Hello,

the domain's Expiration Date was: 14-aug-2006

and it was registered via joker.com initially

it is my family name domain, never had any site on it(zero traffic)
and served as email gateway only.

there was no reason in buying it other then reselling

So instead of leaving this expired domain in domain registry's
deposit for the public registration after the redeemption period,
eNom.com grabbed the domain to their own account!

I want my domain back!!!

what can i do now,
and how much could it cost to return it back to me?

thanks.

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Contact Type Registrant
Organization Name: c/o eNom, Inc. on behalf of eNom, Inc. Customer
First Name: TBD eNom Customer
Last Name: TBD eNom Customer
Address 1: Correspondence can be sent to:
Address 2: c/o eNom, Inc. 2002 156th Avenue NE
City: Bellevue
StateProvince: WA
PostalCode: 98007
Country: US
Phone: +1.4252744500
Fax: +1.4259744795
EmailAddress:



Contact Type Administrative
Organization Name: c/o eNom, Inc. on behalf of eNom, Inc. Customer
First Name: TBD eNom Customer
Last Name: TBD eNom Customer
Address 1: Correspondence can be sent to:
Address 2: c/o eNom, Inc. 2002 156th Avenue NE
City: Bellevue
StateProvince: WA
PostalCode: 98007
Country: US
Phone: +1.4252744500
Fax: +1.4259744795
EmailAddress:



Contact Type Billing
Organization Name: c/o eNom, Inc. on behalf of eNom, Inc. Customer
First Name: TBD eNom Customer
Last Name: TBD eNom Customer
Address 1: Correspondence can be sent to:
Address 2: c/o eNom, Inc. 2002 156th Avenue NE
City: Bellevue
StateProvince: WA
PostalCode: 98007
Country: US
Phone: +1.4252744500
Fax: +1.4259744795
EmailAddress:



Contact Type Technical
Organization Name: c/o eNom, Inc. on behalf of eNom, Inc. Customer
First Name: TBD eNom Customer
Last Name: TBD eNom Customer
Address 1: Correspondence can be sent to:
Address 2: c/o eNom, Inc. 2002 156th Avenue NE
City: Bellevue
StateProvince: WA
PostalCode: 98007
Country: US
Phone: +1.4252744500
Fax: +1.4259744795
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Well you didn't renew did you? You can't blame Enom then.

You can try contacting Enom to get it back. But it's rightfully theirs.

whats the purpose of your reply other than screening your hosting service once more? :spam:

whats the purpose of your reply other than screening your hosting service once more?

1. It is NOT eNom, but customer of theirs, only.
2. The fault was yours and only yours.
3. If you'll keep injuring people trying to point out WHY this happened, please find another place for this.

I think you've lost it unless you are willing to pay big $$ to get it back.
Did you miss the emails about the pending expiry? August 14 is over 2 months ago. How long was it in redemption?
If you were intending to buy it after the redemption period you would have had a lot of competition on the drop date and slim odds of getting it back. Family names are popular and there aren't many left.

You might like to contact eNom and ask them what options are available to
transfer/buy the domain from them, they own it.
I'm sure if you had a 'good reason' for letting it slip (hospitalisation or something) they would try to help, but do bear in mind they are running a business.
You could alway reg. a 'similar name', maybe something like:
surname.info or surnameonline.com ?
Hope you get something sorted.

check enom's auction service, see if it's there.

It typically goes into their auction service (a lot of registrar now do this). For a family name, it probably doesn't have much value to anyone else so you'll likely be able to pick it up for $50-$100 (happened to one of our low-value domains as well). They would not give it back to you any other way, at least in my experience. In the future you may wish to have the domain auto-renew / keep a credit card on file with the big registrar that you may utilize.

Maybe your brother played a sick joke on you :D

thanks a lot for your replies guys

yes, i hope to grab it back from auction since no one should have any interest in it except me.

hope the price would be under $200

i want to point once more: there was no site on this domain, thus it was grabbed surely under the purpose of reselling.

the only way to find it existance is through the full domains database. So enom acts as 100% cybersquatter here(hope everybody would agree on this ie DB serves a little diff purpose).

if i'll fail to get it back for moderate value, a enom-scum.org domain will be setup by me for sure to fight back and for my personal pleasure.

Why did you let it expire?

Isn't that address eNom's privacy address? That would suggest that somebody else picked up your domain, not eNom themselves. Although it wouldn't surprise me, I don't think eNom participate in other competitor's auctions and as far as I know, they don't provide a drop-catching service, and so it would be my guess that a 3rd party picked-up the domain, transferred it to eNom and put eNom's whois privacy on it.

Isn't that address eNom's privacy address? That would suggest that somebody else picked up your domain, not eNom themselves. Although it wouldn't surprise me, I don't think eNom participate in other competitor's auctions and as far as I know, they don't provide a drop-catching service, and so it would be my guess that a 3rd party picked-up the domain, transferred it to eNom and put eNom's whois privacy on it.

Like I've wrote few posts above. Enom has nothing to do with this domain, except of being the registrar of record.

Precisely correct. we are in agreement again, Stan. I just thought I'd put in in more words than you :)

Some things the OP gave don't seem to jibe:

1. Domain's supposed expiration date is August 14, 2006.

2. OP gave domain's contact details as enom's.

3. OP said it was registered with Joker.com initially.

But no status lines, no current dates, etc. While providing the domain name isn't
always necessary, it might help so someone can possibly do a WHOIS history
check for any changes.

if i'll fail to get it back for moderate value, a enom-scum.org domain will be setup by me for sure to fight back and for my personal pleasure.

And it might be enom's personal pleasure to make an example of you, too, if you
aren't ready to back up your claims. I'd be careful and pick my battles wisely.

I no not want to post the domain name for obvious reasons

here:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.japan/browse_thread/thread/b799233198744b32/95094a5137287182?lnk=st&q=enom&rnum=6#95094a5137287182

the person had its domain grabbed by enom too (http://malaysiaproduct.com)

the whois data and root page matches mine.

I do not care whether is it enom itself or its affiliated donkey but the domain name was found via DB, ie enom illigaly accessed DB or shared access since its a unique family name.. don't u understand...

You let the domain expire... you then waited past the redemption period...

Someone else took it...

So is your frustration that it seems to you that the domain was taken by eNom? (which I think is incorrect anyways.) Or that it was taken by someone else who is now making a profit off of it?

I still think you're misunderstanding that eNom doesn't necessarily have anything to do with this other then being the registrar. Anyone could have registered the domain and put DomainProtect/WhoisGuard on the domain.

No different from in the malaysiaproduct.com case. You both just screwed up assuming that nobody wanted your domain. It's still entirely your fault you let it expire.

Axel
Please accept some responsabiliity for the loss of this domain, you let it slip, for whatever reason.
I have to defend eNom, they are prob......... one of the most professional
domain reg. companies on the net.

here:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.c...094a5137287182
starts off with 30 - 45 day confliict / confussion.
you seem to be 60 days, so really is no comparison with your situation.

how is this a unique family name ?,
even The Queen of England shares both her first (Christian) & Surname
with Many Others. I even went to school with (an) Elizabeth Taylor.

You should understand that this domain has been reg. Through eNom (or one of there resellers. FOR an individual. The Individual is the one who has found out (by whatever means) that the name was available.

I hope you get the name back, but I also hope yo will stop knocking eNom, they do not deserve it.

welcome to the world of "life isn't fair"..

domain registrars like enom (and some of the really shady outfits) register expired domains for virtually nothing.. and since it costs them almost nothing, they snag domains by the bazillions for "expired domain sales" and auctions... if they sell one of a hundred or a thousand, they still turn a profit...

the worst of the bunch just take them for a little while (days?), then release them back if they have no interest at all, and they get their money back (so it cost them ZERO to do)... if you would happen to express any interest, but not take the bait, they'll just hang on to the bloody thing just to tick you off.

the only way to beat them is to:

a) make sure you keep your registration PAID...
b) use a reputable registrar that won't try to hijack your name the day of expiry or something, or gives you grief on transfers...
c) don't get tied into a "free domain with hosting" plan because some of those guys will charge you through the nose to get your name if you want to switch & take the name with you (if they let you take it at all).

I do not care whether is it enom itself or its affiliated donkey but the domain name was found via DB, ie enom illigaly accessed DB or shared access since its a unique family name.. don't u understand...

Oh believe me, I do. I just try to take things with a grain of salt and verify it through
other means with whatever data I've got.

I can explain a few more things about how and why things turn out this or that way
in the domain name business. But krazykermit's post says it all, especially the first
opening line.

While we can complain what's not fair and what have you, we realistically try to
make do with what we got. You don't have to accept it, of course, but get real.

You can blame enom all you want for them taking the domain name. But you ought
to take responsibility for not renewing it timely because that's where problems had
begun.

Believe what you want. If you're going to tell people about it, I hope you'll at least
be honest enough to reveal you let the domain name lapse in the first place.

Nowadays, we have to take responsibility for our actions and do what we can to
prevent problems like these from occurring. But that's just me.

What' all the fuss about? There wasn' any site on it! you're lucky, just go and register a similar family name, which will be cheaper, just use auto renewal feature.

I no not want to post the domain name for obvious reasons

here:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.japan/browse_thread/thread/b799233198744b32/95094a5137287182?lnk=st&q=enom&rnum=6#95094a5137287182

the person had its domain grabbed by enom too (http://malaysiaproduct.com)

the whois data and root page matches mine.

I do not care whether is it enom itself or its affiliated donkey but the domain name was found via DB, ie enom illigaly accessed DB or shared access since its a unique family name.. don't u understand...

first of all it's not illegal to access any databases containing registered domains. They're supposed to be accessable, and they have to thats how it works (how companies are able to check if your domain is taken or not)

the world is a big place im sure your family's name could have of some meaning to someone somewhere. They may not of even had the intention to 'steal' it or knew that they were. it's quite possible that they wanted the domain. saw that it was open (since you let it expire) and bought it. cost em 8 or 9 bucks

I used to work in used book store. One person would come in regularly, browse and not buy anything.
One day he asked "Where's that book I was reading?"
"We sold it."
"But...but..I was going to buy it."

Don't assume no one else wants that book or that domain. If you want it then buy it or renew it. It won't be there tomorrow.

I used to work in used book store. One person would come in regularly, browse and not buy anything.
One day he asked "Where's that book I was reading?"
"We sold it."
"But...but..I was going to buy it."

Don't assume no one else wants that book or that domain. If you want it then buy it or renew it. It won't be there tomorrow.

This is a very good '(BUSINESS)Life Lesson'
NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING

welcome to the world of "life isn't fair"..

domain registrars like enom (and some of the really shady outfits) register expired domains for virtually nothing.. and since it costs them almost nothing, they snag domains by the bazillions for "expired domain sales" and auctions... if they sell one of a hundred or a thousand, they still turn a profit...

the worst of the bunch just take them for a little while (days?), then release them back if they have no interest at all, and they get their money back (so it cost them ZERO to do)... if you would happen to express any interest, but not take the bait, they'll just hang on to the bloody thing just to tick you off.

the only way to beat them is to:

a) make sure you keep your registration PAID...
b) use a reputable registrar that won't try to hijack your name the day of expiry or something, or gives you grief on transfers...
c) don't get tied into a "free domain with hosting" plan because some of those guys will charge you through the nose to get your name if you want to switch & take the name with you (if they let you take it at all).

enom has been picking up the pace of screwing over their customers.

I'm not convinced Axel needed any help.

Check out lali-comerc dot com. And then tell me that this is not systematic robbery of Enom.

I'm dumb tonight. But uh...what happened?

Check out lali-comerc dot com. And then tell me that this is not systematic robbery of Enom.

Gorky, if you think this is the good reason to bump 1-year old thread, it's up to you. However, you should have done your homework. This is the quote from eNom's Registration Agreement. Please read and at least try to understand:

AFTER EXPIRATION OF THE TERM OF A DOMAIN NAME REGISTRATION: Immediately after the expiration of the term of domain name registration services and before deletion of the domain name in the applicable registry's database, you acknowledge that we may direct the domain name to name-servers and IP address(es) designated by us, including, without limitation, to no IP address or to IP address(es) which host a parking page or a commercial search engine that may display advertisements, and you acknowledge that we may either leave your WHOIS information intact or that we may change the contact information in the WHOIS output for the expired domain name so that you are no longer the listed registrant of the expired domain name.

Reactivation Period Process. For a period of approximately 30 days after expiration of the term of domain name registration services, you acknowledge that we may provide a procedure by which expired domain name registration services may be renewed. You acknowledge and agree that we may, but are not obligated to, offer this process, called the "reactivation period." You acknowledge that you assume all risks and all consequences if you wait until close to or after the expiration of the original term of domain name registration services to attempt to renew the domain name registration services. You acknowledge that we, for any reason and in our sole discretion, may choose not to offer a reactivation period and that we shall not be liable therefore. You acknowledge that reactivation period renewal processes, if any, may involve additional fees which we and your Primary Service Provider may determine. You acknowledge and agree that we may make expired domain name services(s) available to third parties, that we may auction off the rights to expired domain name services (the auction beginning close to the end or after the end of the reactivation period), and/or that expired domain name registration services may be re-registered to any party at any time.

After the reactivation period, you agree that we may either (i) discontinue the domain name registration services at any time thereafter, (ii) that we may pay the registry's registration fee or otherwise provide for the registration services to be continued, or, (iii) if we auctioned the domain name services to a third party, that we may transfer the domain name registration services to such third party.

In the case of (i), above, you acknowledge that certain registry administrators may provide procedures by which discontinued domain name registration services may nonetheless be renewed. You acknowledge and agree that we may, but are not obligated to, participate in this process, typically called the "Redemption Grace Period" ("RGP"). You acknowledge that we, for any reason and in our sole discretion, may choose not to participate in the RGP process with respect to any or all of your domain name registration services and that we shall not be liable therefore. If available, RGP typically ends between 30 and 42 days after the end of the reactivation period of the domain name services, as the reactivation period applied to you. The typical RGP fee is $160 plus any registration fees. You agree that we are not obliged to contact you to alert you that the domain name registration services are being discontinued.

In the case of (ii), above, you acknowledge that we may then set the name-servers and the DNS settings for the domain name services, that we set the DNS to point to no IP address or to IP address(es) which host parking page(s) or a commercial search engine that may display paid advertisements, and you acknowledge that we may change the contact information in the WHOIS output for the expired domain name so that you are no longer the listed registrant of the expired domain name. You acknowledge that we do not have to pay you any of the proceeds, if any, we may earn as a result. You agree that we are not obliged to contact you to alert you that the domain name registration services are being continued. In this case, the domain name will be designated as being in the extended redemption grace period ("ERGP"), and you will be allowed to assume, during the first 120 days of the then extant registration term, complete management of the domain name services, including the right to control the DNS settings, provided that you pay a fee of $160 (US dollars) plus any registration fees. After the end of the 120-day period, if you do not exercise your rights under this provision, you agree that you have abandoned the domain name services, and relinquish all rights and use of the domain name services.

In the case of (iii), above, the third party who won the auction for the domain name services will control the domain name services, including control over the WHOIS information and the DNS settings. You may recover the domain name registration services for a period of up to 42 days after the end of the reactivation period, as such reactivation period applied to you. You agree that we are not obliged to contact you to alert you that the domain name registration services are or were auctioned. You acknowledge that we do not have to pay you any of the proceeds, if any, we may earn as a result of such an auction. To exercise your rights to recover auctioned domain name services, you must contact us and provide us with a certified letter addressed to "Expiration Recovery" and including documents setting forth your identity and address, which identity and address must be the same as that of the registrant as it was listed in the WHOIS information for the domain name services prior to expiration, a copy of a commonly accepted (in the United States) picture ID (such as a drivers license or passport) which supports your identity and address claim, a front and back photocopy of your credit card and you must a statement authorizing payment of the reinstatement fee to such credit card, which is $160 plus any registration fees. In doing so, you must provide us with sufficient time to allow us to receive and evaluate your documents and to contact the auction winner prior to the end of 30 days after the end of the reactivation period of the domain name services.

I also had one domain i forgot to renew. It was registered in Enom and I tried to renew within its grace period, but Enom won't let me and they already owned it.

What part of their ToS which Stan posted don't you understand?