I posted a few weeks back asking for anyone interested in a Design/Hosting partnership. I got a response, but then I received an emaiil from him today that he does not want to work with our name.

I'm looking for someone willing to do the design, and any banner/other customizations that come along when needed. In exchange you will benefit from the free advertising of the company which will include "Design Work". You will receive, and can hire, anyone that you need for a period of eight months. If after the eight months, the partnership is going good, I'll most likely keep you, and anyone else you are working with.

I am wanting this for FREE (in exchange for the partnership), I do not want any offers saying, we do not want to do the partnership but are willing to give you design for $XXX. I hate that, just read the post!

The name is "grayToast". If you think you can work with me, let me know. I'm going for a more unique name that will stick in people's heads when they see it. Yes it is wierd, but so is "goDaddy". I believe as long as we come off as very professional it can turn into something very successful.

Also, I already have advertising lined up.

Drop me a line at: lowrance@cobaltconnection.com or I can be contacted on

ICQ: 18780743
AIM: CobaltConnection

I'm not usually on AIM, if you wanna talk there, drop me a quick email saying to get on.

When corresponding via email, please include any work that you have done.

Please no PMs, as they will not be responded to.

Thanks,

Brian Lowrance

i dont see how u can run a legitamate business over emails and IMs. there are too many untrustworthy people out there. ur just asking for trouble.

???

Let me get this straight...

You want a designer to work for free (+ advertising) while you charge the customers for design?

Is that the partnership?

Am I missing something?

The designer gets all design work..and 100% of the funds..

I guess you could call it a partnership, I'm getting a design for free, and any work as I need it, and the designer is getting clients as they come...partnership? call it what you will

aka you're screwing them if you don't get them any business.

thanks for the positive post jayjay, it's appreciated and benefited the post for all who read

Sure, they should know that already.

I know a few people in the same type of ""partnerships"" and they've been totally lied and bull****ted too, just to get a free design. The people don't even market or advertise that they give a web hosting service, they expect people just to come.

that's great jayjay

i believe you are accusing me of bull****ting and lieing and you don't even know me...that's not very nice, and basically it is just asking for a flame war

very stupid

putting jayjay's constructive comments aside, if anyone is interested and would like more information, contact me

i believe you are accusing me of bull****ting and lieing and you don't even know me...that's not very nice, and basically it is just asking for a flame war

Why are you getting mad about it? I'm just telling people what could happen.

I bet some designers will come in and tell you the same thing.

ur right. jayjay is wrong for assuming u are bull****ting.

howerver, he is right in that ur propostition is one sided.

I'm getting mad? I'm responding to your post..the only thing I'm seeing out of your comments are negative things...

If anyone has any sense, they know what can happen, what is the point of filling up a legitimate post with stuff that doesn't need to be said?

I am a designer. I have had my share of freelance projects and internet based business relationships. Just like jayjay said, you get lied to, and royally screwed everytime. Everytime someone wants a site designed, the client wants to do it on some barter system. Most people wanting to do it on a barter system don't understand how hard it is just starting up a company. You could have the best idea for your companies web presence and STILL have it fail due any number of possibilities. I have heard many a "promises" from people looking to contract me for design projects. I have taken them on and the person either A.) Ditches the company seeing how hard it is B.) Is lazy and can barely get his work done let alone find design work for me C.) Is totally lieing and is trying to get a website designed for free. The fact is you are presenting no referances or abilites that you can come through with what you promise. Just your "word". Cept the main stumbling block here is that design is not some cheap quick little thing. For a high quality professional design it takes time, planning and effort. A websites design can make or break a company. I know this because if i go to a website and see that its poorly designed i get poor impressions of its professionalism. you have to figure a certain percentage of your audience is going to think the EXACT same thing. Also 90% of the clients i have worked with underestimate the work and cost for design. This makes it increasingly difficult picking up clients and getting work. I am not saying your intentions arn't genuine, i just think you havn't really considered exactley how hard it is to bring in clients, let alone do that at while trying to start up your business/run your business. I think you need to factor into your budget the cost for a designer. Shop around and contract one with the skills you require. Format a strategy for creating a website that will improve the performance of your business. And if you have the skills to really bring in design clients, then add it as a service on your website and contract out designers for the work. A designer thats not going to get a paid for a website design is not going to give you 100% effort.

(Now since most computer geeks are ego-manical and start a complete DOS attack warzone anytime someone questions there integrity. Your probobly now going to reply about how I am stupid and acting like a know it all and your YEARS of experience are going to get the designer you hire, tons of design jobs. And that I know nothing about business. Just a guess...)

Just my two cents on the matter.

Peace, -HEAD

rlynch

The designer will benefit just as just as the me. I plan on having the designer make all the banners, so any information about design that they want to include, they can...one sided? Let me know how I can balance it out if you still think it is..

I'm getting mad? I'm responding to your post..the only thing I'm seeing out of your comments are negative things...

That makes two of us.


If anyone has any sense, they know what can happen,


Some people don't think.

what is the point of filling up a legitimate post with stuff that doesn't need to be said?

Exactly.. why are you still talking?

djhead

I know how hard it is. I've been doing it for a year, this month. I don't have many clients, in part I believe because of my name, and design. I figure that if I can find a designer as passionate about his work as me, it will turn into a successful partnership.

I believe "grayToast" would stick in people's head if advertised effectively, and if it has a good design, the designer will receive work, they will see the abilities of the designer through the design of the page.

Currently I do not have a lot of clients, but it is enough to get a pretty good advertising campaign going. I also have a deal with a friend for One month advertising on WHT...

If you are actually interested, I'd be more than willing to discuss my strategy and current funding

jayjay

read your posts, think a little, it may do you good

i'm done responding to you

How does the designer know that you're actually giving him/her the 100% of the fee you're charging your customer?

For example, you might say to the desginer $100 for each complete site design, and go out and charge your customer $200 for the site.

Sure, you might broker the deal, but you're saying that designer gets 100% of the funds..

What guarantees that he gets 100%??

just wondering.

jayjay

read your posts, think a little, it may do you good

i'm done responding to you


I'AM thinking, that's why you got upset.

big_smooth

The designer will get an email address like "design@graytoast.com", which all requests will be sent to...all design work/requests/questions are handled by the designer. I just handle hosting

designing is significantly harder than hosting wouldnt u say.

yea i would...what's your point though?