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Wolfy
07-05-2002, 07:29 PM
We just received a fraudulent order for some webhosting.

A check of the domain name owner, their DNS server details and their IP made me suspicious. So I called their telephone number supplied on our order form, and while all the card details, phone number, address seemed to be correct, the person I spoke to did not even have a computer or know what 'web hosting' was. Since we process CC orders manually, the card has not been charged, so charge-back etc are not a problem.

So ... I've contacted the person who owns the card - the card was only a week old - and they will probably contact their bank and cancel the card. However, is there anything I should do?

While I realise that there is little that the 'authorities' can or will do about it, do I have a moral and/or legal responsibility to contact someone?

Just to make the scenario a little more complex, we are in Australia, the person with the card is from the USA, and the person ordering I suspect may be from Indonesia.

bambenek
07-05-2002, 08:30 PM
You can call your equivalent of the FBI, but I doubt anything would happen because of the international issues...

Lurleene
07-05-2002, 09:41 PM
I once tried to report fraud from Russia -- we were even able to pinpoint the source (from a university). Usually when communicating with us they rerouted their IP to Atlanta, but got sloppy once.

Anyway, the cops laughed.

There is no satisfactory resolution for internet fraud. I hope that there will soon be a bureau dedicated to keeping records of even small fraud (hopefully to find a pattern and uncover a fraud ring). For now, you've done all you can purposefully do by calling the card owner.

GWDGuy
07-06-2002, 12:04 AM
Don't feel to bad on the fraud. We stupidly did some popunders and did not specify US only and everything ran in the Pacific Rim... We got 7 Orders from Indonisia that were all fraud.. Well I guess I should not say they were but the IP addresses were from there but the users CC information were from people in the US and they spelled the city names wrong. :rolleyes:

Tough business right now with this crap going on. We stop doing instant sign ups over a year ago because of it. We check ever order and verify the IP trace and so far I think in the 3+ years we have been doing this we have only had 2-3 order get processed that turned out to be on stolen CC.

Good luck and be careful.. Don't spend the money until you know it's yours.

My 2 cents

Robert

sHosts
07-06-2002, 12:14 AM
Good luck and be careful.. Don't spend the money until you know it's yours.


Yeah, I like that.. I wondor if anyone actually does spend money before its their's. =]

Does anyone know the country where the most Internet Fraud comes from? The only fraud order I had came from Indonesia, and my Merchant Account decided to block all orders from Indonesian IPs ( I can get it unbanned but don't know if I should.)

GWDGuy
07-06-2002, 12:25 AM
Indonsia and Maylasia are the ones we get most of the time.
(I'm not sure how close those two are but maybe they don't know using someone else's CC# is wrong :stickout )
Robert

Lurleene
07-06-2002, 11:33 AM
Indonesia, Malaysia, and Russia are considered to be the most common.

Someone on WHT posted an e-mail from someone in Indonesia that said something like "Yes I know the card is fraudulent, those are the onily credit cards we have in Indonesia." :eek:

I suppose after those three countries, the United States itself is the most common (for web hosts, anyway).

GWDGuy
07-06-2002, 11:38 AM
I have to agree, I still my share of bad CC's here in the US

Robert