Im starting my own hosting biz and im interested to know how others are doing, so i can compare if i'll be doing good or bad.

how long did it take before your have a steady flow of income? how much advertising?

thanks.

You won't be a millionaire overnight :D

Originally posted by Myacen
You won't be a millionaire overnight :D

nor in a few weeks....

many companies make it look easy but it really is a lot of hard work..lots of hard planning, lots of long nights...lots of everything to deal with....

i know a guy that is already 500 in the red for the month of august alone...everyday expenses can add up fast

...everyday expenses can add up fast heh and the more you grow the faster they add up! It's a business like many others and the owners tend to work extremely long hours with the added flavor of it being a 24/7/365 industry. It took about a year for us to begin seeing a steady flow.

Many begin hosting without any "real business" experience or planning. Oddly enough many forget it is a real business. The more you treat it like a real business the better off you'll be in the end. Visiting the local Chamber of Commerce or places such as www.score.org will provide you free classes and ideas for some of the 'real business' areas you'll want to make yourself aware of.

dont look for any honest answers when you ask such questions.....

You won't be a millionaire overnight :D dont look for any honest answers when you ask such questions..... You mean I should have been a millionaire overnight?!?!? :bawling:

Originally posted by Deb
You mean I should have been a millionaire overnight?!?!? :bawling:

Well, it took me almost an entire week. I grew so tired of waiting and nearly gave up. :rolleyes:

0 :bawling:

Originally posted by Aplusmedia
Im starting my own hosting biz and im interested to know how others are doing, so i can compare if i'll be doing good or bad.

how long did it take before your have a steady flow of income? how much advertising?

thanks.

Your question really doesn't help you much.

Look at the recent fiasco, they apparently were signing up well over 1000 domains a month it seems, and grew themselves into nothingness.

What's important is overall in vs overall out and the length of time required to make your in comfortably larger than your out :)

Originally posted by Myacen
You won't be a millionaire overnight :D

What about every 4 months? :D Anyways, i doubt many companies will give out their signup/income figures.

Originally posted by Myacen
You won't be a millionaire overnight :D
That's for sure. After 12mths of building your business [full time or part-time], you should be able to make an "income", after your costs etc. Getting your business off the ground is the hardest part. Once you've got momentum, it's just a matter of keeping up with new servers and systems that track clients etc..

Originally posted by Deb
heh and the more you grow the faster they add up!
Aint that the truth. The trick here is to keep your expenses a certian % of your total revenues. This is not always easy as there may be times when you need to increase your expenditure to cover one off investments. Here's the golden rule of business - never spend more than you make. CASHFLOW IS KING!! :D

around 15-20 signups a day


if you can get 30 signups a day, you can be a millionaire in 1 year or 1.5 years.

Originally posted by mrbling
around 15-20 signups a day


if you can get 30 signups a day, you can be a millionaire in 1 year or 1.5 years.
lol. Hardly. :cartman:

Care to enlighten us on your figures? Remember, we're talking being a "millionaire" with money in the bank, real assets - not some blue sky [crap ;)] valuation of your business. :blush:

never spend more than you make


lotsa people (esp newbies) seem to think never spend more than you think you can make....then they overspend in the first 2 weeks of service and dont have enough money left for anything else :rolleyes:

Oops. Pressed quote instead of edit. :buck: :D

The first million is always the hardest. :D

Originally posted by Kiwi
The first million is always the hardest. :D
Noone likes a showoff, Kiwi. ;) :D

100 a day :D ( I wish ;) ) hmm let me check my billing ... :stickout

Originally posted by Aussie Bob

Noone likes a showoff, Kiwi. ;) :D

Was just adding to your financial knowledge showoff. ;) :D

Originally posted by Aplusmedia
Im starting my own hosting biz and im interested to know how others are doing, so i can compare if i'll be doing good or bad.

I'm going to be serious here for just one second. If you are comparing yourself to other hosts to determine the relative good/bad of your own operation, you're focusing too much on other peoples' business and not enough on your own. One of our reseller is a web designer who also does hosting. I'm not sure comparing his signups per day with our signups per day would indicate anything good or bad about his business if he's satisfied with the growth of his business.

how long did it take before your have a steady flow of income? how much advertising?

Well, as long as that first customer keeps paying their bill... :)

well I am getting...

... 1 sign up ...

.... per week! ROFL

It also depends alot on the profit margin you make as well, you can get 50 signups a day on a $5 account or 25 on a $10 one, make more money, provide better service, and do less work... make sure you have a good balance with the pricing of your packages.

-Brendan

Originally posted by MotleyFool
well I am getting...

... 1 sign up ...

.... per week! ROFL

hey, im down there with you

probably 1 a week right now, but i think i might be starting to get a teeny teeny bit of momentum.

The guys at Arthur Anderson said I should have $1,000,000 (*wink, but on pinky) pretty soon :D...

Originally posted by HRBrendan
It also depends alot on the profit margin you make as well, you can get 50 signups a day on a $5 account or 25 on a $10 one, make more money, provide better service, and do less work... make sure you have a good balance with the pricing of your packages.

-Brendan

Could not of said it any better.

well thanks for all your responses, im not really looking to compare myself, i just want to know what to expect,


Originally posted by MotleyFool
well I am getting...

... 1 sign up ...

.... per week! ROFL


my goal (for now) is to catch up to you!:D

Originally posted by Kiwi
Was just adding to your financial knowledge showoff. ;) :D
Your knowledge was added to our collective. Resistance was futile. :D :stickout

When we first started up, we allowed an advertising budget of about $1000/mo and were signing up 2-3 clients a day after about 2-3 weeks.

That was then, this is now. :)

Originally posted by Aussie Bob

Your knowledge was added to our collective. Resistance was futile. :D :stickout

Gee Mr.Bob, you seem to have a vast array of knuhledge hidden everywhere huh?

Not only do you have 50 Million Email adds, your with the collective? :cartman:

Originally posted by mrbling
around 15-20 signups a day


if you can get 30 signups a day, you can be a millionaire in 1 year or 1.5 years.

:cartman:

This is the log that fuels the fire of people who never should have started a hosting business.

WOW!!! In 1 year I can be a millionare? Where do I sign up? Rackshack? Great! They have all the tools. Plus they are cheap. Let me see. $99.00/mo x 12 = $1188. That means I can net $999,8812 per year.

yes, 30 signups a day will make you a millionaire in 1.5 years

at least $10+ signups

do the caculations.

You forget the price of support servers and bandwidth. Not to mention the fact that before you get that many sign ups you will probably have to build your own datacenter. You will eventually hit a zero point where you are losing customers at the same rate they are signing up.

You would be a millionaire with ulcers:)

You would be a millionaire with ulcers:) That's why all of us millonaires hang out at WHT :D

You would be a millionaire with ulcers


I can see it now...

New hosting special.. free tums with every signup

:stickout

You will eventually hit a zero point where you are losing customers at the same rate they are signing up.

This is something new host never understand. They think that because they are signing up 20 new accounts a day and losing 1 month, that this trend will continue. Eventually the two will balance out unless you make changes.

The industry average is like 1 - 4% churn for business over one year old. So expect to lose that percent of your business every month. For a place with 10,000 clients, that is 100 - 400 canceled customers per month.

i get 2-3 per week

Originally posted by mrbling
yes, 30 signups a day will make you a millionaire in 1.5 years

at least $10+ signups

do the caculations.

Really? I guess that you forgot some expenses.

How much do you pay for your techs? how many techs do you have working?
How much do you pay for your servers? how much for your bandwidth? how many resources that $10+ per month customer use?

so you mean I can't be a millionaire as a host? :mad:
im retiring;)

only if your the owner of www.rackshack.net

expenses such as tech/ hosting servers/ other bull****. = 20%


I have a 80% profit margin, easy to caculate.


If you have a lower profit margin while hosting virtual hosting clients, your overpurchasing.

:)

becoming a millionaire is not easy, but its very easy if you can get 30 clients a day :)

I know very little "people" not big corps who can though.

I get 500 signs a day. Oh wait, no i don't. haha. I don't even have a hosting business! wwoooops!

Mr Bling's my hero.

He gets 30 signups a day, he makes 80% profit margin, and he's a millionaire.

That's hero material. If I were a poodle, I'd hump his leg.

Can I shine your dubs?

I'm way too tired for this thread... almost choked just trying to read it :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Originally posted by mrbling
yes, 30 signups a day will make you a millionaire in 1.5 years

at least $10+ signups

do the caculations.
Ahhh :eek: you made the statement, now can you please backup that statement with some figures?

BTW, your figures are WAY OUT!! :D :cartman:

Originally posted by net-trend


Gee Mr.Bob, you seem to have a vast array of knuhledge hidden everywhere huh?

Not only do you have 50 Million Email adds, your with the collective? :cartman:
And could you repeat that in English please?? :cartman:

Originally posted by Aussie Bob

Ahhh :eek: you made the statement, now can you please backup that statement with some figures?

BTW, your figures are WAY OUT!! :D :cartman:


heh, you don't have to believe the figures, you can believe whatever you want :) doesn't make a difference heheh

if you have different figures, then tell us how many signups a day one needs to become a millionaire :)

Originally posted by Dixiesys
Mr Bling's my hero.

He gets 30 signups a day, he makes 80% profit margin, and he's a millionaire.

That's hero material. If I were a poodle, I'd hump his leg.

Can I shine your dubs?

shine away dixie!
I knew you always wanted to heehee!

:pimp:

Originally posted by mrbling



heh, you don't have to believe the figures, you can believe whatever you want :) doesn't make a difference heheh

if you have different figures, then tell us how many signups a day one needs to become a millionaire :)
You stated ages ago in this thread that you could become a millionaire with 30 signups a day after 1 year. :cartman:

I guess if each account was bringing in about $250.00/mth, then that might be a goer, :D but do you have any idea of the infrastructure you need to build to support all those clients. You're lucky if you can make a nice profit to pay yourself a good salary. Your talk of being a millionaire after 1 year is plain nonsense and pure fantasy. :)

Just my $0.02 :D

but do you have any idea of the infrastructure you need to build to support all those clients.

->

Yes , you can have 10 FreeBSD servers
Each consisting of
PIII 1ghz
1 gig of ram
40 gig hard drive

Each server host 1,000 clients.


10 freebsd servers * $400 = $4,000


20 mb/s line, $4k a month or less.


Simplicity.

Yes, I know some people will complain this can not hold that many clients, spare it :)

So, now that your dubs are all shined up, care to reveal the mystery company that you run that has financed your growth to millionaire status in under 1.5 years?

Originally posted by Dixiesys
So, now that your dubs are all shined up, care to reveal the mystery company that you run that has financed your growth to millionaire status in under 1.5 years?

why do I need to reveal anything? I don't need $3 account sales from WHT :)

Only hosts who posts here with a tag line are people hungrying for sales :)

I do fine on the outside, that is why I can talk and not give a sh-it what people think.


I just come here for the entertainment!

for $3 account sales..

I need over 33,000 clients paying me each month

to make a million in 1.5 years..

might as well work at burger king, each franchise store gets around 1000 clients a day selling $3 burgers.

Haha keep on talking my man, a fella that won't even tell you the name of the company he supposedly runs ain't exactly real high on my list of people to pay much attention to. "I is a millionaire" "cool, so what's your company" "I ain't tellin ya", kinda reminds me of a dude from high school, he had a badass porsche, but funny thing is, it was ALWAYS in the shop, or getting painted, or getting new leather seats, or tires. I never saw his porsche, but I did see the 87 Escort he drove to school on the days it was running.

And I don't remember whispering my goals into your ear.

Your running a business right?
Your goals should be the same as every other businessman, Make as much money as possible.

If its not.. maybe your not running a business but a wannabe :)
wuh oh... heeeeheeee

Originally posted by Dixiesys


And I don't remember whispering my goals into your ear.

btw,
I run globix.com

:)
happy now? Heehee! now you know! I 'm also on the board of dir for qwest communications.

Yeah baby!

Originally posted by mrbling


why do I need to reveal anything?
I just come here for the entertainment!

Got something to hide?

I'm glad everyone else amuses you - now go play and be a good boy.

Wow if I were running a corporation that went from trading at $37 2 years ago to a nickel now I'd probably keep that under my hat too!

Hmm that's wierd, none of the CwhateverO's for Globix are listed on the board for Qwest.

dixiesys,
actually I was kidding,
I'm really the CEO for AT&T wireless.

:D

Ok I'm tired of hearing how rich you are.

Can you tell us how good looking you are?

And then describe your supermodel girlfriend for us. So we wannabee's can worship you properly.

Ok, ok. We've all had our fun. :buck: Mods please close this thread. Got in before TimPD did. ;) :D :stickout

And I'm a VP at WorldCom. (Living in the Cayman Islands now).

So, if you're the CEO for ATT wireless, does this mean a financial scandal will arise shortly? You've demonstrated you're not too great with figures, so do we have another Worldcom here?

Well,

after spending some top quality time reading through this thread & significantly improving my fiscal gnosis,

after learning how easy it is to make a million,

and after learning there are a few hosts trying to catch up with my marketing aggression and speed,

after....

....

...yaaawwwn...

a tiring week in the office, I am going home for the week end!

I have already got my sign up for the week!

All customers who need support can ask their deep and difficult doubts in the Technical forum with a subject line " Newbie - please dont flame" and ask "how do I email through outlook express" or "what is FTP" OR

post in the web hosting forum..

VALAI.Net SCAM -->>> BEWARE!!!!!!!!

"how my host promised to register my domain 4 hours back, took my money and still I cant see the f***ing thing on my browser.. dont gimme this crap about internic database, i know only you. i trusted you and you have walked away with my 8.50$.."

and several similar scintillating gleanings.

I am going to cuddle with my 18 mo old daughter and let the world be damned and if I never ever see a computer again in all my life no one would be wiser or happier! :)

Happy week end peeps!!

Cheers
Balaji

Originally posted by Dixiesys
Ok I'm tired of hearing how rich you are.

Can you tell us how good looking you are?

And then describe your supermodel girlfriend for us. So we wannabee's can worship you properly.

I just came back from a long walk on the beach with my girl katie holmes.. pretty fun :)

I never once said how rich I am, I just spoke from experience and people could not argue with the facts :) big difference :)

Well excuse my confusion, but you say you have experience making a million in 1.5 years. That is what you're saying? I mean you keep on and on about how it is done.

So, if you have experience making a million like you say, then why aren't you a millionaire? If it's that easy why aren't you one now? I think the logic is pretty clear but I'd like to hear your take on this, how can you have experience in becoming a millionaire in 1.5 years selling $10 hosting yet you now seem to be implying you're not a millionaire? Are you perhaps so full of it you're about to pop?

It's true you can't argue with facts or fools, problem is you haven't proven a single fact, so that leaves us with one option.

You talk about $3 hosting but let me throw some figures down for you that ARE from real experience. I started in Oct of last year and worked my ass off building what I have, in that time I've grossed over 100K in sales and new business and I'm running on a roughly 50% profit margin. I've leveraged my offerings and the way I take money so that if I didn't get another signup ever, we'd still be in business. And that's a fact because I'm doing it. Sounds to me like you ain't done much but talk and bluff, I don't know about anyone else but I'm bored of your silly games, you obviously haven't ever accomplished anything on your own, else you'd be too busy either spending that money or earning more of it to try and stir up crap here.

This is usually the point where someone says "I'm not gonna bother replying to any more of your posts" but I'd probably be lying, watching you make a fool out of yourself is too much entertainment not to take part.

Why do you keep saying I'm a millionaire?

I just play one on TV.. geeez..

thats how I gained all my experience.

$10-20 signups , 30 of them each day $9000+ increase in revenue per month, 18 months ..

do the math.
probably need around 20 months though, but you get the picture.

He is half right.....

If you signed up 30/day and churned 4%/month, by the 18th month you would have 11,691 accounts, which at $10 each would be $116,910 x 12 = $1,402,920 x 80% = $1,122,336....so his math may work....but nothing else does.

First you can't maintain 80% margins on that number of accounts. In addition to tech support, you have billing, you have credit card followup, you have all the elements of a business. Also, the only way to come close to those numbers is to own your own servers if not data center and that involves cost.

So, his numbers don't work....but if you were signing up 30/day, you could certainly be very very profitable.

Let's try this quickly....

Sales per month $117,000
Server leasing (assume preserve own capital)...$16,000
Tech support - Minimum $20,000
Credit Card Fees - $7,000
Fraud and chargebacks - $3,000
Sales, order processing, billing - $10,000
Office rent and expense - $3,000
Advertising (to get 30/day) - $20,000
Legal and Accounting fees - $2,000
Telephone - $2,000
Miscellaneous expenses - $5,000

Net profit before taxes - $29,000...

Taxes - US Rates - $9,000

Net profit per month $20,000

Not quite millionaire material

Also, who get 30 x $10 sign ups? :P

this person must spend money like water. running a business means pinching every dime:

Sales per month $117,000
Server leasing (assume preserve own capital)...$16,000
Tech support - Minimum $20,000
Credit Card Fees - $7,000
Fraud and chargebacks - $3,000
Sales, order processing, billing - $10,000
Office rent and expense - $3,000
Advertising (to get 30/day) - $20,000
Legal and Accounting fees - $2,000
Telephone - $2,000
Miscellaneous expenses - $5,000

Net profit before taxes - $29,000...


Heres my dime pincher math:

Sales per month $117,000
Server leasing (assume preserve own capital)...$6,000 (for monthly bandwidth and rack fees)
Tech support - $5,000 ( shh , more then enough if you know how to work it)
Credit Card Fees - $7,000
Fraud and chargebacks - $1000 ( I recieve one chargeback every 1000 sales)
Sales, order processing, billing - $0 (Do it yourself, write a cgi to export it to the file and upload it to authorize.net - automate this part.)
Office rent and expense - $0 (run it from your home, if you want you can have a $2.5k office)
Advertising (to get 30/day) - $Varies (depends on how much word of mouth do you have)
Legal fees - $0 .. What will you be consulting your lawyer? your TOS? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Accounting - $200 (Around $1.5k a YEAR..)
Telephone - $300 (don't offer phone support when you are hosting $10 clients, unless you like giving the farm away.)

Miscellaneous expenses - $2000 or varies.. (if your a pennypincher, you probbaly don't spend anything )


Total MONTHLY expense: $21,500
Total MONTHLY revenue: $117,000

Profit Margin: around 75-80%

Total profit: You do the math.


Of course some other things are not caculated.
But if you watch every penny, you can make a LOT of money


Of course there are kids here who does not know a thing about saving money.

just one thing

I never said getting 30 signups a day is easy,
but that is how you can become a millionaire, that is a goal you need to attain to make a million.

seeing how many resellers there are kicking around.. one can't help but question: doesn't this market seem a bit saturated, or at risk of quickly becoming saturated?

I disagree in the tech fee.

With 11,691 customers , you can't have only 1 tech!

Also, I guess that you'll spend a lot more than $6000 in BW and rackspace for those 11000 customers

Originally posted by Jedito
I disagree in the tech fee.

With 11,691 customers , you can't have only 1 tech!

Also, I guess that you'll spend a lot more than $6000 in BW and rackspace for those 11000 customers
There would be at least 10 full-time staff working to support 11,681 customers. There's $30 to 40k/mth...:cartman:

This is the internet right?
why do you hire employees that costs $3000 onsite when you can get the same admin or programmer for $300 from india?

You guys REALLY do not know how to conserve cash and utilize the power of the internet.

silly silly silly..



Lets see $5000, $300 employee, I can hand you 15 employees.

I think thats enough is that not? :)

how do you think bobcares make money? surely not by hiring $3000 dollar employees

Hahahahhahahahahahahahaah

I am finding that to be pretty close to the mark, we have about 3000 customers 5000 sites and 2 "more than full time" and 3 part time

Also, I guess that you'll spend a lot more than $6000 in BW and rackspace for those 11000 customers

Let me do a quick caculation for you.

I use quality bandwidth so I get my meg price at around $175

$1500 for 2 full rack spaces - that means 2 racks , up to 70-80 1u servers... way more that enough, I would use around 15-20 servers for this operation.


$4500 for 25 MB/S - 25 megabits is more then enough for 10,000 $10 clients.

I can throw in an extra $2,000 for 10-15 more megabits giving me -40 megabits total-.

This is multi homed bandwidth too.
Totla: $6000-8000 for rack space and bandwidth for 10,000 clients.


Any quesitons?

:D

im bill gates, but dont tell ;)

Originally posted by mrbling
Also, I guess that you'll spend a lot more than $6000 in BW and rackspace for those 11000 customers

Let me do a quick caculation for you.

I use quality bandwidth so I get my meg price at around $175


This is multi homed bandwidth too.
Totla: $6000-8000 for rack space and bandwidth for 10,000 clients.


Any quesitons?

:D

Yes, 1.2 GB BW per member its not a realistic number.

Originally posted by Jedito


Yes, 1.2 GB BW per member its not a realistic number.

Maybe if your hosting adult sites , but not if your hosting normal business sites.

They'd be lucky to use 200 megs a month. lucky is the key word.

Originally posted by mrbling
but do you have any idea of the infrastructure you need to build to support all those clients.

->

Yes , you can have 10 FreeBSD servers
Each consisting of
PIII 1ghz
1 gig of ram
40 gig hard drive

Each server host 1,000 clients.


10 freebsd servers * $400 = $4,000


20 mb/s line, $4k a month or less.


Simplicity.

Yes, I know some people will complain this can not hold that many clients, spare it :)

This is one of the dumbest things Ive heard on wht yet. You think you can fit 1000 clients that pay $250 each on a single machine? You would be lucky to find one client that would pay $250 for the whole machine. Lets try to base this conversation in something that could at least remotely be considered reality.

Originally posted by mrbling
This is the internet right?
why do you hire employees that costs $3000 onsite when you can get the same admin or programmer for $300 from india?

You guys REALLY do not know how to conserve cash and utilize the power of the internet.

silly silly silly..



Lets see $5000, $300 employee, I can hand you 15 employees.

I think thats enough is that not? :)

how do you think bobcares make money? surely not by hiring $3000 dollar employees

Hahahahhahahahahahahahaah

No offense to bobcares here, but a US client base of 10k clients needs to have people that are in the US supporting them.

Im sure some foreign guys are great and all but you will need at least some high priced US based admin to do relate to clients and do things those outsourced places cant cover. I doubt you will find one host on this board with a client bast even near that large that would even consider outsourced support.

Originally posted by mrbling
Also, I guess that you'll spend a lot more than $6000 in BW and rackspace for those 11000 customers

Let me do a quick caculation for you.

I use quality bandwidth so I get my meg price at around $175

$1500 for 2 full rack spaces - that means 2 racks , up to 70-80 1u servers... way more that enough, I would use around 15-20 servers for this operation.


$4500 for 25 MB/S - 25 megabits is more then enough for 10,000 $10 clients.

I can throw in an extra $2,000 for 10-15 more megabits giving me -40 megabits total-.

This is multi homed bandwidth too.
Totla: $6000-8000 for rack space and bandwidth for 10,000 clients.


Any quesitons?

:D

ok, your right....so find us a quality location to get multihomed bandwidth at those rates that would be around long enough and reliable enough to give you the stability it takes to reach 10k clients.

$8k for 40mbp multihomed bw and a few racks is possible if you dont use tier 1 providers. Rates just dont get cheap enough unless you need 50mbp or actually more like 100mbp.

How many hosts with 10k shared clients dont use tier1, raise your hands. Lets hope those peaks dont go above 40mbp or your 10k clients will find a new host.

ah damnit.... I just realized all three of my replies are quotes from the same user "mrbling" . This was not intentional, I did not mean to sound like I was attacking you. I replied to the posts I thought just needed some grounding in reality.

nac.net is a tier2 provider (the provider everybody loves in here)
yipes.com is a tier2 provider

I think we can say many hosting providers use tier2 providers.

unless you are looking for bandwidth in denmark, $175 per megabit at ds3 rate will have 30 isps running up to your door for your business.


If you knew how many clients bobcare supports, you will know MANY HUGE companies utilize offshore support.

Jag, you are surely naive about prices.

Originally posted by mrbling
nac.net is a tier2 provider (the provider everybody loves in here)
yipes.com is a tier2 provider

I think we can say many hosting providers use tier2 providers.

unless you are looking for bandwidth in denmark, $175 per megabit at ds3 rate will have 30 isps running up to your door for your business.


If you knew how many clients bobcare supports, you will know MANY HUGE companies utilize offshore support.

I never said bobcares didnt support a lot of clients, I never said this post was directed at or had anything to do with bobcares. I said no company with 10k clients on this board will out source support. If you can find even one then by all means tell us and prove me wrong.


Jag, you are surely naive about prices.


Naive about prices? Are you even in the United States? Ive spent the last three months on the phone and sending emails around to a great deal of providers. Your so called facts are way off!

Originally posted by mrbling
unless you are looking for bandwidth in denmark, $175 per megabit at ds3 rate will have 30 isps running up to your door for your business.

Well you had better add Houston to that list then, at a full DS3 (aka 45mbps) you wont find less than $200 mbp here. If you want fiber beyond the 50mbp mark you will certainly break the $200mbp rate but hey your scenario only had you paying for 40mbps. And what about that second provider for multihomed traffic, there goes another $200 per mbp so your up to $400 per mbp for 40mbps of multihomed traffic. Thats already double your figure of $8k for bandwidth.

The problem with this business is everyone is so quick to say they know it all. This why there is an entire planet of people in hosting that have no business being there.

I'll be the first to admit I dont know it all. I welcome you to post something you can factually backup to disprove me and I will be happy to say I was wrong.

Actually becoming a millionare is EASY! Getting to be an millionare is even easier. Watch...

I am a millionare.

Originally posted by mrbling
I would use around 15-20 servers for this operation.

One question to you:
All I hear from you is "I would...". If it's that easy, why don't you do it? Don't you like to be a millionaire???

this week was good, i got 5 sign ups lol :)

Sure Jag,
ADDR.COM

moved their whole operation to india, thats one.

Satisified?

I thought so. Your wrong on all accounts so proving you wrong is too easy.



Originally posted by Jag


I never said bobcares didnt support a lot of clients, I never said this post was directed at or had anything to do with bobcares. I said no company with 10k clients on this board will out source support. If you can find even one then by all means tell us and prove me wrong.




Naive about prices? Are you even in the United States? Ive spent the last three months on the phone and sending emails around to a great deal of providers. Your so called facts are way off!

Originally posted by mrbling
Sure Jag,
ADDR.COM

moved their whole operation to india, thats one.

Satisified?

I thought so. Your wrong on all accounts so proving you wrong is too easy.


Im wrong on all accounts eh, whatever. Im not wasting my time with you and your ridiculous remarks any longer. If anything you said was remotely true and you could back it up, they you and everyone in the hosting industry would use that method .... do you think people aren't millionares becuase they choose not to be?

HAAHAHAHAHAHHA

You asked me to show you one host, I showed you one host,
If you can't keep up an arguement, don't try it :)

just keep on calling names, thats all you can do I Guess :)
let the big boys play

who's next.


Originally posted by Jag


Im wrong on all accounts eh, whatever. Im not wasting my time with you and your ridiculous remarks any longer. If anything you said was remotely true and you could back it up, they you and everyone in the hosting industry would use that method .... do you think people aren't millionares becuase they choose not to be?

Im done with this thread, there is no point in trying to reason with stupidity.

Originally posted by mrbling
HAAHAHAHAHAHHA

You asked me to show you one host, I showed you one host,
If you can't keep up an arguement, don't try it :)

just keep on calling names, thats all you can do I Guess :)
let the big boys play

who's next.


I guess your going to drag me back into this to prove a point.

direct from addr.com:

"Addr.com opened a new office in Colorado
With the dawning of the new century, Addr.com opened a new office in beautiful Denver, Colorado. We now have offices in San Jose, California and Denver, Colorado to better serve our expanding Internet clientele. "

http://www.addr.com/news.cgi

Since when are these cities in India ? :eek:

I say again, prove your point and I will be happy to admit I was wrong about the outsourcing. But hey, that still doesnt prove a thing. Why arent you commenting on the bandwidth or math I posted in the last 5-6 posts?

This is one of the most annoying threads I've seen in a long while. Waaayy OT, too.

Where's appletreats when you need him? :D

Ya, its apparant me and mrbling just have a very different point of view and are off on the wrong foot.

Lets say we think very differently about this topic and leave it behind us, shall we?

You can get a concussion pounding your head against a brick wall, as tempting as it is to crush it to pieces. :D :D

why would a host post where their call center is?

http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=46262&highlight=addr.com

try reading that.

didn't you say you were done with this thread, don't say "I'm done with this thread" when you will come back 3 minutes later.

hahahahahah



this thread is better then 30 hosts bashing a specific host every day.
I know most of you like to sit around and bash other hosts, sorry no bashing here, just an exchange of what a REAL business should be :)

Originally posted by Jag



I say again, prove your point and I will be happy to admit I was wrong about the outsourcing.

Guess somebody will be admitting they are wrong :)


I'd like to argue with you about bandwidth prices but it would be retarded because bandwidth prices/rack can all be obtained at various prices.

I can get purchase a 50 mbit like from a person who has a verio gig-e for $100 per mbit, just because you can't buy it for $175 , doesn't mean nobody else can.

So again, why would I argue about bandwidth prices with you? You have nothing to stand on.

I can pick up bandwdith at

$30 a mbit
$50 a mbit
$100 a mbit
$150 a mbit
$175 a mbit
$200 a mbit

tier1 bandwidth, tier2 badnwidth/ multi homed bandwidth.

Easily.
Ask anybody who buys bandwidth in bulk here and they will tell you the exact same thing.

Great, you've shown us a link where addr outsourced support and I stand corrected, you've found one.

Addr does happen to have a horrible reputation right now, how long will it take for that to eat away at the client base?

I dont suppose any of this posting back and forth makes a difference anyways, at least not a positive difference. What was this thread about? We seem to have forgot when we got all caught up in this useless debate.

Originally posted by mrbling
This is the internet right?
why do you hire employees that costs $3000 onsite when you can get the same admin or programmer for $300 from india?

You guys REALLY do not know how to conserve cash and utilize the power of the internet.

silly silly silly..



Lets see $5000, $300 employee, I can hand you 15 employees.

I think thats enough is that not? :)

how do you think bobcares make money? surely not by hiring $3000 dollar employees

Hahahahhahahahahahahahaah
$300.00/mth employees?? LOL :cartman:

I think it's best we stop feeding the troll. :rolleyes:

heres the conclusion to this thread,

the problem with most companies are, they can't think out of the box, they have to walk the same path everybody else walks, that is why most companies do not make money and fail.

If someone tells you , you haev to hire a lawyer for $2000 or you have to hire an onsite employee for $3000, ask yourself why?

Why do I have to hire this? Is there any other better way?
Do I have to follow mindlessly what other people say and do?

The answer is no.

People who can think for themselves are the ones who succeed and make it big.


Good night everybody :) Hope everybody makes lots of bling bling!

Originally posted by mrbling
heres the conclusion to this thread,


I guess that you mean "here is my conclusion of this thread"
Also, if its so easy to become millionaire, why don't you are one?

Originally posted by Jedito


I guess that you mean "here is my conclusion of this thread"
Also, if its so easy to become millionaire, why don't you are one?

Please find and point out the part I have said becoming a millionaire was easy...

If you can't find it, please try to review your postings for any mistakes before you post.

Thank You

hehe
that was my polite customer service (got to have good customer service :) tone..

my usual tone would be

hey retard, when did I ever say making a million was easy? you still hang out with the dumb kids who ride the short bus or what?

:)

Originally posted by mrbling
hehe
that was my polite customer service (got to have good customer service :) tone..

my usual tone would be

hey retard, when did I ever say making a million was easy? you still hang out with the dumb kids who ride the short bus or what?

:)
When does school go back? :cartman:

I hate 13 yr old wanna be trolls. :rolleyes: :stickout

I post it again in case you have mist it, MrBling:


Originally posted by mrbling
I would use around 15-20 servers for this operation.


One question to you:
All I hear from you is "I would...". If it's that easy, why don't you do it? Don't you like to be a millionaire???

Originally posted by mrbling
hehe
that was my polite customer service (got to have good customer service :) tone..

my usual tone would be

hey retard, when did I ever say making a million was easy? you still hang out with the dumb kids who ride the short bus or what?

:)

My usual reaction would be to break your nose. ;)

You said that would be easy inplicity in all your post.

How I hate those pretentius ******** who think that know everything.

Can you take it off site? Half of this thread is in no way related to the original topic. And to think I had a post deleted earlier for being off topic , and there are a hundred in this one thread. :rolleyes:

That's what happens on discussion forums. :)

But, thanks to your post, Chris, I had to read this thread from the beginning. :rolleyes: And try to see where it went off track. I think the thread started off track and then found a track and then stayed on that track, thanks to some engineer (that shall go nameless :D ) and then I found a different thread. :D

Hi

We run all our sites from Russia and tech cost in our country is $500-$700/month. To support 10000 customers with 13000 domains you need 4-5t full time.

BTW, respond time will be 5-10 minutes... 24/7 and ALL customers will be more than happy ;)

OK, that's more than enough, folks.