Hi all,

We currently offer to host http://www.yourdomain.com with:

250MB of web space
5000MB bandwidth
50 POP Email
50 Email Autoresponders
CGI, PHP, mySQL, SSI
Unlimited subdomain names
Control Panel
SSL
FrontPage Extension
and more

This package is FREE OF CHARGE. No ads, no banners.
Single setup fee of $14 or £10 and that's it.

This special offer will end on 29 June 2001.

Regards,


Vincent
Directoris Ltd
info@directoris.com
http://www.directoris.com

OK, let me get this straight.

$14 setup and you have no other fees for as long as you stay in business? AND you get 5GB traffic per month, 250MB disk space?

If this is true, then where do you expect your revenue stream to come from?

Yeah, what the f!

What's the catch?

Damm .. I can't compete with that .. I better sell the company and go work for the suits

Originally posted by Dylan
Yeah, what the f! What's the catch?

:beer:

Sorry Guys I can't talk much about my services because of the rules but what I can tell you is that the catch is called: Special Offer. That's it!

But email me directly for further information and other special offers coming up soon.

At the attention of CRego3D: Again, it's a special offer. Don't you worry!!!

At the attention of the Admin: See, I played by the rules this time. Thanks for your great forums anyway.

Vincent

The fact that your order page is not secured alone sends off a few flags

Freakscene,

Please, refresh your pages.

We are testing a new secure server at the moment and what you saw was problably a test page. Sorry about that.

We do not play with the secruty on the internet. That's for sure! If you want to purchase our hosting plan, just edit and print the Order Form.

Regards,

Vincent

I guess it was only a matter of time Vincent, that with you SPAMMING almost every Bulletin Board you can find, you'd finally end up posting it in the proper Forum. Although from your Posting above, it sounds like you had trouble here as well.

Loss Leaders have been around since the day after Marketing was invented. Using it the way you are though, could come back to "bite you" very hard. You make mention of when the "special pricing ends" but make no mention (in this post) of whether the $14 is for Lifetime Hosting. I also wonder how bad the "nickel & dime" costs will be.

Saying "Single setup fee of $14 or £10 and that's it." just won't cut it -- because that's not it -- and you know it! Businesses run "Specials" everyday, to be incorrect in your Marketing statement, will also come back to "bite you."

Originally posted by directoris
Sorry Guys I can't talk much about my services because of the rules

Actually, Vincent, you can talk about your company here. It is the advertising forum. The only place you are allowed to promote your company.

Rob,

What are you talking about? Why telling lies about my business? Are you a competitor?

Since you are talking about marketing let me explain to you what I am doing here:

I know that I can provide a good hosting service but I don't have enough custumers to proove it. At least, not yet! So, what I decided to do was to setup a special offer in order to attract the first clients. And I am sure they will be happy.
And you know what? They will talk about my service and they will recommend it. Mouth to ears.

You know, Ben, rather to spend your time on the forums, posting your disgraceful messages you should mind your own business, sometimes. We are working very hard here, at Directoris, and the last thing we want is reading messages like yours.

Regarding my offer, yes, the $14 is for Lifetime Hosting. As long as you do not pass the limits: 250 MB of space and 5000MB bandwidth. Does it hurt you?

If you want to attack me, do it if you like but do it fairly. Tell everyone who you are, first. And please always talk about the things you know. Stop inventing, guessing or drinking maybe.

Regards,

Vincent

Vincent,

While your idea about getting the word out is a nice one, you are inadvertantly stabbing yourself in the back.

1. If people recommend how good you are and they tell their friends about the rate that they got from you, you better be prepared to offer it to everyone considering that you will not get the signups if you don't.

2. What you are giving away for "free" as you put it is quite a bit. If you had 100 people sign up for your service, you can rest assured that they are the ones who will utilize the 5GB/mo transfer they are entitled to. Doing 1st grade math, that adds up to 500GB/mo -- and you have no revenue stream. How do you plan to pay for it? You will have to have high prices for your new customers. And that is the double edged sword. You won't get any takers at the high prices. Not to mention the customer support you will need to give, you will be out of business before the summer.

Take some friendly advice and cut back on the bandwidth. Space is not the problem because people will not (for the most part) use it up. But bandwidth, my friend, is the killer. For "free" hosting, give 500MB/mo. Even that's a bit high, but at least it is managable.

But as many hosts here have already mentioned it, average transfer usage per account is about 300-500MB/mon. It's unlikely that out of 100 people, 100 of them will use 5GB of transfer per month. In this respect, this business is a gambling. Of course, he can also terminate an account based on his TOS, for example an account using too much of server resources. Anyway, it's all OK.

The thing I don't understand: is the deal free for the rest of the account's life (5 years, 10 years, etc)? Wah, then... this is really not worthed (IMHO) as your advertising strategy (word of mouth). It's even cheaper, I think to just pay an ad than to be commited for such long time commitment with no profit.

just my two cents,

cheers,
:beer:

I agree about the average use bit, but why put that upper limit in then? Remember, you are GIVING this account away! At least protect yourself. It's not like you are trying to get them to upgrade to a higher package!

Seems like there would be a lot of worry of having someone sign up using different credit cards and possibly aliases. Several accounts later, their MP3 site has accumulated 5000 GB of bandwidth, 250 GB disk and runs mirrors of each site on your server as well.

I don't know what your intent is, but two things, you should give out small 'personal' accounts, like a GeoCities type thing, 20 MB disk, no IP address, yourname.com, email, etc. THis would allow them to explore most features (except MySQL, SSL, and a few others), but they would have the ability to get the feel for your servers' connectivity and speed.

- or -

"Free" sets off one of those 'marketing' alerts. Maybe you should offer 'reduced rates'.

Dear Vincent,

As per your offer I will suggest you to go in Casino and gamble rather then risking your investment in these types of offers. In Casino you may have 50-50 chances of win or loss, but in this deal I can't see any winning probability.

We don't want to discourage nor we are scared of you since web hosting market is huge cake to share with new companies without sacrifising our own share.

We can only aware you, choice is yours. If you want to be in this industry for long run, you must re consider your offer. I agree that the word of mouth is most effective way of marketing but don't forget other factors:

1. Your offer sounds too good to be true.
2. Not all people are risk seeker like you the one and will prefer to take a free account to run their business.
3. Belief that there is nothing called free in the market. Lots of company have several hidden cost, which make people scary.
4. Bad experience with previous companies who promised fortune and ran away after some time.
5. Human nature (most important) - people hardly share their good experience until they have been approached. But don't miss chance to share the bad one.

"...you can keep some people happy all the time,
all people some time but not all the people all
the time..."

After some time you may find some people demarketing for your company, which will directly opposed to your word of mouth marketing policy (the base of this offer)?????

Ahh... Vincent, if you can't take the heat -- stay out of the kitchen.

I'm not the only one that can see "there's something wrong with this picture" when it comes to a Marketing ploy such as you have stated. Maybe you didn't like the fact, that I cut right to the heart, on a few things you had mentioned?

Some Hosting companies forget to include the cost of support and "unforeseeable" expenses. They focus (to their detriment) on costs for Web space, Data Transfer, and whatever else, is done through automatic setup. They forget the "human side" to running a Web business, which can cost more.

Oh well, nuff said.

Is it okay if I send you $20 U.S. cash?
You can keep the change

I'm going to sign up after you confirm

Hi all,

nuff, yes I can stand the heat. What I can't stand is disgraceful comments, like the one you posted, that damage my business. That's it. Now, if there is something wrong with this picture, there's nothing I can do about it! And don't worry about the human side, I know how much it costs. I know that your intention was to protect people from cons, and I can understand your position. But please, make sure that you got the right target before opening the fire. Thanks.

Then, m6.net, good post. Really! I'm not sure about the 50-50 at the casino, but what I'm sure is that I know what I'm doing. Again, I really appreciated what you just said but if you were wrong? What do you prefer, having 1 client paying $100 or 100 clients paying $1 ? I know that I can manage my business with thousands of clients. That's why, and for a limited period of time, I chose the second option. I'm afraid that it works very very well at the moment. You will see the proofs soon.

Others, I'm not opening thousands of accounts at the moment. I just get thousands of hits! Also, web hosting is not the main activity of Directoris. Please just wait a few weeks and you'll see what we can also offer. Directoris is a huge project and I personally devoted 2 years of my life to it. What you see is just the beginning.

Finally, hostmaster2k, we don't take cash. Sorry. But cheques are OK.

Thank you all for your suggestions and your very useful comments.

Regards,

Vincent

Originally posted by directoris
What do you prefer, having 1 client paying $100 or 100 clients paying $1 ? I know that I can manage my business with thousands of clients. That's why, and for a limited period of time, I chose the second option.

There's a maxim of the service industry called the 80/20 rule:
80 % of your customers bring in only 20% of your income, yet consume 80% of your time.
The remaining 20% of your clients bring in 80% of your income, take only 20% of your time, and are the best bet.

This is a basis of nearly every service business, and should be considered. Raising prices helps offset this, and results in more profit for less work. You want to get your prices to the level where the 20% of the clients are the main part of clientell and you 'lose' the 80% trouble makers/time consumers that aren't worth the cash they pay.

Let's take an example here of your offer, and let's just limit it to a year's hosting, not open ended like it seems (is it?), and let's say you smartly limit it to the first 100 people to reply (for safety's sake), and I won't even consider physical (hardware/bandwidth/check-account fees/etc) costs, just human minimum:
100 people times $14 = $1400
2 1/2 minutes devoted to each account for setup, check cashing, etc (very low end): 250 minutes.
5 minutes devoted to the minimum of 1 in 5 accounts for tech support that will have a problem: 100 minutes.
The hour or so you've already spent here justifying the bargain, and setting it up on your webpage, etc.: 60 minutes.
So let's see, that's 410 minutes of work minimum so far for $1400 of income, no hardware/etc costs deducted.

Now what if you at a minimum doubled your rate to $28 a year, which is still extremely low, and lost 1/2 your clients. You are still making $1400 for half the work load.
Then you keep raising the rate slowly until you find the balance point. Pretty soon you will make enough to pay some of the hardware cost, yet still have a cheap alternative for a loss leader, and not shoot yourself in the foot!

Loss leaders are a great idea for marketing and bringing in the clients, but most companies limit them in amount/timespan/etc so that they don't bankrupt the company. Even if hosting is just a small part of your company, you don't want it to draw resources (time & money) AWAY from the rest of the company, you want it to enhance the company as a whole.

Just some advice/thoughts, not a slam.
Steelsun

ok
I'll send a check

It's a pretty good offer


And as for you all
Why are you all trying to discourage him?
It's more like HATE than ADVICE

Let him do what he wants

From your site
5000MB Monthly Data Transfer
Each time your site is accessed data is transferred across the Internet, our transfer limits are high, less than 1% of our customers exceed them. Should you exceed your limit, simply pay a small surcharge

How much is the small surcharge

Also is there a demo for the control panel?

How many accounts can one person get?

Also... do we have to register domain with you? If we do, how much do you charge for the renewal fee each year? Thanks...

cheers,
:beer:

Although some of the comments (like mine) have been strongly worded and not many "Rah Rah" comments, it is because the positive side of the offer made, is obvious and self-explanatory.

As nobody forced the original Posting to made, the Poster thought they had something good to offer. Trouble is, a lot of people making responses in this thread are experienced in running a Web based business and/or experienced in running a business, period. Just as a computer is still a computer -- regardless of hardware or OS -- a business is still a business -- regardless of product or service. Certain models & methods will always apply.

So instead of focusing on the obvious, most of us can see where present & future problems might crop up, and focus on them. Most of us (I know I am) are probably very interested in what directoris.com is doing and look at it as an experiment in Marketing. As a Web Hoster myself, I know that when I consider a Marketing campaign, I have to consider "current & future" customers. Makes no sense to offer an excellent deal to future customers, only to realize the offer will drive the company broke and leave all my clients SOL.

That is the concern being expressed in this thread. Not the offer itself, but what happens to maybe thousands of people who signed up as clients, only to end up with a bankrupt Hoster? I'm not saying that it will happen. Experienced business owners can see the possibility of it, being greater than the norm and so make mention of it. This thread is actually turning out to be a very good example of Web Hosting Marketing -- pro's & con's.

Maybe it will work out great for directoris.com and all their clients. From where I sit and what was offered: that dog don't hunt!

Sorry guys for being late. Here are the answers to your questions:

1.- How much is the small surcharge?
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Monthly Bandwidth:

5000 MB: Free (included in the current offer)
5100 MB: $35 / Year
5200 MB: $65 / Year
5500 MB: $100 / Year
6000 MB: $250 / Year
7000 MB: $280 /Year
+ 7000 MB: contact us

Web space:

250 MB: Free (included in the current offer)
300 MB: $25 /Year
350 MB: $40 / Year
400 MB: $65 / Year
500 MB: $90 / Year

If you have any special requirement, please tell us exactly what you need and we will send you a quotation in return, free of charge.


2.- Also is there a demo for the control panel?
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No, but you CAN control everything.


3.- How many accounts can one person get?
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You get one account per domain and subdomain. This will allow you to offer hosting plans under your own domain name. Each subdomain get the same package as for any domain name except that we give 50MB of space and 250MB bandwidth.


4.- Do we have to register domain with you?
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No. We just transfer existing domains. Partners very welcome, btw.


5.- This thread is actually turning out to be a very good example of Web Hosting Marketing -- pro's & con's.
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I totally agree with you. I just want to add, to be clear on this, that this special offer is and will stay a special offer until the 29th June 2001. I didn't want to mess up the web hosting industry but simply catch the attention. Done.


Thank you again for your posts and good luck with your businesses.


Best regards,

Vincent

Ai! There's the catch! You're going to suck the blood out of your clients!

Your surcharges are obsurd and back to front!

Ok, let's go:

I've been to your website, Dylan, and I made some calculation.

So, if I need 500MB of space with you I'll have to pay $39.95 a month ($479.40 a year). With me, you just pay $90.00 a year. Absurd?

Again, the aim of Directoris is to help and support the small businesses worldwide. Therefore, if someone ask me for 1Gb of space and 20Gb bandwidth a month, I will assume he can afford to pay a bit more. MP3 businesses excluded!

Anyway, my intention is not to convince you.


Regards,

Vincent

Actually, you only pay $69.95 a year.

$39.95 a year for 200mb diskspace and 3gb bandwidth a month and if you require extra diskspace, in your example, then an additional $30 a year for 300mb more diskspace (giving you a total of 500mb diskspace). This is for a shared environment.

The monthly plan, that you were calculating on, is a less shared environment, ie. we only put 20 clients per server.

Diskspace is not the issue. We very seldom charge our clients for overusage.

I was mainly referring to your bandwidth costs which seem off the charts.

If someone wants an extra 100mb a month, you going to charge them $35 a year, right? That works out to $29 a gb a month. Even better, if they want an extra 2gb a month, you going to charge them $280 a year? Which works out to $11 a gb a month.

I have never ever seen prices so sky high.
$3 to $5 per gb a month sounds more reasonable.

Correct me if I'm wrong with my calculations.

Directoris,

You have a great offer and I hope much success to you and your business. There is a few problems with your web site that you should address. (Please understand I'm coming from a helping stand point, I'm not cutting on you rather trying to help you prevent a problem before it arises)

On your homepage you have the Better Business Bureau's Logo depicting you are a member of the local chapter. We are proud members of the Washington DC Metro Chapter of the Better Business Bureau and in the welcome package they explicitly state you are not allowed to use their Logo in advertising.

An excerpt from their Statement of Policy: Use of the Better Business Bureau Name & Logo --

"The Bureau's name and logo are held as federally registered trademakrs by our national organization, the Council of Better Business Bureaus. National and local Beter Business Bureaus policies PROHIBIT the commercial use of our name and logo. This restriction extends to all advertising, sales presentations, and promotional literature. This means YOU MAY NOT use Bureau membership as a reference or in printed material"

You might want to take their logo of your web site, you could end up in litegation and the fees your charging now won't get you a good lawyer.

Yours Truly,

I just noticed a little similarity between your site and 4d Webhosting.

4d Web Hosting
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Each time your site is accessed data is transferred across the Internet, our transfer limits are high, less than 1% of our customers exceed them. Data transfer can be monitored in real-time via your control panel.

Directoris.com
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Each time your site is accessed data is transferred across the Internet, our transfer limits are high, less than 1% of our customers exceed them. Should you exceed your limit, simply pay a small surcharge.

anyone else spot it?

In fact the similarities don't stop there, take a look at http://www.4dhosting.com/system/index.html and http://www.directoris.com/ser/int/host/index.html and read the descriptions of each feature near the bottom. Pretty much word for word. Now I don't know if you are the same company or if one of you have stolen the content of the other, but it is one of those two.

Bit too much time on your hands KDA? :)
Spotting those differences is pretty mad heh

Craig

Guys, I think we are wasting our time. Leave Vincent alone, since he knows what exactly he is doing:-)

Originally posted by Craig
Bit too much time on your hands KDA? :)
Spotting those differences is pretty mad heh

Craig

Nope, I was checking out the competition, and when you've just read something on one site and then read it on another it sets alarm bells ringing.

With over 2,000 members, and who knows how many heavy-breathing lurkers, you'd be surprised at how many times people notice one site that has 'borrowed' content from another.

Search for a catch phrase that you have on your site (unique to your site). I wouldn't be surprised if a few pages come up in the SEs.

I must say, the recent ones that copied the human click code aren't all that bright. Guess they don't realize that that script tracks pages, etc. Too funny.

Originally posted by directoris
What do you prefer, having 1 client paying $100 or 100 clients paying $1 ? I know that I can manage my business with thousands of clients.

I'm just a user, so I don't claim to be an expert on this sort of stuff, but it seems like simple math to me:

1 users will use a max of 5000 meg of bandwidth and 250 meg of space. His $100 will help to offset that.

100 users will use a max of 500000 meg of bandwidth and 25000 of space. I don't think their combined $100 is going to help too much. Even using the averages mentioned, if everyone averages 500 meg/month you're looking at 50 gig a month. Geez.

Anyhow, it's your plan. I guess I'll have to look into it, since I'm designing a site for my church and being a non-profit, they don't have a very big budget (or very big demands.) At least It'll help bring down your averages. :)

Oh, btw, hi everyone! Long time, no see. :)

Hi,

This does sound like it is scam.

Has anyone bought it?

Something interesting about them:
They are hosted on the famous UK company http://www.donhost.co.uk but they do have their own DNS servers and IP address.
Ahhh...almost a real host.

I don't quite trust them;
They have little information about themselves...

Interesting.....

I signed up a few weeks ago, and have been satisfied so far. My account was set up in less than a day and any support requests I've sent have been responded to the same day, or if I send it at night, a response is there the next morning.

mySQL, PHP, POP3 emails and autoresponders all working fine and control panel is pretty good.

I asked to have a bunch of subdomains set up because I can't do it myself in the control panel yet, and they were done in a few hours.

I set up one of those site monitors about a week ago (it only checks it every 3 hours), but as you can see, there have only been 2 unsuccessful attempts out of 130 (is this good?).

Test Interval (minutes): 180
Attempts to Connect: 130
Successful Attempts: 128
Unsuccessful Attempts: 2

It also gives some statistics on response time like the following. Mostly OK, except something going on on day 3.

Day of Week #Connections Average Response Time (ms)
0 16 109
1 16 111
2 18 109
3 30 905
4 16 113
5 16 117
6 16 112


So far I'm happy. This is only my second experience with a web host, as I recently moved from another that I was with for only two weeks and this experience is far superior than what happened with the last, and I was paying more for the last one.

I hope this keeps up as well as it has been in the first few weeks.

Well,

The plan is great for a first timer, and is large enough for most users. That is what they should aim for.

Does anyone have a 250 mb site?

Regards.
Abbas.

Dear all,

I have actually signed up with Directoris last week and until today, I have not heard from them whatsoever and the most worrying thing is.. I have submitted information regarding my credit card with them.

If I do not hear from them by this Wednesday (since they claim that their response or setting up only requires 24 hours), I will make a formal police report in the UK (both Directoris and myself are UK-based) just to make sure that I am protecting myself in the event of a credit card fraud. Or is there a better way to prevent charging to my credit card from them?

My advise to all following this thread is not to sign up with them to avoid all the hassles that I am going through. Should have known.. sighs. :(

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Eric

Originally posted by redarrow
Dear all,

I have actually signed up with Directoris last week and until today, I have not heard from them whatsoever and the most worrying thing is.. I have submitted information regarding my credit card with them.

If I do not hear from them by this Wednesday (since they claim that their response or setting up only requires 24 hours), I will make a formal police report in the UK (both Directoris and myself are UK-based) just to make sure that I am protecting myself in the event of a credit card fraud. Or is there a better way to prevent charging to my credit card from them?

My advise to all following this thread is not to sign up with them to avoid all the hassles that I am going through. Should have known.. sighs. :(

Hope this helps.

Regards,
Eric


kindly update on how this goes. I got scared & dare not sign up.

Hi DJ,

Surprisingly when I was quite sure that the whole thing is a hoax, I received an email from Directoris saying that my account is setup! right on the same day after I had posted that message.

I am currently monitoring the server to check on its performance. Will keep you inform if it is not any good.


Hope this helps.

Regards,
Eric

so far they have been great to me. I signed up shortly after this thread started. At the time they did not have the secured server setup at the time so I did not want to pay via credit card and was uncertain about sending a check. I told them my concerns and they responded with setting up my account (before being paid) and said they had no problem with me waiting. The quote I liked best from that mail was "time for us to trust you". :)
The tech support has been great too.
I wish for nothing but the best for these guys.


jeremiah
http://www.charlotterocks.com - this is hosted there although the public can only access the splash page for the time being.

do we get ssh access?

i wouldnt have thought so. Donhost do not offer it on their reseller packages to their resellers, let alone their resold clients :)


Cheers

Craig

Hello Vincent
Will the "No ads, no banners" apply for life as well? If so, I'll sign up for sure!
Thanks
Anders

For anyone still interested in this by now fairly old thread: I enquired by email. The answer from Directoris is, "No ads, never." I am satisfied, and will sign up for two accounts a.s.a.p.
Anders

Vincent, I am very impressed with the way that you handled yourself given the nature of some of these posts. As for the rest, there are two additional old saying in the realm of business:
1) No risk, no gain....
2) A dollar today is worth more than a dollar tommorow.

I am not aware of Vincent's age or experience, but I can tell you that I do admire the spirit with which he is pursuiting his goals for Directoris. From a business point of view, I can tell you that he is using a tried and true model to develop growth. Although it does require a fair amount of risk on his part, many of the greatest companies around today started in a similar fashion.

As a very satisfied customer of Directoris, I can tell you that he has delivered exactly what he has promised. Even the support is nothing short of excellent in timing and content.

His return? Well, I am a little different from most customers. When I encounter an excellent company I promote that knowledge every bit as much as I do when I encounter a less than satisfactory company or product. I have been telling just about everyone that I know about Directoris simply because I know that I am receiving an excellent service for a cost that is by far below its market value. It only seems appropriate that I should attempt to make up for that by assisting growth when the opportunity arises.

I just signed up and I couldn't be happier! Support is great, and the package comes with everything I need. A+!

There's is only one day left before the free hosting offer ends so I suggest you sign up fast :cool:

:// Matt (www.harrypotterfun.com)

...trying to do that now that the 6/29 cut-off is fast approaching. So far everyone that I have referred is very pleased with their service. That makes me happy because I *almost* ;) felt a bit guilty for taking advantage of the offer he extended.

how do you sign up?

Here is the url that has a chart showing what is included and tells you how to sign up. It took around 24 hours for my account to get activated. You do need a domain name and depending upon your host it can take anywhere from 24-72 hours for the nameservers to point to Directoris after the appropriate names have been changed. Once you sign up, if you want to start the process of changing the nameservers with your domain host in advance of receiving your account activation information, just send me an email and I will help you out.

http://www.directoris.com/ser/int/host/index.html

Originally posted by directoris
I know that I can provide a good hosting service but I don't have enough custumers to proove it. At least, not yet! So, what I decided to do was to setup a special offer in order to attract the first clients. And I am sure they will be happy.
And you know what? They will talk about my service and they will recommend it. Mouth to ears.
Obviously directoris, or rather, Vincent, you don't get to rent that big OC12/48 pipe for free. What are you doing, not charging a single penne monthly to host your clients' websites?

Yup yup, you can't prove you can provide a good hosting service until your company gets enough clients. Here's a bonus you don't want to miss: you can't prove your company can stay afloat after acquiring a critical mass of client base.

With that in mind, I forecast your company to start charging monthly fees for the web hosting service. However, your clients have gotten used to the FREE web hosting service that they will leave when you start charging them.

It's like, damned if you do, damned if you don't. No monthly fees equals another F_____ Company (http://www.f---edcompany.com/). [ No offence, it happens more often than you think. :P ] Yes to monthly fees equals losing customers in the short term, and therefore, your profits.

Which Road of Damnation would you like to have?

Regarding my offer, yes, the $14 is for Lifetime Hosting. As long as you do not pass the limits: 250 MB of space and 5000MB bandwidth. Does it hurt you?
I wouldn't be surprised if some ingenious human beings could simply setup multiple accounts with your service and start delivering free warez and porn. 250MB is a lot of space for a free host, and these people love to get more space for free.

Then these people will just ignore the extra bandwidth fees. :D

Originally posted by directoris
Then, m6.net, good post. Really! I'm not sure about the 50-50 at the casino, but what I'm sure is that I know what I'm doing. Again, I really appreciated what you just said but if you were wrong? What do you prefer, having 1 client paying $100 or 100 clients paying $1 ? I know that I can manage my business with thousands of clients. That's why, and for a limited period of time, I chose the second option. I'm afraid that it works very very well at the moment. You will see the proofs soon.
With that in mind, I would prefer paying more dough to a good host over paying so much less for a host without a proven track record. These stuff counts toward your company's success and increase its chances of survival in the next few years. Lots of companies die after the first few years of service, and yours could just be another victim.

Others, I'm not opening thousands of accounts at the moment. I just get thousands of hits! Also, web hosting is not the main activity of Directoris. Please just wait a few weeks and you'll see what we can also offer. Directoris is a huge project and I personally devoted 2 years of my life to it. What you see is just the beginning.
One caveat, Vincent: this service looks very likely to drain your company's resources, despite support in other sectors of your company.

You can prove yourself or ruin yourself. All it takes is one bad business decision. BOOM, you're gone.

Good to know that people signed with "directoris" are happy and they should be. When we started M6, we need to work less than an hour everyday to keep all the clients happy. Now we are working 24 hours a day and keeping most of our clients happy. I repeat "most" not "all".

I wish these current clients are taken care and not ignored in future, when directories will have several paying clients with several issues everyday.

I have to admit that I am a bit wary since almost all of the positive posts come from people with only a handful of posts on WHT....

But I signed up anyway to give it a try. I'm willing to wager $14 on this little experiment. I hope it works well. I'll let you know.

Brad

Are they a Donhost reseller ?

directoris.com--> points to-->195.10.228.132(server6.donhost.co.uk ok)

Originally posted by Craig
i wouldnt have thought so. Donhost do not offer it on their reseller packages to their resellers, let alone their resold clients :)


found the answer..i re-read the thread again :rolleyes:
so..if Directoris is only a Donhost re-seller how can they offer 200MB space and 5,000MB transfer :confused:

Originally posted by elijah



found the answer..i re-read the thread again :rolleyes:
so..if Directoris is only a Donhost re-seller how can they offer 200MB space and 5,000MB transfer :confused:

...which means another 9kd.net :rolleyes:

Playing the odds.

We plan to do something similar soon, but would never think of offering it free for life.

Originally posted by directoris
Sorry guys for being late. Here are the answers to your questions:

1.- How much is the small surcharge?
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Monthly Bandwidth:

5000 MB: Free (included in the current offer)
5100 MB: $35 / Year
5200 MB: $65 / Year
5500 MB: $100 / Year
6000 MB: $250 / Year
7000 MB: $280 /Year
+ 7000 MB: contact us

Web space:

250 MB: Free (included in the current offer)
300 MB: $25 /Year
350 MB: $40 / Year
400 MB: $65 / Year
500 MB: $90 / Year
Holy crap. With that kind of charges I could get the gold package from F5Hosting.com. directoris, I'm like, this is the most pucked up surcharge conspiracy ever.

*** You have been banned from Printer Boy Web [ $35/year for 0.1GB over the 5GB limit? Har Har ]

This is a teriffic board and I'm glad I sort of stumbled into it. :) I have some additional info to share about Directoris that some of you may find of interest. One of the people who also left Homestead for Directoris contacted a friend who was kind enough to set up a forum. This forum is for anyone using Directoris, Websphere (an html editor), or who is simply new to using a paid hosting service. Vincent has been very helpful in his posts there. I noticed that a few people from this board have decided to use this hosting service. The url is: http://www.beyondhs.net
The board is one of several available. On th emain page, select boards. On the page that follows, select BeyondHS.net Forums. There you will see a list of available forums including one that specifically uses Directoris in the title. It would be wonderful if some of you chose to participate. :)

I read this thread with great interest.
not being familiar with Directoris, I do not mean to add to the comments about that site.
but what Steelsun has said struck a chord with me.

I have been in retail all my life, most of it as a professional candlemaker (quit laughing, there can be some good money made and good fun had).
without knowing it as a "maxim" I have found it to be true about the 20/80 principle.
I also learned to raise prices, to weed out the low-enders... yes, the cash register rings less often but it's more worth the effort every time it does-- the gross is the same or better, and the net is definitely better.
the overall trend in all businesses and professions to specialize is a reflection of this... General Practitioners are smarter doctors, but the Gall Bladder specialist is the guy making a killing and working less for more money. same with car mechanics, same with restaurants, et al, ad nauseum. businesses who "make it up in volume" are a dying breed-- KMart and WalMart have ground each other into dust, while filling our homes with sub-quality imported goods, all to make pennies on the dollar.

put out the best product, provide the best service, pay for the best materials and pay the best wages, package and market it well, then charge what it's worth... candles, cars, food, furniture, and yes, webhosting.
consumers who look only at price tags and not the product pay more in aggravation, time lost, repair and replacement, etc. than if they bought quality in the first place.

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i cannot access the website............. how about you all ?

And has been for a week, as have all their accounts. :mad:

They had a disagreement apparently with their host which resulted in a termination of their hosting before they could move to a new server, (their words).

Communication has been poor, they are expecting customers to just sit tight and wait till they get a confirmation email saying their account is set up on the new server.

maybe this is a frad ? trying to earn the setup fee and closed down company? is their setup free have 30 days back ?

Its not fraud, they just got caught out in a server move. I have no disrispect to their motives, they seem to be genuine.

My big gripe has been their poor communication with their clients in this. Most accounts have apparently been set up but I suspect I'll be one of the last to hear. I hope theyve learned from this, theyve copped a lot of criticism from their clients and I've posted harsh words myself.

If they learn from this they could be a good host in the future.

This is what i think

Well this is what happens when they run stupid offers like that you get stung, I would not want to host a business type of site when things like this happen.

When it sounds too good to be true IT IS !

Originally posted by Chicken
With over 2,000 members, and who knows how many heavy-breathing lurkers, you'd be surprised at how many times people notice one site that has 'borrowed' content from another.

Search for a catch phrase that you have on your site (unique to your site). I wouldn't be surprised if a few pages come up in the SEs.

I must say, the recent ones that copied the human click code aren't all that bright. Guess they don't realize that that script tracks pages, etc. Too funny.


Oh!!!!! Yes! Someone actually did that to us! I started getting emailed messages from my HumanClick code - but, I haven't had the code on OUR site for a long time!

Also, I once found a site that had stole all the content from our "free resources" page. The funny thing was - the thief swore that he didn't steal any of my work and it was all just a huge coincidence....but the moron left my affiliate ID links on some of the links!!!

--Tina

Originally posted by AffordableHost
but the moron left my affiliate ID links on some of the links!!!

Yes, same to me. That's the stranges thing to me:
They are too silly to make the design or buy it and they are even too silly to steal it in an intelligent way. :bawling:

Originally posted by AffordableHost
Also, I once found a site that had stole all the content from our "free resources" page. The funny thing was - the thief swore that he didn't steal any of my work and it was all just a huge coincidence....but the moron left my affiliate ID links on some of the links!!!

--Tina

Brilliant eh? I'd not mention that your affiliate links were there, possibly get some extra money. Somehow, they'd *try* to explain the big coincidence. That's just pathetic.