Does anyone know why Paradise Design's Cpanel Licenses are down? We have a few of our customers licenses with them, and can't understand why they went offline somewhere around 11:30 last night, and are still down as we speak. Tim offered us a refund (or anything else we could think of to keep us from posting here), but that's not what we want, we want working Cpanel licenses.

Does anyone know of a good Cpanel distributor that can work with us to get these licenses up ASAP?

We're working on this issue.. :).

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57605

60/month isn't horrible...

I was just informed by a reliable source that Paradise Designs was turned off for non-payment. Thanks to Daniel at Effect Online for getting us turned back on.

well i have pretty much only had this licence with tim for 10days.. i emailed him to ask for the money back.. i am going to give him till tomorrow afternoon and then i am going to talk to my CC company.

And do know why they licences were taken down, and i am not vary happy at tim.. powersurge did the right thing

how many posts are we going to have about Tim and Paradise Design??

There seems to be a lot lately..

Tim what actually happened?

Well if i am forced to go to my CC Company to try and get a charge back i will tell everyone what i know.. I have been without cpanel for 3 days now and i am pretty pissed.. because someone can't __________

O well goodnight

Originally posted by The Prohacker
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57605

60/month isn't horrible...

I loaded Plesk as a test on a used server. Someone suggested I try the new CPanel/WHM.

I checked it out, has lots of bells; but what's up with the price; and what's up with the monthly fee?

I don't get it. You mean I have to pay $60 or more for 10-15 domains I have on my server. For 60$ I can add 30 more and get a dedicated server. That'll get me a Cobalt RAQ with a Panel already on it.

I think I'll stick with Plesk. No monthly fees to worry about it. One time fee, you own it you d/l it you install it, it's yours.

Mine went down too, I quickly switched to Effect Online....
I just paid the license for a few days, but Tim promised me a refund, so we'll see what happen...

So far so good :rolleyes:

p.s. Thanks Daniel for fixing my license so quick :)

Tim didn't pay his Cpanel license file bill. That's why everyone went down. Tim offered to refund me, and if I don't get a refund as promised, I will post here again, and initiate a chargeback if necessary.

Thanks to Daniel at Effect Online for all of the help today!

Regards,

My refund actually did come through for the cpanel refund that Tim finally put through, so do hope this issue is resolved for all parties.

There we go again with Paradise-Designs, I think they need their own forum on WHT.

Originally posted by iamdave
There we go again with Paradise-Designs, I think they need their own forum on WHT.

No kidding ;)

I asked tim for a refund once, never got it - he got me out of a spot so I didn't care all that much.... it seems as though it is hard to get your money back huh?

I just spoke with Tim over the phone.

He said that this problem will be resolved today. They have been working very hard to get this fixed.

And now the saga continues: As the timmah turns....

I also would like to know why the $1400 price tag for CPanel or the $60/month rental fee. I have seen and even used CPanel before but it does not do anything any other control panel does.

Originally posted by Vwebcom
it does not do anything any other control panel does.

That's an interesting way of putting it. :)

What do you mean? Cpanel is one of the most feature-rich panel on the market. (I am not talking about bugs and other things....just features....)

Peter

CPanel bundles many many more things than any other control panel - Somebody has obviously never used it properly.... plesk and ensim offer nowhere near what cpanel offers... worth the monthly fee, I think it madness to purchase it though.

Originally posted by Dotcomsnz
CPanel bundles many many more things than any other control panel - Somebody has obviously never used it properly.... plesk and ensim offer nowhere near what cpanel offers... worth the monthly fee, I think it madness to purchase it though.

As always I have to agree with cpanel/whm being the control panel with the most features. One of the best things about it is it updates daily and automatic.

hehe,

gonna contradict myself lol

Well if you purchase cpanel, there wouldn't be any need for these long threads when your distributor doesn't pay their bill lol....

Just one advantage... :D

I have used extensively Ensim, Pleask & CPanel/WHM and CPanel/WHM easily has the most features from the server admin side (WHM) through to the user side (CPanel).

Just my 2 cents.

I agree but this thread is going miles off track.......

Do a little research folks. How many threads does it take to see that TimPD from Paradise Designs` cannot be trusted? Sorry, this happened to you though.

Originally posted by chrisb
Do a little research folks. How many threads does it take to see that TimPD from Paradise Designs` cannot be trusted? Sorry, this happened to you though.

I'm going to have to agree. It's problem after problem and just about everytime it is money wise. I think his company is in the failing stages.

Originally posted by NetCliSer
I just spoke with Tim over the phone.

He said that this problem will be resolved today. They have been working very hard to get this fixed.

How hard do you need to work?

Write a cheque (check), lick a stamp and post it - Thats as hard as it could possibly be.... the worst case scenario say you didn't use credit transfer or credit card........ If people pay you then you don't have any excuse for not paying the end source, i don't think anyone will feel sympathetic towards anyone who does not pay their bills...

So taking this thread back on track again... does anyone the real reason why Tim's CPanel licenses were de-activated? We were thinking of purchasing a license from him but now we're not too sure about it as we wouldn't want CPanel to stop working after a while.... there'll be a LOT of unhappy people and customers.

Alan

I would look for a more reliable distributor, I think the thread explains itself quite well.

Dotcomsnz, I know. From what I've read from here or another thread, it was due to Tim not paying his bills? Now if the billing problem was a mis-understanding then fine, but if it was really because he didn't pay it... then that's something on its on. But I can't risk my CPanel license going unavailable even once so I will be looking fr another provider, sorry Tim.

Alan

Daniel at Effect Online was very helpful in getting us situated again. They are a distributor directly with Cpanel, so I think he's probably a pretty good provider to go through.

Im still not sure why anyone is dealing with this kid. :eek:

because he has 'connections' that no one else has :rolleyes:

You can tell everyone all day not to do business with (insert here) and they still will....so you can scream until your blue in the face and really..it goes though 1 ear and out the other

like what and who? No one can be that important or unbypassable. Every post I've seen about Tim lately is that he is either ripping people off, screwup somehow or being dishonest about things. That is my interpriation by the way and Ive come to the conclusion that buyer beware with this kid. That's my opinion anyhow. :)

Originally posted by jkehe
Daniel at Effect Online was very helpful in getting us situated again. They are a distributor directly with Cpanel, so I think he's probably a pretty good provider to go through.

I'd like to second what jkehe has said. We recently shifted all our CPanel licenses from Tim over to Effect Online and I must say that they are one of the most knowledgeable and professional bunch of people I have ever worked with. Besides the point that Daniel and I go back quite a long way, I would recommend Effect Online to anyone looking for a CPanel license without any hesitation. With them, you are getting the-real-deal, not going through some middleman who only knows how to mark up the price and make a profit out of you yet providing nothing in return.

Cheers :)

Thanks jkehe and ck, I'll look into Effect Online. Could anyone give further details about this company? I've tried a search here at WHT, but didn't turn up much on them :). I've noticed their name popup in a few threads lately, but other than that I don't know much about them.

How do we know that Effect Online won't do the same thing that Tim did? I mean it's as simple as just pay the bills! and that can be done automatically... now if that can't be done then you just can't run a business basically.

Alan

I only have one more thing to post within this thread and I hope that Nick is reading this thread :D

Would it not be a good idea if when cpanel distros don't pay their bills that for 7 days, the only thing inaccessable to users is the cpanel itself? We can explain things to clients about cpanel and some don't access everyday, but when their email goes down, businesses lose email due to something completely out of theirs and their hosts hands. This (email not working) causes problems and lost clients.

I would certainly switch providers and have done so after this exact problem, our clients need their email and it is not our fault that it doesn't work..... cpanel in a way has cost us a few clients this year. Give a bit of slack to the end user i say....

my 2$ worth :D

oh wow....so if cpanel goes down....your servers as good as done for? huh?

think ill stay away from cpanel after all

If you don't pay Cpanel/WHM/pop3 all go down.. Nothing else does...

Is it possible to remove cpanel if this happens? Or are you stuck until you buy another license or the distributer pays his bills?

So I broke my promise,

Is my idea right.....? Or what.......!

Originally posted by WebHozt
Is it possible to remove cpanel if this happens? Or are you stuck until you buy another license or the distributer pays his bills?

Broke it again...... you ARE stuck.

Dotcomsnz,

I think your idea is sound. Punish the reselller first, the clients later. I used to live in an apartment complex, many years ago and when they failed to pay the electric bill the electric company went door to door asking people if they would like to be switched over and billed directly if they were turned off.

It is always good to give your end users a chance to get into a better situation should your provider fail to do their job, ie paying the bills.

On the other hand, it wouldn't be a simple task at all since it is quite possible that the CPanel folks have no direct contact to you, the end-user, and no way of warning you.

Originally posted by DizixCom
Dotcomsnz,

I think your idea is sound. Punish the reselller first, the clients later. I used to live in an apartment complex, many years ago and when they failed to pay the electric bill the electric company went door to door asking people if they would like to be switched over and billed directly if they were turned off.

It is always good to give your end users a chance to get into a better situation should your provider fail to do their job, ie paying the bills.

On the other hand, it wouldn't be a simple task at all since it is quite possible that the CPanel folks have no direct contact to you, the end-user, and no way of warning you.
Well seeing as we pay the majority of the profit for cpanel, all that should change....... Pleases Nick consider my point is all I ask.

Just an update.. I talked to tim for about an hour yesterday, about almost everything :) The big problem he had is that he isn't a direct cpanel noc ( he is trying to be ) so he is buying it from somewhere else. They decided to deactivate most of tims liceneces. For now i have decided to move over to Effect Online because i need back online. Tim was vary willing to give me a refund, so i a mhappy. Its a good chance that once he becomes his own noc then i will move back to him, since the support is good.

And also the only thing that doesn't work is cpanel. If you want to check your email go to http://<domain>:2095 .

Thanks again Tim, i just had to move and couldn't wait because i am working a on a cpanel theme site.. and i need to be able to use cpanel to get that site working..

Originally posted by igy
once he becomes his own noc then i will move back to him, since the support is good.



His own NOC? :eek: :confused: .. I smell another lie on the air.

Well as far as me doing what Tim did I would hope anybody would shoot me before it got to that point.

The problem with tim is two fold.

#1 He's not a direct distributor so he is at the mercy of powersurge who he gets his licenses from.

#2 Since he's not a direct distributor he is put at a great disadvantage as far as cpanel problems. He can't go direct to Nick or Dave if something goes wrong with cpanel where-as distributors have direct lines to both.

As far as I'm aware of I've never been late on a bill in my entire life, the one time it almost happend was because the mail got delayed and the CC company recognized that and didn't consider it late :).

As far as details about my company let see.

I formed the LLC in April of 2002. I've been doing prepwork and backend work for the past 3 months on the company.

Prior to that I was the CTO of VenturesOnline.com, LLC but we won't go into that mess as its not worth reliving.

If you have any specific questions feel free to drop me an email, pm, ICQ or AIM :)

ICQ: 5995550
AIM: EffectLLC

Daniels a top notch bloke, except for the fact he wont return my icq's :) hehe, im just checking in to say hi :) haha

whoever suggested checking webmail while email was down is talking out of their *** try telling businesses that when they try to check their important emails .... do you think a business has time to login to webmail every time they need to send or receive email.. of course not! Most of the people don't know what cpanel i for christs sake - Just having pop working for a few days until you got a new distro would be a big advantage..........

Originally posted by Dotcomsnz
whoever suggested checking webmail while email was down is talking out of their *** . . . . . . . . . . . . .Well, I suppose *not* checking mail while working on a resolution *would* be an option. :rolleyes:

I think that perhaps a scaledown after a license expires would be more appropriate:

WHM is disabled immediately
Cpanel is disabled after 72 hours
E-mail is disabled after 120 hours

The server contact should also be e-mailed automatically by the server so that they know exactly when their license expired, so that they can take action more immediately. If the person has anything active on the servers, they are going to resubscribe to Cpanel through another distributor. Giving them more time to try to find an appropriate solution would definately work out better for everyone involved.

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Well, I suppose *not* checking mail while working on a resolution *would* be an option. :rolleyes:

:rolleyes:
Working on a resolution....... the distro does not pay their bill, so it's your fault is it? No it isn't! If your clients email does not work then you stand to lose clients, end of story....
:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Dotcomsnz
whoever suggested checking webmail while email was down is talking out of their *** try telling businesses that when they try to check their important emails .... do you think a business has time to login to webmail every time they need to send or receive email.. of course not! Most of the people don't know what cpanel i for christs sake - Just having pop working for a few days until you got a new distro would be a big advantage..........

I didn't say using webmail would solve anything or would be a good way of doing anything, it is just a last resort if you have to check your mail..

I love post like this when people get so excited about a post. You just need to relax and take a deep breath, and remember its just a post.

Thanks

And yes I understand you will lose clients if email doesn't work and the controlpanel doesn't work. I just put out the webmail option.

I believe I have read on these forums about people with there dist. not paying there bill going directly to DarkORB for a temp. licence im sure nick would be more than happy to help out under curcumstances like this. That is, of course, IF HE WOULD ANSWER HIS DAMNED EMAIL!!!!!

Haze its the weekend i am betting nick is taking it easy.

Originally posted by Dotcomsnz
I only have one more thing to post within this thread and I hope that Nick is reading this thread :D

Would it not be a good idea if when cpanel distros don't pay their bills that for 7 days, the only thing inaccessable to users is the cpanel itself? We can explain things to clients about cpanel and some don't access everyday, but when their email goes down, businesses lose email due to something completely out of theirs and their hosts hands. This (email not working) causes problems and lost clients.

I would certainly switch providers and have done so after this exact problem, our clients need their email and it is not our fault that it doesn't work..... cpanel in a way has cost us a few clients this year. Give a bit of slack to the end user i say....

my 2$ worth :D

Just a note here, cpanel has absolutely no effect whatsoever to email on a server if whm/cpanel license is invalid or expired. Its just a frontend to manage those services but absolutely will not try to kill or disrupt a server. So what if cpanel is down, your clients can still get email the normal way , pop accounts. Big deal if they cant access webmail or the nifty online tools while you get your license situation fixed. Their website, ftp, ssh, email, mysql and every other service of the server will still work just fine. Having cpanel go down will in no way cripple any company and if it does then you have a lot more problems than cpanel to hink about.

CPanel is just a front-end. Doesn't affect the way the server itself is performing. Just means you can't use it.

By no means, however, does this lessen the damage done if customers go to use it and get the infamous invalid license message.

greg,
We also had a license with Tim, and when this all went down, we did lose our email capabilities (pop included), as outlook express would not work as well. Once we switched providers (went with Powersurge) the email problems were fixed.

-Steven

We just had a litle cpanel fiasco with Tranxactglobal last week when they became a full cpanel distro NOC and messed up the transfers to a new lic server so lots of us in DV2 lost our lic for about 48 hours.

My POP email kept working as evidenced by the number of pissed off customers that emailed me wanting to know what was going on.

So as far as I know if the lic expires email still works.

:( We had some lic with tim as well.. To say the least I will never give him anther dime after that. He offered to give us a refund as well but he took out a few of our servers for about an hour or so.. No big deal was fixed very fast ( By anther CPanel Provider we work with ) but still the point of it.. He needs to learn how to pay his bills as that is why he was shut down no other reason. He tried to give me about 50 of them untill i called powersurge and found out the truth on him. I sent him an email he has 24 hours from us as well before I charge back to him.. Thank god for Credit Cards.

Originally posted by DanielP
Well as far as me doing what Tim did I would hope anybody would shoot me before it got to that point.

The problem with tim is two fold.

#1 He's not a direct distributor so he is at the mercy of powersurge who he gets his licenses from.

#2 Since he's not a direct distributor he is put at a great disadvantage as far as cpanel problems. He can't go direct to Nick or Dave if something goes wrong with cpanel where-as distributors have direct lines to both.

As far as I'm aware of I've never been late on a bill in my entire life, the one time it almost happend was because the mail got delayed and the CC company recognized that and didn't consider it late :).

As far as details about my company let see.

I formed the LLC in April of 2002. I've been doing prepwork and backend work for the past 3 months on the company.

Prior to that I was the CTO of VenturesOnline.com, LLC but we won't go into that mess as its not worth reliving.

If you have any specific questions feel free to drop me an email, pm, ICQ or AIM :)

ICQ: 5995550
AIM: EffectLLC

Pathetic Daniel. It's enough that you try to be in the spotlight and advertise your self as much as possible, you picked up on Tims mistake right away and decided you would sell the license.

This seems to be your usual way of doing business.

Shyne...
OMFG YAHC... Oh My Freaking God, You Actually Hand Code?
OMFG YAHC... Oh My Freaking God, Yall Are Handicap Crackas?

Do I win a prize? :)

Originally posted by DanielP
Well as far as me doing what Tim did I would hope anybody would shoot me before it got to that point.

cut



Hi Daniel, is the above post necessary? Is anybody asking/inquiring about you/your company such that you need to give out an explanation regarding you/your company in an advertising way in a non-advertising forum?

best regards,
-dave

I asked about Daniel's company in a post I made near the begining of the thread, but I didn't expect for him to answer them directly, I was hoping another member would do it and be more informative than to advertise his company.

There doesn't seem to be any post from TimPD lately, maybe he should reply to clear things up or to save his reputation here?

Alan

Why... why does he need to bother. Everyone should know by now that TimPD isnt good to do business with.

Apologies for getting all excited this morning...... this stuff just makes me boil...

About 2 months ago, this happened to us, CPanel distro dropped the ball and cpanel was turned off - ALL our email accounts and clients email accounts did not work, I posted on cpanel.net then regarding email - maybe it's been fixed.... thats just what happened to us then.

It just seems harsh to me to punish the end user when a distro drops the ball..... warning before it's switched off would be good, I'm sure thats possible to send a message within WHM news to the server owner informing them, just a thought.

Again, no offences intended :)

Chawk it up to another drawback to cpanel I suppose IMO.

Originally posted by Jag


Just a note here, cpanel has absolutely no effect whatsoever to email on a server if whm/cpanel license is invalid or expired. Its just a frontend to manage those services but absolutely will not try to kill or disrupt a server. So what if cpanel is down, your clients can still get email the normal way , pop accounts. Big deal if they cant access webmail or the nifty online tools while you get your license situation fixed. Their website, ftp, ssh, email, mysql and every other service of the server will still work just fine. Having cpanel go down will in no way cripple any company and if it does then you have a lot more problems than cpanel to hink about.


Just to clear this up, POP3 will go down if your license expires...

Nick wrote the POP3 server, so its tied into Cpanel and its expiration check :D

I wouldn't call it advertising I'd call it responding to questions posted by ho247 earlier in this thread.

Just to back DanielP up, I personally don't think he was advertising his company, I asked about his company and he kindly explained what I asked, which I'm sure not only myself found useful.

Alan

Looks like Shyne is just taking another opportunity to pick nits with Daniel. :)

Originally posted by Shyne


Pathetic Daniel. It's enough that you try to be in the spotlight and advertise your self as much as possible, you picked up on Tims mistake right away and decided you would sell the license.


If you would check the time for the original post here and the original post in his offer thread, you'd notice that he posted before this thread was even started....

It was cpanal authorized special :D


Also I love how you said, Tims mistake... I forgot its a mistake to not pay your bill :D

What would you call not paying your bill?

Originally posted by Shyne
What would you call not paying your bill?

Bad business practice....

Originally posted by The Prohacker



Just to clear this up, POP3 will go down if your license expires...

Nick wrote the POP3 server, so its tied into Cpanel and its expiration check :D

Also SMTP goes down once the license expires. PHP scripts are unable to send email!

The funniest part about this is that nobody has legal recourse against this MINOR.

everyone wants cheap, discounts and everything else. well you guys got it all right.

and as for Daniel's actions, more power to him, he presented his firms paper and everyone know the liability if he fails ( at least you got recourse ) and good business means that you can jump on problems to get them solved.

-sqposter

Originally posted by sqposter
The funniest part about this is that nobody has legal recourse against this MINOR.
-sqposter


You could take legal recourse against Paradise-Designs, he has an adult basicly running the company and signing all the contracts...

Whats real funny is he will not reply to any emails now, not on ICQ and his 24 hours from us is about up.. Oh well its his CC account not ours..

Not even a reply on hiw own message board from his little @$$ http://forum.paradise-designs.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=73

But the one nice thing about all of this is he had a server hosted here with us as well.. He did some design work for matrixreseller.com and gave him a server in trade for 3 month for free. Funny thing is the 3 months was up 2 days after all of this happned to say the least I will not let him renew that server and was shut down ASAP.. As it shows he can't pay the bills he has now..LOL

Originally posted by Vortech
But the one nice thing about all of this is he had a server hosted here with us as well.. He did some design work for matrixreseller.com and gave him a server in trade for 3 month for free. Funny thing is the 3 months was up 2 days after all of this happned to say the least I will not let him renew that server and was shut down ASAP.. As it shows he can't pay the bills he has now..LOL

You know you could have auctioned off the chance to pull the plug on it and made a few extra bucks :D

The Prohacker... LOL good idea... I bet i could have got about $300 bucks out of that, Give them the tour of the DC, fly them to FL and plus get to pull the plug on PD's server.. Heck i just shut down the interface port on the switch.. Some one still needs to pull it out the rack and put it out the window..LOL

We are going to reformat it tomorrow any one one want to be the one to put the CD in and delete all his users on that server..LOL

Vortech please read your email, it's important!
Thanks!

timechange I don't see an email from you. Where did you send it?

Hmm I clicked on the "mail" link under the Vortech post.

To save you some time:

My domain, Fused.net, was on MustangGT! At the Orlando/Level3 NOC. Please please please, I need to have access to my files and database!! Can you assist a fellow O'town guy? :D

timechange, I just got your email, I may be able to help you out with that as well ;) Just get back to me in email i will do what i can to help.

Originally posted by MatrixRS
We are going to reformat it tomorrow any one one want to be the one to put the CD in and delete all his users on that server..LOL

I do I do :D

Vortech please consider setting up a temp access point so that the other users can get their files! If you check out the forums at PD we are all very frustrated about all this, we were lied to and many are resellers!

Please postpone formatting the HD until we get our files :(

Originally posted by timechange
Vortech please consider setting up a temp access point so that the other users can get their files! If you check out the forums at PD we are all very frustrated about all this, we were lied to and many are resellers!

Please postpone formatting the HD until we get our files :(


Yeah you might even get a few customers outa the deal :D

Greetings:

I thought I would post an update on the Paradise Designs CPANEL issue....

1.) Have they paid their bill? NO, PowerSurge has not received payment from them as of 5pm (CST) July 1, 2002.

2.) How late were they? The bill for the month was due June 8th. Payment was not received 2 weeks in a row after repeated attempts to collect and on week 3 an ultimatum was put in place with an additional week to pay the bill. All consequences were clearly defined on a daily basis. TimPD failed to pay knowing in advance what would happen and it did!

3.) Has Paradise Designs attempted to pay PowerSurge? Yes they have asked to pay via credit card but also threatened a charge back, thus PowerSurge requested a money order FedEx'ed to them to re-activate CPANEL Licenses. To date PowerSurge has not received confirmation that payment has been sent.

4.) Has PowerSurge and DarkOrb worked with customers that have had downed services? Yes, we have worked hand in hand with a number of hosting providers to either restore service directly through PowerSurge and other companies?

PowerSurge is a friendly hosting company that worked with TimPD quite extensively; we produced him a customized billing solution to meet his needs. He missed 5/7 payments on time and each time payment was due PowerSurge had to go out and seek it. While PowerSurge certainly understands the trouble caused by disabling a large amount CPANEL Licenses, we did do our best to work with TimPD. PowerSurge bent almost every policy it has on billing to accommodate the young Kentuckian!

PowerSurge asked for the help of DarkOrb to help facilitate this, it seems when TimPD found out he was getting the plug pulled he had intentions of simply moving his Licenses to another provider. The Licenses are currently locked at our request until payment for the month of June is made.

If you are one of the many web hosting companies affected by TimPD's lack of responsibility, you have a 3 options to get back up and running.....

a.) Get in contact with a "listed" CPANEL Provider and have them e-mail me directly for release of your license.

b.) Contact PowerSurge and sign up for your CPANEL License directly.

c.) Hold and out hope TimPD sends a money order to have the Licenses released.

If you are a Partner NOC or a Distributor beware of Timmy Petty or be prepared to pay his CPANEL bill month to month while you wait to get payment for him.

If you are a web host client who received service from TimPD please know that many other good providers are available to meet your needs, check out www.webhostingtalk.com and post your specifications, you will get a ton of good people wanting to host your site.

Thanks,

I would like to thank Vortech - thank you is not enough - for assisting in accessing my files and databases on Mustang.

Aaron, it seems you have Tim's full name and contact information. I will need it to claim my refund; plus damages if he does not reply in 48 hours.

Well I have lost 300 dollars becase of his failure to pay, I think I was late for a bill of a total of 18 dollars. His words to me "If you don't pay I will pull the plug"

I asked to fillout a form for this loss of money, due to his own fault, he is we will see what we can do.

I currently take about 10 gigs of space and 100 gigs of transfer...I can not move my entire "network" around very easy, and being on a 56k well that just blows moving out of proportion within cost reason with a Cpanel

I am very sad that Tim has done this to his clients, and myself, he has not only embarrased me, but is costing me MONEY, so I now have to look for someone that will will treat me with respect.

Thank you for visiting WebDefinity.com, we will not be taking any new clients at this time. We appreciate concerns, we will still provide to our current clints, but are unable to assit new clients.


We do not provide Web Design, and will not be able to assist you in this area in the future.


Thank You

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Is this because of TimPD?

Originally posted by Dotcomsnz
hehe,

gonna contradict myself lol

Well if you purchase cpanel, there wouldn't be any need for these long threads when your distributor doesn't pay their bill lol....

Just one advantage... :D

http://www.cpanel.net/dist.htm

You can find the OFFICAL list of distributors here, if they aren't listed here they are not a DarkORB customer (or they haven't sent in a logo.. billing@cpanel.net can verify if they are offical or not if need be)

Hey Nick,

Wanna toss a comment here?
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58096

It is one of the reasons iamdave

Originally posted by Dotcomsnz
I only have one more thing to post within this thread and I hope that Nick is reading this thread :D

Would it not be a good idea if when cpanel distros don't pay their bills that for 7 days, the only thing inaccessable to users is the cpanel itself? We can explain things to clients about cpanel and some don't access everyday, but when their email goes down, businesses lose email due to something completely out of theirs and their hosts hands. This (email not working) causes problems and lost clients.

I would certainly switch providers and have done so after this exact problem, our clients need their email and it is not our fault that it doesn't work..... cpanel in a way has cost us a few clients this year. Give a bit of slack to the end user i say....

my 2$ worth :D

Paradise Designs was not a DarkORB customer, and not an offical distributor. If they were an offical distributor, we would have contacted the customers and put them on 15 day licenses. However, we have never had any problems will offical distributors [listed here:http://www.cpanel.net/dist.htm] :)

Originally posted by timechange


Also SMTP goes down once the license expires. PHP scripts are unable to send email!


Exim is not linked to the cPanel license in any way. Mail still gets delivered to the pop box and can be sent as well.

Originally posted by The Prohacker
Hey Nick,

Wanna toss a comment here?
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58096

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Originally posted by bdraco



Exim is not linked to the cPanel license in any way. Mail still gets delivered to the pop box and can be sent as well.

Funny you are saying that, but as soon as the licences expired, my PHP forms stopped working. Also, I was unable to check my email with a POP3 email client (Eudora). I had to use pine from the shell.

Nick, I have one client who can not access their mail saying Access Denied...And well I have the password, and I can login to the cpanel and get the invalid file but I use the same passwod for the default email and it doesnt work!

Guys-

Admin from Powersurge here......
If you have any inkling for quick assistance and it does appear to be linked to the paradise designs fiasco that time forgot- please check this out for details:
http://forums.cpanel.net/read.php?TID=3601

Whatever route you decide to go is up to you, of course. I know Nick & the darkorb staff don't have time to comb through the boards 24/7 to make sure everybody is taken care of, so we're doing our part since we were involved as well.

It's all up to you, that post from our VP of Sales basically lays it out on the line. I hope everyone can move forward from this point and focus on more productive avenues- especially Tim.

Any questions at all, let me know.

Peace
:cool:

Originally posted by TheComputerGuy
Nick, I have one client who can not access their mail saying Access Denied...And well I have the password, and I can login to the cpanel and get the invalid file but I use the same passwod for the default email and it doesnt work!

Please contact me directly (nick@cpanel.net)

:rolleyes:


Ah, and then the omnisicent one makes his presence known.
Well, the offer still remains from our end, as well.

We're standing by.

I'll back up what powersurge says. I've seen nothing but professionalism from them when handling the transfer of licenses. So I can definately vouch for them working with other distributors to get everything transfered in a quick and professional manner.

Originally posted by DanielP

#2 Since he's not a direct distributor he is put at a great disadvantage as far as cpanel problems. He can't go direct to Nick or Dave if something goes wrong with cpanel where-as distributors have direct lines to both.



The only thing any cpanel customer, whether a reseller or end user can't do it call and get phone support.

All cpanel customers, end users and unofficial resellers (meaning they resell through someone else) can get direct support from Nick and Darkorb. There is a support form at: http://support.cpanel.net/

And Dave answers all support@cpanel.net questions.. or forwards what he needs to Nick.

Support does not have to go through the partner NOC. But it is preferable too since the partner NOC/distributor usually can fix most problems since they've probably seen the error before.

But just so end users know, they don't have to.

is this thread ever going to die?

yeah ok i am sorry to hear about everyones problems with TIMPD and his cpanel licenses, but come on... theres no sense in beating a dead horse is there?

You can always unsubscribe from the thread; to us who got conned it's important to stay up to date.

Hello,
I'm sorry for not posting in here sooner then I have. I have been out of the office and staff have been handling things for us. We're working with the issue. I believe that this situation has been taken way out of hand. I have been reachable via Emergency Contact phone as many of you know and not many people have called. I'm very sorry for being around as I rushed home today to take care of things to see what else is going on etc. Moderators I believe that this topic should be closed as this is being taken way out of hand. Mods please close this topic as well as if someones needs in contact with me please feel free to contact me via email,ICQ,AIM etc. I'm also back at the office and reachable via the normal hours 1800 number. If you have any questions please feel free to contact me. Aaron, please get in contact with me you refuse to do any contact with us or answer any calls so please do so.

Originally posted by TimPD
Hello,
Moderators I believe that this topic should be closed as this is being taken way out of hand. Mods please close this topic as well as if someones needs in contact with me please feel free to contact me via email,ICQ,AIM etc.Tim, it seems as if that's the only comment that you can think of. I have a comment to the Moderators, make PD their own Forum, so they can have all their complaints over in their own Forum, instead of cluttering up these forums.;)

Tim, here's what you should do:

1. Apologize for your incompetence to handle clients' issues
2. Stop promising things you can't deliver
3. Refund your customer - I sent you an invoice already, check your email
4. Be responsible and not lie about your age, like you've done all along.

I moved my web site away from PD because I can't be without CPanel for 5 days and no web access for 48 hours. You are causing more trouble than what you already know. I am expecting your payment in my account in 48 hours otherwise prepare for some southern hospitality my friend.

Tim, the only reason that "this situation has been taken way out of hand." is you.

From the sounds of it powersurge has walked on hot coals for you to try and avoid this from happening.

A simple certified check in the mail would have taken care of everything.... not only that but every cpanel license you sell you make a profit on, PERIOD. Which means for you to NOT have $ to pay the bills you spent money which should have been earmarked to pay for those licenses... so in short... you screwed up.. so please, just admit your mistake, pay your bill, and clean your act up.

Originally posted by timechange
You can always unsubscribe from the thread; to us who got conned it's important to stay up to date.

nah i aint subscribed i just got tired of seeing it on the top of the list all the time :)

thats ok though... i'll live with it. I thought the issue was resolved but people were still complaining about it. After reading tims last post i see that its not resolved, so sorry for jumping to conclusions :)

Timmy:

I believe at this point the only contact that needs to be made is you sending me the FedEX tracking number of the Money Order you are sending me! Upon recieving this I will be more than happy to post in this forum and let your customers who are suffering know you have taken some responsibility.

In terms of closing this thread??? Would that be because it is huring your reputation? Just FYI, I was asked to post in this forum by one of the MODS as a public service announcment and to help out the poor and unknowing customers you have caused so much grief.

Please do us a favor and produce me a Money Order so I am able to move on with my life, your customers are calling me and all the distributors and getting very upset.....

-AP

Tim thinks we have time to chit chat on ICQ, AIM and bull**** our time around. Tim, the clock is ticking away so next time you will hear from me in person I will be asking for damages on top of that.

Originally posted by whw


nah i aint subscribed i just got tired of seeing it on the top of the list all the time :)

thats ok though... i'll live with it. I thought the issue was resolved but people were still complaining about it. After reading tims last post i see that its not resolved, so sorry for jumping to conclusions :) Ignore it...

Hell if you've been late 5 outa the 7 months you've done this, I would have deleted your account along time ago... YOU brought this upon yourself...


This thread should just stay open, it lets it remain up at the top so everyone else can see how you do business...

I agree with another post, I wonder what your parents would think if they got a call about all that you've done and about the people wanting to take them to court over lost reveune....

Originally posted by iamdave
Ignore it...

no way! now i am sitting here clicking the refresh button because its finnally getting interesting..... :D

so just ignore me and let the saga continue......

Hello,
TimeChange.com yes I can talk to you on ICQ if you wish. Please ICQ me.

Tim, I emailed you already. It's an email from PayPal with the exact amount that I want refunded in 48 hours. I won't be spending the rest of my evening on ICQ. Fair warning.

Tim-

The unfortunate pillar of this entire discussion is the fact that you have caused us an enormous amount of lost time. That, coupled with the fact that we have a sizable loss considering the licenses you have yet refused to send *TANGIBLE* payment for, forces us to attempt to justify the time spent.

Somehow, you have fathomed that everyone else in the webhosting world has truckloads of time to spend battling in forums, via email, via instant messenger, and chewing the phat with you on the phone regarding all things Timmy.

It just isn't reality though. I hope everyone realizes that situations like this are a horrible waste. Tim, you and your "staff" - which have never materialized except in your head- have taught us here a valuable lesson- one that we should have seen coming long ago.

We're at fault for not seeing this coming at the onset of our relationship with you; basically, we didn't do enough searches at webhostingtalk and abroad to realize what we were getting into.

PLEASE reconsider your methods and attempt to divert to a more respectable and responsible path. We've learned a lesson here, albeit a ridiculously costly one, now we're asking you to do the same.

Thank you!

wow...he was actually a minor running the show? :eek3:

Originally posted by bdraco


http://www.cpanel.net/dist.htm

You can find the OFFICAL list of distributors here, if they aren't listed here they are not a DarkORB customer (or they haven't sent in a logo.. billing@cpanel.net can verify if they are offical or not if need be)

Point taken Nick.... Only deal with the distributors and not resellers of distributors and these problems shouldn't occur.

Even if someone claims on their website to be a distributor, check with the distributor list as displayed at cpanel.net.

:D

Originally posted by Dotcomsnz


Point taken Nick.... Only deal with the distributors and not resellers of distributors and these problems shouldn't occur.

Even if someone claims on their website to be a distributor, check with the distributor list as displayed at cpanel.net.

:D

As Nick pointed out... not just check the list but EMAIL Darkorb to find out. There are more distributors and partner NOC's than listed on that site. I've been a partner NOC for some time now but I just haven't had the time to come up with a suitable logo I want displayed on that page :)

hehe,
forgot the email part.... oh life is so hard to remember these days..... got it, also know that you are a Partner Noc too :D
(Although have had problems with partner Noc's)

Oh and by the way,

The thread starter, JKehe used to be a partner NOC but they dropped the ball and lost it..... we had cpanel go down, lost clients and had to find a provider ourselves because they never fixed the problem within a reasonable time..... how does it feel Jeff to be on the receiving end for a change :D

Just rememeber that what goes around..... comes around!!!
Good luck!!

jkehe and serverhost.com are still advertising the fact that they are "Distributors" for cpanel - They are not even a partner NOC anymore as DarkOrb have given them the flick....

Ignore this info from their website

"

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With both Cpanel and WebHost Manager, you and your clients will be in control of every aspect of the Web Hosting World. With an administrator interface through WebHost Manager, and an end user interface through Cpanel, every part of your hosting operations are covered. From e-mail to MySQL, everything is taken care of with Cpanel and WebHost Manager. With our new features, Cpanel and WebHost Manager are easier to use then ever. A complete feature list and additional screenshots are available from the Cpanel Webpage.




The Cpanel and WebHost Manager package allows you two interfaces for web hosting control. The Cpanel interface is a client side interface, which allows your customers to easily control a web hosting account. With the touch of a button, they can add e-mail accounts, access their files, backup their files, setup a shopping cart, and more. The WebHost Manager Interface allows Web Hosting companies to control the accounts on their servers. Through WebHost Manager you can add/remove accounts on a server, park or point domains, control bandwidth, disk space, and more.


Through our strategic partnership with DarkORB, we can offer our customers this this package of Cpanel and WebHost Manager at competitive rates.


Internal licenses (for servers in one of our data centers) are sold starting at $75 per license.


External licenses (for servers not in one of our data centers) are sold starting at $95 per license.

Order now: sales@serverhost.com


" Cos it is all BS... As far as I am aware their strategic partnership has gone down the toilet.....

Also what makes you think that you are entitled to a refund?... you threatened to turn our server off because we asked for a refund for the same problem (cpanel not working due to false claims from your website= DarkOrb no longer wanting you for a partner NOC), it was refused by you so I advised you of a charge back... I never did the charge back but I wish I was in the position to do so at that time - serverhost=suck :D

Has anyone had any success in gaining a refund from Tim? He appears to have stopped responding to my ICQ messages. I see that his merchant account is through Online Data Corp., and that he uses the BluePay Gateway system, and I have his merchant number recorded. Should I contact Online Data Corp. about getting a refund?

Well, immediately after posting here, Tim said he would have the refund processed in 15 minutes. We'll see what happens.

Please email us if you haven't received a refund . I'm still processing some refunds and haven't completed them all.

Well, Tim has given me what looks like confirmation that the refund has been done. I'll post back once I hear from the credit card company as to whether or not it actually went through.

Oh no... Am I screwed? I sent $75 to Tim yesterday morning and he's been telling me he doesn't know why my license isn't working. I chose to do business with Tim for a couple reasons: His prices were reasonable. He was always prompt and friendly and he seemed professional to me. His age didn't matter to me at all (I started my first company at 14)

I JUST saw this thread. When I asked before where a good place was to buy Cpanel licenses, everyone recommended Tim.

Aaron

No refunds here, 48 hours after the official cancellation. I have emailed Tim with my immediate intention to take the matter to the court. I advice everyone else to do the same, for details email me.

LOL, file a class action suite.

I apoglize for not refunding you quicker TimeChange.com I have send a refund. I was building up my paypal funds so it would be instant.

Yes, Tim sent me the refund 5 minutes ago.

Originally posted by timechange
Yes, Tim sent me the refund 5 minutes ago. Good, that you got it resolved.

My Advice to Timmy.

You're 16.

Go get a car and get laid.

Do the business thing later.

oh my lord. lol

i got screwed over by timmy and i have an entire conversation saved my chat program saves it and then he goes and lies about what he said to me.

he's too immature to run a business.

Well.... Since timmy doesn't want us to talk about his problems in the neopanel thread we will revive this one.

Just a note that he is still deliquent with powersurge by my guess a little over $2000.00 and ontop of that I'm sure he owes money to a few other places since if I remember correctly he had a few servers that got turned off for non-payment....

So in the intrest of keeping threads on topic I revive this one for everyone to continue to rant about timmy and post the things he has or has not done to repay his debts.

Actually, None Of Our Servers Are Turned off.

I could have swore there was a thread about that and a client having to get their data off it... I'll dig it up when I get a chance, but until then I have a few customers to take care of :)

Daniel-

Thanks very much, however I have to bite the bullet here and leave Timmy to other organizations/agencies that have been summoned to deal with him since he refuses to take responsibility

My only purpose in discussing this on WHT is to prevent other people that may not know Tim's past history from being afflicted by him and his practices. That's it, that's all.

I am hoping he will end this in a respectable manner but as the days keep trickling by it seems like an impossibility.

I'm sure we all have much better things to do with our time. (besides Mr. Petty of course). I guarantee that things will work themselves out, period.

I appreciate your concern nonetheless.

I believe it was a Vortech server (or one of those host with a 'V' in their name) that was terminated because of expiration, but not because of non-payment.

Peter

Originally posted by TimPD
Actually, None Of Our Servers Are Turned off.


Originally posted by Vortech
But the one nice thing about all of this is he had a server hosted here with us as well.. He did some design work for matrixreseller.com and gave him a server in trade for 3 month for free. Funny thing is the 3 months was up 2 days after all of this happned to say the least I will not let him renew that server and was shut down ASAP.. As it shows he can't pay the bills he has now..LOL

:rolleyes:

It isn't turned off. We took care of that as soon as we fuond out about it. He didn't get the contract in time. Have A Nice Day. Bringing up a old topic is also against the rules I do believe.

Originally posted by TimPD
It isn't turned off. We took care of that as soon as we fuond out about it. He didn't get the contract in time. Have A Nice Day. Bringing up a old topic is also against the rules I do believe.



Participants may not bump threads uneccessarily. Bumping can refer to posting useless information, making corrections or updates in a new post, posting one-liners or any other action to delibrately keep a thread hot. Moderators will use their discretion depending on the nature of the post as to whether to take action or not.


Information about you being a poor business person isn't useless :D

Bringing up a 3-day old topic is against the rules? :eek:

I'm afraid this topic is more then a week old.

Last post before today:
07-05-2002 12:41 PM


Not a week old.. Need counting lessons???

1...2....3....4...5....6..7...???

*Takes the shovel away from tim and mentions he might want to slow down digging his own grave*


BBL I have food to eat now :)

Have fun guys.

Originally posted by TimPD
It isn't turned off. We took care of that as soon as we fuond out about it. He didn't get the contract in time. Have A Nice Day. Bringing up a old topic is also against the rules I do believe. I couldn't find anything that states that on the rules page. http://webhostingtalk.com/misc.php?s=&action=forum-rules

It does, however, prohibit bumping.Participants may not bump threads uneccessarily. Bumping can refer to posting useless information, making corrections or updates in a new post, posting one-liners or any other action to delibrately keep a thread hot. Moderators will use their discretion depending on the nature of the post as to whether to take action or not.But I do not consider any of the posted comments "bumping."

The THREAD wasn't started the 5th.........

Originally posted by TimPD
The THREAD wasn't started the 5th.........


And your point is??? What does the day this thread started on have anything to do with this??


This thread was intended to show how much of a theif/lier/child you are, and it is on topic... I don't really see the date on this thread a mater...

hmm. We're not theifs,liars nor a child. I will say no more. As I can sit back and watch all these Web Host Bash other Web Host.. The thread is sure traveling off topic again...

Originally posted by TimPD
hmm. We're not theifs,liars nor a child. I will say no more. As I can sit back and watch all these Web Host Bash other Web Host.. The thread is sure traveling off topic again... Tim, the threads go off topic, because you make them go that way. People want to tell their story and give their opinions about you. It is a discussion board, hence, people have the right to discuss.

Tim, I am being genuine when I say this. You need to calm down, evaluate the situation, make right on anything you've done wrong, pay your debts, face the facts and cease making those types of mistakes. Ignoring them won't make them go away and screaming to have thread's closed isn't going to resolve it. If you have to, borrow money, sell something(s) and pay your debts, and move on. All in all, I'd suggest you just stop coming to this web site. I'm not saying that to offend you or tell you what do you, but I fail to see why you even bother. This is insane. If you can't manage that, I for one refuse to even acknowledge your existence here.

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
I for one refuse to even acknowledge your existence here.

Who??? :D

Originally posted by The Prohacker


Who??? :D

taking a WILD guess here..but I think he was talking about TimPD...

Originally posted by alpha


taking a WILD guess here..but I think he was talking about TimPD...


^^Sarcasim^^

*gasp* :D

Originally posted by alpha


taking a WILD guess here..but I think he was talking about TimPD...

*Zooooooooooooom...*

OT: *hands over head* yea yea... lol

just one of those moments when I completely lost all sense of sarcasm :stickout my bad heh

If possible PowerSurge.Net will exchange your HUGE CPANEL debt for your Ford Mustang. While I know we will only recover about 50% of our loss its better than nothing.

If the Mustang is unavailable how about setting up a lemonade stand or getting a part time job at Burger King and paying us!

While it may seem unreasonable to request you get a job at a Fast Food joint, I think it would make a good fit, you know structure, boss, paycheck, responsibility, all that fun stuff that you have seemed to skip right over when deciding to run your own web hosting company.

And then again, you are required to be at least 16 to work at Burger King, bummer!!@#@#&

The sad truth is that over the past 3 months I have spent a minimum of 40 hours on the phone with you. Every single one of these posts that people are so called "flaming" you or making bad judgment calls are the truth.

Do you even realize that the moderators of this board dislike your ethics as much as the whole gang of anti-TimPD cult you have created. Hell, they came to me and asked me to post about your wonderful business ethics.

Scream all you want about closing the thread, but the damage is done, your 16, the worst business person I have ever met, and have ethics of a home schooled, 10 year old brat.

Still Friends?
AP

Timmah and The Lords of the Underworld can go on a tour and maybe make a little money?

($edit::the) =~ /and/, /right?/;

wow Tim posted, when was the last time i seen a post from Tim - thats Tim Greer ;)

bump

Originally posted by edude
wow Tim posted, when was the last time i seen a post from Tim - thats Tim Greer ;)

"...for the last decade I've been in a cave. On Mars. With my eyes shut tight. And my fingers in my ears." -- Cecil Terwilliger, The Simpsons.

oh ok :bawling:

Originally posted by Tim_Greer


"...for the last decade I've been in a cave. On Mars. With my eyes shut tight. And my fingers in my ears." -- Cecil Terwilliger, The Simpsons.

Excellent quote, any fan of the Simpsons can not be wrong ;)

Aaron or Travis. I request you to give me a call you know the number. When someone tries to call you and you're always busy.....

Would the purpose of the call be to chew the phat regarding all things Petty (no pun intended)? Or would it be to extract a check-over-phone payment to finally end this?

Timmy, no one in our company has any more time available for the paradise designs gossip column. We would like your hugely delinquent payment to be resolved, and then we would like to completely seal you away from our portion of the midwest, for the rest of eternity.

Appreciate the candor, as always.

You realize that damaging us more then you already have is sure not going to get your payment (which they refused to take via CC) there any faster? Damaging a customer is taking funds away that is used to pay bills. You Know that?. You must not. I recommend you watch what you do if you want your money fast .

Originally posted by TimPD
You realize that damaging us more then you already have is sure not going to get your payment (which they refused to take via CC) there any faster? Damaging a customer is taking funds away that is used to pay bills. You Know that?. You must not. I recommend you watch what you do if you want your money fast .

Translation.

If you don't shut up, you will NEVER see your money.

I recommend you watch what you do if you want your money fast

Is that a threat Tim? I don't think it matters what he does, its your job to give him his money no matter what (as I hear it). I don't think that threatening him will get him to stop. Now maybe meeting his demands will. Good Luck :D

Mr or Mrs Shyne,
Would you please not worry about our business and keep your nose out of ours? Thank You.

TimPD, no business will go your way with that attitude.

Here is the secret recipe to speak with us!

PAY US! You don't deserve one more minute of phone time with our company. Quit calling or I will personally call the Police and file harassment charges! Call my bluff, and watch me file charges! Pay us or suffer at the hands of our lawyers and collection agency. Try and do business and know that I will be there proclaiming to your customers the scam artist that you are. Our phone hours are for paying customer and potential customers, which you are neither of the mentioned.

Your little company has no potential, you gave it a shot, you failed, now quit seeking attention, go back to being home schooled, learn something productive, and get the hell out the web hosting business.

Just to set the record straight, we are not busy, we just refuse to waste our time with you. We have been down that road and it is a huge waste of our time.

Am I bitter? HELL YEAH! Do I dislike you? HELL YEAH! Do we intend on getting our money? You and uncle Leonard will find out in near future!

Oh, have a great night!
Aaron

Yeah, I'm sure that would stand up well in court.
Do what I did, put his username on ignore. You don't have to see any of his posts anymore. End of story.

I do believe this thread can be closed now and happened off the boards...


However, Our Small Company Mr? I don't believe we're to small you literally offered to buy us out before all this plus offered me a sales job at PowerSurge!!!.

Tim just like you need to let me handle the things that my company does right? Oh I see so we can only flame when its not TimPD. Sorry.

Anyway, the best of luck with your biz issues.

Thanks :D

I do believe this thread can be closed now and happened off the boards...

Oh sure, just when its getting good. Tim you ruin all the fun. :bawling:

Originally posted by TimPD
I do believe this thread can be closed now and happened off the boards...


However, Our Small Company Mr? I don't believe we're to small you literally offered to buy us out before all this plus offered me a sales job at PowerSurge!!!. Why do you always want the threads closed?

I do believe this thread can be closed now and happened off the boards...

How many times are you gonna post that before you realize the mods are not coming to save you.
Pay the man and end it. Simple solution.

Originally posted by iamdave
Why do you always want the threads closed?

If you were caught in the middle of a parade with your pants down, would you try to pull up your pants?

Originally posted by TimPD
You must not. I recommend you watch what you do if you want your money fast .

Tim, I don't think you are in the position to threaten a company you owe money to in an online (and may I say public) forum. They are giving you a chance to put this behind everyone if you just pay them. By threatening them, they'll have more motivation in seeking a recourse legally and this would be unfortunate for business as I see that you seem to try to protect your reputation at WHT.

Also, stop posting requests to get the thread closed. There are moderators who close threads when they see fit and not upon request of the person/company being questioned (unless requested by thread starter).

Good luck

No, This will never end now. Once everything is resolved this will always remain on WHT as well as will not be closed nor deleted....

Because its so easy to spot. Its right on spot for god sakes. Aren't you paying attention iamdave?

Yes but the difference is "I" would pull my pants up not scream for someone else to cover me.

Wow this is a fast one, 3 posts were made while I was making mine.

Originally posted by Monte
Yes but the difference is "I" would pull my pants up not scream for someone else to cover me.

But what if you were mentally deficient and weren't able to work it out?

Originally posted by Tim_Greer


But what if you were mentally deficient and weren't able to work it out?

:D :nuts: :nuts: :nuts:

Yes but the difference is "I" would pull my pants up not scream for someone else to cover me.

That makes a lot of sense.

Anyway, Tim I know what it feels like to be flamed. And I know its not right and sometimes the people bring up the most irrelevant things. But if you want it to stop. You gotta get up, realize your mistakes and try and fix them. One thing my dad always tells me is that he won't always be there to pick me up when I fall. I guess the mods can't help this time.

And I know it sucks to have these threads in forum archives but its mistakes that your gonna have to live with. The best thing to do is solve the problem and move on. Thanks

Originally posted by TimPD
No, This will never end now. Once everything is resolved this will always remain on WHT as well as will not be closed nor deleted....

Why on earth did you let is escalate to something of this scale? Timmy, if you get this ironed out with us, and everybody else who you've damaged in this particular issue, we'll gladly go to the mods (who ASKED us to post regarding the situation to begin with), and get the thread frozen forever if not removed.

Can I make any promises on that? Of course not.
Will I even try if we get paid? Maybe, it depends if you settle your outstanding balance in the next week or if it happens come autumn via your mustang being auctioned off.

A little change of heart & business practice on your end, if positive, will result in a lot of positive occurences that will be in YOUR favor. But first you have to finally close the door on this issue by settling your $ issue with Powersurge.

That's it, that's all.

we'll gladly go to the mods (who ASKED us to post regarding the situation to begin with), and get the thread frozen forever if not removed.


I highly doubt a moderator would ask you to post a post ilke this that they knew would turn into 13 pages.

But what if you were mentally deficient and weren't able to work it out?

Then why would you be walking in a parade. And if you were mentally deficent and weren't able to work it out, you probally wouldn't care that your pants were down.

I highly doubt a moderator would ask you to post a post ilke this that they knew would turn into 13 pages.

Does it matter about the thread. Its shifting way off subject now. Just pay the people and lets all be happy :)

Thanks

Originally posted by Neo3Net


Then why would you be walking in a parade. And if you were mentally deficent and weren't able to work it out, you probally wouldn't care that your pants were down.

But somehow they manage to get themselves into those situations anyway, now don't they?

Do you have to be a former customer to get a refund from Tim?

If everyone is doing it! I want one too! :)

Timmy, I don't think you can blame powersurge for your loss of business. You did that to your self by attempting to screw over customers, lie and not pay your bills. The damage was done way before powersurge entered the conversation.

As far as having them post, the mods asked them to clear the issue up, which they did. You and ONLY you timmy are to blame for the length of this thread.

Yes very true, they can get into almost anything these days.
:)

Nope, We Didn't screw any of our customers. Pretty much all the ones that was affected are happy now.

Pretty much all the ones that was effected are happy now.


Pretty much all those who were effected are now happy

Also, PowerSurge doesn't seem to happy? Are you posting on the same thread?

I'm an affected non-customer, I want a refund!

Yes, after having to publicly call you on your bluff to not refund their money on Several occasions. Not one, not two, but three or more if I remember correctly. So while in the end the customers got their refunds, it took a thread here to get them that refund.

Yes, after having to publicly call you on your bluff to not refund their money on Several occasions. Not one, not two, but three or more if I remember correctly. So while in the end the customers got their refunds, it took a thread here to get them that refund.

So WHT is helpful....YAY :D

Originally posted by TimPD
Nope, We Didn't screw any of our customers. Pretty much all the ones that was effected are happy now.


Who's we?
Also, if nobody was truly affected by this, why was there a stampede of cpanel licenses out from under the beloved paradise designs umbrella, that are now largely populated elsewhere? Why did we have constant tickets and calls all centering around the same question:

"Let me guess, Timmy didn't pay his bills..."

Tim, we got screwed, does that count for your list?
We need a "refund" too!
Actually, you need to pay us for services rendered. (You collected $ from your customers in late May and June), and so far you've decided to let us eat the chunk of OUR darkorb bill that provided the services you were personally paid for.

Why is this so hard to grasp?

Originally posted by Neo3Net


Pretty much all those who were effected are now happy


Is PowerSUrge a Customer? NO

I still haven't gotten confirmation from my bank of the refund. Once that happens, I'll have this thread closed, like you keep e-mailing me about, Timmy.

Moments after posting: http://forums.cpanel.net/read.php?TID=3601, I received an e-mail from one of the moderators asking me to:

"If you haven't already I suggest you post the message that you posted over at cpanel.net on WebHostingTalk, there is a lot of confusion regarding TimPD.

I suggest posting in the dedicated server’s forum."

Certainly the moderators are only doing the rest of the Web Hosting World a enormous favor by allowing this to continue, seeking justice, and allowing this to continue.

Did you say something about a Money Order? Possibly via FedEx? With tracking number? I promise upon payment I will begin referring customers your way, that is if you have a good affiliate program setup.

Why is this so hard to grasp?

Well unless he has a touch screen...

210 POSTS Wow this has got to be an all time record.
:)

Yeh... well.... half the posts are from you so I don't think it counts..... :D

I just got into this thread 3 pages ago. Which in time translates to 10 min ago. So don't blame me :D

refund?

Ok back on topic...

If you've been screwed over, threatened or otherwise dissatisfied with timmy by not getting a refund without a hassle or otherwise had a bad experience... please raise your hand...

*waving hand vigorously* both hands.

Timmy- you can vote too! I'm sure you've been dissatisfied and/or afflicted by yourself in some way during this whole ordeal.

Just FYI.

Daniel - What is up with you Bashing Us? No Wonder Why everyone calls this a web host bashing a web host. This doesn't look good on you going around and bashing us nor anyone else that is a web hosting company.

Only about 23,000 more views to catch the "It has to be done" thread. :eek:

"Raises right foot!"

hey thats unfair, i only have two hands..... but i raise both of them + 2 feet and I am going to get my Dog to participate in this, that is if PAWS count. Plus I think he was somehow been emotionally scared by this whole thing.

And TimPD, you can't participate!

Um lets see... because I’ve had to deal with a LOT of your customers and hear their horror stories and I don't want to have anyone repeat the process...

But then again... your not one to speak are you little timmy... or did you forget the neopanel thread that you were happily bashing away in a few hours ago... Oh... I guess you did forget it already! :)

Originally posted by TimPD
Daniel - What is up with you Bashing Us? No Wonder Why everyone calls this a web host bashing a web host. This doesn't look good on you going around and bashing us nor anyone else that is a web hosting company.



Tim- thing is, you aren't a webhost. At least not in this particular discussion. You are (read: WERE) a reseller of a Distributor of a product. If you have the other Paradise Designs gears churning in other aspects of the web hosting industry, so be it. In this instance however, you are a go-between that compromises business relationships for everyone in the control panel venue of CPanel.

Hence you must be stopped. This is getting ridiculous and you are drifting further from a solution with every post you make.

Also, you can still VOTE on Daniel's motion, just a reminder.

What is up with you Bashing Us?

I would have to agree, however who started the NeoPanel thread...hmm I wonder? See tim at least you did something to these people. I never did anything to you or anyone else.

But then again... your not one to speak are you little timmy... or did you forget the neopanel thread that you were happily bashing away in a few hours ago... Oh... I guess you did forget it already!

Same idea, same time. Well then its gotta be true :D

Im not a web host, Im a human beeiiiiinngggg!!!!!!!

Excuse Me? A reseller. I'm afraid not we have our own servers in Dallas,Texas as well as have some dedicated servers leased out in other data centers. Get Your Damn Facts Right.

DanielP can't we keep this on subject. We all know that thread was started so the pressure would be off Timmy for a while. Sheesh....

man this needs to go to a live chat room, anyway have a location we can all meet and have some real time fun, I am sure TimPD is down!

Ooooo I see anger...

*gets popcorn and settles in for a long night*

wow, Ive never seen a thread grow so fast. Its moving at like a page every 15 minutes

Can't we all just get along? :bawling:

Originally posted by ap_surge
man this needs to go to a live chat room, anyway have a location we can all meet and have some real time fun, I am sure TimPD is down!

Im there, just say where to go ;)

Originally posted by ap_surge


....

Plus I think he was somehow been emotionally scared by this whole thing.



You think that _you_ are emotionally scared!? I HATE YOU ALL!!! *runs off sobbing*

Hey Daniel, pass the popcorn

But what is the topic?

Is it that Timmy doesn't give refunds until threats are made?

Is it that Timmy wastes his money like a kid so he can't pay his bills?

Is it that Timmy is just an irresponsible business owner and has violated a lot of customers trust?

Or is it that we should tie Timmy naked to the front of my Chevy and run him through a cornfield?

Originally posted by TimPD
Excuse Me? A reseller. I'm afraid not we have our own servers in Dallas,Texas as well as have some dedicated servers leased out in other data centers. Get Your Damn Facts Right.

Timmy,

Did you READ my post. I clarified that entire aspect. This involves you reselling cpanel licenses, none of the other realms of webhosting the illustrious juggernaut that is Paradise Designs undoubtedly is involved in. I thought I made that clear.

At least you showed my "Facts" respect by capitalizing them, and even the cursing anecdote was capitalized. I'm stoked.

Are you going to make amends to this or just continue the soap opera? We're standing by.

Rolling with the punches......


:D

Originally posted by isildur


Timmy,

Did you READ my post. I clarified that entire aspect. This involves you reselling cpanel licenses, none of the other realms of webhosting the illustrious juggernaut that is Paradise Designs undoubtedly is involved in. I thought I made that clear.I was just going to point that out.

Ya I was just about to point that out too. I was on my way to posting but someone got in my way. Aww nuts.

I do believe this thread can be closed now and happened off the boards...

Just thought I would post this every 3 pages to save Tim the trouble.

no refund.... no popcorn... man, I'm going out

Originally posted by DanielP
But what is the topic?

...

Or is it that we should tie Timmy naked to the front of my Chevy and run him through a cornfield?

You Southerners...

Originally posted by Monte
I do believe this thread can be closed now and happened off the boards...

Just thought I would post this every 3 pages to save Tim the trouble. LOL

But Monte... the point of threads like this is to help people understand the type of person someone is.

What type of business they run

What are their business ethics

Can they pay their bills?

Why do they have Ford Mustangs but yet not the ability to keep customers happy and vendors paid?!

Let me make a request: I am subscribed to this thread for the sole purpose of learning more about TimPD (for better or worse), please refrain from making jokes, meta-comments( e.g. this thread has 210posts), or other off-topic comments.

If you guys get the thread off-topic, important questions such as those raised by the Powersurge guys will be overwhelmed, and someone will be able to avoid/not answer them.

(throw the popcorns into the trash)

Peter

Originally posted by Jag


Im there, just say where to go ;)

erm... Hosthideout.com is completely empty
c'mon guys! :D

Yes Tim.... we southerners know how to treat people.... I do have a nice tree in my yard.... its perfect to swing people from if ya know what I mean!


Oh Timmy.... here Timmy....

I will be right back I was going to figure out how many pages this thread is growing by per min. But I think I need a calculator.

Originally posted by ckpeter
Let me make a request: I am subscribed to this thread for the sole purpose of learning more about TimPD (for better or worse), please refrain from making jokes, meta-comments( e.g. this thread has 210posts), or other off-topic comments.

If you guys get the thread off-topic, important questions such as those raised by the Powersurge guys will be overwhelmed, and someone will be able to avoid/not answer them.

(throw the popcorns into the trash)

Peter

Oh, you're no fun at all!

Consider this, what don't we already know? What will change? Anything beyond this doesn't matter anyway. Are you expecting anything new? I don't expect to see anything new.

Ford Mustang :)? Wait To You see my new 2003 Jaguar S-Type 20 I got coming (sometime this year).