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tmax100
06-04-2007, 12:42 PM
Help.
If you know any Isapi-rewrite friendly (windows) host, please let me know.
I'm looking for either a shared or reseller.
Money is no object. As matter of fact, I prefer expensive ones over cheap ones (less chance of headache).

Thank you very much.

RSNET-John
06-04-2007, 12:51 PM
Hello,

From past experience ISAPI-rewrite has a serious performance degration on a web server, and I would recommend against it. There are many other solutions for isapi_rewrite depending on what you're trying to achieve. If you can tell me what you're planning to host I'll be more than glad to recommend you a work around (if I know of one) for the application to achieve what ISAPI-rewrite does.

Thanks.

tmax100
06-04-2007, 01:37 PM
Oh, good to know. I think I might keep in touch with you.

This assignment came from the other department. I will find out more.

tmax100
06-14-2007, 02:15 PM
Basically, we want to apply mod_rewrite for windows websites.
Our (future) clients may present us various scenarios in Windows environment (CMS, Blog, newsletter...etc).
We want to be ready to take any one's existing (Windows) website and apply mod-rewrite just like we do in Linux servers.

Please give me any information you can give me.
hosting company, programming tip, programming offer, etc...

MrRadic
06-14-2007, 03:40 PM
Hello,

This link should help you out, we use a few components from there, and a few other custom components for wordpress blogs, but you have to remember not to enable it across all the sites as they can all cause performance degration for sites that don't need it.

ISAPI_Rewrite isn't a direct replacement for mod_rewrite, but the link does have a few direct replacements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod_rewrite

MikeSchinkel
07-06-2007, 05:06 AM
Help.
If you know any Isapi-rewrite friendly (windows) host, please let me know.
I'm looking for either a shared or reseller.
Money is no object. As matter of fact, I prefer expensive ones over cheap ones (less chance of headache).


You can find a list of ISAPI Rewrite hosts here:
http://wiki.welldesignedurls.org/ISAPI_Rewrite

MikeSchinkel
07-06-2007, 05:24 AM
From past experience ISAPI-rewrite has a serious performance degration on a web server, and I would recommend against it. There are many other solutions for isapi_rewrite depending on what you're trying to achieve. If you can tell me what you're planning to host I'll be more than glad to recommend you a work around (if I know of one) for the application to achieve what ISAPI-rewrite does.

Can you detail your experiences with ISAPI Rewrite and how you have found it to be detrimental? Of course I could see that you might have problems with ISAP Rewrite if you are overloading servers with a thousand customers on a single shared server. Is that maybe why you had trouble with ISAPI Rewrite?

I've run ISAPI Rewrite for about five years on every Windows server I've used and have had absolutely zero problems. As a matter of fact the features it provides are so important for proper URL design that I would recommend nobody run a ISAPI 6.0 server w/o ISAPI Rewrite or something equivalent. I've done tons of research on ISAPI Rewrite (http://www.mikeschinkel.com/blog/category/ISAPI+Rewrite/), and frankly there are no acceptable work-arounds; an ISAPI solution is the only thing that is acceptable on IIS 6.0. Thankfully IIS 7.0 doesn't require it, but few hosts offer IIS 7.0 yet.

iration
07-06-2007, 01:48 PM
Help.
If you know any Isapi-rewrite friendly (windows) host, please let me know.
I'm looking for either a shared or reseller.
Money is no object. As matter of fact, I prefer expensive ones over cheap ones (less chance of headache).

Thank you very much.

From what I understand about Isapi-rewrite is that most reputable Windows hosts won't allow the use of custom or third party ISAPI extensions (at least that is what I've been told by my current host and other hosts I have inquired with).

Now, ASP.NET does have a built-in URL rewriting feature. My current host provided me a link to their forum that explains it and it works fine for what I'm doing. Here is the link: http://community.discountasp.net/default.aspx?f=5&m=9333

Hope this helps.

Corey Bryant
07-06-2007, 04:03 PM
I think TechEvolution (http://www.techevolution.com) has this as well. I know a few clients were using it when we sold our hosting clients to them and I did not hear anything about them not supporting it

MikeSchinkel
07-06-2007, 04:19 PM
From what I understand about Isapi-rewrite is that most reputable Windows hosts won't allow the use of custom or third party ISAPI extensions (at least that is what I've been told by my current host and other hosts I have inquired with).

That's simply not true. It is disinformation and F.U.D. Microsoft created the ISAPI spec for it to be used to solve problems, not for people to go around saying "'reputable' Windows hosts won't allow the use of custom or third party ISAPI." ASP itself is an ISAPI extension; how is it Microsoft can write one yet nobody else can? That's just ludicrious.

Now, ASP.NET does have a built-in URL rewriting feature. My current host provided me a link to their forum that explains it and it works fine for what I'm doing. Here is the link: http://community.discountasp.net/default.aspx?f=5&m=9333

The URL rewriting feature in ASP.NET is not sufficent; ASP.NET cannot handle extensionless URLs unless ASP.NET processes all URLs. Including server-side specific extensions on URLs (i.e. .ASPX and .PHP vs. .PDF and .JPG, the latter of which are content-type specific) is simply bad URL design both for usability and techical architecture standpoint.

And if you think ISAPI Rewrite is not performant, heh, just wait till you try processing all files (i.e. JPGs) with ASP.NET.

BTW, I've studied the URL issue (http://www.welldesignedurls.org/) many times more than anyone I know (indepth for >6 months) and know the issue both from an IIS angle but also from a W3C RFC angle, the latter of which few Microsoft-centric developers are familiar with. For example, I've been having ongoing discussions with Mike Volodarsy (http://www.mvolo.com/) (IIS product manager) about it. He is aware of the problem and considering a solution. I created a discussion group on yahoo groups to collect up people who are interested in the issue so he can later discuss with them: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/iis6-url-rewriter-discuss/

Paul-M
07-06-2007, 06:11 PM
See the windows hosting sub-forum?
Please try to post there when you look for windows hosting....

TCP/IP Warrior
07-07-2007, 11:36 AM
I can tell you that I have used ISAPI Rewrite in many high volume, database intensive websites over the years without a problem at all. I have clients that will not do without it as a matter of fact :)

Good luck in your search.

MikeSchinkel
07-07-2007, 11:28 PM
I can tell you that I have used ISAPI Rewrite in many high volume, database intensive websites over the years without a problem at all. I have clients that will not do without it as a matter of fact :)


Hooray! A voice of reason. :)

TCP/IP Warrior
07-08-2007, 12:26 AM
Hooray! A voice of reason.
LOL... thanks... it happens every once in a blue moon.
My old lady calls it insanity but what the heck!

:)

CyberHostPro
07-09-2007, 10:00 AM
I can tell you that I have used ISAPI Rewrite in many high volume, database intensive websites over the years without a problem at all. I have clients that will not do without it as a matter of fact :)

Good luck in your search.

Same here, I use Helicon ISAPI Rewrite and have never yet found a single problem with it!