Sign up for one of our reliable and affordable hosting plans at http://www.perfectpresence.com and you could win a brand new car. Choose from a Dodge Truck, Ford Mustang or a Chrysler PT Cruiser.

For more information on this special promotion, check out http://www.perfectpresence.com/newcar.php

A chance at a PT Cruiser for signing up for hosting? Nice promotion! :)

yea

lol. whoever wins (if anyone) let me know.

what happens if only 4 people sign up? aren't you out alot of money?

Originally posted by alohahosts
what happens if only 4 people sign up? aren't you out alot of money?

The web page states that one out of each 500 signups gets the car. So there must first be 500 signups before anything gets awarded.

From your web site:

So how does one earn entries into the free car giveaway? Simple, you get one entry for every shared hosting account you order and 10 entries for every one of our affordable dedicated servers that you order. Remember, the only requirement we have in order to qualify for this giveaway is the three month prepayment.

So I guess I can buy 500 hosting plans and You give me the car?

The cheapest your plan is $8.95/mo with 3 months prepayment * 500 = $13425

So I guess you can get PT Cruiser for 13k

BTW good promotion

Originally posted by VIPsNet
So I guess I can buy 500 hosting plans and You give me the car?

I wonder if they offer financing if you order 500 plans. j/k :D

Yes, it is a very good promotion. :)

Lol, i think the one who wins the car is one of their people.:eek:

how about if the winner lives in.. Hmmm.. thailand?

Actually it is against the law to make someone make a purchase to win. Think about all the big promotions such as McDonalds, Taco Bell, Etc...they always say "no purchase necessary". Otherwise it is considered gambling.

Some clarifications

So I guess I can buy 500 hosting plans and You give me the car?

The cheapest your plan is $8.95/mo with 3 months prepayment

As mentioned on our site, the Tin plan is not available under this promotion.

Lol, i think the one who wins the car is one of their people.

Results will be audited by our law firm, no employee or family member of an employee are eligible to win

Actually it is against the law to make someone make a purchase to win. Think about all the big promotions such as McDonalds, Taco Bell, Etc...they always say "no purchase necessary". Otherwise it is considered gambling.

That is not the case, this promotion was researched and reviewed by our law firm before it was ever taken live. It is not illegal and is not a sweepstakes or a lottery, it is a business promotion. If customers were paying money for a chance to win a car than it would be illegal, but they are not. They are paying for our hosting service, huge difference.

Feel free to check it out with your lawyer if you like, we have done our due diligence on this.


Feel free to send me an email if you have any further questions.

Missed one

how about if the winner lives in.. Hmmm.. thailand?

As it says on our site, this offer is only open to residents of the US.

At first I thought this seemed a little too good to be true, but it seems like Strider has covered all of his bases. Good luck with the promotion, and good luck to those entered in the drawing for the car!

i live in the UK :bawling:

:) I want to win the car too!

JaguarPC - We have been around since 1997, why would you make a statement that our promotion is a scam. Want to talk to me, our lawyers or out accountants on this promotion. Contact me by email and you are free to talk to them about the due dillegence and the setup involved in offering this promotion. I get a bad taste in my mouth from a competitor talking about this as a scam in a forum meant for promoting special offers.

Strider,
I am sorry if I offended you. I was just curious and making a comment. Seems like a great promotion if its legit. Good luck and I hope someone wins. When you have a winner are you going to post it? When does this promotion end and the lottery start? Im just curious. Thanks.

Originally posted by Strider
Missed one



As it says on our site, this offer is only open to residents of the US.

Sorry, but I can't find where it say that.


Are you looking for a quality web hosting solution but you just can't make up your mind? We know how you feel, it is a very crowded marketplace, and it is hard to know whom you can trust. We know that as far as support, pricing and reliability goes we are one of the best choices available but with so many hosting companies for you to choose from, how do we convince you that we are the right one?

To put it bluntly, we are going to bribe you :) How are we going to do this? We are going to provide you with the ultimate incentive to give us a try, a brand new car. We are so sure that you will be happy with our service; we are giving away a brand new car. That's right, try us out for three months and you will be entered in our special car giveaway. You can choose from a brand new Ford Mustang, a Chrysler PT Cruiser or a Dodge Truck. No hidden costs or requirements, your car will be waiting at your local dealership.

Okay, well we obviously can't afford to give every new customer a brand new car so what's the catch? For starters, let's talk about your odds of winning. We are giving away one car for every 500 entries so at the very least you have a 1 in 500 chance of winning an $18,000 - $20,000 car. If that sounds like a lot to you, just try to find another free car giveaway with odds like that! Secondly, in order to qualify for this promotion you need to prepay for your first 3 months. Ahh, so maybe we are just trying for a quick buck and get you to pay for more than one month. Nothing could be further from the truth. We are still offering our full 30 day money back guarantee, if you are not satisfied, we will refund your money, no questions asked. You will no longer be entered into the giveaway but at least you have the security knowing that you will not be wasting your money either. We don't make money unless you stick around for longer than 3 months so you can rest assured that we will do everything we can to keep you as a satisfied customer.

So how does one earn entries into the free car giveaway? Simple, you get one entry for every shared hosting account you order and 10 entries for every one of our affordable dedicated servers that you order. Remember, the only requirement we have in order to qualify for this giveaway is the three month prepayment.


BTW, you're violating this forum rules

Signatures must be kept to a maximum of four lines and contain no more than one website address.

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/misc.php?s=&action=forum-rules

Waaa!! I want a Ford Mustang!!
I hope it's the convertible. :)

I'd rather have a new house with a value of at least $250K. :)

BTW, before I even opened the thread I started laughing. Take it for what it's worth, and I'm not a competitor.

Seems like a new marketing ploy that may just catch on. I think I'll pass on this one, and just wait for a host offering a dream home on the Riviera.

Originally posted by Strider
Some clarifications

That is not the case, this promotion was researched and reviewed by our law firm before it was ever taken live. It is not illegal and is not a sweepstakes or a lottery, it is a business promotion. If customers were paying money for a chance to win a car than it would be illegal, but they are not. They are paying for our hosting service, huge difference.



Who's your law firm?

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/tmarkg/prizes.htm

Also according to the department of consumer affairs:


A "sweepstakes" is any procedure for distributing anything of value by lot or chance. A sweepstakes must not violate any provision of law, including the law that prohibits lotteries.

Consumers often confuse sweepstakes, lotteries and contests. The main difference between a sweepstakes and a lottery is that the lottery participants have paid or promised to pay value for the chance to win the prize.

The main differences between a sweepstakes and a contest are that the contest participants must use at least some skill to win the prize and must pay some value to participate in the contest.




Is there a way to enter the contest without having to purchase a hosting plan?

Milkman - It would help if you would read my explanations before posting. I already said that if people were paying to win a car, this would be an illegal lottery. Just as you pointed out in your thread. It is not a sweepstakes or a lottery, no customer or entrant is paying for a chance to win a car, they are paying for the hosting service.

Originally posted by Strider
Milkman - It would help if you would read my explanations before posting. I already said that if people were paying to win a car, this would be an illegal lottery. Just as you pointed out in your thread. It is not a sweepstakes or a lottery, no customer or entrant is paying for a chance to win a car, they are paying for the hosting service.

Milkman's post was very applicable, and I'm sure he read your explanation. If it is not a sweepstakes or a lottery, then it must be a contest. Since a contest must involve skills, what skills are required for this contest? Let's see you wiggle some more, Strider. LOL

On another note, we don't have to know all of the details to know that your little free car raffle (or whatever it is) does not work. All we need to know are your rules, the price of your hosting plans, and the prices of the cars. It will not legitimately work without risking a large loss, and I seriously doubt you are willing to take that risk.

Milkman's post was very applicable, and I'm sure he read your explanation. If it is not a sweepstakes or a lottery, then it must be a contest. Since a contest must involve skills, what skills are required for this contest? Let's see you wiggle some more, Strider. LOL

I am not wiggleing at all, as I have explained from the beginning, this is neither a sweepstakes, lottery or a CONTEST. It is a legal and valid business promotion, I am not sure what is so hard to understand about that.

On another note, we don't have to know all of the details to know that your little free car raffle (or whatever it is) does not work. All we need to know are your rules, the price of your hosting plans, and the prices of the cars. It will not legitimately work without risking a large loss, and I seriously doubt you are willing to take that risk.

What are you talking about? You tell me how or why this promotion will not work? I am risking absolutely nothing, all my bases are covered on this, any idiot can see that if they took the time to crunch the numbers.

"In one post you are saying good luck it will catch on and then you are saying my little car raffle will not work with absolutely nothing to back that up."
<EDIT>Hmmm... I see Strider has edited the above paragraph out of his post above now.</EDIT>

I was joking about that and the dream house. Now, you tell me who the real idiot is here???

Yeah yeah, I know, I misred your post :)

Instead of attacking a stupid reply on my part, why don't you back up your statements and tell me how my promotion will definetly not work.

So if I buy a hosting plan from you, I have the chance to win me a new car.

If I don't buy hosting from you, I do not have a chance to win a new car.

Is that correct?


No offense but it doesn't smell right...

If you don't like it, don't sign up, if you want to write a letter to our Law firm for further clarification, send me a private message and I will give you there contact information so you can ask them for yourself. I am not going to argue any further on that point.

Just like webhostingtalk.com to bring out the best in people.

I stand by my earlier contention...this IS illegal. The only way it is NOT illegal is if I can have a free chance to win your car WITHOUT making a purchase. You CANNOT require a purchase, or require that a person spend money to have a chance to win a prize.

No where do you say "no purchase necessary", and then proceed to give instructions as to how I can enter to win without making a purchase.

Thanks for your opinion but strangely enough I think I will take my lawyers opinion over yours.

Well according to my lawyer and the federal trade commission:

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Q: What constitutes the difference between a legal chance promotion, such as a sweepstakes or a game, and an illegal lottery?

A: Three elements, when combined in one promotion, constitute a lottery, which is illegal in all of the states and under federal law. They are chance, consideration, and the award of a prize. Chance and prize are obvious. Consideration is not so simple.


Q: What constitutes consideration?

A: Here's the legal definition: something of value given in return for a performance by another for the purpose of forming an agreement. Consideration represents the element indicating that a party agrees to surrender something or forbear from doing something in return for that which will be received. In incentive marketing, if a prospective prize winner pays, purchases merchandise, sells merchandise in a trade promotion, or performs any act other than merely completing an entry blank, this constitutes consideration. It thus could transform a promotion into an illegal lottery, if chance is the determining factor in the selection of a prize winner. Sweepstakes should always give consumers the option to enter in writing without making any purchase.

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Also:

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What Is A Lottery?

A lottery is generally defined as a promotion in which prize, chance and consideration are present. In order for a game to lawfully proceed, one of these three elements must be removed.

A prize is anything of value awarded to winners, even if the value is nominal. This includes a cents-off coupon or a buy one, get one free offer. Certain non-tangible items such as bragging rights, special mention, etc., may not be viewed as prizes.

Chance means that winners are selected by a random process. This process could included, but is not limited to, a random drawing, seeded winning game cards (or game pieces) and pre-selected winning numbers.

Consideration can be defined in a variety of ways but takes on two basic forms. First is monetary consideration, which would be the purchase of a sponsor's product or other kind of payment. Non-monetary consideration is an expenditure of considerable time or effort by a consumer which benefits the sponsor in some direct way. This includes such things as store visits and lengthy questionnaires.

All lotteries, except those which are state operated are illegal under federal law and the laws of all fifty states. Most states follow the standard lottery rule defining a lottery as a promotional scheme in which all three of the elements of prize, chance and consideration are present. Many states also impose numerous additional restrictions on the use of sweepstakes and contests, including registration and special disclosure requirements. These numerous state laws make the structuring of a national promotion a challenging task.

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And who will pay the tax on the vehicle?
Be it income tax, state, county, local sales taxes, registration taxes and fees, title fees, license plate fees, county bridge assesment fee (not in all areas)

And


If I win, where is the vehicle? Do I need to pick it up at your house?

Oh and look what I found (https://rn.ftc.gov/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01).

If you think I am going to respond to any more of these attacks, you are wrong. I have stated my case. Continue attacking me over it if you like, this certainly is no longer a friendly discussion.

It's not an attack, just pointing out what constitutes an illegal lottery so you wont be sued or prosecuted. Just looking out for ya :)

This is definately illegal. You can require a purchase in order to win something. That is a lottery and is illegal. Why do you think big corporations like Taco Bell have promotions where they say "No purchase necassary"? Because if they required a puchase they would be breaking the law.

jeez you guys amaze me not only is everyone webhosts your all lawyers too :)

How about we just call it a raffle. Your monthly hosting account comes free with one raffle ticket, bronze raffle ticket is only 14.95/month and includes a free hosting account, Silver raffle ticket is 19.95/month and includes a free hosting account etc etc...
1 in 500 chance to win.

Jeez....

Well raffles vary per state in legality. Some allow them with a license, some only for non profits orgs, some outlaw them all together.

I still would like to know who will pay the taxes and where I can pick up my silver mustang convertible as I'd like to take a road trip this weekend.

I don't know why everyone is complaining -- this guy is giving away a car for crying out loud! Be happy! ;)

cbaker:

You don't have to be a lawyer to read the rules and regulations on such promotions to know they aren't legal.

Originally posted by FDrive
I don't know why everyone is complaining -- this guy is giving away a car for crying out loud! Be happy! ;)

My only question, is what 3rd party is overseeing this raffle, giveaway, lottery, whatever it is.

Originally posted by ljprevo


My only question, is what 3rd party is overseeing this raffle, giveaway, lottery, whatever it is.



I believe it's Arthur Andersen

Hmm. Milkman's post pretty much sums it up, as I've checked it against a couple sources. Prize + chance + consideration = lottery and that is illegal in the US unless you're a government. The only way to make it legal is to remove one of those three elements.

Legally, if you take away the consideration (payment) you have a sweepstakes. If you take away the chance you have a contest. Maybe Strider's attorney knows of some little nuance of law that keeps the game clean.

Here is a forum at a law firm, this guy sure sounds like he knows what he is talking about:

http://www.arentfox.com/post/forum/csmessages/381.html


As you may or may not know, a promotion is considered to be an illegal lottery when it contains each of the three elements of (1) prize, (2) chance and (3) consideration. In order to be permissible, a promotion must eliminate one of these three elements. In a random drawing, where chance is inevitably present, the sweepstakes must eliminate the element of consideration. There must be no requirement that a consumer purchase a product or service in order to be entered in a sweepstakes or to improve their chances of winning.

I think the underlying suggestion (somewhat well hidden amongst the comments) is that Strider consult another lawyer regarding the issue. Surgeons have been know to amputate the wrong leg, and I'm sure a pass by of the contest by another firm might not be a bad idea from the comments posted. If however, Strider is satisfied with the advice and guidance given to him by his firm, then challenges by others should be made through the proper channels (ie: not this forum after this post).

Who won the car? :confused: