Okay... I like that we're seeing more and more un-metered deals pop-up all over the place.... so, help me out with a list of the current un-metered dedicated server options out there.

I'm talking about 10MBPS-100MBPS connections, either shared or individual lines.

1) Rackshack:

Compaq DL320 Dedicated Server w/Ensim
**Un-metered 10 mbps Network Connection**
PentiumIII 1GHz - 1GB RAM 40GB Hard Drive
Ensim Unlimited Domain License
512MB memory upgrade available

Setup $1
Monthly Fee: $399

2) FDCServers.net:

a) Celeron 1.0
128 MB RAM
40GIG HD
Shared 100MBPS Line
$99 Per month
$150 Setup unless you pay 3,6,12 months in advance, then no setsup


Add plesk -30 Domains, $49 a month; or
CPanel Option, $69 a month; or
Webmin, - Free

b) XP Athlon 1900
1 GIG RAM
240 HD
100MBPS connection, guaranteed 10MBPS to yourself
$399 a month

Add plesk -30 Domains, $49 a month; or
CPanel Option, $69 a month; or
Webmin, - Free


Any others out there? Lets hear about them.

have a look here:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=59071

prohosters offer a 10mbit un-metered for 89$ ... and all this with verio bandwidth. wohooo :D

I also just noticed a post from starhost.hm which lists their un-metered dedicated server as the following:

*******************
Technical Specs:
Pentium4 1.7GHz or higher - 1 GB RAM - 40GB HDD

Connectivity:
10mbit dedicated connection
Cogent XP*

Extras:
APC reboot port

Pricing:
389$/month - no setup fee**

Info:
*Cogent XP
This is a product offered by us exclusively. We are on a Cogent POP here in Denver and f.e. the last 3 months had 100% confirmed uptime. In order to ensure you of the quality of this product, we apply our "99.9% SLA" to this product also as we do with our Yipes, Aleron and/or our BGP routed multihomed as well as our IRC clients. That is why we call it "Cogent XP (Cogent eXPerience) as it is not at all comparable to the "normal Cogent" available. Check our SLA for this.

********************

im looking for an unmetered deal - is the deals above all WHT can offer?

:)

thanks

Anders

I'll vouch for the speed of the rackshack unmetered - we put a new video up today (ie huge bandwidth day) and it's been rock solid - averaging over 10 mb/sec and spiking to 16.9 and many times over 13 during the day.

Originally posted by Garrett
I'll vouch for the speed of the rackshack unmetered - we put a new video up today (ie huge bandwidth day) and it's been rock solid - averaging over 10 mb/sec and spiking to 16.9 and many times over 13 during the day.

i have two of those boxes allready, but rackshack has sold out these days/weeks....

I still want to understand the difference between Cogent XP and normal Cogent :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Garrett
I'll vouch for the speed of the rackshack unmetered - we put a new video up today (ie huge bandwidth day) and it's been rock solid - averaging over 10 mb/sec and spiking to 16.9 and many times over 13 during the day.
I thought the rackshack unmetered server is limited only to 10mb?

Peter

Originally posted by ckpeter

I thought the rackshack unmetered server is limited only to 10mb?

Peter

Actually it is 10mbit and NOT 10mb/sec. A 10 mbit ethernet rate between 3-4MB per second. I fI say that the statement from that user is total bullcrap I will be called "rude" again... so I will NOT say that it is absolutely total bullcrap...

BTW: MB/mb=MegaByte - Mbit/mbit=MegaBit

Ok could someone tell me pls what is 10mb its worth. To a server.
I mean is it better then having an account with 400-400gig of transfer or would that 10 mb line offer more bandwith per month.Slav

Ps i mean is 399 good price for a 10 mgbit line is they are shared or is it better to have one of those 300 onwards gigbyte accounts. Would a 10 megabit line hold allright for a heavy server.

I'll vouch for the speed of the rackshack unmetered - we put a new video up today (ie huge bandwidth day) and it's been rock solid - averaging over 10 mb/sec and spiking to 16.9 and many times over 13 during the day.


I'm confused. Are you talking about Mbps? I'm pretty sure the unmetered connection is capped at 10Mbps. I think thats the whole point of the deal. Use as much as you want, but your capped at 10.

Originally posted by Jedito
I still want to understand the difference between Cogent XP and normal Cogent :rolleyes:
Really nothing at all, it is a cheap marketing ploy to attract users, by making them think they offer more than they really do. So it is just a normal cogent connection, nothing else whatsoever.

I am in the process of deciding to either go with a managed hosting solution in the USA (where I have 3 boxes already, 1 of which is at rackshack, and I'm pretty happy with it) or colocate in Canada where I live.

Here is my math so far, tell me if I'm right.

$99/month with managed hosting with rackshack (or similar) w/400 GB traffic per month. ok, that's cool.

Or, $399/month with a 10Mbps unmetered.

As I understand it, 10Mbps (MegaBitsPerSecond) equals

(8 bits to a byte) so:
10,000/8 = 1.25 megabytes per sec max throughput.
1.25 MB x 60 seconds = 75 MB per minute
75 MB x 60 min = 4,500 MB per hour (4.5 GB)
4,500 MB x 24 hours = 108,000 MB per day (108 GigaBytes)
108000 MB x 30 days = 3,240,000 MB per month (3.2 TeraBytes)

Since I am doing video hosting and streaming bandwidth and traffic issues are a serious consideration for me, but one of the things I don't like about most of the managed hosting solutions I've found, is the inability to have a huge HD array (I need 480 GB to start). FDC sounds like it has some good options, but I'm not convinced with their service level yet (their paypal was even unable to receive payments) So like you, I'm trying to figure it all out.

-dave

Originally posted by ckpeter

I thought the rackshack unmetered server is limited only to 10mb?

Peter

I dunno how it works, to be honest. Have a look for yourself and tell me what the graphs mean:

http://www.rackshack.net/bandwidth/workdir1/216.40.244.246_103.html

Originally posted by ShareFile


Actually it is 10mbit and NOT 10mb/sec. A 10 mbit ethernet rate between 3-4MB per second. I fI say that the statement from that user is total bullcrap I will be called "rude" again... so I will NOT say that it is absolutely total bullcrap...

BTW: MB/mb=MegaByte - Mbit/mbit=MegaBit

Call me lame, call me a liar, call me whatever.

I said I got over 10 mb/sec - that means I claim I am getting (was actually) over 10 megabits per second, right?

Download the attached file and interpret the results for me.

Originally posted by ShareFile


Actually it is 10mbit and NOT 10mb/sec. A 10 mbit ethernet rate between 3-4MB per second. I fI say that the statement from that user is total bullcrap I will be called "rude" again... so I will NOT say that it is absolutely total bullcrap...

BTW: MB/mb=MegaByte - Mbit/mbit=MegaBit

i dont think this is correct? I may be wrong
but i thought 10 megabits was

1.25 megabytes/second

=/

Originally posted by Aristotle
I also just noticed a post from starhost.hm which lists their un-metered dedicated server as the following:

*******************
Technical Specs:
Pentium4 1.7GHz or higher - 1 GB RAM - 40GB HDD

Connectivity:
10mbit dedicated connection
Cogent XP*

Extras:
APC reboot port

Pricing:
389$/month - no setup fee**

Info:
*Cogent XP
This is a product offered by us exclusively. We are on a Cogent POP here in Denver and f.e. the last 3 months had 100% confirmed uptime. In order to ensure you of the quality of this product, we apply our "99.9% SLA" to this product also as we do with our Yipes, Aleron and/or our BGP routed multihomed as well as our IRC clients. That is why we call it "Cogent XP (Cogent eXPerience) as it is not at all comparable to the "normal Cogent" available. Check our SLA for this.

********************

yeah but his cogent is no different than any others
he just happend to of had good uptime for the last 3 months
so dont be misled or anything, its still regular cogent

Originally posted by clocker1996


i dont think this is correct? I may be wrong
but i thought 10 megabits was

1.25 megabytes/second

=/

Yes you are right, the 4MB per second refer to a 100Mbit network (my mistake) which makes that users statement even more off. Reason for 100 mbit not = 10x10mbit is the packet oriented nature of protocols like TCP/IP (including sub protocols as UDP), SPX, NetBIOS etc. These protocols cut your data in little pieces called Packets and reassemble them on "the other side" adter going over PArity checks and sending a token back that the Packet was succesfully received. THis creates Protocol related overhead. The more data comes through the bigger the overhead.

@Garret: Dude you are NOT a liar. What you are displaying there are mbit/sec and not megabytes(mb)/sec

I know that MRTG is misleading in thi spoint but then again when you look at the actual graphs images you see "Bits per second" running on left side from bottom to top.

Also does MRTG display AVERAGES from samples it takes. The RS (and all) 10 mbit ports of which you are viewing that MRTG chart is "just" a port on a very large switch which is of course capable of transferring much more then just 10mbit/sec naturally. MRTG graphs are used to measure bandwith consumption and are useless to measure SPEED.

I apologize about the "bullcrap" thing and would ask you a faveor out of plain curiosity. Please up and download a 15MegaBytes big testfile (a ZIP or whatever) from somewhere faster then 10mbit/s and tell me in how many minutes, seconds the transfer took place. If you want I can arrange such a speed test from my 100mbit pipe. THERE you will actually see how FAST your connection is. We both are stupid cause we compared Apples with Bananas... LOL

Originally posted by ShareFile


@Garret: Dude you are NOT a liar. What you are displaying there are mbit/sec and not megabytes(mb)/sec

I know that MRTG is misleading in thi spoint but then again when you look at the actual graphs images you see "Bits per second" running on left side from bottom to top.

Also does MRTG display AVERAGES from samples it takes. The RS (and all) 10 mbit ports of which you are viewing that MRTG chart is "just" a port on a very large switch which is of course capable of transferring much more then just 10mbit/sec naturally. MRTG graphs are used to measure bandwith consumption and are useless to measure SPEED.

I apologize about the "bullcrap" thing and would ask you a faveor out of plain curiosity. Please up and download a 15MegaBytes big testfile (a ZIP or whatever) from somewhere faster then 10mbit/s and tell me in how many minutes, seconds the transfer took place. If you want I can arrange such a speed test from my 100mbit pipe. THERE you will actually see how FAST your connection is. We both are stupid cause we compared Apples with Bananas... LOL

Well, glad to hear I'm not going crazy. Sometimes "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills."

There's plenty of large files on there already. Here's one that is 26.3 Megs.

http://216.40.244.4/highlights/17-KazushiSakurabaHQ.zip

I don't have access to a 100 mb line. Can you check it for me? I am interested to see the speed. I know I routinely get 150 k/sec on my comcast @home cable modem but that is 10 mb/sec I think.

RIght now it's 1 pm rackshack time, that is about the highest traffic time of the day for us. So maybe check now and then at nighttime if you're able.. ?

5 Seconds from one server....
34 seconds from another server.


FYI I believe the first server is on the same network.

Originally posted by ShareFile

Yes you are right, the 4MB per second refer to a 100Mbit network (my mistake) which makes that users statement even more off. Reason for 100 mbit not = 10x10mbit is the packet oriented nature of protocols like TCP/IP (including sub protocols as UDP), SPX, NetBIOS etc. These protocols cut your data in little pieces called Packets and reassemble them on "the other side" adter going over PArity checks and sending a token back that the Packet was succesfully received. THis creates Protocol related overhead. The more data comes through the bigger the overhead.


UDP is not a sub protocol of TCP. In fact they are two different protocols. TCP is used for connections that require reliable transmission -- as you described above. UDP is used for connections that do not require reliable transmission...so the packets are sent to the ether without worrying about whether or not they have reached their destination. UDP, has much less overhead, but is less reliable as well.

Originally posted by uuallan


UDP is not a sub protocol of TCP. In fact they are two different protocols. TCP is used for connections that require reliable transmission -- as you described above. UDP is used for connections that do not require reliable transmission...so the packets are sent to the ether without worrying about whether or not they have reached their destination. UDP, has much less overhead, but is less reliable as well.

Hehe yes. It is just that I didn't wnat to make it too long explaining and then missing my point. UDP is used for internet radio and telephony where single-bit errors are not any problem at all. It does not parity check and does not send packet receival confirmations back to the node that sent the packet(s). That is why it is also called "stream" (streaming media) because it is exactly this.

@Garret: I will put a 15 Megabyte test file on a machine on our 20 mbit Yipes line. I will PM you for login/pass so you can preferable ftp via SSH into the account and "get" the file. Just paste the results in your terminal window in a post here then. Gimme a 1-2 hours to do that. Kinda busy atm ;)

Originally posted by ShareFile


@Garret: I will put a 15 Megabyte test file on a machine on our 20 mbit Yipes line. I will PM you for login/pass so you can preferable ftp via SSH into the account and "get" the file. Just paste the results in your terminal window in a post here then. Gimme a 1-2 hours to do that. Kinda busy atm ;)

Sounds good. Only I don't know how to SSH. Pretty ignorant, I know.

Were you not able to download that file? I'm interested to see your download speed.

Garret, you are positive you are on a 10Mbps dedicated line, for $399/month at RackShack? If you are, you are actually spiking well over 20Mbps (that MRTG is a 5 minute average, actual speeds are much faster). All I have to say is great! I was under the impression that the dedicated 10Mbps ports were capped.

As I understand it, 10Mbps (MegaBitsPerSecond) equals

(8 bits to a byte) so:
10,000/8 = 1.25 megabytes per sec max throughput.
1.25 MB x 60 seconds = 75 MB per minute
75 MB x 60 min = 4,500 MB per hour (4.5 GB)
4,500 MB x 24 hours = 108,000 MB per day (108 GigaBytes)
108000 MB x 30 days = 3,240,000 MB per month (3.2 TeraBytes)


No, no, no and no. No normal networks operate at a steady X Mbps 24/7. You will have peaks and valleys of traffic. Unless you totally swamp the 10Mbps port with traffic 24/7, which would mean your server would be horribly slow for your broadband users, you are not going to squeeze that much transfer from a 10Mbps port.

Then again, it looks like RackShack doesn't cap the port, so you may actually be able to get that sort of transfer, if your average bandwidth use is 10Mbps.

Originally posted by driverdave
Garret, you are positive you are on a 10Mbps dedicated line, for $399/month at RackShack? If you are, you are actually spiking well over 20Mbps (that MRTG is a 5 minute average, actual speeds are much faster). All I have to say is great! I was under the impression that the dedicated 10Mbps ports were capped.



It's actually not that exact plan - I got in on a similar plan a few months before they came out with the current plan. It's a cobalt raq4i with 512 MB ram. I was one of 10 people that got it - my lucky day I guess. They were all sold within like 30 minutes after they put it up.

I just assumed (oops?) that the current plan was basically the same, except for now it's with a compaq server that's more powerful.

When I ordered it, they told me that they would basically open it wide up, but it was limited by a 10 mb bottleneck somewhere (I thought they said on the ethernet card connected to the raq, but it was a *long* time ago).

I loved it so much I called back and wanted to get another one after a few weeks. They said that of the 10 (or maybe it was 15) that they sold, I was the only one offering positive feedback and so they probably wouldn't make any more. They also said they were having problems with redundancy. I asked what that meant (I've always now known much about networks, this isn't a current phenomenon) and he sounded completely insulted and said "REDUNDANT - they are not REDUNDANT!" really slowly. I think that was at the low point in RS customer service. They seem a little nicer now.

Originally posted by driverdave
<snip> too long :D

No there is a 10mbit cap for a simple reason: The ports on their switch are 10mbit each ;) Ask Patrick... but this is PERFECTLY allright as RS offers 10mbit port and that is what you get :)

Question is if the bandwith behind that port is worth to serve all the ports... Ihave no evidence FOR or AGAINST that.

All I can say is that I am getting a speed around 700-800kb/sec.
Provided that you certainly have other traffic on the server constantly that IS a very good, normal 10mbit speed. Nothing less, nothing more ;)

So, are there any more unmetered out there? Still looking for another one...