Hey!
Can anyone help me plz?

i am looking for a good RESELLER...
??

www.splashhost.com

Alan would love to have you on board ;)

http://www.splashhost.com/
:confused:
Cannot Find Server..................
Whats wrong?

Originally posted by :: paVel ::
http://www.splashhost.com/
:confused:
Cannot Find Server..................
Whats wrong?
I was going to say that it's probably your ISP but no site from my end too. Alan's probably doing some maintenance on the server, such as a security update or something. I'm sure it will be back asap. Splashhost has a good reputation around these parts. :)

Perhaps some maintenance is happening.

Voxtreme (http://www.voxtreme.com) are well regarded - I use them :)


Lats...

reseller of Hosting? - get your own server, much cheeper - or go with virtual reselling. I use VenturesOnline.com - but they also crash now and then ;)

Voxterme is good. Matt is a great guy.

Not sure where Splashhost is, but I am sure they will be back up soon, and this does not mean their customers are down either, just their site may be down. So try again in a few hours.

what do u think of:

1) http://www.earhost.com ????
2) http://www.mchost.com ?????
3) http://www.voxtreme.com ????

Which one is better?:eek:
:confused:

They all have good reps around here so I think you are alright no matter which one you choose.

SplashHost is up now - I called NAC and asked them to reboot the server for Alan.

See!! That's the type of service you get at Voxtreme :)


Lats...

Originally posted by voxtreme-matt
SplashHost is up now - I called NAC and asked them to reboot the server for Alan.

that's very nice of you!! :)

ok... if i bought Reseller hosting from one of:

1) http://www.earhost.com
.........or
2) http://www.mchost.com
.........or
3) http://www.voxtreme.com

Can anyone expmain to me how can i get money from CUSTOMER... i hered about PayPal... but which one is a good one for a Web Hosting Company?????????/

www.hostcharge.com

HostCharge is a merchant account which lets you accept 15 major credit cards.

so if i signup with http://www.earhost.com
i get http://www.hostcharge.com ACCOUNT for free???
:eek:

Nothing is really for free pavel.

You might want to get yourself a business model first.

I wish you luck.


Lats...

I used to recommend MChost, but after reading their site i do not anymore..

Its full of lies..

© 2000-2001 MCHost

Umm, mchost started in late 2001, not 2000.

Also they say they own their own datacentre..

read this:

Each of the MCHost Network Operation Centers (NOC) features high level security, raised flooring, climate-control, UPS power supply, fire suppression system as well as multiple rebundant connections to major backbones such as UUNET, Level3, Genuity, Sprint and Verizon.

Another lie.. :angry:

Registrant:
SEEKAMERICA NETWORK INC. (MCHOST4-DOM)
PO Box 24059, Lakefront Post Office
KELOWNA, BRITISH COLUMBIA V1Y9P9
CA

Domain Name: MCHOST.COM

Administrative Contact:
MCHost Inc. (BXJHMGLTLO) admin@mchost.com
MCHost Inc.
PO Box 24059, Lakefront PO
Kelowna, BC V1Y9P9
CA
1-250-707-1350 fax: 123 123 1234
Technical Contact:
SEEKAMERICA NETWORK INC. (P1572-OR) admin@seekamerica.com
SEEKAMERICA NETWORK INC.
PO Box 24059, Lakefront Post Office
KELOWNA, BRITISH COLUMBIA V1Y9P9
CA
250 769 3599 fax: 123 123 1234

Record expires on 20-May-2007.
Record created on 20-May-2001.
Database last updated on 5-Jul-2002 06:45:28 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

SERVER1.DNSVAULT.COM 209.51.149.123
SERVER2.DNSVAULT.COM 209.51.149.124

Maybe if Marc would clarify this, than i would only refer more people to mchost..

I am thinking of opening a Web Hosting Company in AUSTRALIA!
(AU dollars)
And i was hoping that some people can help me SITUATION coz i am 16 and not experienced....
So i just wodering which Reseller should i use and which BILLING system should i use....

preferebly in AUSTRALAI!
thankx !:)

Originally posted by edude
I used to recommend MChost, but after reading their site i do not anymore..

Its full of lies..

© 2000-2001 MCHost

Umm, mchost started in late 2001, not 2000.

Also they say they own their own datacentre..

read this:

Each of the MCHost Network Operation Centers (NOC) features high level security, raised flooring, climate-control, UPS power supply, fire suppression system as well as multiple rebundant connections to major backbones such as UUNET, Level3, Genuity, Sprint and Verizon.

Another lie.. :angry:
:eek: "Lie" is a strong word. I'd say a stretch is the better word. Come on, how many hosts talk about the datacenter where their servers are housed, like they own it. Like - "Our datacenter where our servers are housed". I remember a host always talking about "our techs in the datacenter" etc. They were actually the techs that work for the datacenter and not techs that just work for them. They did work for them every now and then, but they were not soley employed by the said host.

I've seen very few hosts who clearly display that their servers are housed in someone elses datacenter and they don't own the datacenter etc. It's just about the marketing...:rolleyes:

I know, but its good to tell the truth to your customers..

SWR, back me up here :) :eek:

Originally posted by edude
I know, but its good to tell the truth to your customers..

SWR, back me up here :) :eek:
I agree 100%, but almost everyone does it etc. [we don't :)]

Originally posted by :: paVel ::
I am thinking of opening a Web Hosting Company in AUSTRALIA!
(AU dollars)
And i was hoping that some people can help me SITUATION coz i am 16 and not experienced....
So i just wodering which Reseller should i use and which BILLING system should i use....

preferebly in AUSTRALAI!
thankx !:)

????????????????????????????????:confused: :confused:

Originally posted by :: paVel ::
so if i signup with http://www.earhost.com
i get http://www.hostcharge.com ACCOUNT for free???
:eek:

Yes you will.

Aussie, i was just reading your site, its really good how you tell the truth that you host your servers at nac!

Good job! :cool:

Originally posted by edude
Aussie, i was just reading your site, its really good how you tell the truth that you host your servers at nac!

Good job! :cool:
I will gladly shout from the rooftops that our servers are in the NAC datacenter. :D

Originally posted by fractiousws


Yes you will.

Can u PLZ expain me which account? and what fees coz i dont understand http://www.hostcharge.com/solutions.php...
And i leave in AUSTRALIA and would like AUS $$$$
THANKX AGAIN!!:)

Originally posted by :: paVel ::
I am thinking of opening a Web Hosting Company in AUSTRALIA!
(AU dollars)
And i was hoping that some people can help me SITUATION coz i am 16 and not experienced....
So i just wodering which Reseller should i use and which BILLING system should i use....

preferebly in AUSTRALAI!
thankx !:)
Don't take this the wrong way, but wait until you're old enough for a business license and spend that time learning about the industry. Maybe work for free for a host etc. If you're asking these types of questions, then you're way too young. Hosting is a deadly serious business. It's not just something that anyone can pick up a reseller account and whip up a site and expect the $$$$ to come rolling in. Research - research - research.

Originally posted by :: paVel ::
I am thinking of opening a Web Hosting Company in AUSTRALIA!
(AU dollars)
And i was hoping that some people can help me SITUATION coz i am 16 and not experienced....
So i just wodering which Reseller should i use and which BILLING system should i use....

preferebly in AUSTRALAI!
thankx !:)

Hmmm that is a tough one because hostcharge is going to charge in American $$ and then charge you a pretty penny to wire it to you. I suggest you maybe get your parents help, they can get a Merchant account at their local bank. You will need to register a business name again you will need their help in doing that. I use CommonWealth Bank in OZ and they were very easy to setup a merchant account with so maybe try them or ANZ bank.

Might be better if your aim is going to be all Australian business.

Originally posted by Aussie Bob

Don't take this the wrong way, but wait until you're old enough for a business license and spend that time learning about the industry. Maybe work for free for a host etc. If you're asking these types of questions, then you're way too young. Hosting is a deadly serious business. It's not just something that anyone can pick up a reseller account and whip up a site and expect the $$$$ to come rolling in. Research - research - research.

research what? look for what?
We have lots of Hosting companies in australia... but they all too expencive... and i think that i can offer MORE for LESS...
what is so difficult about web hosting?
Bought Reseller...
Billing system....
Advertising....
and thats it...
business license - i can get my dad to get one!

Originally posted by Monte


Hmmm that is a tough one because hostcharge is going to charge in American $$ and then charge you a pretty penny to wire it to you. I suggest you maybe get your parents help, they can get a Merchant account at their local bank. You will need to register a business name again you will need their help in doing that. I use CommonWealth Bank in OZ and they were very easy to setup a merchant account with so maybe try them or ANZ bank.

Might be better if your aim is going to be all Australian business.
The odds of a 16yr old running an internet business getting a merchant account with an Australian bank is about the same as you or I winning Gold Lotto. :D :stickout

Hey it could happen I bought my tickets:D

If I win I might give you my customers:)

Originally posted by Monte


Hmmm that is a tough one because hostcharge is going to charge in American $$ and then charge you a pretty penny to wire it to you. I suggest you maybe get your parents help, they can get a Merchant account at their local bank. You will need to register a business name again you will need their help in doing that. I use CommonWealth Bank in OZ and they were very easy to setup a merchant account with so maybe try them or ANZ bank.

Might be better if your aim is going to be all Australian business.

ye i looked at ANZ... but its like $1000/month.,... which i cant efford..
how much does it cost to get business license in AUS???

Originally posted by :: paVel ::


research what? look for what?
We have lots of Hosting companies in australia... but they all too expencive... and i think that i can offer MORE for LESS...
what is so difficult about web hosting?
Bought Reseller...
Billing system....
Advertising....
and thats it...
business license - i can get my dad to get one!
OMG. Ok, I forgot, you're 16 and you know everything. :cartman: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Monte
Hey it could happen I bought my tickets:D
:D
If I win I might give you my customers:)
:laugh: Give 'em to :: paVel ::. He's got the whole hosting business perfected -
research what? look for what?
We have lots of Hosting companies in australia... but they all too expencive... and i think that i can offer MORE for LESS...
what is so difficult about web hosting?
Bought Reseller...
Billing system....
Advertising....
and thats it...
business license - i can get my dad to get one!
:D :stickout

Originally posted by Aussie Bob

OMG. Ok, I forgot, you're 16 and you know everything. :cartman: :rolleyes:

Well u tell me what can be so difficult to Start your OWN Web hosting Company?

Originally posted by :: paVel ::


Well u tell me what can be so difficult to Start your OWN Web hosting Company?
I'll take that as you're joking. :eek: :eek2: :eek3:

Originally posted by Aussie Bob

I'll take that as you're joking. :eek: :eek2: :eek3:

Naa... come on tell me... (it would be very interesting)
:) not joking.

Originally posted by :: paVel ::


Naa... come on tell me... (it would be very interesting)
:) not joking.
I could spend an hour writing about the perils of this business or any business for that matter. Web Hosting is extremely problematic and complex. I would suggest you get experience by offering to host your family and friends for free [through your reseller account] for about 12mths. Then open up your business to the rest of humanity when you're experienced, and possibly over 18.

It's not a business for the faint hearted.

Hi :: paVel ::, which state of Australia are you from?

Jason :)

Originally posted by AMedia
Hi :: paVel ::, which state of Australia are you from?

Jason :)

I am from VICTORIA.... live near Melbourne 40min drive..

Originally posted by Aussie Bob

I could spend an hour writing about the perils of this business or any business for that matter. Web Hosting is extremely problematic and complex. I would suggest you get experience by offering to host your family and friends for free [through your reseller account] for about 12mths. Then open up your business to the rest of humanity when you're experienced, and possibly over 18.

It's not a business for the faint hearted.

ok... so if i buy Reseller hosting and get some customers... without Buisness license... can i still make some money????

Hi, as my domain suggests I am 750Kms or so west. To register a business name in S.A. costs Au$103 for 3 years.

Jason :)

Originally posted by AMedia
Hi, as my domain suggests I am 750Kms or so west. To register a business name in S.A. costs Au$103 for 3 years.

Jason :)

yeee its in SA... but what about VIC?

yeee its in SA... but what about VIC?

I would say....a lot more!!! :eek:

Originally posted by :: paVel ::


ok... so if i buy Reseller hosting and get some customers... without Buisness license... can i still make some money????

LOL I am afraid it is not that simple. Who is going to look after your customers. You do know this is a 24/7 365 business don't you? That means your customers expect answers and they want them fast. Do you have any idea where you are going to get your customers? I have spent nearly 3k in advertising so far this year how much are you going to spend? Any idea of who you are competing against? Really? What is your target market, what are you going to offer that will set you apart?

If I can get my accountant wife to post I will have her give you a list that will make your head spin of what needs to be done to run a business in Australia.

First without a business lic you are not going to get a bank account in the business name without that you are not going to ever be able to take credit cards, and the list goes on.

I really think you should heed Aussie Bobs advice, try and get some experience first.

lol pavel, aussiebob please stop i'm going to get a heart attacking from laughter :D :D :D

Pavel do you know why *most* hosting companies in Australia are expensive?

Its because they colocate their servers or lease them from Australia companies who own their own datacenter, www.flow.com.au for example.

The average bandwidth prices in Australia is 0.15c per MB download and 0.04c per MB upload, bandwidth is expensive in Australia. Now most businesses prefer to host with Australian based companies who host their clients in Australia, its important for most business, especially ones running backend software for Aussie clients. If you're going to come out with plans hosted in the U.S, make sure you target your market correctly.. thats very hard in Australia, i would say because Australia is very different to the U.S, around 1 million Australians are online compared to the 18 million population, the knowledge of the internet is not so high in Australia compared to the U.S..

Btw i like your business model pavel, e-mail it to me ;)

You will recieve the HostCharge select account. If you want a to charge your customers in AU dollars you can. HostCharge supports most currencies. If you wan to make a currency conversion go to www.xe.com . Also it costs $15 to wire money internationally and $1 to send a check anywhere.

Hello,

I would just like to explain what happened with the Splash Host server, that server has proven to be a bit unreliable lately. Im working to find out whats causing it. Splash Host doesnt provide 24/7 support but we are contactable 24/7 in emergency, how ever for some reason none of customers used the emergency contact method that has been listed in our forums for months. You shouldnt judge our company by the reliability of this server, it is actually the least reliable of all the servers we have.

Alan its good to see another host tell the truth ;)

Originally posted by edude
Alan its good to see another host tell the truth ;)
Yes. :) I know some hosts who claim 24/7 support because you can email them 24/7. :eek: :rolleyes:

lol Aussiebob, where do you come up with these funny experiences :confused:

lol Aussiebob, where do you come up with these funny experiences

I thought Queensland was full of funny experiences! ;) :eek:

Originally posted by edude
I know, but its good to tell the truth to your customers..

SWR, back me up here :) :eek: You are correct. But, I don't think it's fair to the thread starter if we continue this conversation in this thread.
It's been addressed and he can take it for what it's worth.
But, I agree with you 2000%

Originally posted by edude
I used to recommend MChost, but after reading their site i do not anymore..

By only reading someone's site you can judge their service? We have filed for trademarks in 2000, which gives us the right to use the © 2000-2001 on our website. The domain 'mchost.com' was registred earlier, first in use in 2001 when we started, but before that transferred to another registrar. And i don't see anywhere on our website where we claim to have our own data center. Perhaps if you would get your facts from the source first, before publicly flaming a company, it would give us a chance to clarify a few things :)

Each of the MCHost Network Operation Centers (NOC)

So the above does not mean you own the NOCs?

Also, your site shows "New! Take our Data Center Tour! " . . . . . Does not that imply that it is mchost's data center?

I am not flaming you, just trying to find out the truth. Now if i was a webhosting provider and i posted that reply, than i would be flaming you.

You are still deceiving. Whether you hold copyright to the name or not. You are implying that the site (not the name) was copyrighted in 2000.

It doesn't matter anyway, many hosts do this. :angry: :angry: :angry:

Originally posted by edude
Also, your site shows "New! Take our Data Center Tour!

I suppose we could write 'Take our competitor's data center tour!'. Who's data center tour should potential clients take? Ours or someone else's?

Originally posted by edude
You are still deceiving. Whether you hold copyright to the name or not.

Consult your lawyer about proper copyright and trademark usage.

You cannot copyright a name. Copyright applies to a full work, not a word or a title.

You can trademark a name.

Originally posted by edude
© 2000-2001 MCHost
Umm, mchost started in late 2001, not 2000.

So? If they published any of the material on their site in 2000, whether it was called MCHost or not, it can be copyrighted. I don't quite understand what your point is here.

I took a look at that data center tour thing last week and I have to say it is going a bit far with the whole thing to offer a tour of your datacenter and show pics of dv2.

However, I see no problem in pointing out the great aspects of 'your' datacenter to your customers. It is after all the datacenter used by Mchost, is it not?

Originally posted by Kiwi


By only reading someone's site you can judge their service? We have filed for trademarks in 2000, which gives us the right to use the © 2000-2001 on our website. The domain 'mchost.com' was registred earlier, first in use in 2001 when we started, but before that transferred to another registrar. And i don't see anywhere on our website where we claim to have our own data center. Perhaps if you would get your facts from the source first, before publicly flaming a company, it would give us a chance to clarify a few things :)

1) Applying for a trademark for something 'not in use' does not equal a copyright. They are two separet things. A copyright protects your written work. Well your site didn't go live until 2001. Also, not sure how you applied for a trademark in 2000, when you must establish first of use. In your own words "first in use in 2001 when we started". Mark, I am curiuos, please send me your trademark file number. Either Canadian or US -based will do. I want validate this. Of course I can do the research, but I figured I would save time by asking you. Even if you stopped the trademark or it was rejected, it would still be in the IPO database.

2) Transfering a registrar DOES NOT change the date when it was bought. The NSI global registry make certain of that. No, that name was bought on the VERY date it says.


This is not a flame, but as many of you know, I love to call people out who post things that are not true. Smoke and mirrors don't work on everyone.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
Also, not sure how you applied for a trademark in 2000, when you must establish first of use.

You can apply for trademarks with the intentions to use the trademark, without it being in use.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
2) Transfering a registrar DOES NOT change the date when it was bought. The NSI global registry make certain of that. No, that name was bought on the VERY date it says.

It does if you register it with NetworkSolutions and transfer it to a new account. Same with the domain 'mcgroup.com', it has been registred since 1997, but the WHOIS record shows 'Record created on 12-Nov-2001.'

Originally posted by Kiwi


You can apply for trademarks with the intentions to use the trademark, without it being in use.


What are you trademarking then? If nothing is in use, what do you trademark.

This page on the US Govt's website says that is not true:

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/doc/basic/appcontent.htm#spec

Intent to use has these restrictions:
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/doc/basic/addreq.htm

This is of course if you are applying for US based - which I assume you would since most your customers and hardware is here.


I just spent 15 minutes searching the US and Canadian trademark database. Not a single app has been sent from MCHost, MCHost Inc. or SEEKAMERICA NETWORK INC.

What did you submit the request under?

Originally posted by Kiwi


It does if you register it with NetworkSolutions and transfer it to a new account. Same with the domain 'mcgroup.com', it has been registred since 1997, but the WHOIS record shows 'Record created on 12-Nov-2001.'


You said you transfered registars in your first post. Transfer of registrar DOES NOT change the date. As stated before, the global registry makes sure of this. Now you are saying you transfered ownership? Sure, transfer of ownership would change the date. But that means you transfered ownership or purchased that name from someone else. So it was not yours to begin with.

The bottom line is you posted BS and I will not bite. Look, you incorrectly posted some things. No big deal - we all do it, but at least admit it. Instead you post more BS.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
This is not a flame, but as many of you know, I love to call people out who post things that are not true. Smoke and mirrors don't work on everyone.
I do miss the days of smoke and mirrors. ;) :D <j/k>

Originally posted by Kiwi
It does if you register it with NetworkSolutions and transfer it to a new account. Same with the domain 'mcgroup.com', it has been registred since 1997, but the WHOIS record shows 'Record created on 12-Nov-2001.' Do you mean that the domain was moved from one NSI account to another NSI account, or transfered from one registrar to another? Now I am curious... when was the MCHost site launched?

According to the WHT database, the first post I can find on MCHost is this:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=11420
where you ask for opinions on a logo for MCHost, yet the logo isn't even at the mchost.com domain, but on another. Post dates to 05-23-2001 (mchost.com - Record created on 20-May-2001 per whois)

From your site I thought you also "owned" the NOC. I sent in a sales email the other day to you asking about this, yet no response. I'd expect to have it clearly state who owns and operates what, because otherwise you are giving the impression that you are much larger than you actually are. Even if you rephrased it to "The Network Operation Centers (NOC) features high level security..." without the MCHost part would be more truthful. You don't have to advertise which NOC you use, maybe phrase it like above and state where it is located (if its in the US the state, or what-have you), but don't lie that it's an MCHost NOC.

I was really considering getting a server from you after I recieved an advertisment that you had some servers ready to setup. I like the way the reseller program you have is setup and would like to utilize that with my own program... however I would not be able to go with a company that is not being truthful to the public.. even if you are just playing on words.. to me I was almost decieved hadn't someone mentioned those were pictures from another data center.

Originally posted by Kiwi
I suppose we could write 'Take our competitor's data center tour!'. Who's data center tour should potential clients take? Ours or someone else's?

IMO you shouldn't hide where you are at.. when at Verio I had a tour on my site of their data center and it said it was Verio, not anything else. You shouldn't have to decieve your clients, if you have something special (which you do.. otherwise I'd have gone with another cpanel provider.. preferably even a cpanel partner noc.. yet they wouldn't be able to offer me the script you use for your resellers) and something your upstream does not, then you have nothing to worry about. Honesty is always the best way, always.

Anyway, sorry for the long post and somewhat being off-topic.. but I was really thinking about having my reseller servers with MCHost and now that I feel decieved I don't really think it will happen. :bawling: If Marc would clarify, or even change what his site says.. I'd maybe reconsider and pray nothing else is deceitful about his company.

I see no problem with MCHost's network information description. Before you start criticizing how they use the word "our", how many of the hosts so quick to critique state "our" servers when actually they are not "owned" by you but instead leased through your dedicated provider???

HostMagik, "Our servers are monitored 24/7 at a state-of-the-art Data Center facility. We are on an extremely reliable network with redundant connections to several Tier 1 providers for ultimate speed and reliability!"

Do you own these servers?

HostMagik, "Our servers are monitored 24/7 at a state-of-the-art Data Center facility. We are on an extremely reliable network with redundant connections to several Tier 1 providers for ultimate speed and reliability!"

Do you own these servers?

when a person leases a server it is "their server" it is used for what they want, it is not used by others and not shared by others without permission of the person that leases it. The same as the car I lease, I say it is MY CAR, because I am the sole person responsible for it and no-one else can use it without my permission.

I am not going to get into the debate of whether MChost should / should not use that particular phrase to descibe the datacenter where their servers are as it is not my place to do so.

Originally posted by Vox - Tony


when a person leases a server it is "their server" it is used for what they want

I'm sorry but you're wrong. I assure you that the lessee has usage restrictions on the machine. Can the "owner" use it for spam or change hardware without the approval of the hosting provider? Nope.. because it is not owned by you but instead rented.

The legal definition of lease:

a contract or agreement for the occupancy or use of one party's property by another for a specified period of time and in exchange for monetary or other compensation; rental agreement.

Answer to UmBillyCord's questions: You're missing something here, it can take several months for the trademarks to appear in the online database. One of our trademarks mentioned in that thread would be "SEEKAMERICA". Take a look at: http://www.nameprotect.com/cgi-bin/FREESearch/search.cgi?action=SEARCH&db=PTO&ss=seekamerica

All our service names (MCHost, MCGroup, M**********, MCServers, etc.) are trademarked; its just a matter of time until they appear in the online database. Once it appears in the online database, you will see the filing dates and i expect an apology from you ..it can be over email if you wish.

Also, about the domain name transfers ..they were owned by us before and have been transferred to a Network Solutions account and we have taken the opportunity to change the WHOIS information of the registrar as well.

Answer to Elena's questions: Nowhere on our website we are stating that 'we own these data centers'. The text may be confusing, i agree. I just changed that one word that has been bugging everyone so much. Please take a look at it now.

Now please everyone that has been flaming MCHost in this thread, please open a separate thread about ApolloHosting which is using similar words, such as "Check out our Data Center Tour" and even worse "Our Network Operations Center" at http://www.apollohosting.com/host/ourservers.shtml , but they are a client of Alabanza.

Honestly, i am amazed how certain people (don't take it personally) can try finding errors and faults in someone else's business; instead of working on their own business during that time. For everyone that has any doubts in our services, domain names, trademarks, etc. please contact me at marc@mchost.com as i seriously cannot spend all day reading 3rd party forums and posting replies; i have a business to run and work to do, i hope you understand. :)

Originally posted by option

I'm sorry but you're wrong. I assure you that the lessee has usage restrictions on the machine. Can the "owner" use it for spam or change hardware without the approval of the hosting provider? Nope.. because it is not owned by you but instead rented.


Interesting... Well hell I'm going to start colocating then, since I "own" the machine if I colo I can SPAM right?

Your arguement holds no merit, upstream providers don't allow SPAM, whether or not you "own the server". Furthermore, in regards to "changing the hardware". If I, for example, own a house (making monthly payments) and I decide I want to add something, like a garage, on MY property, I have to get permission FROM the U.S. Government to do anything.

So therefore, by your statement, I don't own my property, the U.S. Government does? Whether you Colocate or have a Dedicated machine there are usage restrictions.

Originally posted by comphosting


Interesting... Well hell I'm going to start colocating then, since I "own" the machine if I colo I can SPAM right?


I'm curious.. where in my post did I say you can spam when colocating? Where in my post did I say you can't make additions to a home under a mortgage?

Originally posted by option


Can the "owner" use it for spam or change hardware without the approval of the hosting provider? Nope.. because it is not owned by you but instead rented.


You may not have said the exact words, but your post sure implied that if you own the hardware you can send spam. Generally a colo provider's content/spam rules are the same whether you own the hardware or they do.

*sigh* You made 2 points arguing that saying "My Server" when your on a dedicated machine is wrong. However, my counter-points were that the same applies whether you own the server or not.

Therefore, your points don't have any merit.
A better tip from me to you: I'd get your post count up before you already start breaking forum rules.

Since I doubt you'll bother to look:


We take the "be polite" rule VERY seriously! We do not tolerate ANY rudeness. Any member who is intentionally unpleasant or disruptive will receive one warning (at our discretion), and if the member offends again the member will be banned without warning.

Sorry Marc, it is you who is missing something. Someone questioned your use of 2000 in your copyright. You post some crap about a trademark and how it ok's use of the copyright. Now you worm around by feeding lines of Seekamerica was your trademark and somehow that OKs the use of 2000 on a copyright for MCHost.

No, your company came to be in May of 2001. EVERYONE knows that.

Also, you filed as something not even related to your MCHost business. I like how you are trying to combine the two to valadate your arguement. Also, your Seekamerica wordmark does not cover your MCHost one. That is like saying a Chrystler TM will cover Jeep.

IC 042. US 100 101. G & S: PROVIDING A WIDE RANGE OF GENERAL INTEREST INFORMATION VIA COMPUTER NETWORKS, NAMELY SEARCH-ENGINE SERVICES. FIRST USE: 19990810. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19990810


Once it appears in the online database, you will see the filing dates and i expect an apology from you ..it can be over email if you wish.

Fair enough. Once I see a filing date of before 5/2001, you got it. If we don't, feel free to come back here and apologize to those you are misleading.

What kills me about this and the other *little* issues I debate around here, is people like you get caught is a lie or total BS. Instead of just admitting it, you worm around. Sure, this is not a huge deal. But what is too me is the simple fact you still try to valadate your post with more BS.


Honestly, i am amazed how certain people (don't take it personally) can try finding errors and faults in someone else's business; instead of working on their own business during that time. For everyone that has any doubts in our services, domain names, trademarks, etc. please contact me at marc@mchost.com as i seriously cannot spend all day reading 3rd party forums and posting replies; i have a business to run and work to do, i hope you understand.

What another load of crap! You have 1900 post since may 2001. Who are you kidding? I can't believe how much time you spend on forums. Everytime I see a negative post, within hours, there you are. From Sitepoint to WHT, you are always posting.

Also, it is not about *finding* errors. It is about pointing out errors in someones post who does not wish to play it straight. No matter how small the issue, a lie is a lie. It is called honesty.


Now please everyone that has been flaming MCHost in this thread, please open a separate thread about ApolloHosting which is using similar words, such as "Check out our Data Center Tour" and even worse "Our Network Operations Center" at http://www.apollohosting.com/host/ourservers.shtml , but they are a client of Alabanza.

... but sister did it too. :bawling:

Nothing like pointing out someone elses BS to defend yours.

My comment still stands. I don't live here nor rely on my post count to gain respect from anyone here.

However, as I had posted previously, your point doesn't. However, this thread has gotten completely off-track, and hopefully Chicken, or another mod, will come and take care of that.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
What kills me about this and the other *little* issues I debate around here, is people like you get caught is a lie or total BS. Instead of just admitting it, you worm around. Sure, this is not a huge deal. But what is too me is the simple fact you still try to valadate your post with more BS.

Its not BS. I know its not because i have personally filled out all the trademark documents for MCHOST and others ages ago. You are correct, the marks mentioned above and MCHOST have nothing to do with each other, i have never said that.

I have just proved to you about what you called me a liar a few replies ago, that you could not find anything about this trademark.

You can contact any lawyer and they will tell you that the online trademarks database is sometimes over 2 years behind with the data.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
From Sitepoint to WHT, you are always posting.

I think i may have a right to post on this or that public forum.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
Nothing like pointing out someone elses BS to defend yours.

Nothing like spending all day flaming successful companies, even though its pointless and you have no proof. However, i have shown you proof in the earlier thread about what you called me a liar.

Have a great day :)

Originally posted by :: paVel ::
Hey!
Can anyone help me plz?

i am looking for a good RESELLER...
?? So. . . . . Did you find a reseller?

We have filed for trademarks in 2000, which gives us the right to use the © 2000-2001 on our website.

This is a false post. You posted it. Yet you still do not see it. But you validate my arguement here:

You are correct, the marks mentioned above and MCHOST have nothing to do with each other, i have never said that.

Look,
1) Seekamerica TMs have nothing to do with MCHost.
2) Trademarks not related to your business, do not allow you to add years to a copyright.

The text may be confusing, i agree. I just changed that one word that has been bugging everyone so much.

So is putting a Copyright of 2000, when you didn't even have MCHost until halfway through 2001.


However, i have shown you proof in the earlier thread about what you called me a liar.

Really. You showed me a trademark for some search engine company you were planning on using. What does that have to do with MCHost?



Nothing like spending all day flaming successful companies

There is one thing that is standard with some of you who post here. The minute you are called out or questioned, you think it is a flame. Read my first post in reply to your false post. No flame anywhere. Of course it is always easier to play the picked on little kid in the school yard and say you are getting flamed. Sympathy does drive support. Touché!

I haven't seen any flaming. All I've seen is a few people asking some questions and a few others getting upset that they were asked.

It's like a Catch 22 on this forum. Every member seems to jump on the bandwagon when a decent host is recommended here. Everyone wants to join in with the glowing reviews.

Here's the catch.. when you do become successful, there are some that become envious of your accomplishments (usually the same people that once recommended you). And since their own lives are so pathetic, they feel good trying to now destroy what you have created.

I've witnessed this time and time again on these forums. The ones who are offended by this comment and feel an overwhelming need to respond.. I'm talking about you.

And since their own lives are so pathetic, they feel good trying to now destroy what you have created.

Wow. A few people can destroy a business here at WHT. What power we have. To quote your intelligent post earlier to another user here:

Originally posted by option
<<Removed: Rude, user warned>>


My comments exactly. Good boy. Now roll over.....

Aww, did I find someone who had their feelings hurt? LOL.

Originally posted by option
Aww, did I find someone who had their feelings hurt? LOL.

Naw, I just love the action. ;)

He does. :D

Well I'll confess, I stirred up all this controversy because I just wanted Chicken to make his 10.000th post by banning me from the forums. :stickout

Originally posted by Kiwi
Answer to Elena's questions: Nowhere on our website we are stating that 'we own these data centers'. The text may be confusing, i agree. I just changed that one word that has been bugging everyone so much. Please take a look at it now.Excellent, that's all I needed to know that you were actually caring about what was being said here. The copyright stuff doesn't bother me... those are technicalities. Since I felt misled about the NOC part.. that's why I even commented.

Option, yes I do not own, however when speaking directly with Ventures Online (my provider) about issues I state directly to them "My server has been...." etc. etc. Now if I were to tell Ventures Online "My data center has been...." etc. etc. well, I don't think they would let me do that and I'm almost positive they would take the time to tell me that is definetely wrong to say. I control and manage every aspect of my server... I do not control or manager every aspect of the data center.. thus saying I own the datacenter (or even stating The HostMagik Data Center would be false and misleading) would show some form of greater control over things when there is no control at all.

I don't know if I explained that clearly enough, but yeah.. that's how I feel about it and for the record I am not flaming but concerned because I want to use MCHost as a provider.. now if only Marc or someone else from over there could reply to my sales e-mail. :rolleyes: ;) I look forward to still trying them out, and hopefully I can boast about their service levels as much as I do about VO's.. to be ashamed or even slightly worried about anyone knowing where I choose to have my servers is a waste of time.. if someone wants to find that information out there are several ways to do so.

Originally posted by option
Here's the catch.. when you do become successful, there are some that become envious of your accomplishments (usually the same people that once recommended you). And since their own lives are so pathetic, they feel good trying to now destroy what you have created.
Yes, it does seem that UmBillyCord is like a dog on a bone here, with his relentless pursuit of details. BUT I see his comments more having a balancing effect than a negative effect.

Kind of a negative force around all the positive marketing stuff. He picked me up on a few issues, for which I wasn't grateful, but at the same time I was grateful. You need that balance of positive and negative to find the truth.

I really don't see all this as a personal attack on Kiwi from UmBillyCord. It's just one member of the community calling into question certian aspects about another member's posts etc. I see no flaming here or hidden agenda to destroy Kiwi's business.

Bob?????

I don't think I've ever said this to you before . . . . . . . .


But,


I agree. :D




Well, except for that "it does seem that UmBillyCord is like a dog on a bone here" part. :eek:




:D

Yes, it does seem that UmBillyCord is like a dog on a bone here, with his relentless pursuit of details. BUT I see his comments more having a balancing effect than a negative effect.

Kind of a negative force around all the positive marketing stuff. He picked me up on a few issues, for which I wasn't grateful, but at the same time I was grateful. You need that balance of positive and negative to find the truth.



I couldn't have asked for a better description. Thanks. Someone needs to do the dirty work. Since I am not out for a popularity vote, it mid-as-well be me.

'Attention to detail' is my middle name.

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
I haven't seen any flaming. All I've seen is a few people asking some questions and a few others getting upset that they were asked.

woah you folks completely lost it. :rolleyes: sitting at the computer all day running from one host slamming thread to another, trying to be right.maybe someone is typing with 1 hand and getting off by doing this. you had a point with the data center thing, it has been discussed and resolved. now get over it.

maybe its time to look at your own host such as getmehosted.com that are saying they are burstnet partners when they are only clients. if i buy bandwidth and a server from verio, am i a verio partner?

false advertising ? :rolleyes:

by the way. happy mchost reseller here.:D

Originally posted by :: paVel ::
Hey!
Can anyone help me plz?

i am looking for a good RESELLER...
??
I think we've gotten off this...