We are introducing a new dedicated server line.

pIII 1.1ghz
*128mb ram
*20gig hard drive
Un-meetered 10Mbit connection to verio
FreeBSD 4.6
Webmin version: .999
1 Ip to start 10 free with justification

-- THIS IS FOR NON-ADULT CONTENT SITES -- we will have another plan shortly for adult sites we are sorry.

$89.00 /month
$299 one time setup

* Ram can be upgraded
* Hard drive can be upgraded

We might be adding a portmaster account and an apc account to this plan.

Portmaster account - Allows you to connect to our serial server and access the server's console. Example, your box does down and you can not ssh into it you can connect via serial and act as if you were sitting infront of it with a monitor.

APC account - Allows you to login to the APC and power-cycle your server for manual reboots.

Our verio datacenter that we are located in contains the FreeBSD mirrors ftp2.freebsd.org and cvsup2.freebsd.org. Our average data transfers from these mirrors is about 9Mbits/sec. We are connect with dual gige's with verio.

You can ping or traceroute 66.197.0.152, 128.121.6.15 for speed tests


If you are interested in this plan please contact me at zak.thompson@prohosters.com

We might release another plan but with Linux redhat and some other control panel but we have not made that decision yet.

Wow....that sounds like a really good deal I might have to take you up on that ;) any idea when the details of the adult content package will be available?

$89 a month for a 10MBPS connection, un-metered... and verio to boot...

Damn. That's impressive... although that HD and RAM would need an upgrade for sure.

Yes it is, and I hope people will take advantage of it. All hardware upgrades are a one time fee. So it doesn't hurt that much.

$89/month for a 10MBit Verio connection? Wow! Good luck, Zak, I bet you'll get plenty of orders :)

The first question that arises in me is: is this truly a dedicated 10 MBIT or is it shared between a few servers?

Excuse me and correct me if I am wrong. The last time I spoke with a Verio rep I got quoted for 155$ per mbit. Let it be a miracle price cause your dad owns Verio of 120$/mbit.. That makes 1200$ only for the connection.

Can I order 100mbit from you then for 10x89$ = 890$ per month please. You can even keep the servers or donate them to a charity organization.

Although the 299$ setup fee sounds fishy.. you wouldn't disappear from the net after a month, or?

We have been around for 2.5 years and host several large clients, we have a number of clients all doing between 40-100Mbits alone just by themselfs

when you do as much traffic as we do with verio you would be surprised to see how much the prices drop.

Originally posted by ZakT4PH
We have been around for 2.5 years and host several large clients, we have a number of clients all doing between 40-100Mbits alone just by themselfs

when you do as much traffic as we do with verio you would be surprised to see how much the prices drop.

Hahahahaaaaa yeah right... below 8$ per mbit. Let's even assume you oversell like crazy how low can it be? 20? 30? So you are getting Verio for cheaper then Cogent. Good one. There is a new Jokes forum coming here on WHT I heard :rolleyes: you should have posted there :rolleyes:

Do you have an offer WITHOUT setup? Let it be >150$ per month, I don't mind... No? Didn't think so... :homer:

I never said that is what we get our bandwidth at. you have a 10mbit connection to our fiber lines, this is no different from what rackshack does. YES this is a shared connection with a couple other people, NO we will not oversell the pipe no we are not stupid and please do not make us say things that we have not said.

like I said before how is this different from what rackshack does? I do not want to get into a big war with this i'm just trying to sell a new service that we are going to offer.

Zak, I am interested in hearing how you set this up to be profitable. You have a right to privacy for your business plan, but I think you should at least try to justify how you do the math.

Peter

<I was posting while Zak was at the same time>

So this isn't a dedicated connection, more like a shared unmetered connection?

You said you won't oversell. Could you give us the (approximate) number of client you place on each 10mbit connection?

Peter

If you ever tried to do business with sprint and understood how they do their bandwidth you would understand. Atleast this is what I got from the Sprint rep back when I was with another hosting company going on datacenter tours. I'm not really going to go into depth with things though i'm sorry. But if you think about it, it really isn't that hard to come up with.

Robert, I think that post was quite uncalled for. There are other ways of professionally inquiring about this company's ability to deliver. Something like ckpeter's post, for instance.

They have there own IP block

66.197.0.0 - 66.197.95.255

Pro Hosters L.L.C. (NETBLK-PROHOSTERS)
406 Suburban Drive #101
Newark DE 19711
US

yes and we are about to get another block of the same size too.

Alex, Robert is all very out-going person. You can't blame his enthasisum. :)

Zak, sorry for my ignorance, I don't know much about arrangement with sprint (or anything of that nature). I am interested in knowing the guarrantteed(or at least typical) level of performance, should I get a server from you.

Peter

Originally posted by ZakT4PH
no we are not stupid and please do not make us say things that we have not said.

I said that you are stupid :confused:
I guess YOU should not make me say things that I have not said...

Ok, so now it is a "shared connection" with "a couple of other people"... I see, want me to do the math for you on HOW many people you must put on there then? :D
Or is it a 10mbit ethernet connection to your T1? Sorry but until you tell us EXACTLY what is going I don't believe a word you type mate.

And don't tell me the setup fee covers stuff cause it is a one-time payment and also just covers a PIII wholesale priced box maybe leaving 50-100$ bucks for you one time.

Ah and don't you dare to compare yourself to RackShack. Not that I like them but you are out of line...

Zak, I think Robert is just really eager to get to know your setup.

I am interested in learning the actual specification of your offer.

Peter

Yes indeed.

And one more thing. RACKSHACK gives you xxxGB/month and not a 10mbit connection or 10mbit shared or whatever and they are still almost double in $ then you

Anywhoo... Explain yourself please

just like if you were on any network your still affected by the others on the switch. This box isn't really designed for those who are doing VERY high traffic, by high traffic i'm talking about sites doing 5mbits + and the average dedicated doesn't do that much traffic. This is why we do not allow adult content on this plan. We do offer dedicated and colo solutions that allow all leagel content. We were on Techtv for the Daniel Pearl Video our CEO was interviewed on air ect. Our larger clients are adult sites such as stileproject.com and scoreland.com and a couple others this plan is not designed for very high traffic. I really can't give you a assurance on performance b/c of the nature of this plan. :(

i hate to do this but if you goto rackshack.net right on their front page


Compaq DL320 Dedicated Server w/Ensim
**Un-metered 10 mbps Network Connection**

Originally posted by ZakT4PH
i hate to do this but if you goto rackshack.net right on their front page


Compaq DL320 Dedicated Server w/Ensim
**Un-metered 10 mbps Network Connection**

YES... for 399$ per month mate!!

Originally posted by ZakT4PH
... this plan is not designed for very high traffic. I really can't give you a assurance on performance b/c of the nature of this plan. :(

This gets better and better... first 10mbit Verio, then SHARED 10mbit connection to the connection that goes to Verio and now this. You know, in order for you to get even you can give every user a MAX of 0.5mbit aka 162GB/month... ok for 89$ maybe even not a bad deal....if theose 512kbps were DEDICATED that is...

would you rather me knock up the price to make you happy? not a problem to me.

You have your own 10mbit connection to their network, and the mystery stops there. I am very good friends with jason and mark with rackshack and along with others and i know they don't delagate 10mbit per person

Yes, but the price of rackshack's server is a $399(if I remember correctly), not to mentioned the large setup fee.

Most of all, its a pure cogent connection.

This reminds me of the conversation I had with a Verio sales rep just two days ago. I was inquiring about their VPS, and they said they don't charge for bandwidth. Upon my pressing he admitted that the actually limit is about 25GB.

The sales rep sounded innocent at the time. And he probably was, since he was selling to "business clients." However, in webhostingtalk.com, people are very into the details and they are power user of dedicated server (if I may put it that way). You may want to provide an accurate description of your service, instead of an "executive overview" of your offer.

Realistically speaking, if I a running a very popular ftp server, what kind of performance can I expect?

Peter

Ok Basically .. if your going to offer 10mbit un-metered ..

SET a data-transfer limit per month .. to say 150 - 300GB per month

Also get another line in place ... say Qwest or XO

<I was posting at the same time Zak was>

What kind of 10mb connection are you talking about? Just a regular 10Mb network card/port?

I am interested in knowing how much dedication there is coming from your main verio pipe, not the actual hardware connection.

Basically, what I am asking is this: for example, I connect to my DSL using a 100Mb network card, but the actual speed is just (pitty) 786kpbs. In this case, I would like to know the connection speed, not the hardward/NIC speed.

Peter

Originally posted by ZakT4PH
You have your own 10mbit connection to their network, and the mystery stops there. I am very good friends with jason and mark with rackshack and along with others and i know they don't delagate 10mbit per person

I am even much better friends with Patrick Smith who is the boss of your two friends and he can reply here anytime on this.

But lets assume it is so... this is called overselling and is business practice. It is based on the fact that 10mbit clients only use ~30% of their allocated mbits. But in YOUR case that would make over 400$ already...

I guess I lead Patrick here and he will have a chat with "Jason and Marc from RackShack" :D

Its kinda hard to get another line in verios premier datacenter in sterling virginia, they wont allow anything else into their building. Honestly the maximum amount of people isn't that high if your on a line with 5 people thats 2mbits per person, I can guarrentee that in that situation you wont be slow. The network will or atleast should be a full 100mbit network with all the work on the 10mbit lines being done on the alpine

We have the capacity to do 2Gbits of traffic in and out and have the capacity to grow to 64Gbits due to the size of the backplane on the router, even if this doesn't take off we are hoping our normal dedicated servers which run 299/month



Right now we average around 600Mbits of outgoing traffic and a little under 50Mbits inccomming traffic

400? where did you get that figure from?

Originally posted by ZakT4PH

<snip>
nothing worth repeating


So you give me 2mbit Verio that is 120-155$ per mbit for 89$... yep sure, I believe you. The world is also flat btw, I believe THAT too.

The ~400$ come from 30% of 10mbit - 3mbit*120$ = 360$ ;)

i can tell you now .. your figures for Verio are wrong

Anyhow ..

Who says they will use 2mbit 24/7 ? :confused:

who's figures mine or his?

I don't know the exact price of things mainly because I just help run the network. I'm just trying to get out a product thats designed for companies or people wanting boxes for development or gaming servers or what have they in any given case I will say you will probably have atleast 150-200gb of datatransfer? I don't know these numbers are hard to call depending on what the other people do on the network too

Originally posted by ZakT4PH
I don't know the exact price of things mainly because I just help run the network. I'm just trying to get out a product thats designed for companies or people wanting boxes for development or gaming servers or what have they in any given case I will say you will probably have atleast 150-200gb of datatransfer? I don't know these numbers are hard to call depending on what the other people do on the network too

I see, you just "help to run the network" now... hmm I bet when this thread hits Page 6 you will have become the cleaning lady of the place. Sorry but a little humor is mandatory :D

Ok so 150-200GB. But that is EXACTLY what I told you after I did YOUR math for you. I said

You know, in order for you to get even you can give every user a MAX of 0.5mbit aka 162GB/month...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

i highly doubt i'll be cleaning :) thats just the lowest number you'll have and thats a low ballpark evan at that 89 a month for that bandwidth and your own box isn't a bad deal.

Share Files figures:)

Do a traceroute on the domain

"prohosters.com"

While I think that ShareFile should worry about answering the questions in his own ad thread about his connection to the new "Cogent XP", I believe that this new offer ( and particularly the thread ) has been taken a bit off course.

Those with questions about the offer should email or PM the thread starter and not engage in an attack on their credibility in the thread of their offer.

I have spoken my peace. Waiting on the mod's to clean this mess up.

Originally posted by go2search
While I think that ShareFile should worry about answering the questions in his own ad thread about his connection to the new "Cogent XP", I believe that this new offer ( and particularly the thread ) has been taken a bit off course.

Those with questions about the offer should email or PM the thread starter and not engage in an attack on their credibility in the thread of their offer.

I have spoken my peace. Waiting on the mod's to clean this mess up.

Oh hi PAT PRICE... stalking me again? :D

:cartman: no .. that would be your shadow :rolleyes:

Originally posted by ZakT4PH
... and thats a low ballpark evan at that 89 a month for that bandwidth and your own box isn't a bad deal.

I agree totally with you that if your offer would have been 150-200GB/month or 0.5mbit for 89$/month, it would have been a nice deal and I would even have posted my famous "Nice offer!" ehich I always do when I see a worthy offer ;)

This is just another misleading offer DESIGNED to mislead an end user into thinking they are going to get 3200 gigs of bandwidth and a server for $89.

There REALLY needs to be rules about stuff like this.

You think any car manufacturer would be allowed to advertise a car that only needed 1 tankful of gas for the next 10 years of operation (non electric car that is) but in the fine print once you go to buy it says 'we cannot guarantee 10 year's of use on 1 tank full of gas if you drive more than 5 miles a year because this offer is designed for people who don't drive a lot'. ?

So this offer is designed for those who don't use a lot of bandwidth but yet is advertised as having 10mb unmetered. And then it's explained that performance can't be guaranteed on such an offer.

On a weekly basis now for some time there's always a new 'too good to be true offer than no one else can possible do'... there's always a new trick people are trying to pull to trick people into buying.

On one hand, this does sound like a deceptive offer.

I do sympathize with Zak's position though. He came from a background where sales rep deals with "business client" who wants "executive overview." He is not accustomed to selling to power-users like us. (read my encounter with a verio sales rep above).

This is understandable, but obviously not right. Zak, maybe you could take a lesson from this?

Peter

Refrain from attacking the offer and please ask questions. If you do this, then we all can figure out what the heck up.

ZakT4PH, is this offer anything less than a guaranteed $89/month for a dedicated server with 10Mbit un-metered connectivity? In other words, if someone wants/needs to use up to 10Mbit, can they do it.

You won't be able to push out the maximum gigabytes of a 10Mbit connection (directed at members), however you should be able to get the full 10Mbit peak when you need it and not be limited to other servers sharing it.

Please post answer here and email mods.

its a 10mbit line shared, meaning at any one point in given time you can hit the 10mbits and even go over it but the goal is to keep everyone at their spikes totaling 10mbits. We are finalizing this plan and have several people interested in this plan since it fits their needs. However for full blown 100mbit lines would require a regular dedicated that we have for 299/month the specs are as follows

1.1ghz * you can upgrade to a dual 1.1ghz machine if you would like
256mb ram * upgradable to 2gb
80gb hard drive *additional hard drives can be requsted and setup in a IDE raid, 0, 0+1 or 5
Freebsd
Managed * which means we control the upgrades and are responsible for everything, you just need to upload and be on your way
299/month 300/setup


1.1ghz *ability to add a second processor with no problems
512mb ram
80GB hard dirve
on board raid ability, upon request with second drive
Managed
and 300gb bandwidth - 499/month 300/setup
or 1000gb bandwidth - 999/month 300/setup



We also sell bulk bandwidth and clustering solutions, soon we will be doing managed dedicated services with clustering on the fly incase you have a boost intraffic and need the extra server support, we will have you up and running inside the cluster with in hours of the request.

Well, the closest router I can id on my traceroute to them, is a GigE connection.

Originally posted by ZakT4PH
1.1ghz * you can upgrade to a dual 1.1ghz machine if you would like
256mb ram * upgradable to 2gb
80gb hard drive *additional hard drives can be requsted and setup in a IDE raid, 0, 0+1 or 5
Freebsd
Managed * which means we control the upgrades and are responsible for everything, you just need to upload and be on your way
299/month 300/setup

1.1ghz *ability to add a second processor with no problems
512mb ram
80GB hard dirve
on board raid ability, upon request with second drive
Managed
and 300gb bandwidth - 499/month 300/setup
or 1000gb bandwidth - 999/month 300/setup

Now THAT are offers that I can even sign with my "Nice offer!" ;)

Originally posted by ShareFile


Now THAT are offers that I can even sign with my "Nice offer!" ;)

Agreed, those plans are more realistic! Nice offer :D

On another note -- sorry to see this thread deteriorate like it did, Zak. I guess this was just a learning experience. Good luck to you :)

Yup .. i bet it was a learning expernience ..

Never use the word "un-metered" or "unlimited" , unless you want to be flamed ( well done ) :eek:

hehe

Too much bull**** for me, the guy can't even give his actual website. His email is from www.prohosters.com and they sure dont have any deal like that

Matt

this is not bull, this is a real plan that we will be releasing when our new site design comes out.

Matt, maybe you could respect Zak's offer and deal with the details in gentlemen fashion?

Peter

Originally posted by ZakT4PH
this is not bull, this is a real plan that we will be releasing when our new site design comes out.

So the plan is not even released yet... Mahahaaa... Didn't think this will still keep getting better :D :D :D

ShareFile,

#1 I think you've been rude and arrogant with this entire thread

#2 If this shows your character I’d be scared to be your client

#3 Maybe you should deal with answering questions about your own product and your "Cogent XP" line.


All in all I am disgusted with the way this thread has turned out. There was NO REASON WHAT SO EVER for you, Robert, to sink this thread to this level. Did I ever once insult you, act irrational or otherwise try and degrade you when trying to get clarifications on your "Cogent XP" advertisement? No, because it would not be polite nor professional of me to do so.

Oh and also

#4, your signature is past the allowed length
Signatures must be kept to a maximum of four lines and contain no more than one website address.

So back off and chill out, you've taken this thread overboard.

Originally posted by DanielP
<snip>

Would it be rude to say that I don't give a damn about what you think Wise Dude?

Calm down guys, I am getting a heartattack over here. :unhappy:

Dan, you know Robert, his is just a really staight-forward, enthasiastic participant.

Robert, Dan is a sensible guy, and I am sure we can all agree that his is indeed the wise one.

Respect for boundary and individuality is the better part of virtue...

Peter

Ok I think you are right Peter but after having my company name censored here today due to OTHERS screw up, I found it digusting of him to have nothing better to say then "Your signature... 4 lines... and blah" :angry:

Well all I wanted to do was to give others an option to get this deal before we launched it.


ANYWAY maybe i should just start over and give my current plans and restate this one. ohhh the agony and ahem of this thread.

As a wise man once said . . . . . . Originally posted by Chicken
Refrain from attacking the offer and please ask questions. . . . . . :rolleyes:

Don't worry about it. My argument with DanielP has nothing to do with you. I already told you that I really liked the other plans you posted... just yet another point why DanielP's comment was "wrong words in the wrong place at the wrong time" :rolleyes:

You guys don't cut anyone any slack anymore do you?

apparently not.

Just one thing if they have even 1 gig-e they are getting WAYYYY better pricing than $125Mbps. I've heard of OC-12 pricing at aroudn $50Mbps or so. With 2 Gig-Es think how cheap it'd be.

finally someone that knows what they are talking about when it comes to bandwidth thank you!

There is a VERIO NOC ... work it out yourself ...

Originally posted by ckpeter
Dan, you know Robert, his is just a really staight-forward, enthasiastic participant.
Enthusiastic doesn't mean rude...

Originally posted by ShareFile
So the plan is not even released yet... Mahahaaa... Didn't think this will still keep getting better :D :D :D

Anyhow, I think we all have the picture and if you're interested, please contact ZakT4PH.