Question :

AMHow i can do modification in name servers, if your site i mean
godaddy site is not coming in Pakistan ?

Answer :

Dear Munawar Hussain,
We have blocked Pakistan due to it being a known Terrorist-friendly state. This is per request of the United States Government, which we comply with. Please let us know if there is anything else we can help you with. Visit our web forum for information that may answer some of your questions at:
Supportwebsite.com
Sincerely,
Nate J.
Customer Care Representative

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What they want to do after hiding godaddy site, and how godaddy registered users will work , does this site blocking will stop terriroism, if yes then how ? many other doamin registeretaion sites coming in Paksitan, in my opinion only this way give trouble to registered users. what do you say ?

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Wow! Go USA! Finally the US government taking some action to prevent the spread of cyber crimes in pakistan.

Got another reply from godaddy


Dear Munawar Hussain,

Please excuse me, however I was mistaken about the reason of blocking Pakistan - it's blocked due to a high occurance of fraud. The only reasons we block countries is due to fraud or being terrorist-friendly. Please let us know if there is anything else we can help you with. Visit our web forum for information that may answer some of your questions at:

Supportwebsite.com

Sincerely,
Nate J.
Customer Care Representative

Damn fraudie terrorists! :)

>>We have blocked Pakistan
I love it when Americans block developing contries - more customers for me!

damn, that wasn't a nice reply from GoDaddy. :mad: Well, maybe there are fraud problems but other people will suffer due to that. Ask them if the blockage will be removed in the near future or not.

The representative Nate J. did not even know what she was talking about.

It was a racist comment to just blindly say without even knowing that you are from a terrorist country and therefore we dont wanna do business with u.

Then she comes back the real reason. Many of the shopping sites are also not letting pakistani ips use credit cards. It is a fact that many people steal credit cards in pakistan and get away with it easy so this was a good decision not to let the whole population use it unless the government puts strict rules for credit card theft. out there.

Why dont u file a legal law suit against This customer care rep. ? i am sure u can win the case due to the racist remarks.

Originally posted by SalmanKhana
The representative Nate J. did not even know what she was talking about.

It was a racist comment to just blindly say without even knowing that you are from a terrorist country and therefore we dont wanna do business with u.

Then she comes back the real reason. Many of the shopping sites are also not letting pakistani ips use credit cards. It is a fact that many people steal credit cards in pakistan and get away with it easy so this was a good decision not to let the whole population use it unless the government puts strict rules for credit card theft. out there.

Why dont u file a legal law suit against This customer care rep. ? i am sure u can win the case due to the racist remarks.

Racist? Where?
Nate J was just using a canned message.

abu Ali :)

Why bother argueing - just get another registrar :)

www.Joker.com
www.eNom.com
www.DirectI.com

Star Gate is also nice, but WHT blockes their URL here.

Use namecheap.com, i really trsust them

I think it was a good move by GoDaddy, no offence, but it is true that a very high level of fraud comes from Pakistan. I personally have had a lot of 'orders' from so called businesses in Pakistan only to find the credit card doesnt pass our payment gateway fraud system.

Hussain, how do they expect you to make nameserver modifications, and other domain specific tasks, that must be done through their control panel?

I cant believe I just read that!

Does that mean the USA government will ask godaddy to stop registering domain for Irish (IRA), Spain (ETA) and every other country that has a terrorist war going on?..Or is it just the enemy countries of America??

I dont want to turn this into a political discussion but I wouldnt take that sitting down!

Email GoDaddy or Mr Bush for the answer to that.:D

more customers for others i guess.

I will....Is his email still georgebush@hotmail.com? :) The last I heard he changed to Yahoo! Its so hard to keep track of him these days

Try GeeDubya@aol.com.

Godaddy are racists! :mad:

It seems like a large group of Americans are now racists because of what happened September 11th.

Well, have I got news for you: Not all Pakistans/Afghanistans/Whatever are terrorists!

Geez, that poor guy could just sue Godaddy's ass if he wanted too.

And for the record: I'm not from the middle east, I'm from Sweden.

There are plenty of domain registrars out here - you don't have to do business with any one of us if you don't like our policies or practices.

When you operate at such a low margin as GoDaddy does, you cannot afford any fraud. It does not surprise me that they are blocking whole countries where fraud is an issue.

We get a significant number of fraudulent transactions a month, and though we get the domain names back, they are rarely anything interesting for us to resell - so we basically eat the fraud costs.

We have talked about blocking access to our ordering pages from a number of IP blocks in order to cut our fraud losses. We may still do so at some point, but I do understand where GoDaddy are coming from.

It's very difficult to prosecute credit card fraud outside of the US, and the perps know it and take advantage of it.

-t

thewitt,

Yeah right, as if you get more frauds from countries like Pakistan than the US. Who are you trying to fool? :rolleyes:

I don't mean to sound rude, but that is just a pathetic excuse.

Arent there other security measures godaddy can take to prevent fraud instead of blocking all orders from a single country?

The fact of the matter is they said in their email that they were complying with US law and not selling domains to "Terrorist Friendly" nations.

That is discriminating against a race. That is Racism!

Originally posted by andiegirl
Yeah right, as if you get more frauds from countries like Pakistan than the US. Who are you trying to fool? :rolleyes:

I don't mean to sound rude, but that is just a pathetic excuse.
I'm sorry if you don't believe me, but it's true. We don't get many fraudulent credit card orders from the US at all.

The IP addresses for the last 6 months of fraudulent orders map primarily to Indonesia, Pakistan and Turkey.

I'm sorry if this offends you.

-t

Originally posted by Eurofficial
The fact of the matter is they said in their email that they were complying with US law and not selling domains to "Terrorist Friendly" nations.
I'm not sure what law they are using here, but we have not had any such instructions from the US government.

It's much more likely they are responding to a high frequency of fraudulent credit card orders than any US government edict to block Pakistan. I'm purely speculating however - they may indeed have been asked to block certain nations, however we have not been asked anything similar.

-t

Actually, if you read all the messages, you'll see they sent a follow-up message stating they don't sell to Pakistan because of fraud:

Dear Munawar Hussain,

Please excuse me, however I was mistaken about the reason of blocking Pakistan - it's blocked due to a high occurance of fraud. The only reasons we block countries is due to fraud or being terrorist-friendly. Please let us know if there is anything else we can help you with. Visit our web forum for information...

BTW, regardless, there was nothing racist in any of the messages.

Here's some more up-to-date information about the U.S. and economic sanctions. They do sometimes limit what countries U.S. businesses can deal with.

http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/sanctions/index.html

IMHO
1. "Pakistans" is not a race of people. They are a nation. Neither is "US citizen" a race.
2. US laws do not automatically cover or protect non-US citizens.

um, if godaddy wants to block access to entire countries because of fraud, then they have every right to BUT they should let existing customers (who have paid for the domain) use the control panel --- that is the situation here... or am i missing something?? :eek:

I am aware that Pakistan is a nation! The people of Pakistan or the Pakistanis ARE a race of people, The same way the Irish are a race, and the english are a race, therefore if godaddy were to admit that the reason they blocked the order was because America thinks Pakistan is a "Terrorist friendly country" then that IS racism.

For those of you who do not know what racism is, read the definition below

“Any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment, or exercise, on equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural, or any other field of public life.”

Before people write back saying "Godaddy sent a second email saying it was for fraud purposes and not because Pakistan is a "terrorist friendly country" - I know! - but the fact that they even said it in their first email is a F***in disgrace!

It is racism only if all other conditions are equal and you choose not to do business with someone based soley upon race.

In other words, if a country has the lowest rate of fraud in the world, and has the same position as your staunchest ally on important issues, but you choose not to do business with them because of their race -- then it's racism.

If you choose not to do business with a country because you do not support their actions (for example fraud or support of terrorists), then that is based upon their actions and not their race.

Well I would like to see godaddy's list of countries that they dont do business with.
If they were to refuse to do business with every country that has links to credit card fraud or terrorism they wouldnt have many clients!!

well if you didnt know this its actually a federal law for all businesses operating in the united states that they cannot sell or trade with the following list of countries :
Cuba
Iraq
Iran
Kuwait
Afghanistan
Somalia

there are a few others i forget them but it is a federal law its also better known as a embargo. it isnt a basis of racism its a basis of law if godaddy is not selling to residents of those countries it clearly just means there going by the books and NSI and many others do the same and being the godaddy is suing NSI it would be smart for them to be violating federal embargo's during a civil suit.

I see Pakistan NOT in the above list...

yes and i also did state there where a few others but those listed are covered in U.S. Code its not penal but it is [USC] ill go gather a complete list from the u.s. state departments site one sec

I believe AddmanII gave us all the information for that http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/sanctions/index.html

Upto Date List Of Countries With Embargo's Or Trade & Sales Denials[ www.state.gov & pmdtc.org ] :
Afghanistan
Angola
Armenia
Azerbaijan
Burma
Belarus
China (PR)
Cuba
Cyprus
Haiti
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Liberia
Libya
North Korea
Pakistan
Rwanda
Somalia
Sudan
Syria
Vietnam
Yemen
Zaire
Zimbabwe
those listed countries have embargo's with the united states and allias of the U.S. there embargo's are each different it varies by country some countries can have some things some cant buy anything it all depends on their status type i personally think internet embargo's dont qualify as trading but ill check with local coc i still intend on making sales with internation customers embargo or not until notified by COC or the state that we cant but ill do a little research Hussain i reccomend trying a different registrar.

While were all trying to be politically correct, next time you fly, pay no attention to the foriegner with electrical wires hanging out of his pocket, after all it could just be a electrician.

Call me racist, call me what ever you want, but i think its great for godaddy to block countrys where possible terrorist activity is. I myself would even go as far as requesting another flight if i saw someone suspicious or that that fits the profile of what i think a terrorist would look like.

Am i profiling? Yes.. Do I care? NO... I dont plan to get blown up because everyone out there is walking around on tip toes. If i see a guy jump up on a plane im on when your suppose to be seated or someone yelling and screaming at the staff. Im going to tell them to sit down and shut up and if they dont their gonna get tackled by me personally.

Some of my best friends are those of other races and decents as well as colors, so im for sure NOT racist. But ill be Darned if im gonna let something like 9/11 happen again, if i have a chance to prevent it. Even if that means stepping on some shoes.

Hope this doesnt offend anyone, ive kept quiet since 9/11 on the whole thing, and darn it feels good to let it out.

ahh thanks euro :) didnt see that really is sad some of these countries have had embargo's for 20+ years

cbaker i can agree that some action can be taken against terrorist countries but i mean its quite outrageous to state that one individual cant register a domain .

cbaker17, I'm all with you. I couldn't have put it better myself.

New York Times has an article today titled, "E-Tailers Wary of Credit Card Fraud". Some exerpts...

CD Universe, an online music, movies and games retailer, is among the Web sites that have scaled back their overseas businesses. According to the company's chief executive, Charles Beilman, the Web site has stopped sending orders to Romania, Bulgaria and Indonesia, among others, because of the high rate of credit card fraud he has encountered with customers from those countries.

"It's unfortunate," Mr. Beilman said. "I'm sure we had handful of legitimate customers in Romania," he said. "But when eight out of every 10 orders are frauds, I just can't keep doing it."



Buy.com is another example. According to Brent Rusick, the company's chief operating officer, Buy.com stopped shipping to all but 25 foreign nations in March and implemented stiff rules for customers on the list of 25, chiefly because of fraud concerns.

Countries that did not make the list include all those in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet republics, as well as Indonesia, the Koreas and China.