I was just wondering ...

there seems to be quite a few Singaporeans floating and surfing around this forum..

so for the benefit of all other Singaporeans...

I would appreciate if you could provide a list of the webhost that you are hosted with ...

Hihi Royong,

I am from Singapore too. I am still considering who to host for me, but i been in these WHT for quite sometimes. Maybe you can try to look for freehtml.

Regards,
Marcus.

Hi,

I am also from Singapore :D

Cheers!

Kindest regards,
Choon

Singaporean Fall In !!

:D

I guess there are many more !

I have a private box @ www.d1asia.com in singapore if interested

Hi Roy!
Am a freelancer from Singapore also =)

I'm with www.ecommercediscovery.com , support's excellent so far, am on a custom plan with them.

and was with www.hostrocket.com , was pretty happy there till support became very generic.

I also have a shared site with site5.com, so far so good.

hello...

still haven found a host yet, conclusion might be dim8

hey winnie, andy here remember?

seems like the respond here about ecommercediscovery is not really that well. moreover their site suxs...some links not working. not quite a gd impression to me..

no offence..hehe :stickout

? =) If you do a search they're very well liked here, and so far my site has been pretty good so far, downtime less than hostrocket and even site5. =P

Ohh, and experience tells me a beautiful web site for a webhost doesn't mean that they're good.

would you mind giving some comments on dim8 and mediatemple?

So.. now at last count, we have

royong
marcuslau
choon
raydon
hosticle
xharine
andylwl

7 Singaporeans on WHT ! ! !

Fanastic ... keep it coming... ALL SINGAPOREANS FALL-IN

Hi Royong :)

Nice to know you and regarding my hosts heh...

I have a reseller account at ecommercediscovery.com since last year (Sep 2001 I think as I can't remember). Josh is a nice guy and support is good.

Currently I have two Virtual Dedicated Servers with www.diginode.net and so far no complaint regarding their support responses. I am with www.diginode.net since Feb 2002 or March 2002... sorry, really can't remember that either :blush:

Anyway, if you need to have any further conversation... feel free to contact me... ICQ, AIM or email... your choice and all can be found in my profile :)

Thanks and happy *hanging* here :D

Kindest regards,
Choon

Originally posted by Royong
So.. now at last count, we have

royong
marcuslau
choon
raydon
hosticle
xharine
andylwl

7 Singaporeans on WHT ! ! !

Fanastic ... keep it coming... ALL SINGAPOREANS FALL-IN

Well I am also from Singapore :D

I am now hosting with SurrenderOnline and Cadenet.net on their reseller plan.

And I am satisfied with their performance.

And great to see fellow Singaporean here at WHT

Originally posted by Marcus Lau
Hihi Royong,

I am from Singapore too. I am still considering who to host for me, but i been in these WHT for quite sometimes. Maybe you can try to look for freehtml.

Regards,
Marcus.

Yes I am here :D

well, well, well...

what's the majority age here, huh? I'm 21yrs of old...how 'bout you guys?

I'm 25, currently in NUS

Hi,

Here... 29... :)

Thanks.

Kindest regards,
Choon
P.S. I think we shall let the MOD know about this thread and let the MOD decide whether this thread should be moved to other more appropriate forum just in case we are against the forum rules :D

I am 27 currently working in "I.T" line

I'm 28 - working in a systems and network integrator

Count me in.

31 yrs old and in Software Development.

HI all,

I am 23, presently looking for a job ... haha. Cool to see many fellow singaporeans here.

Cheers!:D

Ok latest count

add
freehtml
eddy2099

we have NINE (9)

Originally posted by Royong
So.. now at last count, we have

royong
marcuslau
choon
raydon
hosticle
xharine
andylwl

7 Singaporeans on WHT ! ! !

Fanastic ... keep it coming... ALL SINGAPOREANS FALL-IN

hi xharine

how long does site5 take to reply for your msg??

Hi !

I am a Singaporean too. 17 here..

Just wondering, how much would average people (Singaporeans) spend on webhosting monthly?

Hey hosticle!

Just found out that you have a private box in D1asia. Just wondering how much did you pay for the dedicated server / co-location fee?

hi, anyone know how do I get to post latest news report on my site and what requirement are there to offer free email for my visitors??

$250SGD per month - unmetered bandwidth - have my own c-class, remote router access

My mate owns a few racks there - i suggest you talk to him - excellent support

jsingh@hotspeed.com.sg

He would do you a good deal

My server is a 2RU colocated - pretty fast from here in Australia

hotspeed?

hmm.. the owner is an indian right? i don't like dealing with them..

but just wondering how is it possible to get a class C for 1 server at S$250/mth?

Yes, he is indian - great bloke

Got the c-class from APNIC and they route it for me

oh.. so you mean you bought through apnic rather than d1?
hmm how much does it costs? and it is kind of hard to request that much ips from APNIC..

We have 16 c-classes

We had 150 IP's from D1, but only keep 2 for backup. We dont need the 150 since getting our request approved by APNIC.

I dont really understand your comment about Indians - but put it like this.

My box crashed on Easter, Japinder fixed it right away

We had a hardware change on his birthday and moved the box from reach to d1 on christmas day.

They are excellent to deal with, and I dont think race has anything to do with it.

Don't get the wrong idea :) I have nothing against the Indians. It is that one of staff, his attitude is totally atrotious when i asked about the dedicated server. That is why i keep a distance from them.

Ahh K

Prolly one of those 'staff members' who have access in one of their IRC channels who think they are uber-leet because they think they know something you dont *ahem*

anyway, well - take my word for it, I have had 0 problems with them, and have been using them for about 12 months.

Changed datacentres twice tho - stupid wing-tai Iadvantage or whatever closed down, then REACH became slow and totally useless (i think they are about to close down) and @ the start of this month we moved to D1 - which has been awesome so far :)

Any one of you running your own web host reselling service ?

please let me know.

forgot to add ... Reach is still slow .... using their ADSL access plan now ! My company's a reseller of their ADSL access plans... and they assure us that they will improve the bandwidth by August... so we shall see !

Word has it that reach are in some serious financial trouble and are selling their colocation facility

hmm anyone co-locate in singtel ix before ?

Hi, you can add me to the Singaporeans that surf WHT

lol.. maybe we should compile a list for it? so that we can communicate easily within our local area?

Also from Singapore
Previously with Hostmatters.com
Now with DixieSys.com
Happy so far

Okie latest score from Singapore...
12 Singaporeans on WHT

royong
marcuslau
choon
raydon
hosticle
xharine
andylwl
freehtml
eddy2099
hostboynerd
sidez
oodie

Another Singaporean, and I was a little worried that I will be the youngest :D Thank goodness I'm not.

I'm with Alwayswebhosting.com Seems like there was a bout of host-bashing recently due to their server outrage, but so far I've been very pleased with their response time and server uptime. I'm one of their earlier clients, so I'm on 2nd server, which thankfully is problem free so far ;)

And... Just out of curiousity, I'm not the only female, am I? :confused:

How old are you actually avium? I'm with Cyberpixels.com
No plans of leaving them.

Registered myself a minute ago just to be counted in your thread. I run www.JOBS.com.sg (http://www.jobs.com.sg) and host it on Arkwebs (http://www.arkwebs.com). They have a dedicated server at Rackshack. I started out with LGA in Singapore but switched a couple of months ago.

I am ~ahem~ 37 years of age, taking a year off from work to think about meaning of life etc etc etc.

Hi doorkeeper ! maybe you can tell us your experience why did you moved away from lga? care to share the experience ?

Count me in!
I'm using Myacen coz I have a small site.

Originally posted by avium


And... Just out of curiousity, I'm not the only female, am I? :confused:

Nope, you're not! ;)

Originally posted by hostboynerd
Hi doorkeeper ! maybe you can tell us your experience why did you moved away from lga? care to share the experience ?

LGA was okay years ago. But their prices have not dropped along with the market. No CGI despite paying SGD$35 or each month. But I put up with it until they shut down my sites for a week after miscommunications with their billing department over late payments. I was getting close to 10,000 hits daily and that week the site lost a lot of credibility.

On hindsight, it was a very good decision because I now get MySQL and many many more features for a fraction of what I paid LGA.

I am not from singapore. :D

hmm.. maybe you want to try out www.webvisions.com ? they provide webhosting for corporate level..

Whoa.... we talking about LGA now...
HeHe... my company's a reseller for LGA - started with them since their days at Outram Park - then they were only a small outfit - now they have grown and I think they have 2 server farms - 1 at Kaki Bukit and 1 at Science Park

As for their pricing, yes I agree that they have not changed or lowered their pricing on web hosting - very steep as compared to what we could get with the some of the web hosts here.

My site allinternetttips.com is hosted with them - I wil be moving out once my annual contract expires - too expensive to stay on and get this - you pay extra for MySQL - Per MB of usage.

My 2cents about webvisions - I seriously considered them but ever since I helped one of my customers place and setup a Windows box at their Science Park data centre - I have doubts on their tech support - unlike what you can get from the web hosts that frequent WHT !

Not to blast or bash them - but search around this forum - you should get some very "INTERESTING" comments -

Hi,

I'm not singapore people but i am also using whm.
I'm indonesian !

Does anyone on singapore knows where i can find billing script for integrated with whm or not ?

I prefer free script :D

Regards,
gotcha-inc.com

Hey! Talking about script, damn it, where can I find good script? I personally need a script for visitors to register, then cookies are sent and next time they visit my site again will not be at the same page where they register. Any recommendations? Sorry, feeling frustrated never slp whole night finding for good scripts....:o Just be more specific, damn it = whole night never slp in search for good scripts...heh

Originally posted by tomoyo
Count me in!
I'm using Myacen coz I have a small site.



Nope, you're not! ;)

Am also female, 21, freelance designer....=)

I was thinking of getting a few Singaporeans to share a dedicated Rackshack server, but they might not be very stable. Anyways anyone interested in sharing one dedicated?

why not share the cost of dedicated server and co-locate it cheaply in singapore ?;)

Originally posted by hostboynerd
why not share the cost of dedicated server and co-locate it cheaply in singapore ?;)

count me in Baby !

Hey ... cool idea ... I second that or ... Mmm...
third that !!!

Hi Guys,
I'm also from Singapore.
Why not share a server host in starhub?
Heard its not that expensive!:)

Do count me in if you all like to buy one:)

Daniel

Originally posted by hostboynerd
why not share the cost of dedicated server and co-locate it cheaply in singapore ?;)

This is a cool idea .... but i have low budget .... maybe i can help in another way or two because at least i can learn something. :)

Hmm, but why colocate in Singapore? It's expensive, and bandwidth is limited.

People might have international visitors, and access may be slow from western countries.

Originally posted by Superdan
Hi Guys,
I'm also from Singapore.
Why not share a server host in starhub?
Heard its not that expensive!:)

Do count me in if you all like to buy one:)

Daniel

Nice idea, economically speaking. Just a word of caution though: Be prepared for someone sharing your server to want to get out of the deal sometime down the road. He or she may want to upgrade, downgrade, or simply give up. So before a replacement new partner is found, your cost for that interim period will go up.

If sharing a dedicated server is not going to give you a lot more than having your own hosting account, well, just keep your eyes open while making the leap.

Originally posted by xharine
Hmm, but why colocate in Singapore? It's expensive, and bandwidth is limited.

People might have international visitors, and access may be slow from western countries.

I agreed with xharine, though it may sound a good idea for me on the physical and technical point of view but with regards to handling international visitors it may be slow.

As for the colocation price and bandwidth, honestly speaking i am not quite sure maybe someone may advise me on that. :)

Thanks,
Marcus.

For me I think pricing at US is more competitive, if we can get a few togather to co-locate a server, it will be great idea

Yeah...

Bandwidth is ALOT cheaper in U.S - hence the cheaper prices

wow ive merely been 'absent' from WHT for a couple of days and whats-brewing :)

Yes! I'm from Singapore - and proud to be! ;)

/me waves to all

Cheers

Hello fellow Sporeans,

Glad to see you guys here as well.

I'm having a hard time choosing a host for my site. I'm just starting up my e-com site so i require something basic.

Top notch customer support would be ideal of couse. Espcially for newbies like me.

What would you guys recommend?

Ok ... hosting as recommended by Singaporeans - in no particular order -

Alwaywebhosting
Site5
Myacen
Cyberpixels
Arkwebs
Ecommercediscovery
Hostrocket
Diginode
Hostmatters

But if you read the other threads, the following names are always mentioned ...

splashhost
voxtreme
site5
mchost

among others.. my guess for a host - its a bit of research here and there about the host ... then LOTS and LOTS of LUCK ! !

Please keep this in mind when you look for a host...
Every business needs to make money somehow. The cheapest isn't always the best !

yup, site 5 might be the choice :)

Thanks for the feed back. Its been a killer trying to find a suitable host. I've actually got my eyes on site5, alwayswebhosting and hostrocket.

Peeps here seem to like them.

Well, got to find one that you can trust, right? No point taking advice from Singaporean alone ;)

You should check out with the others. MChost has been mentioned many times because of their great reputation for people entering the reseller market.

I'll stick to my host for now - everything works fine :D

Hey! Im just an island away.. i'll swim there and count me in. :D

Originally posted by jeffrylee
Hey! Im just an island away.. i'll swim there and count me in. :D

:eek: which island?

:D

Good to see all you guys from Singapore... maybe we can start a community forum for Singaporeans to share experiences about managing a server etc...

Just a thought...

Cheers!

Kindest regards,
Choon

If we really start this who is going to lead? How are the cost share and etc.....haha. Maybe Singapore WebHosting Alliance Association.

Of course i believe that this will benefit of us in the local market which can improve the local webhosting standard.:)

Yeah, for now if somebody needs a host, site5 is the host to go.

They've been one of the biggest, and most reliable web hosting companies out there.

Hello! Am also from Singapore...nice to see so many of us around! =)

I recommend Splash Host (http://splashhost.com) --- their servers are fast, and uptime & support are great.

From personal experience, ChatCircuit (http://chatcircuit.net)'s pretty good too.

Originally posted by choon


:eek: which island?

:D

Good to see all you guys from Singapore... maybe we can start a community forum for Singaporeans to share experiences about managing a server etc...

Just a thought...

Cheers!

Kindest regards,
Choon

Hi Choon,

Your signature advertises a hosting service but your website does not show much. I tried both choonhost.com and choonhost.net.

Originally posted by DoorKeeper


Hi Choon,

Your signature advertises a hosting service but your website does not show much. I tried both choonhost.com and choonhost.net.

The choonhost.net site is under construction or re-layout :)

If you need to see my old hosting site, PM me and I will let you know the URL.

Thanks.

Kindest regards,
Choon

I have a few question which i hope you guys can help me out with.

I'm almost done developing my website. And i have trouble choosing the language to do my scripts. In fact i dont have any experience in this aspect at all.

What language should i begin with? I though of JSP but been advised to try PHP due to its user friendliness.

Do i have to write all scripts by myself or are there prewritten ones. For example searches, logins, credit card transactions.

Just out of curiousity, do you guys write your own scripts and what language r u using?

Thanks

Hi Blues,

Try to learn PHP or Perl.

You can find those free or paid script by doing a search in http://www.hotscripts.com

Kindest regards,
Choon

Originally posted by Blues
I have a few question which i hope you guys can help me out with.

I'm almost done developing my website. And i have trouble choosing the language to do my scripts. In fact i dont have any experience in this aspect at all.

What language should i begin with? I though of JSP but been advised to try PHP due to its user friendliness.

Do i have to write all scripts by myself or are there prewritten ones. For example searches, logins, credit card transactions.

Just out of curiousity, do you guys write your own scripts and what language r u using?

Thanks

I, too, am no programmer. I looked at some Perl scripts and some PHP scripts and finally decided PHP was easier than most. Most of the things you need can be downloaded for free and then customised (simply by using a text editor) to suit your site's look and feel. Plenty of tutorial sites out there too to help you along when you get stuck.

Originally posted by DoorKeeper


I, too, am no programmer. I looked at some Perl scripts and some PHP scripts and finally decided PHP was easier than most. Most of the things you need can be downloaded for free and then customised (simply by using a text editor) to suit your site's look and feel. Plenty of tutorial sites out there too to help you along when you get stuck.

Thanks for the tip doorkeeper. i've always been bad in programming and knowing the basics and variables of a language is neccessary for scritping. I guess i got to start somewhere.

Dear Blues,

You may visit here (http://www.pixeljunction.com) there maybe some useful scripts for you to use.

All the best in your website,
Marcus.

I am very interested in forming a Singapore web hosting forum that talks about local singapore web host, as well as many other hosting related issues that might only be locally related.

Some issues might be
1) Getting good suitable merchant account or CC gateway
2) Getting clients and adverstising for ur business in local context
3) Fiinding good web designer
4) Good server co-location..etc

All those who are interested can PM me or ICQ me , I am sure we can work things out.

Originally posted by freehtml
I am very interested in forming a Singapore web hosting forum that talks about local singapore web host, as well as many other hosting related issues that might only be locally related.

Some issues might be
1) Getting good suitable merchant account or CC gateway
2) Getting clients and adverstising for ur business in local context
3) Fiinding good web designer
4) Good server co-location..etc

All those who are interested can PM me or ICQ me , I am sure we can work things out.

Great idea, freehtml. Maybe even going further than that. Forum + listing of SG web hosts + web designer section + etc. A under-one-roofie kind of thingie for web hosting.

If one of you resellers will provide a free account, I can do the donkey work as I have the time.

:beer:

Originally posted by DoorKeeper


Great idea, freehtml. Maybe even going further than that. Forum + listing of SG web hosts + web designer section + etc. A under-one-roofie kind of thingie for web hosting.

If one of you resellers will provide a free account, I can do the donkey work as I have the time.

:beer:

I may be able to do so depending on how much space is needed.

And if we were to make it a success, gerat effort will be needed to start the ball rolling

Ok ... I will provide the space and bandwidth.... it will be a subdomain off megaforums.com - maybe sgweb.megaforums.com or something along that lines ... I will need someone to run and moderator the board - so please PM or email me... any body ?

just thinking of the software to use ? I tried phpbb2 - its easy - any commments if we were to use this for our forum ?

if you guys don't like sgweb.megaforums.com - you can always suggestion something else or would you prefer allwebtips.com ?

I own allwebtips.com but have not developed it. So, if you guys like the domain name, I could let it out...

I suggest a new domain name for the forum, it's only $8.88 from namecheap.com .
Maybe someone suggest a domain name?

These are available:

{conservative}
SGWEBHOSTS.COM
SGWEBMASTERS.COM

{whacky with some local flavour}
WEBCHUKANG.COM
WEBKOPITIAM.COM

Haha... here are a few more for consideration:

sg-isp.com
sgisptalk.com
isptalk.com
sghostingtalk.com
sghosts.com

huh... just type whatever come to my mind :D

Regards,
Choon

Actually this is a very good idea as i have discuss this issue with freehtml when my ex-vB forum and website were hijacked by a local webhosting co because i told them that i am not going to partner with them. During that phase i was left with only the vB licence, if you all are going into it maybe we can come out with something. As i have some experience in maintaining forum such as what sitepoint.com, webhostingtalk.com does for their advertisement, wide range of funny smilies, forum hacks and etc....

Originally posted by Royong
Ok ... I will provide the space and bandwidth.... it will be a subdomain off megaforums.com - maybe sgweb.megaforums.com or something along that lines ... I will need someone to run and moderator the board - so please PM or email me... any body ?

I had expereince in administareing phpBB2 as well as vB forums

I can also moderate the forums if needed.

Will a new domain name be better or like wat Royong suggested, using his sub-domain?

Originally posted by choon
Haha... here are a few more for consideration:

sg-isp.com
sgisptalk.com
isptalk.com
sghostingtalk.com
sghosts.com

huh... just type whatever come to my mind :D

Regards,
Choon

sgwebhosttips.com
sgwebmastertips.com
sghostingtips.com

I'm from SG too.

Out of curiousity, why do you guys wanna start a new forum when we have this one alr?

In any case, do let me know when this is started. Finding a reliable host is such an uphill tasks. It'd be great to exchange experiences.

Originally posted by retrok
I'm from SG too.

Out of curiousity, why do you guys wanna start a new forum when we have this one alr?

In any case, do let me know when this is started. Finding a reliable host is such an uphill tasks. It'd be great to exchange experiences.

Because many thing is localised and may not applies to other country.

Why does Singapore had one H***z***.com when there is so many hardware site??

Hello guys,

i hope i am not to late to declare that i am a Singaporean. :)

In any case, do let me know when this is started. Finding a reliable host is such an uphill tasks. It'd be great to exchange experiences

Well, most of the webhosting providers in singapore are freelancers.

It will be good great to find those who have a office & a support line to call when you need help.

This is just my 5 cents worth of experience and research over the pass 4-5years.

Originally posted by freehtml

Because many thing is localised and may not applies to other country.



Could you please give me more details on this?


Why does Singapore had one H***z***.com when there is so many hardware site??

I personally don't think this is a good comparison. When you deal with computer hardware, you're talking about commodities. The range of different product types and specification is far greater than that of webhosting. There is ample market space for such a setup. (I'm not implying that this site should be a commercial entity to be valid)

Also, I'm not sure about what the site model will be like. In the case of the reference site you pointed out, it is a place for more than just a forum. Whilst it is an essential driver, it is not everything. Content, both original and aggregated, is also available.

Perhaps it be good to have things like accreditation, a managed knowledgebase on choosing a webhost and some other typical content that most sites like this have.

No offense, I'm not trying to run down the idea. Just that I think this is a valid point to think about - what exactly will the site offer. If you just wanna discuss local issues, you can post a similar thread such as this over here. Looking at it, this thread actually garnered quite a bit of attention from otherwise scattered SG visitors.

Lastly, given the fact that many of us are looking to overseas hosting, it's actually a great idea to come here where you get more broad-based opinions on these companies.

My 2cents...

Originally posted by DaRiUs
Hello guys,

i hope i am not to late to declare that i am a Singaporean. :)



Well, most of the webhosting providers in singapore are freelancers.

It will be good great to find those who have a office & a support line to call when you need help.

This is just my 5 cents worth of experience and research over the pass 4-5years.

I had experience with few local webhost and had not tried calling their support line even though I faced problem, what I do is I will email them or iCQ them.

Could you please give me more details on this?

Since many US web host accept crediat card and so, for singaporeans who don't have access to credit cards or debit cards will not be able to pay thru CC or paypal.

But for local host you can pay more easily.



I personally don't think this is a good comparison. When you deal with computer hardware, you're talking about commodities. The range of different product types and specification is far greater than that of webhosting. There is ample market space for such a setup. (I'm not implying that this site should be a commercial entity to be valid)

Also, I'm not sure about what the site model will be like. In the case of the reference site you pointed out, it is a place for more than just a forum. Whilst it is an essential driver, it is not everything. Content, both original and aggregated, is also available.

What you say is true, because when I replied the post, that site comes into my mind.

But price in Singapore is much more varied whereas in US , the price is much more competitive.



Perhaps it be good to have things like accreditation, a managed knowledgebase on choosing a webhost and some other typical content that most sites like this have.

No offense, I'm not trying to run down the idea. Just that I think this is a valid point to think about - what exactly will the site offer. If you just wanna discuss local issues, you can post a similar thread such as this over here. Looking at it, this thread actually garnered quite a bit of attention from otherwise scattered SG visitors.

Lastly, given the fact that many of us are looking to overseas hosting, it's actually a great idea to come here where you get more broad-based opinions on these companies.

My 2cents...

A managed hosting konwledge base is a good idea also, especially for newbie into choosing host for hosting their site.

I had experience with few local webhost and had not tried calling their support line even though I faced problem, what I do is I will email them or iCQ them.

For me, i cannot to afford to give just email support & icq is totally out of the support issues.

Peace of mind to clients is what i embark on.

Originally posted by freehtml


I had experience with few local webhost and had not tried calling their support line even though I faced problem, what I do is I will email them or iCQ them.

Hmm... dunno abt you guys, but if I saw a hoster providing ICQ as support channel, I'm a little wary. While it's fast, I picture it as a one-man-show outfit. But then again, I might be wrong :)

Normally, my reaction would be to email, even if it's a local company. But if I'm hosting on behalf of a customer, I would prefer a phone access.

Yes , ICQ no doubt is fast, but having a support phone number or handphone is better in a sense that you know who you are dealing with.

Dear everyone,

Its great to see a friendly debate going on here, with my experience regarding about this issue, let me put it this way. Why do everyone wanna go into webhosting industry whereby it is so saturated?

From what my point of view is that many locals irregardless of representative of co., individuals are not educated on the webhosting industry. As you all may know that most of the Singaporeans are conservative especially when coming to asking questions on CC transaction over the internet, hosting overseas, etc.... Many of them always throw themselves problems such as:

What happened if i host overseas and need help or maybe encounter some problems regarding abt billings and etc. Would i be able to contact them or ... etc.

Hosting locally is it better and faster compared to overseas?

Will i be able to get enough support if i host overseas or local?

.
.
.
.

The current issue that i realised in Singapore is that majority local webhosting co. are dishonest, quality of what they promised usually dont really exist, etc .... i believe many of you all agreed to what i mentioned.

Disclaimer: Above mentioned are towards those sub standard local webhosting. I believe many of us in WHT are aware of what are good and quality services needed to provide to our customer. Therefore if you belongs to any of the negative group that i mentioned kindly correct me if i am wrong.

The current issue that i realised in Singapore is that majority local webhosting co. are dishonest, quality of what they promised usually dont really exist, etc .... i believe many of you all agreed to what i mentioned.

Disclaimer: Above mentioned are towards those sub standard local webhosting. I believe many of us in WHT are aware of what are good and quality services needed to provide to our customer. Therefore if you belongs to any of the negative group that i mentioned kindly correct me if i am wrong.

Whoa... that's a strong statement. Maybe I'm lucky. My experience with local hosters has been rather pleasant. Of course, the ones that I've worked with are registered companies. Sadly, they usually charge quite a bit, if you were to compare to overseas hosters. I think most of you will atest to that. I'm aware of some rather "affordable" ones, but I'm inclined to stay away from them since they do not appear to be business entities.

Originally posted by retrok

I'm aware of some rather "affordable" ones, but I'm inclined to stay away from them since they do not appear to be business entities.

Dear Retrok,

With regards to the above quote, this is one of the reasons why local webhosting industry are very difficult to propel to the next level. If the Americans, UKs, Canadians can do that why couldn't them.

Its all in their mind and concept, but we still have to consider on those issues on the Singapore working enviroment.

Regards,
Marcus.

Hey,
Have a Singapore webhosting talk is a great idea!
Then find some moderators,helpers etc. to help out.
I believe buying a top level domain is better than a subdomain.
At least it will be like hardwarezone!

A Singapore Webhosting Talk makes singaporeans feel more at home:)
Able to discuss EVERYTHING in singaporean langauage!
Singlish! hahha...


I believe people in these forums can do this manz!

Just got to come together and discuss:)

I am always ready to help:)

Thanks

Daniel

Originally posted by Marcus Lau


Dear Retrok,

With regards to the above quote, this is one of the reasons why local webhosting industry are very difficult to propel to the next level. If the Americans, UKs, Canadians can do that why couldn't them.

Its all in their mind and concept, but we still have to consider on those issues on the Singapore working enviroment.

Regards,
Marcus.

Well, that's me :) I go for reliability above cost. Especially so if it were for commercial purposes.

Btw, pardon me, what "issues" are you referring to?

Issues - Restriction In Singapore by related authourities, Working Conditions, Lifestyle and etc....haha.:)

Nice talking to you Retrok.

Its nice to see so much interest about setting up a Singapore Webhosting Talk...
How about we get a move on this...
I can get the web space and and bandwidth ready by the weekend...
Will be using PHPBB2 since I do not have Vbulletin..
Anybody willing to help out in this little "project" please PM or email me...
Any suggestions of the forums names and categories or do I just follow the same sections as in WHT ?

With regards to the post in Web Hosting / Reselling in Singapore, here are my 2cents.

In Singapore, the web hosting industry is being dominated by the big boys who boast of having a data centre located at trendy IT places like Kaki Buikit or Science Park. Their main targets are mainly corporate accounts as they believe these will generate more revenue and are less likely to create havoc for their servers.

Now... who serves the rest of the market ?
The people like you and me who wants to host err... maybe a personal site or a personal forum ?
You could go back to these big boys ... but be prepared to pay quite abit. Bandwidth cost in Singapore is relatively expensive as compared to those in U.S or U.K and hence the higher charges charged by SG hosting companies. But the point is, if you are hosting a personal site or something for personal interest .... does it matter if it physically resides on a server in SG or US - in my opinon, this matters little - unlike a corporate account.

The reasons why web hosting / reselling of server space from the U.S has not taken off in Singapore, in my opinon, is because of :-

(a) the SG public do not understand what hosting on a server in US really means
(b) the SG public do not know that the prices that they pay are very high compared to the prices offered in the US maket
(c) the SG public have not seen how and what the US webhosting market can offer
(d) of the small number whom have tried hosting with a local reseller selling space and bandwidth on servers in US - they are treated with bad support and bad attitude - why ? Simply because this local reseller is a part-timer and is there only because of the $$$ ! This damages the industry of web reselling in SG.

Ask yourself, have you seen a big boy SG web hosting company offering SSH, SSL, CPANEL, WHM - dont know about you but I know that the big boys do not offer these services. They consider these as a "Security Threat" to their servers.

Have you actually used the technical support provided by the big boys ? My opinon, they lack quality - I'm NOT a web host technie but some of the questions asked by these technical support people are terrible. They main interest is to provide "friendly customer service" and they are always asking the same standard questions - they give me the impression that they are reading from a pre-deinfed set of questions. This is certainly not what I want. 24 hour tech support - whats the big deal when its like a answering machine !

As a parting shot, in my opinon, the web hosting industry in SG will pick up. We will need to educate the public on why hosting in U.S is better or comparable to hosting in SG. The public needs to see more web hosting / resellers in the market to understand and to learn that all these extra services and GOOD TECHNICAL SUPPORT, even from part-timers, can and DO exist.

Just my thoughts ... for what they are worth...

True indeed, I was skeptical about hosting my site with US web host on the past mainly becasue the servers are oversea and it "might" be difficult to contact the tech support if anything arise.

However ever since I compared the price that I had to pay and the many great features US web host can offer with what I pay for the same price with local host, I begin to realise that I am worrying too much.

Be it oversea or local web host, the support is there, but the price and feature is really another deciding factor that made me change to US web host.

Another point been, with the availablity of my debit card, I am able to purchase online to US web hosting plans and services, instead of having to send in Money Order that get up to 1 month to process the payment.

This is not possible if I don't had access to debit card, so I had to stay put with local host at that time.

If like wat Royang said , the SG public get to realise the features of US web host , we may be able to resell it better and offers competitive price with more features to SG public.

What Sg resellers need to win more market share from the big players:

(a) Form an alliance, eg. Singapore Web Hosting Alliance or whatever and invite membership from resellers who are serious. Impose a set of minimum quality standards in the areas of support and sales. This alliance will then be collectively significant enough to compete with the big boys, deal with SgNIC and IDA.

(b) Someone should set up an Outsourced Web Hosting Support company. Provide Sg telephone support on behalf of resellers who might have a full-time job. This helpdesk will act as first-level support and escalate to reseller if it is something more serious. This business can also consider doing billing for resellers and accept credit card, cash and cheque payments. This will give peace of mind to Sg SMEs and maybe even larger local clients.
(This must be a brick-and-mortar setup with a physical office and fulltime staff).

(c) Allow Web Designers to join the Alliance. They will provide clients to the resellers and give value-added services. Enforce a set of guidelines for web design work contracts and do some arbitration work between clients and web designers.

Wow, that's a thought worth considering :)

Originally posted by DoorKeeper
What Sg resellers need to win more market share from the big players:

Yup .... they have been monopolising the market for quite a long time and provide sub standard service.

(a) Form an alliance, eg. Singapore Web Hosting Alliance or whatever and invite membership from resellers who are serious. Impose a set of minimum quality standards in the areas of support and sales. This alliance will then be collectively significant enough to compete with the big boys, deal with SgNIC and IDA.

This is a great idea, at least many of them are aware of the what are called true quality stuffs. But one thing you all have to consider is the local authourities. Are they willingly to let you jeopardy their income.

(b) Someone should set up an Outsourced Web Hosting Support company. Provide Sg telephone support on behalf of resellers who might have a full-time job. This helpdesk will act as first-level support and escalate to reseller if it is something more serious. This business can also consider doing billing for resellers and accept credit card, cash and cheque payments. This will give peace of mind to Sg SMEs and maybe even larger local clients.
(This must be a brick-and-mortar setup with a physical office and fulltime staff).

This is a great brief layout ... but we got to consider the expenses of the physical office and full time staffs. What are we going to get in return to substain in long run.


(c) Allow Web Designers to join the Alliance. They will provide clients to the resellers and give value-added services. Enforce a set of guidelines for web design work contracts and do some arbitration work between clients and web designers.

Awesome exchange of dealings and cooperation as each professional get to learn more about one another.

Anyway it is really a fantastic idea that Doorkeeper, come on guys keep on coming.

2 thumbs up for Doorkeeper!
Marcus.

what abt reseller that don't have a "office" to registered as their office to RCB?

Originally posted by freehtml
what abt reseller that don't have a "office" to registered as their office to RCB?

Precisely the group of people an Outsourced Support company can help:

(a) let resellers use their office address as registered address when signing with RCB as a Sole Proprietor or Pte Ltd company

(b) let resellers use their office address in domain registrations instead of name server searches revealing an HDB home address

(c) provide a Fax-to-Email service so that resellers need not have another phone line just for a fax machine

(d) provide a SnailMail-to-Email service so that resellers can receive official correspondence through the internet, especially mail from RCB notifications and physical invoices from suppliers

(e) provide a cheque banking service so that cheque payments for all resellers can be banked in by batch (rather than a reseller collecting a cheque from a rented PO box once a week and keep telling the client their cheque has not arrive)

just registered sgwebhostingchat.com and will install phpBB2...maybe we can see what different catergories as well as sub-forums can we offer

Originally posted by DoorKeeper


Precisely the group of people an Outsourced Support company can help:

(a) let resellers use their office address as registered address when signing with RCB as a Sole Proprietor or Pte Ltd company

(b) let resellers use their office address in domain registrations instead of name server searches revealing an HDB home address

(c) provide a Fax-to-Email service so that resellers need not have another phone line just for a fax machine

(d) provide a SnailMail-to-Email service so that resellers can receive official correspondence through the internet, especially mail from RCB notifications and physical invoices from suppliers

(e) provide a cheque banking service so that cheque payments for all resellers can be banked in by batch (rather than a reseller collecting a cheque from a rented PO box once a week and keep telling the client their cheque has not arrive)

This is really a great idea.. but will it be legal?

FreeHTML has taken this wonderful idea a step further...

Lets give him our fullest support !

thank you for all your support, I will need feedback on what we need for the forums catergories.

A logo may also be needed

Hi
We can have the same topics as webhostingtalk.com has.
And of course more than that if it is possible.

Get a group of moderators.

For the logo,
Need to choose colours.
For name,i guess it will "SG Webhosting CHAT"

For services, if you guys serious want to do this,you need to register with RCB.
Unless you are only refering people to merchants.
If you do it yourself,u got to register.
If you need help, can ask me.

And can also get some advertisments.
Find local webhosting companies who like to support this project:)

Then hope this goes big:)

Thanks

Dan

wow, this thread is getting more & more interesting...

guys, any help you need just shout out to me... i will see what i can do..


CHEERS!!!!

I am currently looking for Moderators to moderate the forums and feedback as well

I offered the following thru email but you didn't reply !
(a) my help
(b) my suggestions

My apologies.. FreeHTML has replied and explained his situation.
All is well now...

Working with FreeHTML to spring a surprise for all the SG WHT fans... just keep in touch, we just might have some good news for you !

yes, I had a good discussion with Roy and we had come to terms to some mutal agreements which may be announce later.

From now www.sgwebhostingchat.com will be redirect to our new site at www.sgwebhostingtalk.com

Good to see a discussion forum regarding singapore web hosts but don't you guys think the banners are redirected to a host? Now... think about is any other web hosts from singapore going to join in the discussion or promote or advertise this new forum?

Just my thoughts :D

Thanks.

Kindest regards,
Choon

Choon:
Good point made. It did not hit me as I do not sell web hosting.

freehtml:
What about using that space to exchange a banner with someone else who can give the forum more exposure ? Or lease that space to a non-webhost site ? It will be such as waste if after all your effort, the rest (in a way your competitors) refuse to participate.

Originally posted by choon
Good to see a discussion forum regarding singapore web hosts but don't you guys think the banners are redirected to a host? Now... think about is any other web hosts from singapore going to join in the discussion or promote or advertise this new forum?

Just my thoughts :D

Thanks.

Kindest regards,
Choon

Hi the banner was placed there to see how well will it intergrate into the site. I will remove it and maybe other webhost can contact us regarding placement of their banner in later stage.

Originally posted by freehtml


Hi the banner was placed there to see how well will it intergrate into the site. I will remove it and maybe other webhost can contact us regarding placement of their banner in later stage.

So for the time being you will:

Stick the banner which will still be directed to your hosting site? Nothing wrong with that but if you are other web hosts, do you think they are going to join the forum? This is some sorts like WHT owner is putting a banner to their own hosting site and wait for those interested advertisers to contact WHT owner about the rate of the banner placement... will people in WHT continue to participate in WHT?

I wish you good luck and no offense :D

Regards,
Choon

Originally posted by choon


So for the time being you will:

Stick the banner which will still be directed to your hosting site? Nothing wrong with that but if you are other web hosts, do you think they are going to join the forum? This is some sorts like WHT owner is putting a banner to their own hosting site and wait for those interested advertisers to contact WHT owner about the rate of the banner placement... will people in WHT continue to participate in WHT?

I wish you good luck and no offense :D

Regards,
Choon

I understand what you mean and had already removed my banner, nevertheless I had added you to my ICQ list, maybe we can check online about this.

The situtation is actually this ... FreeHTML was kind enough to provide his hosting facilities... and in his mind, the banner location was orginally supposed to be for a SGWHT logo ... but since the logo hasn't been made, he placed his logo there instead. This is just to provide a more visual impact.

We all now understand that this is not such a good idea and FreeHTML has taken off the banner.

Go check http://sgwebhostingtalk.com now - the top looks bare - so if anyone can come out with a logo, we can then add it to the site.

In the meantime, CALLING ALL SINGAPOREANS, you now have a place of your own, so visit and register today ....

PS - Let me also make it clear that it is not the intention of the new site to provide direct competition with WHT but instead is a gathering location for all Singaporean Web Hosting fans.

Hi Royong and freehtml,

You guys better email WHT moderators about this thread (if you have not) as I think this thread is heading more towards of breaking the forum rules... meaning gathering of members in WHT to join other site forum or promote "your service or site"... I know this thread initially is just members sharing thoughts etc... and ended up as this which is good but need to check whether is this thread still be allowed in this forum or move etc...

I know Chicken is watching this thread :D

Ask for these moderators point of views before any other members in WHT start to "make noice" ;)

Just my thoughts...

Cheers!

Kindest regards,
Choon

I already emailed headsurfer - Mr Marsh more than 30 hours ago with regards to our plans. However, he has not replied my email - basically requested his permission to run SGWHT - coz we do believe in doing things the right way. I am hopeful that he would give us the approval but if this breaks forums rules, I'm truely sorry.

Mod, could you please check with Mr Marsh if he has got my email ? We want to do this the right way ... with official permission and approval etc...

Originally posted by Royong
I already emailed headsurfer - Mr Marsh more than 30 hours ago with regards to our plans. However, he has not replied my email - basically requested his permission to run SGWHT - coz we do believe in doing things the right way. I am hopeful that he would give us the approval but if this breaks forums rules, I'm truely sorry.

Mod, could you please check with Mr Marsh if he has got my email ? We want to do this the right way ... with official permission and approval etc...

I think HS need time to reply but this is a forum... you can ask any moderators by sending an email to one of the moderators then wait for their decision... whichever way is your choice ;)

Just my thoughts :)

Kindest regards,
Choon

ok... I going to look for one of the Mods now ...

Originally posted by Royong
ok... I going to look for one of the Mods now ...

Chicken is a good "MOD CHICKEN" ... lol

Regards,
Choon

done... emailed Moderator - Chicken
I hope he reads his emails...

Still no reply... any suggestions how to get to MODs or Mr Marsh ?

Give them sometime to reply - Chicken gets back to me pretty fast the last time I had a problem. The problem's still on, of course... :stickout

Hey, does anyone have the same WHT problem as me? Whenever I login, I see a different username greeting, such as freehtml and basically the other Singaporean users. I'm betting that this is a Pac net problem, but there's no security issue at all, because clicking on the user profile or posting a message will bring back your own username.

PS: Just a thought on SG WHT - nice layout, but I'll probably be around here more since there's more info around here ;)

I don't see the WHT problem you mentioned.. doesn't happen to me... but then again... I'm NOT ON PACNET !!

PacNet --- the less said, the better.... !

You're right about that. They sent me 2 same bills with different payment dates, and cut off my connection before either one of the dates even hit me!

Needless to say my dad decided to have a good talk with them, and things got settled. Of course, I wish they will put their technical and billing departments in better contact with each other... :rolleyes:

SGWHT - so, have we got the permission yet...?

Chicken replied ....
Chicken replied ...

They got our email ...
They got our email ...

(Mmm.. why am I repeating myself... lack of sleep, i guess)


Anyhow, Chicken replied saying that they got the email and he's pretty sure that Mr Marsh got it as well. So now, its a waiting game. We need Mr Marsh to provide us with a reply.......