Just wondering if it's me or them?

Them I think. I'm having the same problem.

same for me...

It's back but I would like an explanation :bawling:

4 minutes of downtime? Well, not bad ... probably they have a router reboot or something. But yes, since they offer 100% uptime guraranteed on SLA, you can ask them to explain why they are down, if the downtime is nothing scheduled :)

regards,
-dave

Originally posted by FHDave
4 minutes of downtime? Well, not bad ... probably they have a router reboot or something. But yes, since they offer 100% uptime guraranteed on SLA, you can ask them to explain why they are down, if the downtime is nothing scheduled :)

regards,
-dave

Actually it was longer, was trying to double check with a few people on icq then posted to webhosting talk maybe 10minutes, it wasn't scheduled that's why I wan't an explanation.

My monitoring recorded just over 19 minutes of downtime at DV2.

My monitoring recorded just over 19 minutes of downtime at DV2.

Any good monitoring services to recommend? I have one now but it didn't catch a downtime I had recently. I guess using a few of them would increase my chances of getting a full report.

Thanks

Actually it seems that's another one

one of mine is down for the second time today, and it's annoying they do not know what is going on (eservers)

It was not planned - in that we did not recieve notification, so Indeed I think we are covered by their SLA, unless there is another reason..

Edit: My other server is fine, looks like a router or switch problem

anyone know how long it's going to take? geez. it's my 1st day using this server.

Network is usually great, and they sorted this problem ASAP..
Mine is back to normal.

Down once again.

Originally posted by prime


Any good monitoring services to recommend? I have one now but it didn't catch a downtime I had recently. I guess using a few of them would increase my chances of getting a full report.


We have been using http://www.alertra.com for the last couple of months and have found them to be fantastic, very configurable.

We were taking a nasty DoS attack with a reverse ARP flood to one of our client servers - should be back now - I think we have them taken care of - will watch it closely.

Little Bas%#@$s - I hope they go to jail one day. :)

I still don't understand why they have their network set-up as it is.

There doesn't seem to be much redundency in this DV2 network ..

Well it depends what redundancy you mean.
People including me buy the servers knowing they only have one network card connected to one switch. If that switch goes down or is knocked out of action by a DoS how do you expect redundancy to work? What redundancy do you mean..?
They have multihomed connections and BGP4 to find fastest route.. and if one providor is knocked out then it will use a different providor.. seems redundant. Also, the problem was not the full datacenter but just a section as my other server was fine, just not the one on the same switch / section as the server which was undergoing a DoS attack. Fairs fair, if they or one of their boxes are under attack, it takes time to sort it.

I might not be an expert, but even if you have all the redundancy and all the bandwith capacity, shouldn't a DOS attack still take all the bandwith one may have?

regards,
-dave

I dont see why people are whining. DoS's happen, theres nothing within reason sailor can do. If the BGP4 routing is done correctly, well guess what, when the packet kiddies kill one link, it's gonna start coming in all the others till its dead. A 19 minute DDoS isn't too shabby at all, if you've ever tried to stop a DDoS, you'll know its like having a wooden door, and trying to hold off a river from getting past you, it's just not possible without a lil bit of help (a few bulldozers come to mind? :D). DDoS's and DoS's are something that no provider can stop, i'd hate for it to happen to us and have a nasty set of comments in the thread, so i'll say this in the defense of dv2, DDoS's are beyond their control, beyond everyones, just remember that :).

Correct, doesnt matter what you have setup, if your getting DOSS'ed it is going to affect the network, every datacenter takes precautions to prevent such a situation, i.e. not allowing IRC servers etc..

Seems like more and more hosts like to take the oppurtunity to bash other hosts.

Sorry, I did not mean to bash you as another host - I merely stated I did not fully understand why your network is setup as it is.
From my understanding, you have 3 routers each with their own section of the network as opposed to a pair of redundant routers that serve the whole network? I suppose this means that not all of your eggs are in one basket, so to speak, but I would have presumed that 2 core routers would still be the way to go?

Anyway, regarding DoS / DDoS attacks, agreed, script kiddies should be locked away for a long time ;)

Originally posted by voxtreme-matt
Sorry, I did not mean to bash you as another host - I merely stated I did not fully understand why your network is setup as it is.
From my understanding, you have 3 routers each with their own section of the network as opposed to a pair of redundant routers that serve the whole network? I suppose this means that not all of your eggs are in one basket, so to speak, but I would have presumed that 2 core routers would still be the way to go?

Anyway, regarding DoS / DDoS attacks, agreed, script kiddies should be locked away for a long time ;)

Our network has been changed and we use 2 core routers, with redundant level3 switches.

No-one is "bashing" .. just asking questions

Good work DV2.... hardly noticed a thing.

What's the diference between dv2/tranxact/eservers?

Thanks.

Originally posted by unwaw
What's the diference between dv2/tranxact/eservers?

Thanks.

tranxact is dv2 and eservers are partners of tranxact.

Originally posted by Haze


tranxact is dv2 and eservers are partners of tranxact.

Who should I order from then?

Regards.

It's all great that you can charge people and have them locked up for a DDoS now with uniform terrorism laws which has seemed to have been introduced into civilised society around the world, but....

It's impossible to prove who does the bloody things!

A bunch of rooted boxes all working together, hand-in-hand, no logging - attacking your network.

Sure, you may get forewarning from one of these people, but it makes no difference! "Hi, I want to charge Joe Blow for attacking my network!" - "Thats a federal offence, please hold on" - "Hi, our terrorism guys are overseas atm, can I help you?" - "Yeah, someone is attacking our network, and I know their IP address and have logs for it" - "Sorry, we wont be able to look into it for a few months"

There are a million things you can do to prevent attacks, but no matter how filtered your network is, you will still be vulnerable.

Your lines will still get saturated, even if all packets are ignored!

Life is a bitch - and packet kiddies need to be kneecapped. Just too bad they are generally under the age of 16 :(

Originally posted by unwaw


Who should I order from then?

Regards.
Firstly, that questions should be in a thread of its own. Secondly, now that I have that off my chest, we have 2 servers with eservers and I would highly recomend them.

eservers.biz - I don't think shazad ever sleeps..... sales / support is just fabulous!!

eservers.biz - I don't think shazad ever sleeps..... sales / support is just fabulous!!



So true.... :)

Doesn't look like they are out of the mud yet, I keep getting disconected from my server.

just went down again.. :(

up and down up and down

the lack of communication from dv2 and eservers doesn't help the situation.

Rackshack does a better job of informing their customers of network issues!

Just glad my box isn't used for customers....YET

We already know dv2 is being dos'd - Why do we need to be told the same thing over and over - It isn't their fault and I'd rather they worked on stemming the tide till the dos attacks stop, than posting onto forums or answering email over an over etc..... my 2 cents..

their own forum should be on another network and/or backup email servers.

What about the customers who dont go on WHT?

Originally posted by hosticle
up and down up and down

the lack of communication from dv2 and eservers doesn't help the situation.

Rackshack does a better job of informing their customers of network issues!

Just glad my box isn't used for customers....YET

They've told you what's going on. What more do you expect? They are doing everything they can. Believe me, they aren't creating this problem just to make all our lives miserable. They are much happier when they don't have us yelling at them about downtime.

Never had a server at rackshack, myself, but what I've heard is the exact opposite of what you just said.

I don't get this kind of post. What exactly do you aim to accomplish with it?

Originally posted by hosticle
their own forum should be on another network and/or backup email servers.

What about the customers who dont go on WHT?

How do you know who doesn't know about the dos attacks?

The network has not been down all day, just for short periods..... Just sit tight till its' finished.. you have obviously never been hosted with certain providers who get dos'd a lot more than dv2.

It hasn't been the entire network either, cuz I've been working with my box all day without a problem. :)

eh, sorry to sound like a bitch

I thought it might be a good suggestion that they have certain things hosted off their own network since they have no support telephone numbers

Just constructive criticism

I have had a good experience with them so far, just my experience with rackshack has been better - with respect to network

I know they are trying hard to give it ago, and im not trying to shoot them down or anything like that - like I said, just constructive criticism

hehe,

their own forum should be on another network and/or backup email servers

I can just see the post now - "eservers.biz hosts their site at Burst" lol

I think we all get a bit tetchy when things go offline, nothing you can do but sit and wait... as damning as it is.

wholesalecolo.com is hosted @ rackshack - we got over it pretty quickly :P

Well I guess you got a point.... :)

I have 2 servers with eServers.biz and noticed no downtime from the UK - none of my monitors went off - and I use 3 or 4 different ones :)

James

only parts of the DV2 data center I never saw a blip on any of my sites. We were up all day.

Monte

And down again Up down Up Down :(

Originally posted by Myacen
And down again Up down Up Down :(

Yep. We waited 2 weeks for our server and now this. Must be my luck.. sorry guys :(

Yeh Beau, I will blame it on you! :D, so you finally got it Hooray!

mygoodgraciousme, here we go..:bawling:

Originally posted by Myacen
Yeh Beau, I will blame it on you! :D, so you finally got it Hooray!
Yeah, my wife complains that I spend more time with my new server than I do her. I just tell her I know where my priorities are.

Anywho, dv2 is probably hard at work, and I have had nothing but excellent communication with them so far. Im loving my new home. Heres to getting this DoS cleared up quickly! :beer:

Originally posted by Haze

Yeah, my wife complains that I spend more time with my new server than I do her. I just tell her I know where my priorities are.



Hehee,

I spend more time with my OLD server than I do my wife lol...... I hope she doesn't divorce me one day........ :D

Originally posted by hosticle
eh, sorry to sound like a bitch

I thought it might be a good suggestion that they have certain things hosted off their own network since they have no support telephone numbers

Just constructive criticism

I have had a good experience with them so far, just my experience with rackshack has been better - with respect to network

I know they are trying hard to give it ago, and im not trying to shoot them down or anything like that - like I said, just constructive criticism

They've got phone numbers. (really!) There's a number for the facility on the 'about us' page at tranxactglobal.com. They're there in other places to. They just make you dig. I don't think they do that out of dishonesty, it's because they never get around to updating their sites. :)

Originally posted by Dotcomsnz


Hehee,

I spend more time with my OLD server than I do my wife lol...... I hope she doesn't divorce me one day........ :D

LOL. :laugh: I get often get slammed by my gf for not spending much time with her and I often think what the heck I will do when I will get married, what I will tell my wife. :confused:

I think you married guys out there are doing great job ;)

I spend more time with my OLD server than I do my wife lol...... I hope she doesn't divorce me one day........

I hope we dont see a thread in the lounge that says

"My wife just divorced me and all I got was this crappy OLD server!"

I hope we dont see a thread in the lounge that says

"My wife just divorced me and all I got was this crappy OLD server!"


As long as it's a half decent machine life would still be worth living lol :)

PS... Dont' tell the wife I said that will you Aussie Bob :)

Im looking for a girlfriend, i can provide a Rackshack Server :D

Originally posted by dominet
Im looking for a girlfriend, i can provide a Rackshack Server :D

hehe,

You sure you could afford her? She'd cost much more than $99 per month - mind you, I've already paid the $250,000.00 set-up costs :)

(Hope she doesn't find my bookmarks when she goes on the net next time lol)

i prefer servers.....if you get girls in bulk you wont save anyway...:D

Gonna stop posting now cos I don't like seeing this thread at the top of the forum and well, we have got miles off track.........

Last one for Mahinder... this tickled me....

LOL. I get often get slammed by my gf for not spending much time with her and I often think what the heck I will do when I will get married, what I will tell my wife.

I think you married guys out there are doing great job

Don't worry Mahinder, you will know when you become a liar, decietful, dishonest person....... your wife will tell you......... lol

That's it ....... no more posts

With all the posts we see of hosts taking shots at their competitors, it was nice to see your post in this thread. DOS attacks are a part of the hosting world and will absolutely find every host and every data center at one time or another. We all need to work together for better solutions and protection. Meanwhile, every time I see a host down for that reason, I feel for them. Because, I, like Porcupine, know all too well that it could have been me. If you look back through all the most favored providers on this site, you will find they all have encountered problems such as these at one time or another.

Originally posted by Incognito
With all the posts we see of hosts taking shots at their competitors, it was nice to see your post in this thread. DOS attacks are a part of the hosting world and will absolutely find every host and every data center at one time or another. We all need to work together for better solutions and protection. Meanwhile, every time I see a host down for that reason, I feel for them. Because, I, like Porcupine, know all too well that it could have been me. If you look back through all the most favored providers on this site, you will find they all have encountered problems such as these at one time or another.

:blush: I take shots at hosts all the time, when the time is appropriate and when my comments are reasonable. I believe in fairness, and its hardly fair for anyone to take a shot at dv2 when its a circumstance that comes without warning, is unavoidable, and is completely out of their control. That, and if we ever get DoS'ed, i'd expect people to treat me the same, i wouldn't want to hear how unreliable our service was if that happened once, considering its something nobody can realistically prevent, control, or anything :).

Originally posted by porcupine


I take shots at hosts all the time, when the time is appropriate and when my comments are reasonable. I believe in fairness, and its hardly fair for anyone to take a shot at dv2 when its a circumstance that comes without warning, is unavoidable, and is completely out of their control. That, and if we ever get DoS'ed, i'd expect people to treat me the same, i wouldn't want to hear how unreliable our service was if that happened once, considering its something nobody can realistically prevent, control, or anything :).

I totally agree.

I would like to add that in the long term, unfair behaviours are bad for "shoters" interests' and for the whole webhosting sector which I think is big enough for many and different competitors, and that it has to grow very much, in quantity and quality.

Regards.

I say we open up a club, all the hosts join, and chip in $5/mo, then when a DoS happens, 2/3 of the community is responsible for finding where it originated and pinpointing the exact person who did it (40-50 hosts should be able to do this with a combined effort right?), and then the other 1/3 selects a host from its midst, equips them with a baseball bat, and utilizes the fund to send them to the script kiddies house :D, and possibly utilizes any remainder to pay bail if necessary.

:) I've seen this happen before (with local DoS's, i was not involved mind you, just a bystander), and let me tell you, the first time or two it wasn't effective, but after a while.... :eek: extremely effective fear factor hehe.

(if anyone does this, i am in no way to be held responsible for inspiring or even what some may be suggesting such action).

i hate dos kiddies with a passion.

Originally posted by porcupine
and then the other 1/3 selects a host from its midst, equips them with a baseball bat, and utilizes the fund to send them to the script kiddies house :D, and possibly utilizes any remainder to pay bail if necessary.


Can i be the one who gets to go with the baseball bat :D
Common guys get ya cents out :bawling:

If this was legal and already in place, i'd be chipping in $5 already =)

"IF" ONLY :(

I am sure most hosts would love this, i could imagine the fun side of it :)

EDIT : What happens if we DOS'ed each other ;)

cabal: everyone involved in the DoS gets their knee caps re-alligned. Actually i have seen hosts do this before, my ISP has done it for me before, and several other providers also, when someone on their network was running DDoS hubs and they needed an immediate kill, a quick ping -fs and smooth sailing for the rest of the world while they got their issues sorted out internally without causing anyone else harm.

:)

Want fear? Send them lawyers!

Or maybe an NGO? :stickout

lawyers dont scare 12 year olds..... :D

Originally posted by porcupine
lawyers dont scare 12 year olds..... :D

exactly, they scare the lawyers:D

Maybe lawyers with bats?

Hey.. maybe we could move this convo to another thread.. Things have been fine for a while now..

I think we are OFF TOPIC here and well this thread at the top of the forum doesn't look too good.. what do you think? :yawn:

Originally posted by porcupine

That, and if we ever get DoS'ed, i'd expect people to treat me the same, i wouldn't want to hear how unreliable our service was if that happened once, considering its something nobody can realistically prevent, control, or anything :).


Is there anyway to tell if indeed it is a DOS attack from the outside? I'm not saying they were not under attack, but I was just thinking about how many times I've seen people say that lately and was wondering if there was a way to find out if that was really what was happening to them?

Also I've heard people say it happens to everyone.... if it does how to rackspace or others claim 100% uptime over a 12 months period? And I don't think I've ever heard of Pair networks being affected by a DOS attack. Are there ways to prevent them from happening or are they just lucky?

if theres ways of preventing it, let us all in on the secret. It's all luck, that or enough access on upstream routers to kill it before it kills you, an extremely fast support response, and 3-5 experienced cisco techs camping upstream routers at any one time ready to filter on command :D. I'd say its most definatly luck, and the client class they cater to, business sites wont get DoS'ed like IRC Shellboxes, etc.