We've taken the IRC server offline indefinitly.

Sorry about not giving advance notice. But sometimes, something comes up, you find out it takes a lot of work to fix, then you have to consider if it's worth fixin'.

We're not saying that it won't be back. We're just saying that there isn't a very big chance it'll be back.

Is this a joke?

What?

Where was the consultation with the community that pay for this forum?

Surprising. Well, unexpected at the very least.

That's rather interesting. Is it an issue of servers, resources or administration? I'm sure I'm not the only member of the community that would be happy to contribute.

All you have to do is ask....

Best,
Sam

YOU WHAT! Care to go into any detail dennis? Seems very strange that such a strong community will remove an asset such as irc which was frequently used by alot of regular forum users.

PS. your computer clock must be wrong, it is not april 1st.

That's rather interesting. Is it an issue of servers, resources or administration? I'm sure I'm not the only member of the community that would be happy to contribute.

All you have to do is ask....

Best,
Sam

Why bother? There will likely be a new network that the regular users join but if that's going to be the case why bother calling it WHT-IRC, saves having to have the same silly rules.

Rather annoying that nobody was given notice, pathetic.

It did have a rather obnoxiously long network name.
You know how simple it is to setup though, right? Well?
Oh, that's right that would be looked upon as favoritism if you went with a host in your own forums, how ironic. :)

Strange surprise, was never expecting this after how many years?

Ah well =[

dude, not cool.

where is bq going to tell his soviet russia jokes?!

You make Terry sad. :(

EFnet! Same place, same time.

so who has a replacement network/channel for us to join?

irc.mzima.net... or whatever your favorite efnet server is.

Channel: #wht

What?

Where was the consultation with the community that pay for this forum?
I didn't know that #wht was a perk of premium membership :confused: :eek:

I didn't know that #wht was a perk of premium membership :confused: :eek:

I think he meant defacto support through viewing your ads - active involvement in the community directly relates to pageviews which directly relate to revenue.

Some of us also occasionally buy ads as well... which is even more direct :)

Cheers,
Sam

I didn't know that #wht was a perk of premium membership :confused: :eek:

I didn't say it was. I am, as Sam thought, referring to the revenue the members of this forum bring iNet.

Sure there is no obligation to provide the service, but if Hotmail suddenly decided they were pulling their service without notice there would be uproar...

You get my point.

WHTirc is not directly connected to this board. Sure we share the same name and some of the same members but thats it. We dont publically advertise it to all new members.

I think he meant defacto support through viewing your ads - active involvement in the community directly relates to pageviews which directly relate to revenue.

Which related to WHTirc how? :)

Sure there is no obligation to provide the service, but if Hotmail suddenly decided they were pulling their service without notice there would be uproar...
Your comparing apples to oranges here. Hotmail stopping their services would be like us shutting down the board. We aren't closing the board, just IRC...this wont affect most members or the integrity or flow of this board in anyway

WHTirc is not directly connected to this board. Sure we share the same name and some of the same members but thats it. We dont publically advertise it to all new members.



Which related to WHTirc how? :)


Your comparing apples to oranges here. Hotmail stopping their services would be like us shutting down the board. We aren't closing the board, just IRC...this wont affect most members or the integrity or flow of this board in anyway



If I remember correctly, It WAS connected at some point, otherwise why were the mods of this board ops there? Doesn't make sense does it?

WHTirc is not directly connected to this board. Sure we share the same name and some of the same members but thats it. We dont publically advertise it to all new members.


http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=232939 is it just me or does that thread completely contradict your post?

My point was that you shouldn't p*ss off the people who make this board what it is. Without them your forum, and business, would fall apart.

Anyway, this is a pointless debate, because providing I can talk to the people I talked to on IRC previously (which I can) I couldn't care less what iNet want to do.

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=232939 is it just me or does that thread completely contradict your post?
That thread is almost 1400 days old so I think it would be safe to say we dont publically advertise that thread to new members..

I have used the irc channel once, but there should have been a notice before its shutdown.

This is quite sad!!!

It means WHT is slowly headed downhill maybe......

Very upsetting :(

This is quite sad!!!

It means WHT is slowly headed downhill maybe......
#wht was heading downhill and fast.

Maybe if we had some staff participation -nudge-

Maybe if we had some staff participation -nudge-
Some of us need to draw a limit somewhere.

On WHTIRC, we knew each other well enough that we could almost say anything to each other.

The last thing said ( I think was)

F*cking Canadian Spaz


(In reference to the guy that got the $84K mobile bill, note that there were many Canadians on the channel, and it wouldnt have been taken in offence, as everyone knew we were just joking around.)

WHTIRC should stay as it was; a less tense version of the boards, making everyone feel a bit more relaxed.

-Benji
(ub3r: xxx)

With some people running it who have a lot of IRC experience, it could be brought back in a much better form. (No offense intended...but a very outdated UnrealIRCd and a network name the size of ∞ don't make for a great chat network strategy). Plus letting ub3r actually connect probably didn't help things along... :D

I know I never stayed long because it was just plain boring.

where is bq going to tell his soviet russia jokes?!

In Soviet Russia, joke tells YOU!

I'm a bit disappointed that the IRC server was taken offline without notice, however it wouldn't be such a big deal to just use a #wht on one of the larger IRC networks, so it's not the end of the world if we have to migrate to another server.

With some people running it who have a lot of IRC experience, it could be brought back in a much better form. (No offense intended...but a very outdated UnrealIRCd and a network name the size of ∞ don't make for a great chat network strategy). Plus letting ub3r actually connect probably didn't help things along... :D

I know I never stayed long because it was just plain boring.

How is irc.whtirc.com a long name?

How is irc.whtirc.com a long name?

The actual network name was like iNetInteractive-IRC or something.

so do we actually get a reason or are we left to assume it's iNet with their heads up their arses again?

It's an interesting move from a 'social' media company who specializes in vertically-focused 'communities'. One can only assume 'vertically-focused' means 'profit generating' and that iNet doesn't give a crap about some of its most valuable members.

Hotmail stopping their services would be like us shutting down the board. We aren't closing the board, just IRC...this wont affect most members or the integrity or flow of this board in anywayWhy not make the premium member forums go away? One could argue that would affect an even smaller number of WHT members.

The IRC server is iNet's real estate, and it's certainly within their right to handle it as they see fit. The message that is sent by shutting this down without notice, however, is a plain lack of etiquette and respect for your user community. Clearly you're not going to shut down the forum since it's a cash cow, but given these action why should members contribute to the Wiki? Who is to say you won't just shut that down one day? Or decide that you'll start deleting PMs older than x days to save space without telling anyone? You've already set the precedent that you will remove a service that you market without giving anyone notice.

You established the service, you encouraged people to use it (even now the support knowledge base still contains information on how to get to WHT IRC), and then shut it down without any mention of it until after helpdesk tickets were opened.

One of the recurring themes on this forum is that the more experienced hosts try to convey that everything you create has a lifecycle. If you're going to establish a service, barring significant unforeseen circumstances (ie, death) it is your ethical duty to keep your client base advised of major changes to the service. I'd like to personally thank the folks involved in this decision for leading by example on this one. Well played.

This is very disappointing and I imagine many long-time WHT IRC users share a similar view. As someone who has frequented the wht irc networks for over four years, I find it rather discerning that inet management wouldn't have the decency to provide us with advanced warning. As a corporation that prides itself on running community-based properties they have set a terrible example for their members (whether paid or otherwise).

It remains my opinion that this decision reflects poorly on INET and demonstrates that they do not hold themselves to the same standard that is required of us. Although irc was a value added component of wht, management failed to comprehend the detrimental effect this will have on the community atmosphere.

INET has severely underestimated the gravity of this matter and should ensure next time they make a decision (such as this one), they remember their business-model depends on their ability to connect individuals with each other and advertisers.

iNET, where do your loyalties lie?

-Troy

This is a shame - although not a regular, I have frequented the channel from time to time.

Might I suggest #wht on irc.freenode.net/org? It is a very computer / IT oriented network, and a huge one at that - it is where most open source projects call their homes as well as many online communities (and is free of Warez and spam).

It would be something for the admins that be to set it up, however - you normally have to be someone with the authority to use the name of organisation to represent an IRC channel for it on Freenode.

dollar:

If irc.whtirc.com existed then I don't think many people realised it, most people were connecting through irc.webhostingtalk.com - go figure :)

Might I suggest #wht on irc.freenode.net/org? It is a very computer / IT oriented network, and a huge one at that - it is where most open source projects call their homes as well as many online communities (and is free of Warez and spam).

Already established and semi-populated on efnet.

why were the mods of this board ops there? Doesn't make sense does it?
Ops, just like mods, are volunteers from within the community. It makes perfect sense that those that typically volunteer to moderate on the forum would be trusted and willing to voluntarily deal with IRC as well.
On WHTIRC, we knew each other well enough that we could almost say anything to each other.
I wasn't a frequent visitor, but as I see it, that was a big part of the issue and what kept me from visiting more often. The last few things I saw posted there were so reprehensively offensive it was shocking.

irc.mzima.net... or whatever your favorite efnet server is.

Channel: #wht

Already up to 18 users on EFnet #wht... and counting!

The last few things I saw posted there were so reprehensively offensive it was shocking.

riiiiight, so "those that typically volunteer to moderate on the forum would be trusted and willing to voluntarily deal with IRC as well"...

Why did *you* not kick, ban or report the offending people or have another moderator do it? Where were the warnings, notices, bans and kicks if language and offense were the real reason for the IRC closure?

iNet would do itself a lot of favours if they would tell us the real reasons (as *facts*) for the closure and admit that the handling of the situation has been pathetic on their part; both prior to any decision being made and also now after the closure.

riiiiight, so "those that typically volunteer to moderate on the forum would be trusted and willing to voluntarily deal with IRC as well"...

Why did *you* not kick, ban or report the offending people or have another moderator do it? Where were the warnings, notices, bans and kicks if language and offense were the real reason for the IRC closure?

I didn't say that was the reason for it closing. I didn't do it, nor was I involved in it, so I can't claim to know why. As for me not kicking, etc? I am not an op, nor do I care to be. I am also not a frequent user of IRC, so it didn't mean as much to me as it might to someone that enjoys IRC on a regular basis. I just assumed that's what IRC allowed and tried to ignore it. I failed.

Because I found it offensive doesn't mean others would...though other than the OP and others involved, I find it hard to believe anyone wouldn't. But that's just me.

I didn't say that was the reason for it closing. I didn't do it, nor was I involved in it, so I can't claim to know why. As for me not kicking, etc? I am not an op, nor do I care to be. I am also not a frequent user of IRC, so it didn't mean as much to me as it might to someone that enjoys IRC on a regular basis. I just assumed that's what IRC allowed and tried to ignore it. I failed.

Because I found it offensive doesn't mean others would...though other than the OP and others involved, I find it hard to believe anyone wouldn't. But that's just me.

Fair point, wasn't being personal. Just suggesting that if your opinion was similar to that of 'iNet' then it should and still could, be handled much better :eek:

#wht was heading downhill and fast.Thats pretty sad,i hadnt been on in months so i wasnt aware of what was going on.

Thanx for letting me know Jan :)

Thats pretty sad,i hadnt been on in months so i wasnt aware of what was going on.

We all have different definitions of downhill. To throw 50 people in a room together and never have disagreements -- you're living in a dreamworld. On the other hand, I do suppose we all have at the very least a responsibility to remain mature about it, no matter the case.

At any rate, #wht on efnet suffices. I'd prefer it to not be run by iNet anyways. Let's let /ignore moderate it instead.
If iNet cannot provide the service we'll find it elsewhere, some of us don't hang out on the forums all that much any longer but there's still a great community. It just so happens it's on irc. ;)

We all have different definitions of downhill. To throw 50 people in a room together and never have disagreements -- you're living in a dreamworld. On the other hand, I do suppose we all have at the very least a responsibility to remain mature about it, no matter the case.

Can't disagree with that - it's going to happen. Some of the conversations as of recent have been just absolutely reprehensible and completely out of line. IMHO and in my limited experience with the server, things were just completely out of control in that room.

At any rate, #wht on efnet suffices.

Glad to see you've found a sufficient alternative! :agree:

Sirius

Why not make the premium member forums go away? One could argue that would affect an even smaller number of WHT members.

The IRC server is iNet's real estate, and it's certainly within their right to handle it as they see fit. The message that is sent by shutting this down without notice, however, is a plain lack of etiquette and respect for your user community. Clearly you're not going to shut down the forum since it's a cash cow, but given these action why should members contribute to the Wiki? Who is to say you won't just shut that down one day? Or decide that you'll start deleting PMs older than x days to save space without telling anyone? You've already set the precedent that you will remove a service that you market without giving anyone notice.

You established the service, you encouraged people to use it (even now the support knowledge base still contains information on how to get to WHT IRC), and then shut it down without any mention of it until after helpdesk tickets were opened.

One of the recurring themes on this forum is that the more experienced hosts try to convey that everything you create has a lifecycle. If you're going to establish a service, barring significant unforeseen circumstances (ie, death) it is your ethical duty to keep your client base advised of major changes to the service. I'd like to personally thank the folks involved in this decision for leading by example on this one. Well played.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Please delete my account. i no longer have a use for this website now you have removed my left arm.

If you have issues with your account, please submit a helpdesk ticket.

no thanks. i have no time for people that won't listen to the community.

no thanks. i have no time for people that won't listen to the community.
Well whatever you may choose is your decision..simply reminding you where you need to go to discuss your account. :)

Can't disagree with that - it's going to happen. Some of the conversations as of recent have been just absolutely reprehensible and completely out of line. IMHO and in my limited experience with the server, things were just completely out of control in that room.
While it's certainly understandable that there are going to be borderline conversations, or even outright offensive conversations at times in a chat room, I really don't think we (even ME, as an "IRC Operator") are getting the full story. If the community leaders had felt that discussion was out of hand, it would have most definitely been nice if they had mentioned something, so that the community could have toned it down, and I, and my fellow IRC Operators, could have helped moderate it. It would have most definitely been appreciated, at the very least, to be given a chance. Being a member here for over 5 years, a premium member, and someone who has spent thousands of dollars in advertising, I think myself and my fellow IRC users have been greatly disrespected, and I truly wonder if iNet really values its members.

While it is wonderful that many of the IRC Members have joined in a new chat room, I can't help but wonder about the long term stability of it, judging by the past actions taken by iNet, especially when quite frankly, I just want a chat room where I can communicate with fellow IT professionals. The drama is not what I want.

While it's certainly understandable that there are going to be borderline conversations, or even outright offensive conversations at times in a chat room, I really don't think we (even ME, as an "IRC Operator") are getting the full story. If the community leaders had felt that discussion was out of hand, it would have most definitely been nice if they had mentioned something, so that the community could have toned it down, and I, and my fellow IRC Operators, could have helped moderate it. It would have most definitely been appreciated, at the very least, to be given a chance. Being a member here for over 5 years, a premium member, and someone who has spent thousands of dollars in advertising, I think myself and my fellow IRC users have been greatly disrespected, and I truly wonder if iNet really values its members.

I understand where you're coming from... I dont know the full story as to why it was taken offline for the time being. I was simply sharing what I've seen (via logs) over the past few days / weeks.

The few times that I went in to WHTIRC, it was mostly idle with not a lot going on.

While it is wonderful that many of the IRC Members have joined in a new chat room, I can't help but wonder about the long term stability of it, judging by the past actions taken by iNet, especially when quite frankly, I just want a chat room where I can communicate with fellow IT professionals. The drama is not what I want.

iNet and the new chat room are two independant things. I believe the new IRC server was setup by David, Steve and Dan. This wasnt an iNet or WHT venture - this was something they did on their own.

Hopefully in the next few days / weeks / whatever - we'll all have a better idea of the future of IRC within WebHostingTalk.

Sirius

iNet and the new chat room are two independant things. I believe the new IRC server was setup by David, Steve and Dan. This wasnt an iNet or WHT venture - this was something they did on their own.

Hopefully in the next few days / weeks / whatever - we'll all have a better idea of the future of IRC within WebHostingTalk.

Sirius
Some of the late late conversations were a little dark, but we had a pretty good time, and kind of had our own inner circle. Who's to say inet won't end up shutting this whtirc down for their own replacement, the same way they did with the original one?

To say that the conversation was "out of control" sounds like the opinion of an outsider, who never really spent a lot of time on irc. We were our own happy family, and most of the people on the channel could handle the things that were being said. Think about it logically, you guys took down the website, so there was no applet for people to join with, anyone who is smart enough to configure their irc client to connect to the net is probably going to be mature enough to handle the sorts of conversations we were having.

Poor IRC users :(

To say that the conversation was "out of control" sounds like the opinion of an outsider, who never really spent a lot of time on irc. We were our own happy family, and most of the people on the channel could handle the things that were being said. Think about it logically, you guys took down the website, so there was no applet for people to join with, anyone who is smart enough to configure their irc client to connect to the net is probably going to be mature enough to handle the sorts of conversations we were having.

Although I appreciate your opinion on the content, I disagree. I am sure people here could handle most of the things that were said, but that's not the point... it's content that was extremely inappropriate, no matter how one attempts to justify.

I'm not saying that type of thing was the reason the environment was taken offline, just giving the opinion of someone who has access to the logs.

Sirius

I know this is going to look like a tired argument, but what's wrong with having freedom of speech? I know several people who have argued that wht should have it's own section where people can say absolutely anything they want, and we had kind of established that on irc. I don't know of any 13 year olds who know how to configure an irc client, so you can't really argue that it was taken offline to protect children, most people older than that could handle what was being said.

It's not like there was a constant stream of spam coming in, we just had some friendly conversation, and we all had a pretty good time.

Why was it taken offline? If you have a problem with what a few people are saying, why not just kickban them the same way you would on the forums?

I don't know of any 13 year olds who know how to configure an irc clientThat's quite absurd. There are likely tons of 13 year olds that can do this and quite a bit more, maybe you just haven't met them.
It's not like there was a constant stream of spam coming in, we just had some friendly conversation, and we all had a pretty good time.Admittedly I didn't use it much, but it wasn't spam that was the concern I personally had. I saw some logs, and some links to content that quite frankly disgusted me.
Why was it taken offline?
Don't know for certain. I'm sure if the reasons are to be made public, it will be posted by whomever either made the decision, or by whomever is allowed to if that decision is made.

I don't know of any 13 year olds who know how to configure an irc client, so you can't really argue that it was taken offline to protect children, most people older than that could handle what was being said.

To hell with you! I've been on IRC since I was 8.. mIRC or a real client since 9..

I've been on IRC since I was 8.. mIRC or a real client since 9..

Holy Smokes! :stickout: when I was 9 we got our first computer with AOL. Can't say I got anywhere near as "advance" around that age until I was about 14.

I know this is going to look like a tired argument, but what's wrong with having freedom of speech?
Freedom of speech ends where rules are in place. Say what you like in your own home (parents permitting), but this wasn't your home.

That's quite absurd. There are likely tons of 13 year olds that can do this and quite a bit more, maybe you just haven't met them.
Then it's likely that they're mature enough for a dirty word or two.

Admittedly I didn't use it much, but it wasn't spam that was the concern I personally had. I saw some logs, and some links to content that quite frankly disgusted me.
are you talking about that stuff benji was doing yesterday? Yeah, that was over the top.

Freedom of speech ends where rules are in place. Say what you like in your own home (parents permitting), but this wasn't your home.
First, my parents live in michigan. I live in illinois. Second, I was on that net since day one, even before inet made the official whtirc, I was on the network before that, and even the old old #wht we all had on ev1irc. In total, I'm sure I even spent more time on it than you. So, I'm really not sure how you can declare yourself a higher authority, when you barely even interacted with the people on the net.

Where did I claim to be a higher authority? I merely stated that when rules are in place, you don't have freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech ends where rules are in place. Say what you like in your own home (parents permitting), but this wasn't your home.

One would assume that you provided an opinion into the shutting down of the irc?

I'm with ub3r on this one.

To say that the conversation was "out of control" sounds like the opinion of an outsider, who never really spent a lot of time on irc. We were our own happy family, and most of the people on the channel could handle the things that were being said. Think about it logically, you guys took down the website, so there was no applet for people to join with, anyone who is smart enough to configure their irc client to connect to the net is probably going to be mature enough to handle the sorts of conversations we were having.
At the end of the day, it was these 'dark conversations' that WHT and/or iNet didn't want to be affiliated with - and can you blame them?

One thing that should concern iNet now is that a new IRC network has been set up under the name of WHT so that these kinds of conversations that originally caused problems can continue. I am happy there is still WHT IRC, but if WHT had a problem with the previous conduct then the new IRC network should not have affiliated itself with WHT or used 'WHT' in the name.

Nobody said that WHT has to mean WebHostingTalk :). It could be a discussion on WitHoldingTaxes

I think it is pretty obvious what the intentions were.

You're just the party pooper :(

That's quite absurd. There are likely tons of 13 year olds that can do this and quite a bit more, maybe you just haven't met them.
Then it's likely that they're mature enough for a dirty word or two.
It was far more than that, and I think you know this. Besides, that's not your call to say they are mature enough to handle it. They shouldn't have to, and is the whole point of protecting minors on the internet anyway.

Again, I don't know why it was removed (only assumptions), but I also feel that the new channel/domain should not have used a name "confusingly similar" to an iNet property. I'd venture to guess that it might cause problems, but I don't have a hand in that either.

I smell another David thread :P lol

I don't think anyone is actually bothered by the fact it was shutdown, the only thing people are bothered about is an excellent community just being brushed aside because of what is ultimately iNET's poor ability to moderate it.

Sure converations may have got alittle out of hand at times, I don't doubt that and if you actually bothered to look you would notice that most of the time it was from the same users that could easily have been dealt with. Trying to police irc with forum rules just wasn't ever going to work.

IRC is live things do get out of hand from time to time and are easily dealt with. Most of the issues on IRC were caused by the "mods" trying to enforce the silliest of things, but what exactly did ANY of you do for IRC.......

Atleast now it's nice to know were we all stand.

It was far more than that, and I think you know this. Besides, that's not your call to say they are mature enough to handle it. They shouldn't have to, and is the whole point of protecting minors on the internet anyway.

Again, I don't know why it was removed (only assumptions), but I also feel that the new channel/domain should not have used a name "confusingly similar" to an iNet property. I'd venture to guess that it might cause problems, but I don't have a hand in that either.
So, It's not my call to say they are mature enough to handle it, but it is your call to say that they aren't mature enough to handle it?

Our WHT stands for "Where Hosts Talk". I don't think inet owns a copyright or trademark on the acronym, and it's isn't exactly a commercial operation, so there aren't really any grounds for a legal complaint. Besides, you guys took down our only option, the least you can do is let us have our little channel, at least until you decide to relaunch because inet wants to make money on inetirc.com banner ads, at which point you guys will probably all join the room at once in an intimidating fashion like the last time.

So, It's not my call to say they are mature enough to handle it, but it is your call to say that they aren't mature enough to handle it?Child on line protection laws were not my invention, I just happen to agree with them.

@Steven:
Domain Name: WHTIRC.NET
Creation Date: 20-dec-2007

Domain Name: WHTIRC.COM
Creation Date: 08-jan-2004

Not to argue Steven, but the fact that is has a much newer registration date would count against the new owners if it came down to it. It could be argued that the .com was somewhat successful financially (guessing), and that the new owners of the .net were trying to cash in on that by brand confusion.
I don't believe that's true, but the naming does lend itself to make one think it is, and would likely count against the owners.

I hope it doesn't turn litigous. I'd much prefer to see things discussed and worked out in a more friendly way, personally. Too much anger and finger pointing here.

Quite a shame that the plug was pulled in the fashion it was. Maybe WHT should not have strong armed the original IRC room from us some time ago...We ran it quite well, and the biggest issues the "mods" here faced were complaints by Ur3r on why he got a kicked or temp banned. :) You guys should have left it alone, rather than screw it up then drop it like a hot potato when you apparently can no longer handle the heat.

Just my opinion, of course. :)

There's history here that I have no knowledge of, so I'll be bowing out now. I'll leave it to those that were involved then.

There's history here that I have no knowledge of, so I'll be bowing out now. I'll leave it to those that were involved then.

Good idea Bear. And I wish a Merry Christmas to you and yours (if that is not banned speech here?)

I hope it doesn't turn litigous. I'd much prefer to see things discussed and worked out in a more friendly way, personally. Too much anger and finger pointing here.Who's angry?

iNet shut down their IRC service, we established one. That it has a similar name to the old one is coincidental based on the availability of the domain and our desire to create a place Where Hosts Talk on Internet Relay Chat. If iNet had a genuine interest in the property they would have registered multiple TLDs like everyone else does, and they wouldn't have discontinued the service. Talking about legal action is just silly; if it were worth the legal fees, it would have been worth the effort to keep the service running. Now iNet doesn't have to worry about maintaining the service, and people involved with web-hosting can still connect to an IRC service and chat. This is win-win.

I agree totally spaethco.

Everyone should be happy now. Clearly it didn't happen the way most expected it to be but we are all big boys and girls here.

By the way.. why does uber's name keep coming up in this?

Disclaimer: This is a joke. No one get worked up.

That it has a similar name to the old one is coincidental based on the availability of the domain and our desire to create a place Where Hosts Talk on Internet Relay Chat.

Cmon now, serious? :)

I'm not looking at all to start a debate, I just find that to be a bit of a stretch and a bit hard to believe ;) I also have no knowledge about what took it down so quickly nor did I voice my opinion in any way.

Quite a shame that the plug was pulled in the fashion it was. Maybe WHT should not have strong armed the original IRC room from us some time ago...We ran it quite well, and the biggest issues the "mods" here faced were complaints by Ur3r on why he got a kicked or temp banned. :) You guys should have left it alone, rather than screw it up then drop it like a hot potato when you apparently can no longer handle the heat.

Just my opinion, of course. :)
I hadn't been banned from irc in years :) However, IRC did provide me with an excellent platform for getting people to my side in that recent ban.

Cmon now, serious? :)

I'm not looking at all to start a debate, I just find that to be a bit of a stretch and a bit hard to believe ;) I also have no knowledge about what took it down so quickly nor did I voice my opinion in any way.
Really though, who cares? What is done, is done. Lets just live with it. An alternative has been found; iNet/WHT no longer wishes to provide an IRC Chat room. Those users, who are involved in the web hosting community, have setup an alternative IRC room where they can communicate.

Really though, who cares? What is done, is done. Lets just live with it. An alternative has been found; iNet/WHT no longer wishes to provide an IRC Chat room. Those users, who are involved in the web hosting community, have setup an alternative IRC room where they can communicate.

And I'm glad I found it, a very entertaining group. :)

Really though, who cares? What is done, is done. Lets just live with it. An alternative has been found; iNet/WHT no longer wishes to provide an IRC Chat room. Those users, who are involved in the web hosting community, have setup an alternative IRC room where they can communicate.

Cmon now you know I didnt mean anything negative by it. Either way it doesn't matter to me. :) I'm glad you guys found a place where you can continue on your fun. :agree:

I think that what most people are (rightly) complaining about here isn't the fact that it was taken down, as that is fully iNet's right to do, we all know and agree there. What they're complaining about is the unprofessional manner in which this was handled.

Who's to say iNet won't someday just pull the plug on WHT in the same manner? Given the lackluster, pathetically unprofessional manner in which the cord was pulled on whtirc, yes, it is entirely possible. No, I'm not encouraging it, and yeah, it'd probably be rather stupid to do, but still, think about it.

iNet owes it's subscribers, and those that actually drive up the value of their properties (including WHT-IRC) more than "We're closing". They owe their subscribers more than


Sorry about not giving advance notice. But sometimes, something comes up, you find out it takes a lot of work to fix, then you have to consider if it's worth fixin'.


To me , this (honestly) sounds like a non iNet decision, but a moderator decision, something that would have been read more like:


We got tired of moderating all your guys' crap, so we took away your toys. Now, we don't have to


I'm not saying it's right, it's wrong or anything else, but some sort of professionalism is due here, both by the mods, and by the staff @ iNet. The way this was handled was just wrong, and pathetic.

Oh, and the last time I (personally) used whtirc? Probably 3 years ago. I had no need for it, but that doesn't mean that it wasn't a valued part of WHT/iNet

Another thing, a lot of the things that are being said in the social issues forum are way worse than the things that were being said on IRC. On IRC, when we said something dirty, it was in a joking manner. In social issues, most of those people are serious, and there's probably a much higher concentration of crazy in that forum, than there ever was on irc.

In social issues, most of those people are serious, and there's probably a much higher concentration of crazy in that forum, than there ever was on irc.
If you want to believe that.......

If you want to believe that.......

Likewise to you :)

In social issues, most of those people are serious, and there's probably a much higher concentration of crazy in that forum, than there ever was on irc.

People are crazy if they are.......................

A discussion forum can't make them crazy.

People are crazy if they are.......................

A discussion forum can't make them crazy.

Wrong translation, try again.

so do we actually get a reason ...Not exactly.

Because there really isn't one.

The email conversation between inet staff went something like this. Someone starts with, "Do we really need an IRC server?" Someone replies with, "No." Someone else replies with, "Okay. It's gone!"

I wouldn't call it a decision. It was poor communication and, frankly, a mistake.

I started this thread when I got the "it's gone" message after being involved in the rest of the "conversation". And I posted the information I had in front of me at the time.

Did we take the server down in haste? Absolutely! Should we have discussed it with the community before taking action? Absolutely! Did we do it with malice? No way.

We can't turn back the clock. We can only move forward. And it looks like that's happened with those who regularly visited the server finding an alternative.

That's not to say (as stated when I opened this thread) that an official WHTirc won't return. But I'm pretty sure it won't return this week. And if it returns, it will take a firm commitment from iNET and the WHT community to maintain an IRC channel that should be associated with Web Hosting Talk.

I think Jamie summed it up quite well.At the end of the day, it was these 'dark conversations' that WHT and/or iNet didn't want to be affiliated with - and can you blame them?Still, I wouldn't fault the users for the state of the channel. It all falls back on management.

Who's angry?

iNet shut down their IRC service, we established one. .... This is win-win.I think it's great that you guys worked out an alternative. And, if I can ever get my client configured, I'll check in as I often did. (Well, in a less official capacity of course) :D
Really though, who cares? What is done, is done. Lets just live with it. An alternative has been found; iNet/WHT no longer wishes to provide an IRC Chat room. Those users, who are involved in the web hosting community, have setup an alternative IRC room where they can communicate.Again. That's great! :)

When presented with a problem, find a solution.



I can only apologize for the way this was handled. I can't go back and fix it. On behalf of iNET and WHT, please accept my sincere apologies for the abrupt manner in which WHTirc was taken off line.

Thank you for the update SWR. I'm glad to hear there was no intended malice, miscommunication happens -- just try to keep us in the loop :)

A number of us have been involved for many years in the forum & on other properties iNet maintains. The majority of us just appreciate being kept 'in the know' when it comes to major changes that are going to effect our experience here.

In this case, it was simply all too sudden to have the rug swept out from under us. We've made due though!

Have a wonderful holiday everyone :)

hmm...

I've never seen the fascination with irc and didn't even know about the #wht, so won't lose any sleep there :)

owm

hmm...

I've never seen the fascination with irc and didn't even know about the #wht, so won't lose any sleep there :)

owm

cool thanks for letting us know

New chan/network is a ghost town. Where did everyone scatter to?