So how do hosters feel about it ?

finally a lot lower server loads + tons of features and improved security :]

they have 5000 users online and going up :]

I still prefer SMF.
They are rolling out SMF 2.0 soon. Now its in beta stage for charter members. ;)

lets not talk about other forum software here ;-) another flame war is not needed ;-)

there is a comparison with all major bb's on phpbb.com now :D

Yeah, not intending to have any wars now. :D

actualy after waiting.... how long ? 7 years... its time to celebrate, i think phpbb was really important for internet communities.

I'll give it a try later today. It's probably better than SMF, at least smf.

A quick 2c: having used phpBB3 for a couple of months I must say that its permissions system is rather complicated. It's hard to get right without logging in as the target user and testing it.

I plan on installing it soon and giving it a try. I wonder how skinning it is compared to v2 o_0

A quick 2c: having used phpBB3 for a couple of months I must say that its permissions system is rather complicated. It's hard to get right without logging in as the target user and testing it.

Is it? Eeek, I planned on giving it a try at some point. That said, I found the SMF permissions a task and a half:blush:

never used pbb's ever myself so no need to start :)

always thought of them as inferior

owm

Two things about phpBB 3 as a whole:
1) Their comparison chart is really wrong... At least for IPB and vB... I don't have enough love for phpBB to go and point them out for them... so let's just leave it at that.
2) Their new password hashing algorithm is a waste of server resources, and makes all other forum software's converter die. Good job for locking their users down forever.

That aside, 6 years... its about time. Let's hope we don't see another howdark-like exploit.

why is the comparison wrong ? seems ok for me to be honest, as for the hashing algorithm, i was migrating a 4000 user forum in a test machine and everything went smooth.

phpBB all the way. I have been its supporter from its beg.

I believe ver3 is promising, prior versions are big hoes, every body comes and injects their sql.

I believe ver3 is promising, prior versions are big hoes, every body comes and injects their sql.
That's not to say they won't eventually with phpbb3. Hell, phpbb2 is years old, of course there's injections and crap in there.

Even better, phpbb3 already has a few "spam" exploits out there, so I really wouldn't say it's the best yet ;) They've STILL got to outlive SMF.

Running phpbb3,smf, and phpbb2 MF hosts (talk about a busy man ;)), the ONLY one I can say for sure that hasn't been hit by massive "spam bots" is SMF. I really don't know HOW they do it, but they've kept the spam away for years.

I agree that phpbb3 and permissions are, well, nightmarishly scary. It almost takes a rocket scientist to put stuff together there.

Yes, phbb free has done lots of contribution for forums sites

and yet it's still one of the most insecure, most vulnerable and largest resource pigs on your server when it comes to forum software. It's full of XSS holes, it still is and will continue to be vulnerable to SQL injection and anyone who is remotely serious about hosting forums won't be using it.

sorry, just completely baffles me why people praise this mess of code and call it "good". Nobody who cares about website/web server security would use or allow any version of phpbb. v3 will be no different (and they didn't fix all the security issues from the release candidates.).

vBulletin > SMF and PHPBB IMO.

and yet it's still one of the most insecure, most vulnerable and largest resource pigs on your server when it comes to forum software.

can you back it up, ??? because i had to work seriously and stress test with some forum software out ther ( open source ), and trust me with the features it had , on the same migrated db data, phpbb performed a lot better than SMF for example, and this is something that had been proved by methodical tests ;-) so i think you dont really know what you are talking about. Im not sure if i benchamerked vbulettin, but i think that new phpbb is on par with it more or less. for performance phpbb easly takes on 5000-8000 users on phpbb.com while maintaining low loads, and they have only 2 machines there main+database.


v3 will be no different (and they didn't fix all the security issues from the release candidates.).
actually they fix the security issues. btw, i saw other forum software hacked too ;-) vb too. I would say its not more bugged than other software out there, its the popularity - you gain most when you explouit mutilple forums of this king.

I should stop using firefox - it got soooo buggy - ( ppl find more bugs because its more popular now ) , your arguments are really not backed up well, not that i belive blindly in phpbb , because they have their own problems. But actually i coded a forum software once and i know how hard it its to do it properly. and one truth is always actual - all software has bugs. point me to one non hackable forum. its the way you do administration counts, patch your software and you are good to to go, no matter what soft you use.



BTW. on side note, i run fairly big phpbb for 5 years now - NEVER ever got hacked, but when you have noob users that use fantastico - what do you expect ? ;-)

I think this version is there best one to date, will give a lot of people who don't want to pay for VB or IPB a chance to use some top forum software imo.

Good stuff :)

It sure took them a long time to get it out.

I'm planning on trying this out soon. I liked v2, so this should be good. I've used SMF and it seems not to have amany great features =/

I'm planning on trying this out soon. I liked v2, so this should be good. I've used SMF and it seems not to have amany great features =/

Not so many great features? Like wha?
Comparing smf to phpbb is kinda silly. Even phpbb3 , which will lose that comparison.

Not so many great features? Like wha?
Comparing smf to phpbb is kinda silly. Even phpbb3 , which will lose that comparison.

SMF is not user friendly and i hope you are not making a joke by comparing phpBB3 with crap SMF.

phpBB rocks all the way.

SMF is not user friendly

Yeah, ok, you can keep dreaming there.

SMF is not ONLY user friendly (hello, simple package uploads, simple theme uploads), but it is virtually SPAM PROOF as well.

phpbb3 and permissions? A literal bloddy nightmare. SMF and permissions? Easily done. phpbbb2 and permissions? Yeah, right, you're joking right?

phpbb3 and themes? Not hard, but it is still complicating to change everyone's themes. phpbb2? A bit easier. SMF? Simply fill out a short form and it's there, uploaded and pretty for you.

phpbb modifications? yeah, ok, if you want to modify EVERY theme every time you want to add something, by god , go for it! Me, I'll take the de-facto SMF version. Most (note: most) themes have only a few modified files in them, and inherit the rest of their stuff from the default theme file, which, of course, is what the package uploader uses. At the least, you'll end up comparing two index.template.php files. Wooh, big deal.

I'm not sure where you get your "user friendly" statement from, but SMF is, hands down, more 'user friendly' than EITHER phpbbb2 OR phpbb3

phpbb3 and permissions? A literal bloddy nightmare. SMF and permissions? Easily done. phpbbb2 and permissions? Yeah, right, you're joking right?


I like the permission system in phpbb3, what are "easy to handle" permission systems good, when i cant archieve what i want? I want flexibility, screw the "easy" part ;-)


Not so many great features? Like wha?
Comparing smf to phpbb is kinda silly. Even phpbb3 , which will lose that comparison.

Like - jabber IM integration , like multiple databases support ( very important imho, not everyone wants/can use mysql ), custom profile fields, etc. there are many things that arent visible at glance but really are significant, i think if i would read more carefully i could point out a lot more in favour of phpbb, but its surely possible to point out what phpbb doesnt have and others do ( but in my opinion those are less significant things).

I dont want to start another war , really, but here is a comparison
http://www.phpbb.com/about/features/compare.php , smf is there, and you can be surprised what functions forums do have and do not - i think that the comparison is rather fair.



phpbb modifications? yeah, ok, if you want to modify EVERY theme every time you want to add something, by god , go for it!


ever heard about Easy Mod ? trust me 80% of mods you can install in minutes ( some in few mintures ) on all themes you have, even on heavly modded board - trust me ive been there. I run a fairly complicated and modded forum and upgrading etc, takes minutes. It all needs a bit of knowledge + awarness of some good tools like easy mod :D

Phpbb is not bad imo, it had it worse times when lots of ppl got hacked etc, but i really trust this is past - other forum software is good too, but belive me when i say that SMF is slow for example, i did the tests on same data ( converters ) , the only faster thing than phpbb was if i recall punbb. but its a lot simplier.

I dont have a simple doubt it can really compete with big players like VB or IPB, dont be biased by its reputation - its similiar situation in postgresql VS mysql - ppl still think that postgres is slow - where in fact the new versions from 8.x branch can scale more than 300% better on multi processor systems( read - most servers out there ) versus mysql ( + postgres can easly handle 400gb databases ). , but the reputation persists, and host still dont install the 8.x for whatever the reasons.

Mates read, make comparisions, but dont be hasty :]

I dont want to start another war , really, but here is a comparison

And that's really NOT biased, right? of course it's not. it just HAPPENS to be hosted on phpbb's site, done by independent individuals, not favoring phpbb. Right, and I'm santa clause :santa:


ever heard about Easy Mod ? trust me 80% of mods you can install in minutes

Try SECONDS , and you don't need no damn "easy mod" to install them.


Phpbb is not bad imo

No, you're right, it's not bad. phpbb is pathetic software. An oh so perfect example of this? How long did it take them to get phpbb3 out the door? Yeah, WAYYYY too long.

SMF on the other hand has SMF2 on the way, despite the fact that 1.1.4 was just released (security updates), and they're already pumping alpha releases to members and forums, which means we'll probably see it here in the next 6 months or so. THEN do a comparison of the two!

Phpbb has a long way to learn about being "user friendly". I shouldn't need a damned manual in order to setup a forum, or to create forums that users want to get into and play with, they should be easily setup, end of story. With phpbbb3, that's just not the case, you literally need a damn manual to figure it out.

Oh, and just for fun, check out the actual announcement for SMF2 (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=190812.0). Those things that phpbb3 lists as 'phpbb only'? Not so much

User warning system.
WYSIWYG editor to provide an intuitive user interface to those users not familiar with BBC.
Database abstraction - with support for PostgreSQL and SQLite planned alongside that of MySQL.
Custom profile fields to enable administrators to add additional member fields from the administration center.


From the looks of that entire thread, a WHOLE ton more, such as scheduled tasks, etc. Since it's in beta (my bad, not alpha) now to charter members, I'd say we're probably looking at a pretty good bet we'll see it in the next few months. Phpbb3? Way too far behind.

It depends upon ones needs. now you can't just say phpBB is not that great, when it has served people so many yrs.

Why can't you try SMF software instead of phpBB. That proves you like phpBB. May be from your angle SMF may be better, but you cannot compare with phpBB.

VB Vs IPB Vs phpBB could be a debate.

you cannot compare with phpBB.

I hate to disagree, but you contradict yourself here


I dont want to start another war , really, but here is a comparison

So, obviously you CAN compare with phpbb. in fact, the authors themselves have done so. So, you're wrong, flat out wrong.

What those "comparisons" hide is the fact that phpbb is #1 in hacks and #1 in spam as well. Of course, they want to hide those things from the general audience because they don't WANT people to know that their software is full of bugs, holes, and loves spammers.

What those "comparisons" also hide is the fact that they are biased, in the fact that they have not once looked at the release statistics for other software. Of COURSE, they're going to point the bias at themselves, any company will do the same, and at the end of the day, phpbb is just that, a company

What those "comparisons" also hide is the slow development time of these releases. Again, compare development times between phpbb2 and 3 to SMF 1 and 2. Night and DAY there, night and day.

phpbb3 looks good, I'm not going to deny that, but it is just FAR too complicated of a system, and I'd hate to be involved in developing mods for it. I've done a few quick hacks for phpbbb2 (still working on about 20 templates there), so I know what a pain THAT is. I can only imagine the joy I'll have working with phpbb3, a literal figurative nightmare!

And that's really NOT biased, right? of course it's not. it just HAPPENS to be hosted on phpbb's site, done by independent individuals, not favoring phpbb. Right, and I'm santa clause :santa:


hmmm, just being hosten on phpbb's site doesnt disqalify the comparison, its only feature's comparison , nothing more or less, i doubt there are manipulations because im sure that that would be pointed out in a seconds.


Try SECONDS , and you don't need no damn "easy mod" to install them.

ok, 50% of mods and patches install in seconds with "damn easy mod" ;-) btw. there is a good explanation why they dod not include a hooks system in phpbb ( you can read it on their forums - mostly because there are some mods that heavly modify the core of software - something you cannot do with VB), + you have something called modules that allows you to install many things without any code alterations ;-)



What those "comparisons" also hide is the fact that they are biased, in the fact that they have not once looked at the release statistics for other software. Of COURSE, they're going to point the bias at themselves, any company will do the same, and at the end of the day, phpbb is just that, a company

Yeah, but its jsut a "feature comparison" - do you know that phpbb2 hasnt been patched for how long ? a year ?, there was no need to ;-) they fixed all the things it seems .


What those "comparisons" hide is the fact that phpbb is #1 in hacks and #1 in spam as well.

and why is that IE has the same opinion ? because of microsoft poor programmers ? oh cmon, its popularity - when firefox became popular it occured its bugfest too, yet no one complains about it - thats just life. Its not any different with phpbb or will be with any other forum software.


phpbb3 looks good, I'm not going to deny that, but it is just FAR too complicated of a system

Actually i like that about it - flexibility , but i know what you mean, thats why i write commercial grade quality cms system that will incorporate forums and ecommerce - everything written from scratch to be easy to users, so they dont have to think - thats the trend todays and thats where all software is going.

And relax mate , you are being too emotional, grab a beer or something ;-)

MyBB (http://www.forummatrix.org/compare/MyBB+phpBB-3+SMF) > * especially with v1.4 on the horizon.

I am using phpbb for many communities since 2000. If you upgrade to latest version you are going to get hacked. Lately I help many of our customers to upgrade to phpbb3 and the process is very easy.

I have to agree that the new permission system confuses many users, that's why many people that create new forums install the phpbb2 version first and then upgrade to phpbb3.

MyBB (http://www.forummatrix.org/compare/MyBB+phpBB-3+SMF) > * especially with v1.4 on the horizon.

Now, THERE is a truly unbiased rating and opinion, though it looks like they need to update that for SMF2

And relax mate , you are being too emotional, grab a beer or something ;-)

No
Simply put, I am not 'too emotional' about this at all. I hate misdirection, I hate lies, I hate individuals stating 'this software sucks' when they clearly haven't tried it, and have no experience with it. While I'm not going to deny that individuals have their rights to an opinion, if the individual is clearly biased in that opinion, then they should keep it to themselves.

PHPBB is known world wide for being a 'spam' and 'hack' board. v3 is somewhat better, but there are still major problems with it, and it doesn't (really) address the spam problem.

In over a year of running SMF multi forums, how many boards have I seen with spam? Not a single one. None, nada.
In just under 6 months of running 2 phpbb multi forums (2 and 3), how many ? Enough so that I had to put restrictive mods into the system which involved complicated template edits, and slowed production. Easymod doesn't work for this type of scenario, each template must be edited by hand, and each 'addon' query must be added to separate install files.

I think the results speak for themselves there. phpbb is vulnerable to spam attacks and hacks. I've seen it far too many times.

I'm not going to say SMF is 100% easy to use, becausse in the same scenario (mf setup), it's not, but it is FAR easier to work with the system than phpbb could EVER be.

but belive me when i say that SMF is slow for example, i did the tests on same data ( converters ) , the only faster thing than phpbb was if i recall punbb. but its a lot simplier.

SMF slow? Not in my experience of running a reasonably large board (3.6 million posts, 25k users) on a single underpowered P4 D 920 (2.8GHz), 2GB Ram, 1 SATA HDD, 1 SCSI HDD.

I'd love to run a test conversion to phpBB 3 & see how that performs with some dummy load but their user developed converters just can't handle converting that sized db.

SMF slow? Not in my experience of running a reasonably large board (3.6 million posts, 25k users)
by slow i meant in comparison, its probably a good forum software, but comparing speeds of vanilla phpbb vs smf on the same sample data, phpbb performed better , didnt want to imply anything more than that.

Page generation times of 0.092 seconds are just fine for me.

Out of interest, how large a db did you do your tests with, a handful of posts is fine but did you also test how well they scale as numbers of posts etc rise?

In over a year of running SMF multi forums, how many boards have I seen with spam? Not a single one. None, nada.

so you say that writing a spam bot is not possible for SMF or other forum ? r u joking now ? ther is no purpose to do so, because phpbb's are much more popular, and most users install them with fantastico.


Enough so that I had to put restrictive mods into the system which involved complicated template edits, and slowed production.

So congratulations, i stopped the spam completly when i added a custom field that asked how much is 5 + 5 - a custom solution ( 5 lines of code ), and you have to put some complicated mods to the system, truly you really are competant then.


I think the results speak for themselves there. phpbb is vulnerable to spam attacks and hacks.

Since you try to pretend to be so knowledgable , you should know that 90% of spambots just read captha and register - its not some kind of exploit or anything ( adding anything custom to registration can stop spam completly ), now i just happend to visit smf to see their captcha, very simple one, now compare it to phpbb3 captcha. And now... tadaaam... phpbb3's captcha is already defeated more or less , even when its a lot complicated, and thats because its a lot more profitable to attack phpbb's , not smf's - numbers dont lie whatever you belive. and that spam has NOTHING to do with "security", or anything you try to proof - that is manipulation and lies. If you really want to convince me or just be fair , please point me to any reasonable info that its the way that phpbb is written ( ie. some code flaws allowing spam bots registration) is the cause of spam. Until you do so i just say you are spreading unnecessary FUD about it. i dont want to bve rude , but i want at least some reasonable argument from you, for now those are just empty words, and misinformation from your site. the painfull truth is that ppl with unclean intentions invest much time for allowing spam registrations on phpbb's - the normal way, no exploits or security ( trust me i know what im talking about , simple alteration of registrration process eliminated the problem), and that is the reality of it.


I hate misdirection, I hate lies

i hate those too, so back up your opinions with some proof, because i gave you solid arguments i think.

have a nice day, and again, be more analytic less emotional here.

Page generation times of 0.092 seconds are just fine for me.

Out of interest, how large a db did you do your tests with, a handful of posts is fine but did you also test how well they scale as numbers of posts etc rise?
it was a small db to be honest, about 20k posts ,and 3k users, picked 15 urls from various places, forums, topics, index etc, and did a stress test with paessler webserver stress tool, for unregistered user for all forum software - it may be not very representative for big boards , you judge it :]

i hate those too, so back up your opinions with some proof, because i gave you solid arguments i think.

The proof is in the experience. If you want to be closed minded enough to believe that phpbbb is all there is, by all means, feel free. You can NOT argue with experience though.

Again, the statistics speak for themselves. Out of the box, no mods, no hacks, no anything

phpbb2:
Vulnerable to spam attacks and multiple injections
phpbb3:
Vulnerable to spam attacks (I've seen it happen)
SMF:
Not a SINGLE spam attack

We're not even talking the same TIME frame here.
SMF - Running a year with mf
PHPBB - Running < 6 months with mf
phpbb3 - Running about 3 months with mf

YOU do the math there. YOU look at the statistics. Screw the addons, screw the modules, screw EVERYTHING ELSE. Just take it as it is, BARE system. SMF wins that one, hands down!

This isn't 'emotional', you're spreading FUD, as is anyone else claiming phpbb is 'spam proof'.

Is SMF spam proof? ehh, probably not, I never said it WAS. I stated though that comparing the systems themselves, phpbb LOSES that battle, hands down! Even phpbbb3 loses that one!

Example (experience) #2:
Running multiple forums (as a side thing), from business support to just fun stuff. Things started off with phpbb2, then got so much spam that something was necessary to address the issue. Moved to smf, and by god, with a DEFAULT installl, no more spam. Imagine that! In years, I have never, ever seen a system so loved by spammers as phpbb.

Now you want 'hard core' proof? There's a link in my signature. Follow it, look at every forum in phpbb2 and smf. I DARE you to find one in SMF that has spam. Come on, I DARE ya! Don't pay any attention to the phpbb3 link, because right now the forums are being upgraded to gold, and there's a few issues. I WISH I could say 'there are no phpbb2 spams', but I can't. In fact, those forums were so riddled with spam that I had to turn to addons and plugins to stop it.

There's your proof right there. The SMF forums, been around longer, not a single spam post (though I did have someone signup a forum and try to route traffic elsewhere, which was stopped immediately). phpbb? < 6 months, full of spam, literally.

Again, I'm NOT saying it's not possible to spam SMF forums. Don't get me wrong there, I'm hardly saying that at all. What I'm SAYING is that phpbb is where it's at for spam. phpbb, at default (no mods whatsoever) loves spam. SMF , at default (again, no mods, whatsoever) does not. The proof is in the links

ok i agree with everything you wrote, true , phpbb's are hacked, smf's are not - i wont argue with that, but maybe you missed my point in my last post. the reason for forums being hacked is the userbase and the possible gains from attack, if you invest your time to produce some kind of tool for spam - you want to have maximal results , and best results you get when attacking biggest possible userbase - that was what i had in mind - i think i can assume with 95% of probability that if you would switch the userbases with phpbb and smf, the second one would be spammed on a daily basis. Thats all, and it has nothing to do with how the software is written, and it applies to all software, be it php, online or offline.

as for experience, i can oly say that i had a forum that was spammed for few days, and i fixed that with 5 lines ( ik you dont have to do it with smf - but it was not a "software problem" that it was spammed ), had a friend that had a phpbb spammed on a daily basis, but LET ME STRESS IT AGAIN, it has nothing to do with HOW software is written, its just that spamemrs developed very good tools that can mimic user behaviour, they invested time because there is a very big userbase you can attack.

This isn't 'emotional', you're spreading FUD, as is anyone else claiming phpbb is 'spam proof'.never claimed so - but i can guarantee that its extreamly easy to make it so ( if using custom solution like i do)

http://www.gaiaonline.com/ - now try to beat that ( its phpbb ) with ANY other forum software :]

the reason for forums being hacked is the userbase and the possible gains from attack

not so
In most cases, again, from what I've seen the reason for forums being hacked is just to say "we did this, sucker!", and that's not "hacking", that is "spamming", there is a HUGE difference.


it has nothing to do with HOW software is written, its just that spamemrs developed very good tools that can mimic user behaviour, they investet time because there is a bery big userbase you can attack.

yes, it does
Poorly written software is going to mean that the software is spammed, hacked, etc. Even phpbb3 is easily spammed. I've seen it done, don't say it can't be. SMF? Can't say that I've seen it happen, though again, I'm not saying it CAN'T happen.


now try to beat that

That's nice, but self promotion is not allowed. Hence the reason i said look at my signature, instead of just flat out giving you the links

Did any of phpbb lovers had a deep look at SMF and phpBB coding system? If you do it, you'll see SMF is hands down a statue of art, easiest to learn, easiest to make complex modifications, and securest.

And no, I'm WAAAY more experienced than you think, on both systems.

http://www.gaiaonline.com/ - now try to beat that ( its phpbb ) with ANY other forum software :]

It is no more phpBB. More than half of the vanilla code was altered and many lines of code have been removed to enable phpBB run a forum that size. That's what the owner says on phpbb support forums, not my words.

not so
that is "spamming", there is a HUGE difference.

my bad wrote in hurry, i meant spamming

yes, it does
Poorly written software is going to mean that the software is spammed, hacked, etc. Even phpbb3 is easily spammed. I've seen it done, don't say it can't be. SMF? Can't say that I've seen it happen, though again, I'm not saying it CAN'T happen.

you did not bother to read my post WITH UNDERSTANDING antoher time, so i guess ill just leave this discussion.

Poorly written software is going to mean that the software is spammed, hacked, etc. Even phpbb3 is easily spammed.

you actually did not understand even a word that i wrote, maybe its just my poor english, maybe not.



That's nice, but self promotion is not allowed. Hence the reason i said look at my signature, instead of just flat out giving you the links
im not promoting anything, just gave you an example link that is allowed.

EOT from my side.

It is no more phpBB. More than half of the vanilla code was altered and many lines of code have been removed to enable phpBB run a forum that size. That's what the owner says on phpbb support forums, not my words.

yeah , i read what lanzer ( if that was his nick ther), did, there is a topic on phpbb.com about optimisation of big forums and he added some info there :]

as for the "best" solutions, best solutions are custom made and optimised for specific tasks, thats why im writing one ( and leaving phpbb ), and thats what they did with gaia :D simeple truth that applies for all software there :]

I tried many forums in the past but not many that were free and good I had a couple on Fantastico and had them, Then i found PHPBB so i installed and i think its the best free one up to now,

I'll be updating soon ;]

I think if a forum software is so popular then you have attacks over it. That does not mean the other competitiors are secure.

Windows is more secure than linux. you normally have a lot of attacks, but is because its largely used and a potential hacker would obivously go for windows.

Windows is more secure than linux.
i think you went a bit too far with that statement friend :P

i think you went a bit too far with that statement friend :P

Not too far, just hinted. :D:D

you actually did not understand even a word that i wrote, maybe its just my poor english, maybe not.

No, I understand perfectly what you're saying, you're saying 'it's not code' but it IS the code, it IS the code taht has caused phpbb to have so many people leaving it over the years. it IS the code that has caused so many people to be able to HACK into it over the years, it IS the code that has allowed so many people to create bots to even surpass their own capcha system and spam the system. This isn't 'popularity', it's pathetically poor coding, nothing more.



I think if a forum software is so popular then you have attacks over it.

Incorrect

If that was the case, then phpbb3 which just came out (a few months back) wouldn't have the number of spam and attacks it does today, because m ost people know that phpbb3, even then, not worth it


Windows is more secure than linux. you normally have a lot of attacks, but is because its largely used and a potential hacker would obivously go for windows.

Yeah, you're definitely reaching there. Windows is hardly more secure than linux, just by how it operates alone. With linux, you have to TELL something to do something. With windows, too many permissions are granted when an application is just opened up. Of course their answer to this (UAC) is a joke and should be disabled anyways.

Comparing Linux to Microsoft in terms of security is like comparing and apple and a bananna. They're both alike in that they're fruit, but that's where the similarities end (despite all the FUD spread by Microsoft). Linux is a secured, protected environment. Microsoft is a petri dish, just waiting to be infected. Don't take my word alone for it, though, just read here (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/) (admittedly a couple years old, yet the facts are still the same).

I love phpBB, using it on all my sites atm :D

Microsoft is a petri dish, just waiting to be infected.

:rofl:

Way to funny


Matt (former NT 4.0 Admin)

I'm glad they finally released this. It's taken them forever to do all the beta testing. I'm going to install it on my sites ASAP and see how it runs :).

Phpbb is excellent! So easy to use whilst at the same time effective.