Anyone else with Readyhosting having problems publishing with Frontpage? I love their service other than the fact that Fronpage always locks up when uploading or opening the web.

FTP access is very fast, but who wants to update a Frontpage web like that?

Thanks,

Justin

I know this doesn't answer your question, but, FrontPage is problematic on every host. I have the FrontPage extensions on my server but I do not offer them to anyone for the simple fact that they cause more problems than they're worth. :)

Have you tried to repair frontpage? Open frontpage click on help then click on repair. You'll be prompted for the cdrom this should fix your uploading problems. More then likely you haven't installed everything in frontpage, thus you didn't install the feature to allow you to do that kind of publishing. Also there is a fix for that type of publishing at microsofts website in reguards to it passing your user name and password in the open. I recommend getting this critical update.

Note: This only works in Frontpage 2000

I have been using front page for about 2 1/2 years and been on 3 different servers everything has been running without a problem. Oh if your host uninstalls and reinstalls the FP extensions it may wipeout most of your work done on FP.

Hope this helps if not e-mail me, so we don't turn this forum into a techsupport area as I think it's not allowed.

Trying "repair" is a good suggestion. I used to use frontpage 2000 and it was crashing and getting corrupted all the time. Have you ever considered Dreamweaver? Version 4 is out and it's the nicest WSYWG editor out their right now. Generates a lot nicer code than FP does. Do yourself a favor and download the demo version and try it out.

Tabernack,

I understand what your saying but I disagree somewhat. New people wanting to get on the internet are looking for a easy way to do it and the easiest way is to buy software WYSIWYG is the most popular software out there. Front Page, Adobe, publish it, publishing 2000, hotdog, oh gawd so many more anyways. Well I have tried alot of them and the top dog IMHO is front page 2000, and for someone just getting into websites I recomend it with a passion because it is the most user friendly system I have messed with.

But it's your system. Knowledge is power, the more you learn how to get things to work the better off you could be.

My 2 pennies

LOL, I was wondering if I should have even said anything. I started then I erased I started and erased. Well I posted after Wert posted. I haven't tried dreamweaver What's the URL Wert?

Justin,

Have you actually tried contacting readyhosting.com to see if they are having a FrontPage extension problem with the server your site is hosted on?

Just a thought.

Front Page is problematic on many srvers, mine included. It may do better on servers running Windows, and it definitely has problems on many others. I've got one customer using it and it causes him problems. In helping him find solutions (work arounds, really) I learned first hand how problematic it can be.

Front Page has a bit of Microsoft/Bill Gate's ego in it, it tries to dominate everything and gets cranky if it can't. Twice, it wiped out 5 forums for this customer of mine and it wipes out his wusage (web statistics) directory whenever he publishes.

The only solution for the forums is a work around. Before he publishes, he has to move them up one level about the document root directory, and move them back afterwards. Nothing worked for the wusage directory and he has to log in and reconstruct it every time he publishes.

Front Page does make it easy for people who know nothing about HTML to create web sites, much like Windows 3.0 made it easier for people to use computers by shielding them form the DOS commands Windows was built on. In a sense, it was for dummies, like the series of books that incorporated that in their titles. For those of us who learned DOS and still us it, it is easier to accomplish many things faster at the command level. FP also generates sloppy, cumbersome code (what else would you expect from Microsoft?)

Many Front Page users bill themselves as web site designers. I laugh. My own belief is that professionals do not use it. It is Web Sites for Dummies, or those too lazy to learn a little and choose better tools. After all, one of the things a craftsman is judged on is the tools s/he uses. Then againm people who use FP aren't craftsmen.

Front Page is as dependable as Windows itself. That sums it up nicely. ;)

Wow, thanks for all of the responses guys. I called Readyhosting and orginally they told me that "Frontpage is inconsistent in speed" basically telling me that it wasn't their problem.
Today I called back and got a better tech who reinstalled the extensions for my server, and I think it is working better. I aggree with everyone, that Frontpage is quirky.
It seems that my problem is probably with the fact that I FTPed in stuff when Frontpage was acting weird. Because I copied the extensions directories and everything, it all got corrupt. Anyway, hopefully everything will be good now.

I agree with who ever stated that Frontpage is easier to use and more of a standard that Dreamweaver. I have Dreamweaver also and just find it a little harder to use. I'm actually creating all pages as ASP pages, and not really using the features of Frontpage. The only real reason I use it is an easy way to work on pages on my laptop, and then Publish, copying over only the changed pages when I plug into our network.


Thanks for all your help. I love this board.

For anyone who wants an opinion on ReadyHosting, here it is. I have been with them for only a few weeks (after switching from Webhosting.com and Web Burner). I really like them alot. I was scared to do it because of the "Unmetered bandwidth" and the too good to be true price. I have found their speed to be great, and their service to be B/B+. Although the phone support is only business hours, and hold times are 10-20 mins, I usually don't have to call back twice for the same issue. As long as Frontpage keeps on working, I'll be a happy customer.

Thanks again
Justin

Some of the other problems we've found is FP has a number of known security issues (can't recall the URL offhand, but if you do a search at dogpile for frontpage security problems you should find a bunch of links), tends to create non-standard html code (FP2000 is better though, bloats your site out a tad (I think on an empty site just installing the server extentions ate 3MB) and it has a tendency to do everything in -webbots- rather than more portable javascripts.

In addition, if you ftp into a fp site you run a good chance of breaking things.

My favorite comment from an associate of mine was "I don't need to know html, im a web designer." He is a diehard FP user who refuses to look at anything else, brags on his site that he uses 'stock MS themes' and 'Notepad' despite the fact that FP has a built in code editor. My preference is Dreamweaver, due to the power it has in it, and if you do ASP, I believe the UltraDev version is made for that. Bit of a learning curve, but well worth tackling. Not to knock FP, but 99% of the sites i've seen done it it have a 'sameness' to them. I have seen a few "WOW" sites done with it though. Each tool has its proper place, I guess.

Just my 2cents.

Outlook Express and a lot of other MS programs have security issues. FP is just one on a long list.

One thing people should remember is that FP and its bloated, sloppy code will cost busy sites money in increased bandwidth usage, not to mention consuming more disk space with all those &*%&%$ vti directories and files all over the place.
In addition, if you ftp into a fp site you run a good chance of breaking things.

Better than even. I'd say, at least on the 65% of servers that run Linux or Unix. FP has a hard time with any files that start with a dot and cannot publish them.

My favorite comment from an associate of mine was "I don't need to know html, im a web designer.".
He's a web designer like someone who does a paint by the numbers set is a painter.

I use Dreamweaver as well and agree that the learning curve is made worthwhile by the many benefits, including the integration of Flash, Shockwave, and other Macromedia products. I have Ultra Dev and it does ASP. Macromedia (who produces Dreamweaver) bought Allaire (who makes Cold Fusion), so expect more of it integrated in the future, though it already integrates ASP, JSP and CFM (Cold Fusion) . I haven't gotten the newest version (v4) yet, so I can't comment on it.

Not to knock FP, but 99% of the sites i've seen done it it have a 'sameness' to them.
I agree. Aren't templates wonderful! :rolleyes: The horse and dog paint sets do get tiresome after a while, though. ;)



[Edited by Duster on 02-08-2001 at 10:17 PM]

Originally posted by Duster
Front Page has a bit of Microsoft/Bill Gate's ego in it, it tries to dominate everything and gets cranky if it can't. Twice, it wiped out 5 forums for this customer of mine and it wipes out his wusage (web statistics) directory whenever he publishes.

The only solution for the forums is a work around. Before he publishes, he has to move them up one level about the document root directory, and move them back afterwards. Nothing worked for the wusage directory and he has to log in and reconstruct it every time he publishes.

This is in FP2000
Actually before it deletes anything it pops up a window asking do you wish to delete this file because it is not on the users computer but is on the server. I know it's annoying I found a work around where it doesn't search for files on the server thus doesn't prompt to delete the files. I think they just kept clicking yes or clicked yes to all to delete the files found on the server but not on the local machine. That's why they was deleted.

I've run into similar situations. It tends to want to wipe out anything not its own. Associate of mines also run into an interesting problem. His host upped their password requirements, and changed the pw for email, ftp, telnet, etc. Every pw -ecxept- the FP one. so now he can't 'publish' to his site and his host can't get around to fixing it.

I dunno, sometimes I think it gets too easy and some folks stop thinking.

Wheres my Kendo stick? Need to -reboot-em. <G>

So, in order to call yourself a "web designer" your site has to be done using Notepad? Dreamweaver? GoLive? Arachnophilia?

Why would anyone want to hand code a page full of nested tables, using javascript to pull a separate page into every table cell? How long would it take to do that handcoding, or using a basic html editor? An hour, if you're very good? A couple hours, if you're me. Using FrontPage, it would take me maybe 10 minutes.

Don't believe it's a powerful, viable tool? I work for a company with over 30,000 employees. Our intranet is done using FrontPage. Our real-time, web based client reporting makes extensive use of FrontPage.

Yes, due to the fact that a lot of new "web builders" use FrontPage's themes, many of those sites develop a "Microsoft Cookie Cutter" look. But that doesn't diminish the power and usefulness of the tool.

Perfect tool? No, but what is? Right for every situation? No, but what is?

I understand that as a host, working with FrontPage is a pain in the rear. But, it's a tool that's here to stay. Go ahead and turn away FrontPage hosting, or tell us through your attitude that you don't approve of FrontPage. There's a lot of good hosts out there that will accomodate FrontPage hosting. And like it or not, it's just going to get more widely accepted in the future.

Greg

I don't disagree here, but I have seen some site that while yea they look awesome but to the regular user which is going to be about 95% of the people looking out there for information. They are lost confused and quite dumbfounded at all the gizmo going on. Take flash for instance, how many of you goto a site for information only to sit and wait for a flash download or do you click skip intro (I click skip everytime, hell one intro just looped on me so I got pissed and left)??? or you get to the site and spend 5-10 mins looking around for what you want? I mean there is a point to when you need to sit back and say do I want someone to come here and find what they are looking for quickly and easily. Sites now days are starting to remind me of a grocery store who's whole idea to increase sales is to rearrange the whole store so customers have to search for items which means they are looking at more food and thus buy more items. It's a long time sales approach to impulse buying. Something always is changing but that is to increase sales.. I don't see why this needs to be carried onto the internet as not many are trying to sell items by impulse buying.

Now I change my sites every 6 months because they get old after while but still they are easy to use. Easy to move around and damn easy to find what you are looking for and I have had enough comments on how easy it was to finally find something they are looking for. Yet I don't run big fancy pages with so many things going on it spins your mind in circles trying to figure out how to find this or what to click.. I see this as a major problem with my parents who are around their 60's not to mention joe blow who is new to the internet and hasn't a clue. I guess it all comes down to who your targeted audience is

Originally posted by Kaith Sutai-Rustaz
I've run into similar situations. It tends to want to wipe out anything not its own. Associate of mines also run into an interesting problem. His host upped their password requirements, and changed the pw for email, ftp, telnet, etc. Every pw -ecxept- the FP one. so now he can't 'publish' to his site and his host can't get around to fixing it.


Well the idea of it was to Mirror what's on the local computer. Even if it is it's own FP made files it will delete those also.

Example.

Start FP and instead of loading your site locally, Load it off the website directly and then create a file with FP and save it. then close FP. Then open it again and open the local web off your computer and make a change to something and then publish the site. It will find that FP page on the web that isn't in it's local drive and it'll prompt you to delete the file on the server which is it's own FP page but not on the local web.

Ok, sorry, let me clarify a bit.

I think its a decent tool, and has its place. Used properly by a resonably skilled designer you can do some interesting things with it, especially where it hooks into ASP on NT boxes (access databases for example).

I personally think that in order to be a true designer you should have a familarity with HTML at the least because you often have to go 'under the hood' to do a tweak when the drag-n-plop software plops in the wrong spot.

As I said, you can do alot with it. I've seen some sites that rocked done in FP. However, there is a reason why MS doesn't use FP to do their site. Its not the best solution for that problem.

If it works for you, good. They have greatly improved it recently, (97/98 sucked in my opinion) FP2000 does deserve to be listed in the top 3 or 4 WYSIWYG packages.

Just don't take a stock theme, add a few pics, use all MS's work n say your a designer. Those of us who have spent the time and money learning JS, Perl, ASP, PHP, Photoshop, GIMP, Lightwave, 3D Studio, Flash, Etc sometimes take offence. As it was said earlier, the paint-by-numbers kits are great, but there is a reason they don't hang in the Louvue. <G>

On the hosting side, some of us allow it, some don't, some support it heavily, other say 'you break it you pay for the fix, use at own risk'. My preference? MS fix the bloody security probs and code generation and easy-to-breakidness and I'd say it'll be on the list of 'right things'.

Like I said...It is good. Just don't give up sliced bread for it. <G> And anyone who seriously tries to do a full corp. level site using -just- notepad, prob. needs a good LARTing. Prob. with the manual for a good GUI prog. <EG>

<Don't take this too hard, it's been a loooong day, so if I'm coming across a tad 'harsh' its not intentional. Thanks!>

I don't think you're coming across harsh. This is the stuff great discussions are made of!

Greg

Originally posted by Newbie
This is in FP2000
Actually before it deletes anything it pops up a window asking do you wish to delete this file because it is not on the users computer but is on the server. I know it's annoying I found a work around where it doesn't search for files on the server thus doesn't prompt to delete the files. I think they just kept clicking yes or clicked yes to all to delete the files found on the server but not on the local machine. That's why they was deleted.

Wrong, newbie. I was on the phone with him a few times while he was publishing, including one of the times the 5 forums I created for him were wiped out. I asked him to tell me about any message he got on screen. None of them were about deleting files.

The other time the forums disappeared, he didn't even publish. It must have been FP wiping out files in stealth mode, leaving a bit of itself behind to do the dastardly deed from cover. ;-D

Originally posted by humorthem
So, in order to call yourself a "web designer" your site has to be done using Notepad? Dreamweaver? GoLive? Arachnophilia?
Of course not, and as Kaith said, they should know waht goes on under the hood, like what the tags do, how to fix some problems manually, etc.

No one is disputing the fact that FP makes it easy and can accomplish a lot. That ease, however, comes with a price.

Some of us are disputing those who use FP without knowing anything else calling themselves web site designers. It is laughable for those who have made the investment in time, effort and money to learn much more than is built into a program for beginners.

I understand that as a host, working with FrontPage is a pain in the rear. But, it's a tool that's here to stay. .. And like it or not, it's just going to get more widely accepted in the future.
The future is uncertain. A lot of programs and companies that once dominated their market later disappeared. It is not inconceivable that Front Page might end up on the back page, though not anytime soon.

Linux is growing on desktop use and even the future of Windows is not certain.

Things change.

Here's the URL for the Dreamweaver 4 free trial... Can't hurt to try...

http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/trial/

Is dreamweaver 4 as easy to use as frontpage 2000? Almost but not quite. But it does a lot more and gives you the flexibility that FP 2000 doesn't. Not as good as hand coding mind you, but darn nice.

Originally posted by Kaith Sutai-Rustaz
I've run into similar situations. It tends to want to wipe out anything not its own. Associate of mines also run into an interesting problem. His host upped their password requirements, and changed the pw for email, ftp, telnet, etc. Every pw -ecxept- the FP one. so now he can't 'publish' to his site and his host can't get around to fixing it.

I dunno, sometimes I think it gets too easy and some folks stop thinking.

Wheres my Kendo stick? Need to -reboot-em. <G>



He should be able to publish using his old password. FrontPage writes its own security file and stores the password there, so even though the password was changed for everything else he can still publish using the old password.

If that doesn't work, removing the Front Page etensions and reinstalling them generally takes care of it.

I'll recomend the exten. reinstall, but getting support out of this host is a bit of a pain. They are resellers for web2010, and not quite as speedy on getting the support requests in as they should be. Tis part of the reason we pulled our accts away from them.

His problem is he was in his acct so rarely, he forgot his PW, and the host didn't keep a record of it.

I wish there was a Linux/BSD version of Dreamweaver available. Well, that and Lightwave. <G>

Originally posted by Duster
Wrong, newbie. I was on the phone with him a few times while he was publishing, including one of the times the 5 forums I created for him were wiped out. I asked him to tell me about any message he got on screen. None of them were about deleting files.

The other time the forums disappeared, he didn't even publish. It must have been FP wiping out files in stealth mode, leaving a bit of itself behind to do the dastardly deed from cover. ;-D [/B]

I don't want to cause a arguement but FP2000 in my experiance hasn't deleted things with out me knowning about it or caused any problems like you mention..