I've been debating between both NeoPanel and HostGui for quite a while now . . .

Anyone have any comments on either of them?

Only problem with both of them is that they both are NOT done yet . . . And they both seem to be pushing the release date further and further back.

Is there anyone here with HostGui or NeoPanel? Anyone know when their release date might be? I'm willing to fork out some money for something like this, but whoever releases first I guess gets my business!

I don't mind the themes for either, they are both great in my mind.

The fact that HostGui comes Apache::ASP is a plus, but being that NeoPanel has some pre-installed scripts, such as shopping carts is also a plus for me. What sort of shopping carts does NeoPanel use? Does HostGui have any plans to integrate chat room scripts or shopping carts?

Are there any beta testing programs for either? I'd like to test them out so when either one finally does release it's first version I'd be ready to know which one to purchase.

Thanks.

Do a search on here using the search button up top there.

As for Neo panel I would think real hard about giving my money to a 15 year old that has a history of ripping people off.

Woah, is that true? Hrmph.

That just made up my mind...

HostGui it is. =)

That's exactly what I was looking for, a remark or statement to make me lean one way or the other.

Hostgui all the way =)

It's going to be completed, and it's going to be done well =)

Originally posted by ClineCOM
they both seem to be pushing the release date further and further back

And I thought I was being a pest asking for updates every few weeks...18 months ago! These things take time... :)

Gary

Originally posted by Samuel
Hostgui all the way =)

It's going to be completed ...

It's going to be completed??? But, WHEN?

Dont even start debateing them. Wait for them to come out, how knows, they could both be worse then cpanel.

Well, these are the only two that I can see being comparable to CPanel. Are there others that are comparable? There are a lot of nice ones, that work great, but just aren't so fancy in the GUI sense. Of course, when you have customers that are basic and looking for a fancy GUI that is all you really want to purchase.

Are there HostGUI people on these boards? I'd surely love it if they could give us some beta testing or let us look around a bit further than a simple screen shot.

Consider HSphere. It's great.

www.psoft.net

I've thought about it . . . That and even something very simple such as Webmin, but they're missing the fancy GUI with the little bubbly icons that will help my clients.

Don't we all enjoy the play-school look? I know my clients do.

Apache::ASP is pretty useless imo

H Sphere is better that Host GUI or NEO Panel since its AVAILABLE TO BE PURCHASED!!! not to mention a fantastic control panel.

Originally posted by ClineCOM
...but they're missing the fancy GUI with the little bubbly icons that will help my clients.
Who, HSphere? They have a bubbly icon skin, plus the regular text one that I prefer over the other two. The default one they have is indeed ugly, but the other two are quite pleasing.

They need more skins, IMO, but it's a damn good CP.

Why debate products that aren't yet available......???????????????

There are more skins for H-Sphere???

Can someone who is using it setup a demo user account for me to view?

I am not needing a nice GUI for the administration part of H-Sphere, just looking for one for the user side.

It looks like there is an administration, reseller, and user control panel, is that right?

What I seen on H-Sphere's demo on their website seemed to just be text sort of, no fancy bubbly icon view GUI.

Thanks.

you can look at our demo at http://eishost.com/support/control_panel_demo.html and you can go to the look and feel section to switch between the different skins and button choices.

There is also MCHost's VirtualCP which is probably the largest competitor (for release) to HostGUI.

I dont think virtualcp will ever amount to anything - they have one page and a promise. nothing else....

They have taken the forum down I believe until beta and it's around 80% done.

Thank you Eishost for letting me test that out . . .


What was the mcHost control panel domain again? I know it was posted in their boards somewhere a while back, just trying to find it again.

Does Marc and his staff have any planned release date for their control panel software or are they doing any beta testing right now?

Doesn't Marc and his staff use CPanel/WHM? I always thought they did...

Originally posted by rochen
There is also MCHost's VirtualCP which is probably the largest competitor (for release) to HostGUI.

Shadow Boxing...? ;)

What are some other popular control panels?

Money isn't an issue for me, I know a lot of people post here talking about money and how they want a free one.

I'm just looking for a control panel that has a nice GUI and works great. I would buy HostGui now, but it has yet to be released. Perhaps even neopanel, but it, too, has yet to be released.

I don't quite like H-Sphere, webmin is too basic, and SimpleCP doesn't seem to have the bubbly graphical icon look.

I love CPanel and WHM although I don't like the monthly structure and that's what I'm trying to get away from. Although we did just notice their new $1400 one time scheme.

You reject simplecp because of a lack of bubliness? :(

What's not to like about HSphere?

Originally posted by ClineCOM
I've been debating between both NeoPanel and HostGui for quite a while now . . .

Anyone have any comments on either of them?

Only problem with both of them is that they both are NOT done yet . . . And they both seem to be pushing the release date further and further back.

Is there anyone here with HostGui or NeoPanel? Anyone know when their release date might be? I'm willing to fork out some money for something like this, but whoever releases first I guess gets my business!

I don't mind the themes for either, they are both great in my mind.

The fact that HostGui comes Apache::ASP is a plus, but being that NeoPanel has some pre-installed scripts, such as shopping carts is also a plus for me. What sort of shopping carts does NeoPanel use? Does HostGui have any plans to integrate chat room scripts or shopping carts?

Are there any beta testing programs for either? I'd like to test them out so when either one finally does release it's first version I'd be ready to know which one to purchase.

Thanks.

Hostgui always has had shopping carts and chat scripts included in the client GUI. The gui is also skinable and open for you to add more features if your up for the programming or you can make your recommendations for extras in our forums. Of course any suggestions made at this point are not going to make the initial release, we already have locked down what will make the initial release.

We just posted some exciting news to those that have access to the client section of our site. Im afraid we won't be posting those same types of details in public until after its release to keep down on negative posters bashing things becuase they don't have access to view more details yet.

We have never set a release date and won't do so until on or just before the actual date we want to release it. All I can say at this point is it will be released this year and we will have some interesting marketing and specials to help build momentum while we break into the control panel market.

If you don't see as much info online as you like hopefully some of you know why now after reading this post. I don't like to add fuel to these threads so if you do want more info please contact me.

Regards,
Greg

One last thing....please ignore any spelling or grammatical errors, Im tired! ;)

Originally posted by MaB
I dont think virtualcp will ever amount to anything - they have one page and a promise. nothing else....
So is hostgui... just a promise. Can't see the difference! Can you? Well, maybe there's 1 difference. Hostgui has got multi-page promises instead of one page... rofl

Originally posted by rochen
They have taken the forum down I believe until beta and it's around 80% done.

You're blowing smoke and repeating what you've been told.

You know nothing about it's actual status, nor completion date.

For all we know bobcares is creating "Their" panel.

People you can actually converse with are on this forum and Hostgui is in fast development.

I've actually heard this directly from one of the main developers and have been shown [nothing substantial by any means] but enough to know it's getting there in a big way.

Rochen, your comment is absolute nonsense hahaha (The last sentence is out of context of this actual post, and refers to a comment made by Chris (Rochen, mchost reseller) about one of my posts being "Absolute nonsense)

Why does everyone argue about these control panel projects so much? It's really silly IMHO. Especially when you take it to the level of personal insults.

Originally posted by MaB
I dont think virtualcp will ever amount to anything - they have one page and a promise. nothing else....

Originally posted by MaB
You reject simplecp because of a lack of bubliness? :(

What? You say bad things about a competitor but you don't like hearing bad things from others about your product? ;)

ClineCOM: Its hard to debate about control panels that are not released yet, because you don't know their stability or features. I suggest you test each product for at least 2 months when they come out before putting them on a live server :)

I only said something about virtualcp because its just one webpage, no links work no updates anything. i never said anythign about hostgui or neopanel - i've defended them in other threads :)

It's just plain silly to debate non-existent products. Car manufacturers never talk about their new models until they are able to produce a real prototype. Journalists then give their verdicts and potential buyers can go to a car show and feel and touch the product.

With these bubble-gum control panels all we seem to get is empty promises and marketing gimmicks such as screenshots of a razzle-dazzle page. Some of you guys must be on heavy dope to debate something on the basis of a screenshot.

Both are passed screenshots =), ive definitely seem more than screenshots hahahah

Originally posted by mistral1
It's just plain silly to debate non-existent products. Car manufacturers never talk about their new models until they are able to produce a real prototype. Journalists then give their verdicts and potential buyers can go to a car show and feel and touch the product.

With these bubble-gum control panels all we seem to get is empty promises and marketing gimmicks such as screenshots of a razzle-dazzle page. Some of you guys must be on heavy dope to debate something on the basis of a screenshot.


LOL:bawling: That says it all!!!

I've waited too long to see these come out . . .

I've moved on to real control panels out there that actually work!

One I really like is the one that Sphera offers.

http://www.sphera.com/

You can't just look at their demos on their site, it doesn't show you everything . . . Take a look at their DataSheet for their control panel.

http://www.sphera.com/downloads/HostingDirector_3_5_for_Linux_Solaris_Data_Sheet.pdf

You'll notice they offer ChiliSoftASP, ColdFusion, and many other fantastic pre-installed software...

Originally posted by ClineCOM

I've waited too long to see these come out . . .

I've moved on to real control panels out there that actually work!

One I really like is the one that Sphera offers.
That seems the way to go. We need to leave behind the smart-talking guys who promises the world and never delivers and go for a solution that is already on the market and is under constant development. Sphera, Ensim, Cpanel, Plesk, whatever. Each one of these may have missing parts and cracks, but they are real, they've been around and they're not based on a glittering, imaginary screenshot.

That seems the way to go. We need to leave behind the smart-talking guys who promises the world and never delivers and go for a solution that is already on the market and is under constant development

Totally agree. Take Hostgui for example, what a joke, although not for the god knows how many people who were eager for release back nearly A YEAR AGO.

Must have been fun to put up a site, promise the best thing since sliced bread then sit back for a year and fail to even bring out ONE release. Other companies have meanwhile brought out 3 or 4 subsequent releases in the time HOSTGUI have been sitting on their arses.

I just thank my lucky stars that we aren't one of the poor clients who pre-ordered. I feel for them.

As for those who are going to come here and stick up for them, please don't waste your breath. Instead pm me and i will send you a url of the best control panel going, only thing is its not quite ready. But if you could maybe take a vacation, and a gap year, followed by raising a family and then bring up your grandkids it should be ready by then.

It sounds as though you've been hurt by this, please seek help soon, the hairy banana should not go unsheathed.

I am now offering a new control panel. This works equally well for any platform, including Windows. The name is dreampanel....slogan is "The Control Panel of Your Dreams." Please send your pre-release payment so you can get your place in line. For the first 1,000,000 who send payments of only $10,000 you will receive 10 year licenses. The way the panel is being sold is in number of year licenses, i.e, one panel for 10 years = 10 year licenses or 10 panels for one year = 10 year licenses. Our regular price will be $20,000 per 10 pack. We will invest your payment for our benefit and apply it to your purchase when and if we ever release the panel. There are no promises, no guarantees, and no refunds. We appreciate all your business. Thank you.

Also, we will offer distributor licenses for a minimum of 100 year licences.

Dream of all the best features of HSphere, CPanel, Ensim, and Plesk and that is our panel.

You can dream....as can we.

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I couldn't agree more. Vapor and hot air for both .:D

Originally posted by NewMerchant

I couldn't agree more. Vapor and hot air for both .:D
I couldn't agree even more. :D A quick look at what the hostgui president Greg (a.k.a. Jag) says on this thread looks particularly hot air:
Hostgui always has had shopping carts and chat scripts included in the client GUI. The gui is also skinable and open for you to add more features if your up for the programming or you can make your recommendations for extras in our forums.

What is really laughable is the way he talks about a non-existent product as if it already exists and has already existed for some time. He must be thinking everyone on this earth is gullible and open to manipulation with some smooth-talking.

Amazing!

Originally posted by mistral1

I couldn't agree even more. :D A quick look at what the hostgui president Greg (a.k.a. Jag) says on this thread looks particularly hot air:

What is really laughable is the way he talks about a non-existent product as if it already exists and has already existed for some time. He must be thinking everyone on this earth is gullible and open to manipulation with some smooth-talking.

Amazing!

Look here mistral1, a brief search of your history shows you like to attack me and hostgui. If you have a problem with me or anything Im involved with why don't you contact me and I will be happy to give you my number and talk to you.

admin@jaguarpc.net
AIM: JaguarPC
ICQ: 205546

Im not going to indulge in childish debates like this on WHT. If you don't have the guts to contact me and talk on the phone then how about you give it a rest already.

Originally posted by ClineCOM
One I really like is the one that Sphera offers.


I couldn't find a price when I went to their site.

Jag, you haven't obviously read the mounting criticism all over WHT about your non-existent product - or are you ignoring it because it's more convenient? If you have the guts, go and respond them. Don't try the "Oh, I'm offended by you, please don't hurt me no more' gibberish.

Programmers, web hosts, resellers, an increasing number of WHT members have started to judge unfavorably the way you've been handling this grandiose, and let's face it so far imaginary, project of yours. You only need to look at this thread and you'll quickly realize that people are not as gullible as you may think. They've given you the benefit of the doubt in the past but now they can see your game's up.

And we're not targetting you in particular, we're talking about any control panel that's promised the earth but never been released.

So stop your childish cry and start listening to what people have to say! I, for one, will wait until January 1st, 2003. Because that's what you said on this thread for everyone to see:

"All I can say at this point is it will be released this year and we will have some interesting marketing and specials to help build momentum while we break into the control panel market."
That's another 4 months to play with your toy and come up with the goods. You can't say that ain't a generous olive branch extended to you. Here's your challenge to put us, the "negative posters" (the term you use for anyone that speaks out even slightly about your negative actions), to full shame and to prove us utterly wrong.

Good luck!

Originally posted by mistral1
Jag, you haven't obviously read the mounting criticism all over WHT about your non-existent product - or are you ignoring it because it's more convenient? If you have the guts, go and respond them. Don't try the "Oh, I'm offended by you, please don't hurt me no more' gibberish.

Programmers, web hosts, resellers, an increasing number of WHT members have started to judge unfavorably the way you've been handling this grandiose, and let's face it so far imaginary, project of yours. You only need to look at this thread and you'll quickly realize that people are not as gullible as you may think. They've given you the benefit of the doubt in the past but now they can see your game's up.

Offended, well when you mention my name specifically and attack me then yes it becomes personal.

Ignoring what? There is nothing to discuss and if you open your eyes and read at all you would have seen my posts in hostgui forums and here. If you need a control panel right now then go buy one. Our is in development and not for sale yet. You are the only one that really seems to have suffered some trauma because we haven't released our product.

Oh do you hear that Jason, Matt, Suchandra, and Ron, all that work you are doing is only in your mind....its imaginary.


And we're not targetting you in particular, we're talking about any control panel that's promised the earth but never been released.

So stop your childish cry and start listening to what people have to say! I, for one, will wait until January 1st, 2003. Because that's what you said on this thread for everyone to see:


That's another 4 months to play with your toy and come up with the goods. You can't say that ain't a generous olive branch extended to you. Here's your challenge to put us, the "negative posters" (the term you use for anyone that speaks out even slightly about your negative actions), to full shame and to prove us utterly wrong.

Good luck!

You seem to be very deeply affected by me and our project. I suggest you seek counseling!

Tell you what mistral1, my offer stands! If you have the nuts then contact me so we can talk about this on the phone, or if you are near Houston, we can meet in person.

> You seem to be very deeply affected by me and our project. I suggest you seek counseling!

I don't have the slightest care for hostgui, which has so far proved to be a totally illusory idea based on razmataz and to quite a degree a blatant deception. There are numerous posts in WHT and on this thread that logically arrive at the same conclusion.
> Offended, well when you mention my name specifically and attack me then yes it becomes personal.

I only quoted a portion of your post and what I thought about it. I didn't attack you. I suspect you are again trying to trick and influence the mods to have this thread closed.

So we'll speak to you on January 1st, your promised day of redemption. One more time we'll take what you said about the release date at its face value and give you yet another, final chance to prove to us that you are true to your word.

Originally posted by mistral1
I don't have the slightest care for hostgui,


Then why are you posting stuff in this thread?

Originally posted by mistral1
So we'll speak to you on January 1st, your promised day of redemption. [/B]

Why? You don't care..?

Get a life and move on.

Jason is a php god!

> Get a life and move on.

The master must have gone for his dinner and replaced by his mouth-piece.

If you find what people write too disturbing then nobody's forcing you to read it.

Geeze, how wude!< hehhe gonna watch that today, screw it.

Jason is no puppet..., Jason can definitely hold his own.

Jag can also, and I hold respect for both of them, differently.

Originally posted by Samuel
Jason is a php god!

hehe thanks sam.

Samuel, nobody used the word puppet.

If Jag ever loses site of your ability, I hope the day comes when I can hire you full time, and just make stuff for me hahahah.

I've hired jason a few times for projects, and he knows his beans.

Hostgui will become a working reality, I have faith.

I used the word puppet, I can do that you know.

From your comments I extrapolated that you were likening his posts here as being a puppet, and I asure you he isn't =)

He has way too much going on to hover over any thread, or take an extended amount of time to rebuke your comments (I am not arguing with you mistral) your comments are held with equal respect, just wanted a developer of hostgui to not take your comments personally by actually commenting on what I believe his professional and technical ability is up to snuff.

It's quite interesting. On one hand you have those that consistantly flame JaguarPC for not having their promised product out yet, but on the other most have said it looks interesting.

While I agree that maybe it's not always the best policy to put a non working product on the web, and then go around bragging about what it's going to do, I also see some marketing skills pop through that will allow the software to do quite well in the sales catagory if it does become a reality and works well as the site says it will.

I'm not so quick to truly condemn these actions even though I use the term airware/bloatware, etc.... pretty freely myself. Most Web work is hard. It is, it's hard work. But no matter the outcome of Jag companies software, whether it becomes reality or not, I find that the intentions are sure good and wish them the best. Most understand what the work entails that the product will perform. So it would really be pretty hard to truly have a bad feeling about someone trying something like this. Not that they should really care what people say at this point. You can care a bit more when the product is out and support is expected. Until they purchased my product, I would really take the sarcassam with a grain of salt. Most have just jumped on the airware bandwagon for the thrill I would suppose. But as soon as the product becomes a reality, the term airware will immmediately subside. No worries.

What I'm saying is that yes, while I agree that placing a product on the web that isn't currently available, (better known as airware) may not be the best, the marketing behind this strategy has made millionaires. Another example of this marketing strategy is Lindows. They basically put up a non working idea, and some still call it many names. The overall marketing Idea here is to make money. If Jaguar company gets the software up, they are most definitley make some fine cash. The company when it gets right down to it, owes no explainations of why it's not here. They owe no promises of when it will be here. They owe nothing. Only suggestion I have would be not to brag quite so loud until the product is at least in the alpha test stage. Then brag and hand it out to your testers. Nothing wrong with being a bit proud about your hard work. But I have to admit, your software does look nice at least in theory and the pics they have up.

There are many sites and businesses go up....not make it to finish..... ,and then fold. Let's hope they are not one of them. If they are, it won't be the first I assure you.

I don't know that I necessarily agree with this marketing strategy. I'm not sure I would want to put up with the harrassment. But when the paychecks started coming in, I may just well change my mind too. ;)

Originally posted by NewMerchant

Only suggestion I have would be not to brag quite so loud until the product is at least in the alpha test stage. Then brag and hand it out to your testers.
Well, that seems sensible.

The question is whether it's ethical to start selling to people a non-existent product that has no demo, no apparently finished part or even a ready component, let alone an alpha version.

Would you take money in from people just on the basis of a promise?

Let's face it, there are plenty of web hosters frustrated with their current control panel who would jump on a new product with promises to give them more features, more stability, better skins, and even account converter scripts from other control panels. That's exactly what hostgui promised - a rose garden.

Originally posted by mistral1

Well, that seems sensible.

The question is whether it's ethical to start selling to people a non-existent product that has no demo, no apparently finished part or even a ready component, let alone an alpha version.

And you know for a fact we had/have no finished part or compenent how exactly? Be skeptical, its natural and its expected....geez I would be too until I play with a product. But I guess since I actually do get to play with our demos and test Im not skeptical.

[N]
Would you take money in from people just on the basis of a promise?

Let's face it, there are plenty of web hosters frustrated with their current control panel who would jump on a new product with promises to give them more features, more stability, better skins, and even account converter scripts from other control panels. That's exactly what hostgui promised - a rose garden. [/B]

Again there is more to it than a promise but this is the point you don't get I guess...oh well. Any and every preorder client can cancel at any time if they want. Heck, we didn't even require anyone to pay to preorder, its just a submission saying you would want a license when its done. Those that did pay are free to drop at any moment, I have not had one single complaint or problem from any client that preordered.

Btw, when is the last time you heard anyone one from hostgui promoting it in any way? Earlier this year perhaps but not once since then. We aren't promoting a thing, we aren't bending anyones arm, and we are realistic about this. I know just as well as you do that people are going to be skeptical, that fine and Im not debating that. What I have a problem with is when you post a blatant lie about us having a product at all or even working on a product.

Again, if you or anyone else wants to call me to discuss it Im all ears. If not thats cool, lets press on and get on with life.

Jag, can I call?

I have a joke, what's a cow with no legs called.


btw, you normally buy a new house before it's built, order a car from the factory before it's built.

Originally posted by Samuel

I have a joke, what's a cow with no legs called.


I don't know! what?

Ground beef

:stickout

yea I know, 10 year old niece joke.... but I love the little girl, she laughs like me, a honking shriek that only the likes of gods and dieties would recognize, a consuming frequency that nauseates and pleezes, it truly is a wicked laugh, muuuahahahha

Originally posted by Samuel

btw, you normally buy a new house before it's built, order a car from the factory before it's built.
You get to see the land before the house is built, you get to see a prototype before the car is out. So you can see, touch and feel something tangible before you sign up on the dotted line.

Originally posted by Jag

Btw, when is the last time you heard anyone one from hostgui promoting it in any way? Earlier this year perhaps but not once since then. We aren't promoting a thing
Well, that's exactly the point. This is what makes me think that the project is a dead duck. It's just that you won't admit it. And who would want to admit defeat after so many promises? So what you do is scale things down, become quiet about it and hope that it'll all be forgotten. It's a logical strategy.

But... you did manage to give a fright to Cpanel for a few months at the beginning of this year! The developer of Cpanel made hectic efforts to catch up with some of your promised features. When you stopped the development of hostgui, he stopped creating more features.

You've seen the land, and walked through the Model, that's the demo.

Welcome to the "Analogy Game", truly, and jason can speak for me, you are definitely after my own heart.

I have faith even more after yesterday =)

Originally posted by mistral1

You get to see the land before the house is built, you get to see a prototype before the car is out. So you can see, touch and feel something tangible before you sign up on the dotted line.


Well, that's exactly the point. This is what makes me think that the project is a dead duck. It's just that you won't admit it. And who would want to admit defeat after so many promises? So what you do is scale things down, become quiet about it and hope that it'll all be forgotten. It's a logical strategy.

But... you did manage to give a fright to Cpanel for a few months at the beginning of this year! The developer of Cpanel made hectic efforts to catch up with some of your promised features. When you stopped the development of hostgui, he stopped creating more features.

And this is just my point, you are stating things that are blatant lies. If you want to think its dead then fine that is your choice. But the fact remains its not dead, its further now than it has ever been, and it lives on.

As for your second paragraph, yes it did prompt actions by compeititors or so it would seem. And Im not sure how many times you have to hear it to comprehend this but :

WE DID NOT STOP DEVELOPMENT OF HOSTGUI !!!!

Whats up with mistral1 and jag. They, um seem to not like each other very much. C'mmon kids, stop fighting:bawling:

Originally posted by Jburnley
Whats up with mistral1 and jag. They, um seem to not like each other very much. C'mmon kids, stop fighting:bawling:

And that helped to throw yet a little bit of insult into the thread eh? Get lost.

Originally posted by mistral1

Well, that seems sensible.

The question is whether it's ethical to start selling to people a non-existent product that has no demo, no apparently finished part or even a ready component, let alone an alpha version.

Would you take money in from people just on the basis of a promise?

Let's face it, there are plenty of web hosters frustrated with their current control panel who would jump on a new product with promises to give them more features, more stability, better skins, and even account converter scripts from other control panels. That's exactly what hostgui promised - a rose garden.

Quite frankly I think the issue you have here in all reality is that you are personally dissatisfied with your current solution, and are waiting for jaguar panal to come out. I can see right through the mumbo jumbo. You have no issues at all. You are creating issues.

My suggestion to you if you unhappy with your current solution, find another. That or wait silently for Jags software to come around.

As far as taking money for something that is not at Alpha yet, well... probably not. I would most likely wait until the program was in Beta stages before doing somthing like this. But if there are no complaints about the way they are handling their business, who are we to say? If they have issues with the way they are handling taking preorder, or whatever they are doing, then those paying the money are those that should complain. Not someone with no investment into the technology. To not have an investment into a product and to consistantly demean anothers work, is not only wrong, it's childish. Either invest in the product for what they are offering, or find a solution that will satisfy the need. That is how I would handle a business decission. While I agree that the topic is a bit rediculous asking this or that when neither are an option, I came in here to see how the efforts were going. I pretty much figured the program authors would write here.

Are both programs vaporware? Well sure they are. And I have a post a couple pages back where I used the term. But the difference is that I know that ideas and vapor in reality, are how great things come into existance. All good business models start off as vapor. How do you think they become a reality? All starts with the decision to take the first step. From an idea, from a vapor.

Heck none of us will most likely see a hundred years old. We are all vaporware. "Think Bigger". No panel will cure all the woes. And any business trying to fight for their ideas by bickering back and forth about what is in current progress, and that are not yet a reality, need to look at how they are portraying their up and coming business model. You don't win a war this way. Serious businesses may not even care to purchase your product after reading some of the statements being made by the authors.

If a thread and flames came to me for a product of mine on here like what I am seeing throughout WHT concerning the this. I would have one simple and professional statement that I would offer to the public. " I'm sorry, We are doing the best we can at the moment." And that is only if they purchased a valid product that was offered. Anything else (no product available yet, or not a valid client) wouldn't even get a statement.

That would be it.

Originally posted by Jag

WE DID NOT STOP DEVELOPMENT OF HOSTGUI !!!!
Well, we'll believe it when we see it. According to you, anyone who has lost faith in your idea and talks against the artificial hype you've created is a blatant liar. If this is the case, the hostgui forum and this forum are full of liars. I don't think so!

> ... yes it did prompt actions by competitors or so it would seem.

It prompted counter actions only from Cpanel, the CP you initially targeted to kill off yet you still use for your hosting company. Your idea was simple in theory: take what Cpanel does and bolt on billing, instant account activation, customer support and server clustering to it (features that have been promised to be implemented by Cpanel for the past 1 and a half years but never materialized - these days you can purchase most of those added functions from a third party for a few dollars), call it a catchy name and sell it at a one-off price that's equal to 5 Cpanel monthly license fees. Add to this your promise to convert all the Cpanel servers on this earth to hostgui managed servers in one stroke of magic. The hostgui forum is full of posts from people (including your own) bashing Cpanel. Now how were you expecting the Cpanel developer react to your plan? Cross his arms and wait for you to steal all his customers in one swoop?

> But the fact remains it's not dead, it's further now than it has ever been, and it lives on.

Again, it depends by how much further and what was its previous state to start with? Your statements are always positive but not very precise. What are you afraid of? Giving away percentages on the progress can't be as dangerous as giving away your plans in screenshots!

Meantime, we'll stop badgering you for another 4 months so you and your programmers (that is, if there are any assigned specifically to the project - not just jaguarpc techs) can have some peace and get the product out. That's not a bad compromise, is it?

Or you could simply say something like: "Sorry folks, I blew it. I have sold out on my idea and accept defeat and full responsibility for the failure of this project. Forget about hostgui, it was a nice dream."

Originally posted by Samuel


And that helped to throw yet a little bit of insult into the thread eh? Get lost.


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Originally posted by Jburnley



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I think he meant it would spark more nonsense from mistral1, and it did. :rolleyes:

I like how newmerchant put it, it can be a fantastic sales peice and easy to market if the panel does truely come out. I hope JAG knows that we aren't putting the panel down, at least I am surely impressed with all that it says it can do, the look and feel that it has.

I just can't wait to see it. The only one thing that pisses me off would be the fact that there posts with dates set for it's release and then it is never released on those dates. I hate it when people set dates for when their websites or software will come, yet you come back months later and still see an "under construction" page.

I just can't hold off to much longer, I am an anxious person, when you build up the steam, I just have to let it out if I can't have the product! But, I do love what HostGUI has to offer and from what everyone has been saying, NeoPanel won't be released from the youngster who started the project. Perhaps if Jag keeps us a little more up to date rather than updates months apart we would be a little more satisfied. Perhaps weekly updates through the website will help us out, and if there has been no work on the project letting us know will be satisfying.

Originally posted by ClineCOM
I like how newmerchant put it, it can be a fantastic sales peice and easy to market if the panel does truely come out. I hope JAG knows that we aren't putting the panel down, at least I am surely impressed with all that it says it can do, the look and feel that it has.

I just can't wait to see it. The only one thing that pisses me off would be the fact that there posts with dates set for it's release and then it is never released on those dates. I hate it when people set dates for when their websites or software will come, yet you come back months later and still see an "under construction" page.

I just can't hold off to much longer, I am an anxious person, when you build up the steam, I just have to let it out if I can't have the product! But, I do love what HostGUI has to offer and from what everyone has been saying, NeoPanel won't be released from the youngster who started the project. Perhaps if Jag keeps us a little more up to date rather than updates months apart we would be a little more satisfied. Perhaps weekly updates through the website will help us out, and if there has been no work on the project letting us know will be satisfying.

We do have more frequent updates but leave them in the client section only since, as some have pointed out, we have an obligation to them. We feel at this time this is the best course of action. Once its available for sale updates will of course be more publicly discussed and announced, but dont count on wht as being the source for that. You should always look at the official hostgui site and forums for that info.

Jag,

Just make sure you let me know when you start accepting more clients. Last time when I asked you said you were no longer accepting clients, so I guess we're out of the loop on updates and just have to sit back wondering . . .

Originally posted by Jag

I think he meant it would spark more nonsense from mistral1, and it did. :rolleyes:
Only time will tell who's speaking nonsense.

I will be the first to put a full-page apology and "shame on me" notice in this forum if you have hostgui up and running in full speed by January 1st, 2003 as you've promised. ;)

Oh, wait, there was a promise that it will be up and running by January 1st?

This wouldn't be a promise like the June or July promise, would it?

I would absolutely LOVE to see it up and running come January 1st.

All I can say is keep up the work and hopefully you can get it done by the first of the year if not sooner!!!

Originally posted by ClineCOM
Oh, wait, there was a promise that it will be up and running by January 1st?

This wouldn't be a promise like the June or July promise, would it?

I would absolutely LOVE to see it up and running come January 1st.

All I can say is keep up the work and hopefully you can get it done by the first of the year if not sooner!!!

Yes in a manner of speaking, what we said was it will be released this year (2002) so naturally this means prior to Jan 1st . ;)

Here's a comment taken from the hostgui forum (http://www.hostgui.com/support/forum/showthread.php?threadid=592), date 28 April 2002. The whole hostgui forum is now littered with similar posts.

According to Jag's mind, this person and many others who can see through the manipulation that is taking place, is a nonsense, blatant liar!

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I am stopping

I decided to stop coming to this forum and getting all frustrated about reading how the release is yet again postponed.

In the changelog i read:

15 aug 2001: v 0.1
15 sep 2001: v 0.6
18 oct 2001: v 0.8
6 nov 2001: pre-final

today 28 apr 2002: final release estimated for Q2

I am getting the feeling it is not as far as the changelog indicates and i am no longer going to wait for it to finish (if ever).

I thought this interface is too good to be true when i first saw the site and seems just that.

Kind regards

Jan

Welp, I'm almost to the same position, but hearing that January 1st idea gave me some more hope.

I really do hope this thing gets done before January 1st.

No more partying for Jag on his Friday and Saturday nights ... Let's try to get this thing done! <puts on his coaches smile>

Jag said:
We have never set a release date and won't do so until on or just before the actual date we want to release it. All I can say at this point is it will be released this year and we will have some interesting marketing and specials to help build momentum while we break into the control panel market.


That's not very true. You have set dates, but you called them "time frames". They are still dates though.

You haven't delivered on them Either.

I don't really mind, just don't lie. It's not my place to tell you how to run and produce your product. Many other people think it is though.