Ok, thought id let everyone know im sat here typing less one finger, the one i used to touch an Athlong 1GHZ processor 2 seconds after i turned it on.

It literally melted the skin (hince me sitting here in agony dipping my finger in water occasionally) , my question, exactly how hot does this Athlon run? cos ive run my P3 without a heatsink for months and it works fine but 1 second after i removed the heat sink off an Athlon the computer crashed and never turned on again, probably core burn out?? would you agree?

It seems stupid that chips should ever run that hot, it certainly put me off EVER getting an AMD chip knowing how hot they actually run !

you should have read this (http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=28234) before you did that. Besides, why would you want to run a CPU without a CPU Fan? :)

Umm.... 1 BILLION CYCLES PER SECOND!!!!

How hot does your engine run at 5,000/minute?!!

You think this is AMD's fault? Geeze...

i have a 900mhz amd athlon, i had to get a bigger heatsink for it and the pc still gets incredibly hot when its running.

But then i burnt ou an ibm 233 so go figure LOL

If you are burning out there is one of 2 things happening:

1. You're overclocking
2. The board/chip/heatsink is defective. Take it back.

hmm, in other words AMD just "forgot" to implement an Overheat protection system, seems funny Intel put one of those in their chips by default to stop things like this happening.

Looks like ill be getting they guy to replace the mobo and the CPU for a more reliable Intel version that runs a little cooler and has some sort of protection for this type of scenario, Bad luck AMD.

Thanx for your advice, I looked on tomshardware but couldnt find anything, thanx to the guy with the amazing search system :-)

Was the computer still powered up when you removed the heatsink? Because as soon as you remove the heatsink without hitting the power, the cpu will burn out.

Always hit the power when you're in the case... if you don't, you will notice your money supply dwindling as well...

yeah, was still powered up, just as my P3 was powered up when the thermal bonding came loose from the chip but that never fried, I only noticed that had failed when I heared the fan clicking against a wire it had fallen on.

I never did like AMD but this just sealed the processors/manufacturers fate right before my eyes.

Yup, you can't take the heatsink off of the core until you disconnect the power -- or you'll burn the core.

That's not even covered by the warranty - since it was your fault -- unfortunately.

Don't even disconnect the cpu fan from the motherboard without turning the power off -- that'll blow the core as well.

Well... Running your PIII w/out a heat sink is fine b/c PIII comes w/ a built in protection devices that clocks down the CPU to get it back to a stable temperature.

AMD's don't include this. This is what happens when you remove the heatsinks from 4 major proccessors.
http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q3/010917/images/cpu2.jpg
(From left to right up to down P4 2Ghz, P3 1Ghz, AMD 1.4Ghz, AMD AthlonMP 1.2 Ghz.)

If you were wondering the temperature of a AMD 1400 w/out a hearsink running is
370C / 698F So yeah... You burned the hell outta your finger and the chip (maybe the mobo) is toasted.

Full Text Of TomsHardware Article
---> How Modern Processors Copy With Heat Emergencies (http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q3/010917/index.html)


Just The Good Stuff [ The videos :D ]
---> Need DivX 4.01 [ 352x288 2:220 ] (9MB) (http://www12.tomshardware.com/images/THG_CPU_Cooling.zip)

my AMD 1 GHZ runs @ around 48 degree C (convert it into F) (4 pcs)
my AMD 1.13 GHz thunderbird runs @ around 67-69 degree C
my AMD 500 Mhz runs @ around 39 degree C

general temp here is around 29-31 Degree C

i don't have any pentinum :eek3:

Originally posted by xtstrike
Ok, thought id let everyone know im sat here typing less one finger, the one i used to touch an Athlong 1GHZ processor 2 seconds after i turned it on.

It literally melted the skin (hince me sitting here in agony dipping my finger in water occasionally) , my question, exactly how hot does this Athlon run? cos ive run my P3 without a heatsink for months and it works fine but 1 second after i removed the heat sink off an Athlon the computer crashed and never turned on again, probably core burn out?? would you agree?

It seems stupid that chips should ever run that hot, it certainly put me off EVER getting an AMD chip knowing how hot they actually run !

now that just sucks....

yeah you cant run a AMD chip without a fan ever... they blow instantly...
trust me i have mde this mistake more then once...

I'm sorry... but it's your own lame fault for burning yourself. What ever possessed you to even think of touching the CPU is beyond me.

Originally posted by xtstrike
Ok, thought id let everyone know im sat here typing less one finger, the one i used to touch an Athlong 1GHZ processor 2 seconds after i turned it on.

It literally melted the skin (hince me sitting here in agony dipping my finger in water occasionally) , my question, exactly how hot does this Athlon run? cos ive run my P3 without a heatsink for months and it works fine but 1 second after i removed the heat sink off an Athlon the computer crashed and never turned on again, probably core burn out?? would you agree?

It seems stupid that chips should ever run that hot, it certainly put me off EVER getting an AMD chip knowing how hot they actually run !

Ok first lets get one thing straight, your a dumbass! Thats like saying: "I took the cylinder heads off my car engine and it died! I'm never buying a car again!!!" I've run AMD cpu's for over two years and I have never had a problem with the heat, you wanna know how? I NEVER TOOK THE HEATSINk OFF WHILE IT WAS RUNNING!!! And you have the nerve to blame AMD for this? I feel sorry for people like you.

hmm, in reply to the dumbass comments, yes in hindsight it was a bad idea admit, explaining to the guy that "owns" the computer was another challenge entirely.

but I still think there should be a safety mechanism in there as there has been on any other intel i have touched in the past.

Yes, maybe I should have found out first but i would never have thought that not having a heat sink for a mere 2 seconds would generate enough heat to melt metal and my finger !

Lets not move onto other items such as motor vehicles, they are no kind of comparison to what we are talking about here, we are simply talking about accidental removal of a heat sink (deliberate in my case, but what the hey it could have been accidental) the clip could have worked loose or the thermal bonding tape could have come loose.

Actually the comparison to an engine is valid. If the coolant system failed for the engine, it could lead up to a severly damaged engine. If your cooling mechanism failed on your CPU then it could lead to a severly damaged CPU. There's no question about it... these CPUs need some sort of cooling. Just because you can do it with an Intel CPU doesn't mean it should work the same for AMD. And yes... it was a bad idea and it still boggles my mind why you would even attempt such a thing???There's a reason for it being there and AMD is not to blame for your ignorance. Sure it would be nice if AMD had a similar thermal protection scheme that Intel has, but they don't so live with it. What's even worse about this all is that you did this to someone else's computer... not your own. Yikes!

Not exactly sure what's happening now in between Intel and AMD, but when I bought by 1.2ghz thunderbird just last summer, I did ton of research and found that AMD offered the best solution in regard to price and performance.

When AMD released their Athlons against their Pentium 3 last summer, AMD blew them away. Almost all online tech guides/reviews shown benchmarks which showed the impressive performance of AMD's latest chip against the CPU-giant Intel.

Alot of people got on the AMD-bandwagon, it was almost 40% cheaper then similar marked Intel cpus back then with better performance, who wouldn't jump on this bandwagon?

The only negative thing was that AMD chips tend to get HOT when you run it, but all you really had to do was buy an OEM AMD chip and buy a nice HSF to go along with it. I bought an AMD Thunderbird 1.2ghz 266mhz along with an Alpha Pal3065 heatsink/fan combo - when you buy an AMD, if you've done a just a tiny bit of research, you would have known that AMD chips got hot without any kind of cooling if you didn't know that, then you should've done a bit of research on them.

Anyways, the CPU itself doesn't necessarily have to have a fail-safe measure to prevent the cpu from overheating to the point of blowing up... the motherboard also can have this feature as my Abit does, you can have the computer do an emergency shutdown if the temperature reaches XX degrees celcius and etc.

I've recently had a problem with cooling my AMD 1.2 last month, because I used a crappy generic heating compound and it dried up in 12 months... and I purchased the Arctic Silver 3 (pretty damn good so far) and decreased the temp of the CPU by at least 10degrees celsius both idle and at full performance.

Also, you should always be checking on your system and cpu temperatures every now and then on any computers just to make sure that your CPU is at optimal health.

I dont really have anything to add to whats been said, but I did want to say taht I have 3 AMDs running in this room right now - K6-2 500, Athlon 650, and Athlon TB 1000 and never had any troubles with any of them. The cheapbrand CPU fan i had on the 1.0ghz blew and the MB shut the thing down. I went out and bought a $60 tornadoe fan and never had any toubles since. The CPU is fine.

We first started with AMD becuase the first generation Athons were quicker that the P2s of the time. We needed a cheap LAN server so we got a k6-2 instead of a celeron as they were both chaper and quicker. The 1.0ghz was a no brainer with AMD blowing the pants off of P3 and P4s. :)