They would be willing to part with:) All i need is account creation.

I would recommend easyPSA to you... I just got it recently and it's perfect!! :D

I also purchased easyPSA which works great. Everything is automated. Once payment is approved the client is setup in Plesk. You can setup multiple plans and customize emails that get sent to the client. There is also a great reseller option. Domain registration is provided by enom which easyPSA gave me $100 in my account. Enom charges you $8.49 per domain and you can charge your client whatever. Download the free trial off their site and give it try.

Did you get the $300 version? How many accounts do you support to make that worthwhile?

-WC-

I did pay $300 and since I'm just starting out I only have 13 domains hosted. It will pay for itself soon.

Do you have admin access toPlesk, or can EasyPSa be used by clients?

Originally posted by Bloory
Do you have admin access toPlesk, or can EasyPSa be used by clients?

Both Admin and Clients have access. Clients can check past invoices and place new orders, plus make changes to their contact and billing details. These details are reflected automatically in PSA also.

The one thing I dont like about easypsa is that everything is closed source.

The bad thing about this is the way they have gone about doing it. It doesn't support future releases of php, you cant do your own codehacks to make it more viable for your own needs, and you cannot fix any bugs yourself.

So what happens in 6 months time when php4.2.2 is full of security holes and easypsa isn't a business anymore?

Yes we encrypt our code. Why? We have spent a good deal of time and money coding it, we do not want it ripped off. Every copy of easyPSA comes with 12 months worth of upgrades included.

We have no plans of 'going out of business', however we all know things change in business from year to year. That's why we have a plan in place to release our code as open source if ever the unthinkable were to happen. The response we have had to our product has been overwhelming, we'll be in business for a long time to come and continue to service all our clients.

Our partnership with Plesk has seen us integrate extremely closely with them, and with the release of PSA 5.0 imminent we are looking forward to continued growth into the future.

Sorry, what I meant was, do I have to have admin access to Plesk to be able to use EasyPSA? I'm a reseller using Plesk and the automation would be great. I have a client login to Plesk and provide my customers with domain access.

Bloory,

No, sorry, you need access to the server itself as root to enable easyPSA.

We are looking at ways to acheive what you need, but without the support of your hosting company you could not make use of it.

Another limitation of the software is that it is limited to a single plesk server and bound to a single IP address.

Sure, you say you will change the IP of the software when needed, but what if you take 3 weeks to do so?

It is too risky to use your software. You are not a reputable company, So who knows what other little nasties your code has.

You have the ability to drive a company out of business in order to protect your own interests.

Back in the day, your software was completely integrated with modernbill, so I imagine anyone with modernbill, plesk and the PSA perl scripts will be able to create a completely opensource version of your software.

Modernbill has an opensource version and I have never heard of any trading - so whats the problem?

You are targetting web hosting companies, and it is in OUR best interests not to allow illegal copies of the software for the simple out of pocket expenses.

If we have to pay for something, I can assure you that WE will not be releasing illegal copies. It's ludicrous.

Modernbill are releasing their own automated plesk system, and I will definantly be getting that since I know I can make my own codehacks and changes rather than a closed source solution which I KNOW will give me troubles months down the track

Originally posted by hosticle
Another limitation of the software is that it is limited to a single plesk server and bound to a single IP address.
True, but you can manage 5 servers with each basic license, not 1.
Sure, you say you will change the IP of the software when needed, but what if you take 3 weeks to do so?
Why would we take 3 weeks and risk damage to our own reputation?
It is too risky to use your software. You are not a reputable company, So who knows what other little nasties your code has.
That's a decision you need to make. Obviously as time progresses you will have more people using the product and recommending it to others. If there are issues with our code I am sure the public will not hold back in making it pretty well known in forums like this one. You may not see us as 'reputable', but Plesk have chosen us a Commerce Alliance Partner. They obviously feel comfortable with us.
You have the ability to drive a company out of business in order to protect your own interests.
:eek: - not sure what you mean here.
Back in the day, your software was completely integrated with modernbill, so I imagine anyone with modernbill, plesk and the PSA perl scripts will be able to create a completely opensource version of your software.
True, if they are a decent coder and have time to spare, sure. Most people don't have this sort of time to spare and would rather pay the small price for powerful functionality. We moved away from ModernBill for a reason.
Modernbill has an opensource version and I have never heard of any trading - so whats the problem?
Open Source? Their code is not encrypted, but it is not Open Source.
You are targetting web hosting companies, and it is in OUR best interests not to allow illegal copies of the software for the simple out of pocket expenses.
Why is Zend on the market? Why do Plesk encrypt their own code?
If we have to pay for something, I can assure you that WE will not be releasing illegal copies. It's ludicrous.
I'm sure YOU wouldn't, but we do not wish to expose ourselves to such risk after investing so much. Thanks for your interest in easyPSA.

Originally posted by hosticle
Modernbill are releasing their own automated plesk system, and I will definantly be getting that since I know I can make my own codehacks and changes rather than a closed source solution which I KNOW will give me troubles months down the track

I'm not sure how you can 'KNOW' that something will give you trouble in the future.

hosticle, I wish you the best of luck with ModernBill. It's a fine piece of software and many people like it's functionality. Our product is different to ModernBill and is targeting PSA users specifically. At the end of the day you as the consumer are free to make the choice.

Sorry, with opensource I meant full-source version

It appears to me that modernbill is "trending" towards being encoded as well.

When they first started it was full source now the full source version is quite a bit more than the encoded version.

If you want open source I think there exists an open source billing system out there somewhere, I forget the name of it.

I have been looking at easyPSA and intend on getting it for a Plesk server that I will most likley put on line towards the end of the month.

ModernBill will be a hack to work with Plesk.

easyPSA was made from the ground up to work with Plesk and even has their blessing. Plesk would not recommend something that is going to give their product a bad name. Heck for all that I know easyPSA might be a subsidiary of Plesk, which would make sense to me.

easyPSA looks good. I have not used it so I can speak to that. I will say though that I hate these scripts that people encrypt. The reason is if I'm a programmer and I want to do hacks and mods for my own use then I should have the right to. After all I paid for it. Unless you give me appropriate tools to do so.

I'm not sure where you're company is located but I see these encrypted codes coming mainly for other countries other than the US. Personally I hate rushing into any software with any company. I won't put my business at risk like that. When you build a reputation then we'll talk unless we create some partnership where I know you'll fix all bugs in a hurry and before you do anything else. Probably like you are with Plesk.

I wish you luck but you may want to rethink the encryption.

Originally posted by Weberz
ModernBill will be a hack to work with Plesk.



actually i think their plesk module is done, or soon will be done.

Originally posted by cahostnet
easyPSA looks good. I have not used it so I can speak to that. I will say though that I hate these scripts that people encrypt. The reason is if I'm a programmer and I want to do hacks and mods for my own use then I should have the right to. After all I paid for it. Unless you give me appropriate tools to do so.

I'm not sure where you're company is located but I see these encrypted codes coming mainly for other countries other than the US. Personally I hate rushing into any software with any company. I won't put my business at risk like that. When you build a reputation then we'll talk unless we create some partnership where I know you'll fix all bugs in a hurry and before you do anything else. Probably like you are with Plesk.

I wish you luck but you may want to rethink the encryption.

EVERY software company out there has their code protected (eg. Adobe etc etc etc ). Why should other software companies, who just happen to code for the web, have to be exposed to such a risk?

Why are they any different? We cannot edit Photoshop etc to suit our needs and if we want things done we have to ask the company that programmed it.

We understand that you need customisation, which is why we offer modules, fantastic support and are open to suggestions!

Modules are good for customization. If you offer this like I said then maybe it should be encriypted. I'm not saying don't protect your code but really you can't compare yourself to Adobe either!! :)

My biggest problem is not giving the appropriate access to customize the app for the customer.

Originally posted by cahostnet
Modules are good for customization. If you offer this like I said then maybe it should be encriypted. I'm not saying don't protect your code but really you can't compare yourself to Adobe either!! :)

A fair call - but we aim to be :) [Just more one-to-one with our clients ;) ] But you understand our intentions. We are not out to make things harder for anyone - we are trying to find a happy medium so that all parties are benefiting from our software. Our company policy is to listen, react and grow with our clients - not rip them off and forget about them; it's just not in our nature.

My biggest problem is not giving the appropriate access to customize the app for the customer.

And we will bend over backwards to make it as possible as we can. We have written a powerful internal API that allows quite quick turnaround of custom modules and if a customer was to come to us with a major re-write to customise it for them, then we would look into the possibility (and of course, support it afterwards).

The upshot? We are here to make PSA easy! We of course wish to protect our investment of time, effort and lots of $$ that we have put into it, but we listen to you.. that's why we are very active on all the forums.

I purchased easyPSA on the day it came out and it did have a few bugs like any new software, but the Techs there corrected everything for me within a day. When I found a new bug I emailed them and they had a patch available right away. They even installed it for me. I have no need for the script to be decrypted. I can already add my header and footer to the script and it looks like a part of my site. If you want to take a look at it in action go to the url in my signature.

I love it, no more manual work.

Does the $300 fee include Plesk licenses to host on the server?

Originally posted by cahostnet
Does the $300 fee include Plesk licenses to host on the server?

We wish it could, but as i am sure you are aware PSA itself costs between $199 USD and $799 USD alone!

If you take up our eNom special, however, you effectively get easyPSA for $199 anyway as we give you $100 credit on your enom reseller account that we create for you.

This makes Plesk one of the most expensive CPs out there. With Ensim offering it for about $100 for 100 domains and H-Sphere $4.5 per domain one time and it's reusable, you're getting high with $300 easyPSA and $300-$800 for Plesk. Upfront cost is about $600 to $1100.

Hmmmm

Ensim sucks. There price for their multiple server management software is like thousands of dollars compared to Plesk 5.0. I used Ensim and it's soooo slow. Plesk is awesome. Plesk came with my dedicated server at Rackshack so I didn't have to pay any license fee.

That's what I hear!

Yeah, I had to toss up between Ensim and Plesk, but for some reason my partner and I decided on Ensim... whatever reason it was, it was bad... should've gone with plesk

Ever since then, been regretting that move... but what can we do now that we've got it and paid for it :(

*counts the days for the modernbill/plesk integrated system*

I tell you what easypsa - if the modernbill version is no good, I will buy your product and eat my words.

But I dont know why I would pay $49 for a custom module I could write myself. That is deh suck! :)

I am with Hosticle here. Your support sounds great now, I'll give you that. Locking the IP in direct to the encrypted code really feels too creepy and controlling.

Maybe a middleground would be to do like how PHPManager does it (or how I understand it anyways..). The software is good on one IP, and that IP is registered on their website in an account setup. Then if you ever have to change IPs, you can on the fly.

It would save you time if you had this sort of authentication, no need to ever bother with re-encoding anyone's software. And if the person paid you to install, now are they going to repay you if their host ever changes IPs or if they change hosts. Well, suppose they would need to pay for install again if they were moving hosts anyways, so that's a bad example.

As a side note, you mentioned something about your partnership with Plesk, and if you will allow me to play Devil's advocate for a moment - I believe Plesk used to tote their partnership with Cyberwings.com on their partner's website.

So, being one of their partners isn't all some would crack it up to be. :)

-WC-

link to said partner with Cyberwings.com:

http://www.plesk.com/html/partners/channel/platinum/cyberwing.htm

What's wrong with cyberwings? :confused:

Or did I miss something here?