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miomarie
07-25-2002, 05:29 PM
My domain has been down for 24h+ (so has the host's domain) and I can't reach them because the mail servers are down as well.

I'm using a really chep host, only 2.95 months so I'm OK with the fact that their connection is a bit slow and such but this kind of downtime seem pretty serious. Another thing is that I've payed quite a bit in advance so there's that as well. It's not really the money itself that I'm worried about losing, it's the fact that I don't have a cc so if I'm gonna find a new host it will demand quite a bit.

Anyway, the question is, at what point does this kind of downtime become "serious"? I mean, when should I start worrying about whether they'll be back up at all?

Synthetic
07-25-2002, 05:36 PM
Personally, 6 hours maximum downtime a month is acceptable. Any more and the company will have lost me as a customer.

dialuphost
07-25-2002, 05:42 PM
Its really dependant on how much you pay for the hosting -- you get what you pay for, however I believe 24 hours is a bit ridiculous -- 6 hours a month if that is a little more realistic

Paul-UKWSD
07-25-2002, 06:21 PM
24 hours is unacceptable if you are paying money for it, sounds like a bad service to me.

magick
07-25-2002, 06:59 PM
depends what you compare it to, cyberwings has been down for weeks, but then again they charged 3.90 a year lol
goodluck, id say find a new host..

flue
07-25-2002, 07:50 PM
The thing i dont undestand is why ppl use a host that they cant reach by phone - ?

24 hours are way to much, even for a cheap host..:disagree:

Rotifer
07-25-2002, 08:02 PM
I hope you have back-ups. Start searching for a new host. :rolleyes:

Servstra-Sales
07-25-2002, 08:25 PM
I agree with flue, 24 hours downtime is ridiculous. Your host should of at least informed you the reason fo rthe downtime.

Aussie Bob
07-25-2002, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by miomarie
My domain has been down for 24h+
I'm using a really chep host...
Anyway, the question is, at what point does this kind of downtime become "serious"? I mean, when should I start worrying about whether they'll be back up at all?
If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.

Servstra-Sales
07-25-2002, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by Aussie Bob

If you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.

Not always Aussie Bob. :)

nvphone
07-25-2002, 08:39 PM
I will not take much down time. It depends why am I down?
Plus, do I have to sit and guess or will support tell me why, say after an hour?
Bottom line buy cheap get cheap..............

Aussie Bob
07-25-2002, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by Hostworkz.com


Not always Aussie Bob. :)
Weeeeeeeeeell, :) 99.27% of the time then. :D :stickout

Gem Hexen
07-25-2002, 08:53 PM
It depends on their uptime guarantee. If they guarentee 45% uptime, then you can't expect 99% uptime.

Aussie Bob
07-25-2002, 08:56 PM
Originally posted by flue
The thing i dont undestand is why ppl use a host that they cant reach by phone - ?
Oh no. :eek: Not the phone support debate again. :buck: :D

COMPUTICA
07-25-2002, 08:57 PM
Last year (2001), we averaged around 28 minutes of downtime per month. If we were down even six hours a month, we would be looking at what is wrong internally and trying to find all the clients we should have lost....

neil
07-25-2002, 09:03 PM
6 hours is a bit much - but I could deal with that if there was COMMUNICATION!

Sainthax
07-25-2002, 09:07 PM
another 2 dollar host :rolleyes:

we had 2 mins of downtime on a few of our servers the last 3 months, and that was only because the power cable on the switch for that rack got bumped loose while installing a heavy 5U Compaq server. I hit it with my elbow, simple mistake with a lession learned.

GlideTech
07-25-2002, 11:49 PM
Personally, I think any more than 5-10 minutes of downtime per month is unacceptable unless the downtime is scheduled.

It doesn't take much work to keep a server running if you have a good business plan along with a good network and hardware. Other than network outages, I cannot think of too many things that couldn't be fixed in a few minutes.

Just my opinion of course ;)

porcupine
07-26-2002, 12:55 AM
We had one of our clients having around 6 hours of downtime last week. He had harddrive failure (more like software, i think, crashed in lilo every time, regardless), but he required a new harddrive. I would expect that considering he/we got everything back within 6 hours, including all client data, etc.

IMHO it totally depends on the nature of the downtime.

jayjay
07-26-2002, 01:07 AM
HELLO.. HE'S PAYING 2.95?!!?

porcupine
07-26-2002, 01:10 AM
if thta was for a year, i'd say quit your complaining :) either way actually :)

clocker1996
07-26-2002, 01:11 AM
Originally posted by porcupine
if thta was for a year, i'd say quit your complaining :) either way actually :)

we have reached an all time low
LOL
2.95

thats pathetic

You get what you pay for :)

coight
07-26-2002, 01:40 AM
We offer a $2.95 plan, very popular and we have great uptime. Some people can do it :).

VoxKeysGtr
07-26-2002, 02:10 AM
Downtime is not acceptable. It happens, and sometimes it can't be helped. That is the nature of the Internet and technology. But, what do you expect for that type of hosting account. C'mon!

We offer a $2.95 plan, very popular and we have great uptime. Some people can do it

Is that per year? per month? How do you deal with customer support issues and profitability? How much do you end up making an hour from these accounts? Not much, I would imagine.

GlideTech
07-26-2002, 02:12 AM
2.95? This is per week right? :D

Servstra-Sales
07-26-2002, 03:47 AM
Originally posted by Aussie Bob

Weeeeeeeeeell, :) 99.27% of the time then. :D :stickout

That's better. :D

miomarie
07-26-2002, 06:51 AM
Originally posted by porcupine
if thta was for a year, i'd say quit your complaining :) either way actually :)

I've payed in advance, 2.95 per month. It's not the money that's bothering me (because I can live with losing 25 bucks), it's whether my site will get back up again because I hate having to find a new one. And btw, it's not like I use a lot of resources, I use less than 10 megs speace and much less than 1 gb bandwidth per month. Also, I haven't used customer support after my acocunt was set up and my subdomains' dns fixed.

It's going on 48 hours and I just wish I knew if they'll be back up at ALL or if I'm gonna have to go out and find a new host.

nousername
07-26-2002, 07:51 AM
Well.. if they are a real business... which most kiddy host's aint, you could do a lookup on their business to get their number. I know in Australia I can search my or another Business's ABN to find out the address and phone number of the business premisis.. but if they dont offer you phone support, they might just hang up on you :'(

GlideTech
07-26-2002, 08:01 AM
I am really sorry this happened to you, but did you expect more than this for $2.95 per month? Id say you got a good deal if your site was online for 1 month.

MotleyFool
07-26-2002, 08:23 AM
Actually I cant agree that low price is bad quality.

I have a plan where I charge 3.95$/mo for 50 mb and I have given 100% uptime for 171 days as of now [except for 2 hours of scheduled Apache upgrade at 1-3 am EST,US last month].

Dixiesys used to give some very good quality hosting at 3.95$ [dont know his prices now]

In my country you can live like a prince with 500$/mo. I pay a mortgage on my 2 bedroom flat, feed a wife, 2 kids and my grandma, send my son to school and we live quite comfortably in about 500$. It's all a question of economies of scale.

This digression apart, I think uptime is critical - in fact highly critical, even if it is "Jane's site about weaving baskets" or an under construction site.

Cheers
Balaji

porcupine
07-26-2002, 08:28 AM
Originally posted by MotleyFool
Actually I cant agree that low price is bad quality.

I have a plan where I charge 3.95$/mo for 50 mb and I have given 100% uptime for 171 days as of now [except for 2 hours of scheduled Apache upgrade at 1-3 am EST,US last month].

Dixiesys used to give some very good quality hosting at 3.95$ [dont know his prices now]

In my country you can live like a prince with 500$/mo. I pay a mortgage on my 2 bedroom flat, feed a wife, 2 kids and my grandma, send my son to school and we live quite comfortably in about 500$. It's all a question of economies of scale.

This digression apart, I think uptime is critical - in fact highly critical, even if it is "Jane's site about weaving baskets" or an under construction site.

Cheers
Balaji

I know this may sound really odd.

But you realise you're extremely fortunate, right? I'd love to be somewhere where we could live off $500/mo :bawling:, life could be a little simpler. Around here, you need at minimum $3000 a month to live well (for a family). Minimum wage will pay just over $1,000 a month, but it's not even enough for a single person to live off.

MotleyFool
07-26-2002, 08:34 AM
I know Myles! :)

Why do you think I refused jobs at Australia and UK to come and live in Madras? ;)

miomarie
07-26-2002, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by GlideTech
I am really sorry this happened to you, but did you expect more than this for $2.95 per month? Id say you got a good deal if your site was online for 1 month.

It actually hasn't been online for a full month. And my only expectation was for it to be up most of the time. Not for it to be fast or for there to be any support. So I haven't really been disappointed until now ;)

Rotifer
07-26-2002, 11:40 AM
I have a plan where I charge 3.95$/mo for 50 mb and I have given 100% uptime for 171 days as of now [except for 2 hours of scheduled Apache upgrade at 1-3 am EST,US last month].

We have $3.95/mo plans as well, these clients are treated with as much care as any other. Extended, unexplained downtime is unacceptable.