Hi!

I have been cheated real bad by Samuel Barr, from eshorehosting.
I designed their full site. Here is theirs at my server:

http://www.ellarelectronics.com/Total/

and look at their now they recently updated:

http://www.totallyhosted.net/site/

I have not been paid and he has all my files, FLASH swf's and HTML pages.

How can he do that?


I have taken this matter seriously with the moderators and also I will take up to the law officials if needed.

BEWARE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Samuel Barr, Eshorehosting, Totallyhosted.net are CHEATS !

Please DO NOT do business with them.

Do not let my hard work be wasted like this.

I am putting my full portfolio below ( at the risk of it being stolen just kidding ) to show you my work and the fact that I deserve better treatment than this.

I have all e-mails/ former paypal transactions/yahoo chat saved text files for proof.

Please help !


Current Ongoing projects:

http://www.mitridat.com/index.html

http://www.ellarelectronics.com/YOUHOST/

http://www.ellarelectronics.com/SitePilot/

http://www.ellarelectronics.com/Petr/index.html

http://www.ellarelectronics.com/Total/

http://www.nexgeninformation.com/

http://www.aanshigems.com/

http://www.datalinksc.com

Other Projects:

http://www.ellarelectronics.com/ehost/

http://www.ellarelectronics.com/Storm/

http://www.ellarelectronics.com/VF/

http://www.ellarelectronics.com/Templates/

http://www.ellarelectronics.com

http://www.ndesigns.net

http://www.carolscorknbottle.com


E-Commerce/Portal sites with heavy Backends

http://www.celmex.com (Spanish)
http://www.celmex.com/english/index.htm (English)

http://shopping.aiol.com/store/index.asp
(All India online portal based out of chandler, AZ)

http://www.isandt.com

WOW This totallysucks, they stole his design, files, flash , images, total bull****
I know designNYC and he does a good design.

Its very bad on totalyhosted.net or shall i say previously eshore to steal a design they didnt pay for :angry: :angry: :angry:

Thats not right.

With my chat with designNYC he didn't even give the guy the template or any of the files, but I guess they just stole it from him.

Totallyhosted is now totallybusted :angry: :angry:

Was that after a "competition" or something that was posted in these forums?

If indeed they stole your design - which is your copyright - you can file a lawsuit.

I'll add to this, avoid any deals with Samuel Barr at any cost! I wont get into details so just take my word for it. I dont know Ben of totally hosted that well so I really cant say anything about him, but definately all dealings with Samuel Barr should be avoided. Email me off forums to get the reason why.

- Asher.

First step, send him one of these:

http://www.lawforinternet.com/pdf/enforcingcopyandtrade_extra.pdf

Thanks for the support.

I have sent a report to the local police in Glasgow.

I have given Samuel Barr a week to pay up. He has promised to pay within that time.

If payment does not arrive in one week, I am taking a COURT ORDER and suing him for copyright/trademark/theft of electronics items.

Already the local police has a FIR and is looking into this matter.

I, as well, have been cheated. I created the order system for totallyhosted.net and what seems like a delay turns out to be some scam. I can smell it from this:

virgil.ca 6/28/200 11:21 AM Hi there. I just want to ask when can I expect
to receive the payment. Thanks.

virgil.ca 6/28/200 12:18 PM hello?

virgil.ca 6/29/200 12:35 PM Hi there. I would like to know when will I
receive the payment. Thanks.

virgil.ca 6/29/200 12:40 PM Hello.

virgil.ca 6/29/200 1:46 PM Hi there.

virgil.ca 6/29/200 1:47 PM When can i expect the payment for the script?

Technical 6/29/200 1:47 PM sorry i've been running around like a blue
arsed fly today

Technical 6/29/200 1:47 PM Monday is pay day

virgil.ca 6/29/200 1:48 PM Okay.

virgil.ca 6/29/200 1:48 PM Just let me know if you're having problems.

Technical 6/29/200 1:49 PM yeah sure, no problem

virgil.ca 7/1/2002 3:28 PM Hi. Have I have not received any payment yet.

virgil.ca 7/1/2002 3:34 PM hello?

virgil.ca 7/1/2002 3:49 PM hi there

virgil.ca 7/1/2002 4:00 PM I would like to know why the payment is
delayed.

virgil.ca 7/1/2002 4:03 PM hello?

Technical 7/1/2002 4:04 PM Paypal have totall screwed me around

Technical 7/1/2002 4:04 PM Now my credit card company is investigating

virgil.ca 7/1/2002 4:04 PM I need the payment right away.

Technical 7/1/2002 4:04 PM I am trying

virgil.ca 7/1/2002 4:06 PM When can I expect to receive the payment?

Technical 7/1/2002 4:07 PM I am so hoping paypal will stop their bull****
and I can start sending payment

Technical 7/1/2002 4:07 PM if not i will be posting some comments in
paypalsucks.com

virgil.ca 7/1/2002 4:07 PM Have you paid your web designer?

Technical 7/1/2002 4:09 PM why? what business is that of yours?

virgil.ca 7/1/2002 4:09 PM I will set a deadline for the payment

Technical 7/1/2002 4:10 PM Listen i'm having some problems over here OK,
paypal are screwing around, my credit card
company is screwing around

Technical 7/1/2002 4:10 PM My young daughter is in hospital with
Meningitis

Technical 7/1/2002 4:11 PM I am TRYING to get it all sorted and I am so
very sorry if i'm not going quick enough

virgil.ca 7/1/2002 4:11 PM Sorry. But I have my set of problems as well,
and right now, I need the payment.

Technical 7/1/2002 4:12 PM Well I am trying to get your payment to you

virgil.ca 7/1/2002 4:13 PM Okay. I will speak to you again tomorrow.

Technical 7/1/2002 4:13 PM okay


* The guy "Ben" told me right away that he doesn't like down-payments because he had been "cheated" before by some designers. I was very open and so I proceeded. After the final work has been done and I have sent him several paypal notices and e-mail, which he did not respond to concerning the payments.

The system I made is a stepwise order form similar to Gearhost's, but more sophisticated because it very customizable through a back interface, and has more data entry validation including domain name checking and credit card number checking. I don't want my work to be wasted.

I appreciate any advice or help.

Wow that is horrible, glad you were able to contact the local authorities and have them care! Being is Glasgow I am sure he felt that he could get away with it... Keeps us informed of what happens.

Glasgow, eh...I am sure the legendary Scotland Yard will now take over :D:D:D

Here is yahoo chat conversation saved text with him.
I always save my conversations/e-mails with clients as reference.

eshoredirect: Hi
satyakamm: hi how are you
satyakamm: you template is ready have a look
eshoredirect: fine thanks, you?
eshoredirect: oh good
satyakamm: i am ok
satyakamm: http://www.ellarelectronics.com/Total/
eshoredirect: ok
satyakamm: have a look take your time ..tell me changes/fixes/design etc tec
eshoredirect: wow
eshoredirect: simple yet very very nice
satyakamm: thank you if you liek it. i am happy
eshoredirect: could you put some space for 5 small links (news headlines) that we will insert a php include
satyakamm: of course
satyakamm: where woudl you want it?
satyakamm: under th eleft menu?
eshoredirect: infact it looks like there will be enough space under the dedicated graphic
satyakamm: yep
satyakamm: what is your monitor size?
eshoredirect: 1024x780 14" (i'm on my laptop)
satyakamm: ok :)
satyakamm: well this site is best suited for 1024x800 and 1280x1080
satyakamm: so i think we can fit the news section easily
satyakamm: also, thsi is am image of your real site
satyakamm: so you might see Horizontal scroll bars
satyakamm: they will NOT appear in teh real site
eshoredirect: ok
satyakamm: so now you approve the design, I guess, i mean colors, layout etc etc
eshoredirect: yes it's great
satyakamm: i am glad you like it ...so now let me go ahead design the site
eshoredirect: ok, what did we agree on again?
satyakamm: $xxx
satyakamm: for entire site
eshoredirect: did that include any flash?
satyakamm: not sure but i will put one in
satyakamm: however, if you want a FLASH intro page separate, it will be $100 more
eshoredirect: no, just something maybe in the header or something
satyakamm: i will put a nice FLASH movie in the section where teh 3 servers are on teh right
eshoredirect: yeah
eshoredirect: ok great
satyakamm: well one more thing,
satyakamm: you might jave to pay $25 more for processing fees
satyakamm: well we will talk about that later ...right now let me go ahead design it
eshoredirect: ok
satyakamm: can you give me 2 days to finish it or you want it earlier?
eshoredirect: yeah two days is fine
satyakamm: ok ...i show this tenmplate to others, as example of my work? (thsi will not be resold i make one template per client)
eshoredirect: yep
eshoredirect: thats fine
satyakamm: ok also, can I add a small link in teh bottom of your site
satyakamm: that says :site designed by XYZ
eshoredirect: yeah sure

1. Always ask for a deposit (I ask for 50% up front)
2. Ask for references / do some background check
3. Be polite but firm in your rules of conducting business.

Don't do business with people you don't really know.

Originally posted by iamdave
Don't do business with people you don't really know.
Well if you rely on your family and friends, I dont think you can have profitable business then. :D

Hi,
My name is Ben Hawker I am the owner of Totally Hosted. Lets clear a few things up guys....

When I bough the Eshore Hosting from Mr Barr I bought it under certain conditions and one being that Samuel pay for a new web design, he agreed.

When I asked Samuel about this he fully admited that the designer hadn't been paid but had been paid a $150.00 deposit, the reason why Samuel hasn't paid this right now is that his Daughter is critically ill in hospital with meninjitis. He also later explained to me that he had spoken to the designer and come to an agreement for payment.

I am totallyshocked at whats going on here as i havn't been kept in the loop.

Since this design hasn't been fully paid for I have deleted the site from our servers and from our local computers and I am truly sorry of what happened here.

I would also request that Samuels address above be removed from the forum as this is his personal address and is private.

I shall be contacting all parties to discuss this matter in full.

Thanks!

I am still resolving this matter with the persons related and I seriously hope they will do what they have promised.


Anyways, good lesson for me.

wow this thread belongs should be in the archives.

Guys, Do you realize, Samuel Barr and Ben hawker are they same person......... don't be fooled by totallyhosted

Seems to be common these days, pretending to be someone else.

Originally posted by designNYC
Thanks for the support.

I have sent a report to the local police in Glasgow.

I have given Samuel Barr a week to pay up. He has promised to pay within that time.

If payment does not arrive in one week, I am taking a COURT ORDER and suing him for copyright/trademark/theft of electronics items.

Already the local police has a FIR and is looking into this matter.

unless you filed for a copyright, you will not get any money. ( yes that 's the rules in the USA).

same rules apply for a trademark

as for theft, well that I don't know anything about. Maybe you would be better off with a breach of contract. but that's about it.

Mike

Originally posted by ADEhost


unless you filed for a copyright, you will not get any money. ( yes that 's the rules in the USA).

same rules apply for a trademark

as for theft, well that I don't know anything about. Maybe you would be better off with a breach of contract. but that's about it.

Mike

No true in USA once a work is created it is copyrighted if you file a copyright you can get triple damages if not you can only collect real damges, but in either case it is copyrighted the minute you create it.


Timechange do you have any proof that they are the same?

Originally posted by Monte


Timechange do you have any proof that they are the same?

You are quoting the wrong person.

May I ask why you started the project without being paid upfront first?

I know what he did was wrong, but in many ways this problem could've been prevented.

At the moment I am looking for a builder to construct my new house. So far, there has yet to be one builder that has agreed to begin work without me providing the $$$ first. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Monte


No true in USA once a work is created it is copyrighted if you file a copyright you can get triple damages if not you can only collect real damges, but in either case it is copyrighted the minute you create it.


Timechange do you have any proof that they are the same?

I forgot about real damages, but that is so hard to prove. I have always filed for copyrights this way I'm protected.

mike

Originally posted by timechange


You are quoting the wrong person.

WHoooops Sorry Timechange:rolleyes:


I meant VHS do you have any proof?

Geeez new baby+no sleep= silly mistakes:o

Originally posted by Monte


WHoooops Sorry Timechange:rolleyes:


I meant VHS do you have any proof?

Geeez new baby+no sleep= silly mistakes:o

Congratulations on the new baby :D:D:D
To make it sleep easily, put a box with a delta fan humming next to it :D

Yes I have proof

Originally posted by timechange
1. Always ask for a deposit (I ask for 50% up front)
2. Ask for references / do some background check
3. Be polite but firm in your rules of conducting business.

Depending of the size of the project 1/3 down may be acceptable but never anything less.

Originally posted by iamdave
Don't do business with people you don't really know.

I think that kind of limits your potential. Your not really going to grow much that way.

Originally posted by iamdave
Don't do business with people you don't really know.

yeah
real slick advice there dave

Don't do business with people you don't really know.

WOW.. there goes like 90% of all business! AWESOME THINKING!

VHS, well could we SEE the proof? or are we just gonna have to rely on your word?

Go get'em tiger!:D

Originally posted by iamdave
Don't do business with people you don't really know.
Bit of an old post, but a better way of putting this, "don't do business with people you believe have malicious intent." Of course, it's often very hard to tell and a good reason why you should research the person/company first :)

Here's is a HUGE tip... (a "must" in your situation)

Take a screen shot of the design or work you do, and then present that image to your client. Don't send them all the files.
That's like giving them the site.. infact, IT IS!

And unless you were copyrighted, as said already, you can't do a think other then breach of contract; I forgot the big word they use for that.

Anyway, good luck in the future.

Hmmm.

My post of this morning calling for people to PM me about filing info re: Samuel Barr with the Scottish trading board seems to have been deleted, after appearing earlier.

Why is this?

CE

PM xtstrike. I'm surprised you didn't get an e-mail if your post was deleted, but find out from him.

Hi!

I talked with Ben Hawer who claims to be Samuel's business associate ( they are one and only the same person)

He has again promised my money returned on the 15th of this month.


I hope he does.

He is another TIM PD in the making or perhaps bigger.

The Scottish trading board ( with lots of difficulties) finally paid a visit to the lad we all know as BArr.


Well, he is lucky to be in Scotland.

If it were some third world country he was in, his Kidneys would be in the market by now.

^ joke only

So many people threaten with lawsuits. It's sad, and quite entertaining.

Richard, now I'm starting to suspect that you are another alias :rolleyes:

Good. Glad to hear you are having some result, Design NYC.

CE

Hi Guys,
I really don't know how to start this thread but to say I am sorry for the troubles caused by me.

At this time I will fully admit that there is no Ben Hawker and Ben Hawker is Samuel Barr (me).

When I started my business I never eber intended to maliciously con people (Never My Intent and Never will be) things seemed to be poplular and I was happy, heres where it all went wrong, when people paid me via paypal I would withdraw the money as as I got it and then when people where asking for a refund I didn't have the money to do that (due to my credit card being maxed out) I have come to the concusion that I will no longer accept paypal as payment and only use my merchant account.

If I had used my merchant account in the first place every party would have been refunded.

As for the web designer and virgil who created my signup script I guess I was impatient and went ahead and asked them to design or programme without actually having the full money (stupid me thinking I could get it before they completed the project)

Now that things are finally going well and the business is ok (Hopefully Even After These Threads) I can pay the people who are owed their money.

At first I have made an initial mistake and promised the money on the 15th, I should have said the 20th as my merchant account pays out on the 15th.

Here who's on my list for payment:

CaveatEmptor
designNYC
Virgil

and i will be working something out with James at earhost.

I am very sorry that I have sunk this low and I intend to make it right.

Thanks for listening.

Samuel:

Technical 7/1/2002 4:04 PM Paypal have totall screwed me around

Probably because my credit card company is sueing your ass for taking my 1800 dollars last spring which is still under investigation between my credit card company and paypal.

Pay up and I will call off the dogs, if you want to discuss this privately, use your PM to send me your email.

A conversation with Mr. Barr September 5th 2002:

Please wait for a site operator to respond.
You are now chatting with 'THSam'
THSam: Hi
you: Is this samuel bar?
THSam: How may I help you?
THSam: Yes
you: Did you run rapidisupport last spring?
THSam: Yes
you: You owe me 1800 dollars.
THSam: Who are you?
you: ****my name and company *****
you: Paid through paypal
THSam: Didn't you do a chargeback on paypal?
you: It is still under investigation, i will call them off if you pay me back in full.
THSam: I had an email ststing that a charge back for $1800.00 had been taken from my account and my balance is now negitive
you: Well i still do not have the money
you: I suggest you do some research and have someone contact me.
THSam: I can't actually pay you back in full right now, I can however pay you something on the 20th of this month
THSam: This month $250.00
THSam: Next month I should be able to give you more
you: Well until i am paid in full, i will keep the investigation going. If my CC company pays me first then you do not have to, but if you pay in full first, then i will tell them that the dispute has been settle and i will have them stop
THSam: Ok
THSam: So you don't want the $250?
you: I want the full amount in a money order in USD.
you: or cashiers check.
THSam: Ok I'll put the money aside and get you paid, i will also contact paypal and see why they negitive my account for $1800.00
THSam: Can I have your email address so that I can keep in touch?
you: ****my@emailaddress.com****
THSam: ok great
you: They took the 1800.00 from your account because i did the chargeback but must be holding it from my CC company until they find out what to do with you.
THSam: ok
THSam: I will contact them and get back to you
THSam: I will also keep you updated
THSam: Is there anything else i can do for you?
you: Thank you, to hold you honest this is getting posted in WHT
you: And i will post the outcome.
THSam: Ok, thanks


---Got cut off---

Please wait for a site operator to respond.
You are now chatting with 'THSam'
THSam: Hello Again
THSam: What can I do for you?
you: Hi, I was just wondering why you took the money and never returned it in the first place?
THSam: Things just got in a strut in paypal
you: But you could have returned it just as fast as you took it?
you: Did you spend it in the couple of days you had the money?
you: Before you dissappeared?
THSam: When you sent it I withdrew it and paid things that needed paid, then you wanted it back I didn't have anything in my paypal account
THSam: If I had done it professionally I would have done it via my merchant account and then you wanted it back I would have just hit the refund button
you: well you stopped service, what did you think i was going to do?
THSam: I know I was a dickhead
THSam: I am actually thinking of asking my CC company to raise my limit and get everything and everyone paid
you: Either way you still owe the money, but instead of owing it to me you now appear to owe it to a multi-million dollar company with (im sure) very many lawyers
THSam: Yep
THSam: Hopefully I can pay you and everything can get sorted
THSam: SOON
you: Well I hope you redeem yourself, your company and your reputation.
THSam: Me too and I will redeem myself
THSam: Now that I have stopped being an ass and am now facing my responsivility, everyone will be getting paid and everything will get sorted
you: Well if i were you, i would contact paypal as to how you are going to settle things and I would also request them to contact me with what you have discussed and also have them contact me about when my CC is going to be returned the money.
THSam: Yes I will be doing that
you: Thank you and have a good day.

Originally posted by designNYC
Hi!

I have been cheated real bad by Samuel Barr, from eshorehosting.
I designed their full site.



Wow, great work...like others said I'm surprised you didn't get atleast a portion of the money as downpayment.

I tell you I'm going to do, I'll goto his site, rip the site, change a few things and claim it as my own but will leave your name as designed by at the bottom as well as put your name and ripped from eshorehosting.com in my meta tags. :D

Hi Milkman,

It is good to have 50% as downpayment. But i have experience when we have not been paid the remaining 50% even after completing the project and reminding several times.

I do not want to name the company who did it to me, but i am deeply hurt by them.

They are using the site and their site has also got good reviews from my customers whom i have shown. But I dont know why we remained unpaid.

This guy is from this forum itself.

Again, i have a case where the client sent a check of $300 (50%) as advance which he later dishonoured due to nil balance in his bank. This caused a lot of embarassment for me in my company and i was left out in cold without money after doing the entire work. Though i did not sent the source code of this work to this client, but still it hurts to loose money !

I do not know how can i claim back these money.

Though these are two isolated incidents over last one year, but every lost penny hurts !

Regards,
Abhishek

One site is all you need:

Programming Bids (http://www.programmingbids.com)

Excellent site run by a great person. They act as a middleman. You pay $5.00 the developer pays $10.00.

The hold the money and release as the developer finishes work.

I have used them for four projects and each time I have been happy.

Programmingbids.com is good. But the payout are extremely low !

Regards
Abhishek

I too was upset with the dealings I had with Ben at totallyhosted. I was contacted to design a new logo , banner ads, and some live chat images.

Excuses after excuses came of how he had no money to pay me, paypal screwed him over (yeah right), and he was sick. Finally I got fed up and made him remove my images he was using and took them elsewhere.

I just wanted to post my experience as well as this person obviously needs to re think their business values to do this to people. To waste their time like this.

Originally posted by CoreyW
I too was upset with the dealings I had with Ben at totallyhosted. I was contacted to design a new logo , banner ads, and some live chat images.

Excuses after excuses came of how he had no money to pay me, paypal screwed him over (yeah right), and he was sick. Finally I got fed up and made him remove my images he was using and took them elsewhere.

I just wanted to post my experience as well as this person obviously needs to re think their business values to do this to people. To waste their time like this.

Corey, I see you domain ravio.com and your web hosts. Any reason why the site is not coming up? Was looking to see your products.

intellec> ravio is hosted with wizards hosting. I am not sure why, but for about 30 minutes the site was down. The site is back up now however. Feel to drop by. :)

Originally posted by CoreyW
intellec> ravio is hosted with wizards hosting. I am not sure why, but for about 30 minutes the site was down. The site is back up now however. Feel to drop by. :)

mod_gzip was acting up :D

The deadline of September 15th has passed.

Oh .. its been extended to the 20th.


Well 4 months wait .. might as well go 5 days more.


Do not play with a man's hope.

Cause sometimes thats all he got.

Hi,
I actually made a post a few days ago confirming that the actual payment date is the 20th of this month.

Thanks
SAM

Shocking!!! :eek:

Seriously, good luck.....

Just thaught id say summin as everybody else already has. :homer: ....mmmmmm doughnuts

Check out the views on this thread :eek2:

Originally posted by THBen
Hi,
I actually made a post a few days ago confirming that the actual payment date is the 20th of this month.

Thanks
SAM Why have you waited this long to pay him in the first place?

The person (designNYC) mentioning http://www.mitridat.com/index.html his portfolio at http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58150 is an IMPOSTOR!

He has nothing to do with our website or company: MitriDAT. Please consider his posting a FRAUD.

If you need further information, you can contact me at services@mitridat.com Our company strongly dicsourage you from having any business relationship with him.

Thank you.
MitriDAT (www.MitriDAT.com)

Originally posted by FRAUD
The person (designNYC) mentioning http://www.mitridat.com/index.html his portfolio at http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58150 is an IMPOSTOR!

He has nothing to do with our website or company: MitriDAT. Please consider his posting a FRAUD.

If you need further information, you can contact me at services@mitridat.com Our company strongly dicsourage you from having any business relationship with him.

Thank you.
MitriDAT (www.MitriDAT.com)


:confused: :eek:

Hello,
Just to close this thread off. I have now paid the designer in full (as of around 3 months ago) and I just wanted to put a conclusion to this thread.

Thanks