We have just added a Linux Starter Dedicated Server package to our line using the Intel Celeron II processor.

The price is $99.00 per Month and a one (1) time setup fee of $99.00.

Details can be found on our webiste at: http://awebhosting.net/hosting/dedicated/unmanaged/linux/linux-starter.htm

If you have any questions, please fell free to e-mail us at dedicated@awebhosting.net

Sounds like a great deal. How long has this company been around?

The company started in October 1999, and went online November 1999.

We have just recently started offering dedicated servers.

Seriously considering this. How much is extra bandwidth? I think I saw $3 in one spot and $5 in another.

Dedicated Servers
Additional Bandwidth:

1Gb per Month $5.00
50Gb per Month $150.00
100Gb per Month $275.00
150Gb per Month $375.00

Originally posted by syanet
Seriously considering this. How much is extra bandwidth? I think I saw $3 in one spot and $5 in another.

I think here how it goes...

You got 100GB of traffic per month, if you go over, then you will be charge $5/GB (expensive), but if you buy 50GB in advanced, then you will only be charge $3/GB (normal) and the price goes down if you buy bandwith in bigger block (as low as $2.5/GB, which is not too bad at all). But with 100GB, you might not worry too much... the deal is pretty cheap.... What I don't like (and don't understand at all) is how come the additional IPs charge is soooo... expensive?
The cheapest shown is about $5.675/IP/mo, which is the most expensive IP charge I have seen around.... (not to mention the setup fee for the additional IPs). I also don't like the idea that additional memory will cost you money per month, not just one time setup fee....

several things that I want to know:
1. How do you measure bandwith? 95th percentile? average? actual?
2. What is your backbone conenctivity? T1? DS3?
3. What is your uptime guarantee? (important since I have never heard about this company before).
4. Do you have 24x7 tech support on site?
5. Do you have/consider to have colocation plan?

Anyway, the $99/mo deal is really interesting, especially if you do not need the add on (memory, IP, etc). Hei... if you have a virtual account and you need tons of bandwith (>50GB), chances are you will better of considering this deal. Not really great if you try to host other sites with this low-end system.

cheers,
:beer:

Dektong,

Here are the answers to your questions.


1. How do you measure bandwith? 95th percentile? average? actual?
Its is based on actual usage.

2. What is your backbone conenctivity? T1? DS3?
T1

3. What is your uptime guarantee? (important since I have never heard about this company before).
99% Uptime

4. Do you have 24x7 tech support on site? Yes

5. Do you have/consider to have colocation plan? Not at the current time.

Careful a T1 connections is VERY small!!!!

Everything was looking great except that connection.

Everything was looking great except that connection

Yeah, you'll only be able to connect one, only one, of my dedicated servers to that line as one of my servers alone uses more than T1 worth of speed running at full capacity 24/7.

And to think, my business is not that big, nor that small, but sure as hell is expanding very rapidly every second of the day...

Originally posted by AWH
2. What is your backbone conenctivity? T1? DS3?
T1

Wow... that's not really good... T1 is only capable of transferring around 450 GB/mo... So.. I guess that's why you can offer 100GB of traffic for every of your dedicated server!

Which makes me wonder... what kind of NOC will only have T1 connectivity? I am sure you are not hosting the servers at home being fed with a leased T1 line. I did a traceroute to your website, the connection seems to be fast but I guess that does not tell us anything since you can just host your site anywhere...

still wonderring... a T1?

cheers,
:beer:

Dektong,

The connection we have is a Multi-T1.

If you have any detailed technical questions about our system, you can e-mail our technical support at support@awebhosting.net, and they can answer you in detail.

I wasn't aware that a T1 wasn't fast? Can push over 460 Gb's/mo (maximum, blah blah blah, I know, it won't reach the max, blah blah blah) and speeds of 1.5Mbps. That sounds fast enough to me.

If it was jammed with bandwidth hungry servers, then no, it wouldn't be fast but it is all relative. A O12 at (or near) capacity wouldn't be faster than a wide open (under used) T1 so what is everyone talking about?

No phone number, just fax number on the site. Is this good 4 a dedicated server? (no answer needed)

Why do I feel sorry for AWH? Shame, I'd feel like cr*p if I were them and reading this.

We all have to start off somewhere. Once they've grown a bit they might be in a position to upgrade their connections.

I wish you (AWH) luck!

Lordy, so do I. You all are jumping all over him. I understand a question or two but not a barrage.

Your right it depends on how its used but a T1 infrastructure has little scalability to it, and if your on a server that has any traffic at all, during peak times you will be slow, and too offer a deal like he is offering he has to jam pack the users on the T1 to make money, a single T1 by itself costs about 900.00 to get you 1.54mbps of connectivity, the bigger noc are able to offer the lower priced servers because we buy T3's and OC48's which bring our cost down to around 500.00 for a T1's worth of speed.

Not hating, thats just the fact jack, I hope he does great, if someone signs up with them let us know how it goes, he seems like a nice enough guy.

Hey, I remember the good ol' days of four UUnet T1's... or before that one BellSouth T1... eww.. that was bad news.

Although, I don't think you're using actual T1's... A traceroute reveals:

root@nitrogen [/var/named]# /usr/sbin/traceroute awebhosting.net
traceroute to awebhosting.net (63.116.218.144), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 s1-0.core1.gsp.plusweb.net (216.215.248.1) 1.774 ms 1.660 ms 1.507 ms
2 se3-0.scarsn-00-rt001.nw.TriVergent.net (64.89.66.22) 10.009 ms 9.758 ms 10.395 ms
3 et0-0.scarsn-00-rt015.nw.TriVergent.net (208.128.230.5) 14.681 ms 15.428 ms 13.493 ms
4 305.ATM1-0.GW7.ATL1.ALTER.NET (157.130.73.105) 13.387 ms 13.737 ms 13.049 ms
5 125.at-1-1-0.XR1.ATL1.ALTER.NET (146.188.232.250) 14.796 ms 13.088 ms 15.063 ms
6 195.at-1-0-0.XR1.ATL5.ALTER.NET (152.63.80.178) 23.925 ms 13.889 ms 11.333 ms
7 193.at-3-0-0.HR2.ATL5.ALTER.NET (152.63.83.69) 11.937 ms 15.985 ms 11.947 ms
8 102.ATM1-0-0.DR1.TPA2.ALTER.NET (152.63.80.85) 28.688 ms 25.583 ms 29.282 ms
9 707.ATM2-1.VR1.JAX1.ALTER.NET (137.39.72.146) 47.565 ms 39.418 ms 32.727 ms
10 awebhost-GW.CUSTOMER.DSL.ALTER.NET (206.114.255.120) 44.640 ms 44.273 ms 43.988 ms
11 63.116.218.144 (63.116.218.144) 44.756 ms 44.417 ms 45.941 ms

That "DSL" there in that last hop makes me think they are using DSL.

Also, his secondary nameserver:

root@nitrogen [/var/named]# /usr/sbin/traceroute 208.176.124.153
traceroute to 208.176.124.153 (208.176.124.153), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 s1-0.core1.gsp.plusweb.net (216.215.248.1) 1.954 ms 1.835 ms 1.537 ms
2 s11-1-1.ar1.ATL1.gblx.net (208.51.117.33) 4.945 ms 4.813 ms 4.976 ms
3 pos2-0-155M.cr2.ATL1.gblx.net (206.132.115.121) 5.002 ms 5.145 ms 5.012 ms
4 pos2-0-622M.cr1.IAD3.gblx.net (206.132.113.102) 20.478 ms 20.471 ms 20.795 ms
5 208.49.231.10 (208.49.231.10) 27.333 ms 27.337 ms 27.476 ms
6 a2-0d821.core2.was-dc.us.xo.com (208.36.132.33) 26.968 ms 27.914 ms 29.021 ms
7 p1-0.tran1.nyc-ny.us.xo.com (64.0.0.42) 35.925 ms 32.770 ms 32.445 ms
8 p0-0.tran1.nwk-nj.us.xo.com (64.0.0.50) 32.937 ms 33.320 ms 32.424 ms
9 ge10-0.tran2.nwk-nj.us.xo.com (64.220.1.34) 33.602 ms 32.767 ms 32.907 ms
10 p0-0.tran2.chi-il.us.xo.com (64.0.0.45) 52.426 ms 52.580 ms 52.449 ms
11 ge4-0-0.core2.chi-il.us.xo.com (64.220.0.199) 52.710 ms 53.373 ms 57.510 ms
12 a0-0-0d1.access1.mia-fl.us.xo.com (208.37.176.14) 91.251 ms 92.102 ms 90.019 ms
13 64.0.68.98 (64.0.68.98) 102.046 ms 91.796 ms 97.570 ms
14 w153.z208176124.mia-fl.dsl.cnc.net (208.176.124.153) 102.423 ms 102.855 ms 102.332 ms

Regardless of that, best wishes to Awebhosting.net. We all have to start somewhere.

Regards,

[Edited by jkehe on 02-18-2001 at 06:45 PM]

They are running off of a DSL line for sure, and I think its in extremly bad taste, for them to advertise T1's and then to have DSL, youll make no friends in here by lying, and youve just hurt your business instead of making it better.

Originally posted by cbaker17
They are running off of a DSL line for sure, and I think its in extremly bad taste, for them to advertise T1's and then to have DSL, youll make no friends in here by lying, and youve just hurt your business instead of making it better.

I would have to agree

Ouch....that's not so good.

Bad news. If you lie here, you are sure to get caught :)

what is the order and difference for those lines ?
i understand it has to do with bandwith can someone post a list for comparison ?
DSL ?
T1 ?
OC ?

Well DSL is not a dedicated line so you really have no guarantee that you can use the max throughput of that line. Ive seen DSL lines at rate of 256k upto 5mb. But ive rarely seen them burst to the 5mb or even 2mb rate.

T-1 (DS-1)is a dedicated line with 1.54mbps
T-3 (DS-3)is a dedicated line with 45mbps (28 T-1's)
OC-3 is a dedicated line with 155mbps (84 T-1's)
OC-12 is a dedicated line with 622mbps (336 T-1's)
OC-48 is a dedicated line with 2588mbps (1344 T-1's)
OC-192 is a dedicated line with 9953mbps (5376 T-1's)

Hey AWH, Post something. Or are you running away?

Originally posted by jkehe
Regardless of that, best wishes to Awebhosting.net. We all have to start somewhere.


However, not by lying.... bad start, bad move. Never try to outsmart somebody because somebody here in this fourm will definitely outsmart somebody else!

Having said this, I will still give him a benefit of a doubt. I remember a post somewhere here where traceroute reveal that the upstream provider of a company is a DSL provider. But it turns out the connection was not DSL since the NOC where the company is (DSL provider) actually has real dedicated connection (DS3??). Could something like this possible here?

Anyway, the fact the he does not reply anymore is a big sign for everybody....

cheers,
:beer:

dek, are you refering to that guy who co-locates with that cable provider in canada?

But still that is a very *rare* case, the trace seems to indicate that they are running a business DSL line, which is no different from a residential except the bandwidth is upped *supposedly anyway* :).

10 awebhost-GW.CUSTOMER.DSL.ALTER.NET (206.114.255.120) 44.640 ms 44.273 ms 43.988 ms


Only biz DSL customers get hostnames like that.

Residentials just get the plain jane traceroute.

If one of the last traces before it hits his switch shows a dsl line it is always a DSL line... At least Ive never seen anything to contradict that

cbaker17,

Our Internal LAN internet connection is a 1M SDSL line.
And is where our web server, and the DNS's are located.

We have an agreement with a local ISP to share their NOC, yes I said "share".
This worked out for both of us, since we would split the cost of the lines.

As of this, we are going to put the dedicated part on hold again, and wait until we can install a burstable T3/DS3 line from XO at our location.
We do not have enought current space to accomplish this, and will probably be on hold for 3-6 months.

Thank you for all the feedback we have received.

<chuckle>

Well I just found this thread after a quick search, and it appears awebhosting aren't doing much better on the business ethics front. My design site just got spammed by them offering me a reseller plan.

Considering a run dedicated now, I'm pretty sure I won't be interested.

If the guys at awebhosting happen to drop by, one other small point. If you're going to spam using a html e-mail, take a look at some design books. Black, white, cyan, purple, and firetruck red don't make for a pleasant color combination (and I just had dinner).

Greg Moore

Greg,

I am sorry you fell that way.

We just purchased an e-mail list that probably had your firm listed on it.

Did you use the hyperlink we provided at the bottom to remove your e-mail address, per the bulk e-mail regulations??


Since this thread was started back in 2000, we have grown and expanded.

We DO have our own NOC (small compared still to some of the big companies), and T-1's with UUNet.

You are welcome to do a trace route to awebhosting.net (63.116.218.144), and will see.

You will get a a "Destination Net Unreachable", due to we have ICMP blocked at our Cisco router.


Here is an example of what you should receive:

NeoTrace Version 3.2 Trace Results
Target: awebhosting.net
Date: Tue Jan 22 00:42:00 2002
Nodes: 15


Node Data
Node Net Reg IP Address Location Node Name
1 - - 192.168.1.100 26.619N, 80.095W awh-90mdz7reobf
2 1 - 208.176.124.1 Unknown
3 2 - 64.0.68.97 Unknown
4 3 1 207.88.50.185 Unknown a14-0d215.tran1.chi-il.us.xo.net
5 4 1 64.220.0.181 Unknown ge1-0.edge1.chi-il.us.xo.net
6 3 - 207.88.50.58 Unknown
7 5 2 152.63.65.162 Chicago 107.at-6-0-0.xr1.chi2.alter.net
8 5 2 152.63.67.129 Chicago 0.so-2-1-0.xl1.chi2.alter.net
9 5 2 152.63.67.125 Chicago 0.so-2-0-0.tl1.chi2.alter.net
10 5 2 152.63.38.62 Atlanta 0.so-3-0-0.tl1.atl5.alter.net
11 5 2 152.63.86.189 Hialeah 0.so-7-0-0.xl1.mia4.alter.net
12 5 2 152.63.101.41 Hialeah 0.so-3-0-0.xr1.mia4.alter.net
13 6 2 146.188.233.161 Hialeah 117.atm4-0.gw1.mia4.alter.net
14 7 - 208.255.246.1 Unknown
15 - - 0.0.0.0 Unknown Destination Net Unreachable


Packet Data
Node High Low Avg Tot Lost
1 0 0 0 1 0
2 63 63 63 1 0
3 31 31 31 1 0
4 64 64 64 1 0
5 62 62 62 1 0
6 57 57 57 1 0
7 60 60 60 1 0
8 64 64 64 1 0
9 68 68 68 1 0
10 102 102 102 1 0
11 122 122 122 1 0
12 111 111 111 1 0
13 117 117 117 1 0
14 0 ---- 0 1 0
15 ---- ---- ---- 1 1


Network Data
Network id#: 1
XO Communications (NET-XOXO-BLK-13)
1400 Parkmoor Avenue
San Jose, CA 95126-3429
US

Network id#: 2
XO Communications (NET-XOXO-BLK-14)
1400 Parkmoor Avenue
San Jose, CA 95126-3429
US

Network id#: 3
XO Communications (NET-XOXO-BLK-2)
1400 Parkmoor Avenue
San Jose, CA 95126-3429
US

Network id#: 4
XO Communications (NET-XOXO-BLK-5)
1400 Parkmoor Avenue
San Jose, CA 95126-3429
US

Network id#: 5
UUNET Technologies, Inc. (NET-UUNET-)
3060 Williams Drive
Fairfax, VA 22031
US

Network id#: 6
UUNET PIPEX (NET-UUNET-PIPEX)
332, Science Park
Cambridge
England
CB4 4BZ
GB

Network id#: 7
A Web Hosting (NETBLK-UU-208-255-246)
2910 Via Vizcaya
Lake Worth, FL 33461
US



Registrant Data
Registrant id#: 1
Registrant:
XO Communications, Inc (XO56-DOM)
1400 Parkmoor Avenue
San Jose, CA 95126-3429
US

Registrant id#: 2
Registrant:
UUNET Technologies, Inc. (ALTER-DOM)
3060 Williams Drive
Falls Church, VA 22031
USA

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NeoTrace Copyright ©1997-2000 NeoWorx Inc


NOTE: 208.255.246.1 was the first Class C block UUNet issued to us when the Cisco router was setup.


BTW What color combination would you suggest?
Since the background is black, with matrix like light white 0's & 1's.
The Cyan, Light Purple, Red only highlighted certain words/lines?

New link to $99.00/Month server:

http://awebhosting.net/products/dedicated/unmanaged/linux/index.htm

We are still offering this product, and price for a Un-Managed Linux Dedicated Server.

To test the speed to (or for some CONFIRM) our network, you can do a traceroute to our router at 208.255.246.1.
Or to awebhosting.net (63.116.218.144), which is located on that same router.

We opened our own NOC in October 2001, due to the other company we where sharing space with closed their doors :( as so many have done since.
We started small, and have grown.

Also since we have our own NOC now, we have started offering co-location. Which we did not offer until October 2001.

<FLAME SUIT>
As always, comments and suggestions are welcome.
</FLAME SUIT>

Moderator,

I have seen other people request a thread to be locked.

Could you please lock this thread, since the information contained originally in it is obsolete from 2000.

Originally posted by Awebhosting
BTW What color combination would you suggest?
Since the background is black, with matrix like light white 0's & 1's.
The Cyan, Light Purple, Red only highlighted certain words/lines?

Plain text - no html. The way e-mail should be :)

Greg Moore

Greg,

Thanks.

I was trying to make it look fancier. Plains HTML people seem to just overlook.
I guess I am jinda happy you actually saw/read it to notice the differnet colors.

And I'm a Matrix geek :), hence the background.

The person who use to handle the sales/marketing stuff, we don't use anymore.

Originally posted by Awebhosting
Moderator,

I have seen other people request a thread to be locked.

Could you please lock this thread, since the information contained originally in it is obsolete from 2000.

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