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RandyL712
07-26-2002, 01:38 PM
AIT charges $20 setup and $4 a month to setup a new domain name (virtual, all use a single IP address) and there must be a way to do this myself.

I've added the domain name to the httpd.conf file without success. Anyone done this?

WII-Aaron
07-26-2002, 01:59 PM
I don't quite understand what your asking. You have your own server and a static IP and you're trying to set up a domain on it? Do you also have registered name servers? Have you set up your zone file? A few more details would help out alot.

Aaron

UmBillyCord
07-26-2002, 02:06 PM
Originally posted by RandyL712
AIT charges $20 setup and $4 a month to setup a new domain name (virtual, all use a single IP address) and there must be a way to do this myself.

I've added the domain name to the httpd.conf file without success. Anyone done this?

So what you are asking is a forum full of host, how can I rip off my host? I would love to tell you what I think of people like you, but I will save it. Instead of trying to rip them off, move to some place cheaper or *deal* with it.

RandyL712
07-26-2002, 02:08 PM
Hold on - I pay for space, the IP address, and my bandwidth. I pay for the domain name, and I pay for the nameserver. AIT wants money if THEY set it up. It's not as if they have a policy against setting it up yourself, they just don't tell you how!

UmBillyCord
07-26-2002, 02:14 PM
AIT charges for every domain name you add to your reseller plan. It is advertised so throughout there web site.

If you are talking about having a true dedicated server, that you own, and you get unlimited doimains, then you should be able to do this with any GUI/Control panel.

As far aas I undertsand it, you have on of their reseller plans. In that case, you pay for every domain. Right?

RandyL712
07-26-2002, 02:15 PM
If they set it up, I pay for it. If I set it up, I pay for hard drive space and bandwidth.

shaunewing
07-26-2002, 02:16 PM
It all depends on the server configuration.

If you have access to the DNS zone files, you'll have to add appropriate entries for your domain in there. If not, you'll have to either cough up the money or use a free DNS server such as ZoneEdit and point your domain to the IP.

As your IP points to your site, you just need to point your new domain to this and you'll be set. If you want the new domain to point to the same site then there is nothing else you need to do.

If you want a whole new site - then you can pay to have space created (or if you have access to the httpd.conf which it sounds like - do it yourself) or you can do something in a language such as PHP to distinguish between domains.

--Shaun.

RandyL712
07-26-2002, 02:18 PM
Shaun,

The nameserver is no problem. Got the domain name pointed to the IP address. I've tried adding the new domain name to the httpd.conf file but it's not working... Even if I wanted it to point to the same site, it's not working for that either.

shaunewing
07-26-2002, 02:26 PM
Is the IP address given to you allocated just to you (ie: can your main domain be accessed as http://ip.address) or is it shared amongst other sites?

As you have write access to the httpd.conf file, I assume you have root on this machine. After editing, have you reloaded Apache by using a command such as "killall -HUP httpd" ?

--Shaun

RandyL712
07-26-2002, 02:34 PM
IP address is all mine...

You don't need to reboot the server - Changes take effect immediately once the new httpd.sonf file is uploaded. the httpd.conf file is located at /usr/local/etc/httpd/conf/

shaunewing
07-26-2002, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by RandyL712
You don't need to reboot the server - Changes take effect immediately once the new httpd.sonf file is uploaded. the httpd.conf file is located at /usr/local/etc/httpd/conf/

Are you 100% certain? I've yet to experience an Apache installation where user intervention isn't required to reload the httpd.conf file (and I've worked with a reasonable amount of Apache installs)... normally the httpd daemon needs to be either restarted or reloaded for changes in httpd.conf to take affect.

Anyway - I'm going off to bed.. it's almost 5am here and I don't think the caffeine will keep me awake much longer :D

--Shaun

RandyL712
07-26-2002, 02:43 PM
FYI forgot to say, it gets a 402 Error.

shaunewing
07-26-2002, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by RandyL712
FYI forgot to say, it gets a 402 Error.

From http://www.intranetjournal.com/faqs/webservers/codes.html

"402 The requested operation costs money, and the client did not specify a valid Chargeto field. "

I'm not sure if that's a coincidence or not with the charges by AIT - I've never encountered the error in the past and I'm certainly not energised enough to rack my brain for a solution.

--Shaun

porcupine
07-26-2002, 03:29 PM
hahaha thats funny :D I've never seen that before in my life :laugh: That must be a reseller account? ^_^

webhappy
07-26-2002, 04:43 PM
What crap pricing.

Look at dixiesys.com and get their July special:
for 10 a month, you get 12 gigs and 800 MB.

How can hosts charge money per customer? What a rip! Then you can't even give away hosting for free to friends on your reseller account.

ScottD
07-26-2002, 04:56 PM
Shame on them for expetcing to earn an income! Bad bad AIT!

Crazyness!

I will say you must restart apache if you modify httpd.conf. I am not sure what there set up is exactly, but maybe try running "apachectl configtest" and if all checks out "apachectl graceful".

UmBillyCord
07-26-2002, 05:10 PM
Shame on them for expetcing to earn an income! Bad bad AIT!

:)


I thought the same thing. It is so selfish for a host to make money. It just pisses me off. I think host should all offer rediculous rates until they go out of business. That way, they can make cheap skates happy until they have to move to the next rediculously priced host. Oh, well. I am just a dreamer.

Aussie Bob
07-26-2002, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by UmBillyCord
AIT charges for every domain name you add to your reseller plan. It is advertised so throughout there web site.

If you are talking about having a true dedicated server, that you own, and you get unlimited doimains, then you should be able to do this with any GUI/Control panel.

As far aas I undertsand it, you have on of their reseller plans. In that case, you pay for every domain. Right?
Or he could just get a reseller type plan from the likes of mchost, splahhost, voxtreme too.

Aussie Bob
07-26-2002, 07:12 PM
Originally posted by webhappy
How can hosts charge money per customer? What a rip! Then you can't even give away hosting for free to friends on your reseller account.
It's not a rip. It's business. There's no rules that say a business must deliver a certian kind of service. Not many folks know about reseller type accounts where you pay for space and data transfer and you can setup as many domains as you can fit. The folks who don't know about this kind of reseller plan most probably still use reseller plans like mentioned above, where they pay for the domains 1 at a time.

Techark
07-26-2002, 09:23 PM
You can't do it with AIT. I had several plans and a server with them way back when.. They run VPS software so you do have limited access to a httpd.conf but you do not have root you cannot restart Apache and they have controls in place to keep you from doing what you are trying.
They clearly state you pay for every domain you host so you are trying to beat them. I suggest if that is not the plan you want move to somewhere else that offers flat rate reseller accounts and quite wasting time trying to beat them.

Besides those AIT guys are all former special ops military you really want to piss em off?

UmBillyCord
07-26-2002, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by Aussie Bob

Or he could just get a reseller type plan from the likes of mchost, splahhost, voxtreme too.

I stated this in my first post in this thread. :)

VoxKeysGtr
07-26-2002, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by Monte

Besides those AIT guys are all former special ops military you really want to piss em off?

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Seriously, though, back when I was shopping around for hosting, I did consider them because I read about their business approach, and how they provided great service, however, the fact that you had to pay extra for each domain, led me away from them. AIT is not an optimum solution if you are a reseller or designer looking for a place to add extra domains. I'd go elsewhere. :)

RandyL712
07-27-2002, 06:26 PM
It hasn't been too expensive, but I'm going to make the move to a dedicated (but managed) box and to pay them $260 a month plus $4 a month per domain is insane.... I guess I'll start looking around elsewhere.

Want to say THANK YOU to all who replied, I apprecaite your input.

porcupine
07-27-2002, 06:40 PM
Thats some pretty harsh pricing. You can find dozens of hosts that will do reseller/managed servers at prices equivalent of $4/domain (its not hard to find a $400/mo dedicated server that you could put at least 200 domains on for example).