Hi all.

I know the basics but I want to know the tricks how to get high link popularity. That is without using some expensive program and I don't want to get knocked off the engine for spamming. Ive tried that. I want to know how to really get many links fast without having to beg another webmaster for a link.

Please help me. Most of my competitors have a lot of money and they buy there way to people, I need to take cheep shortcuts but I know not how.:cartman:

you can get 20 domains at godaddy for less than 200 bucks ... you can host all the domains on one account for about 30/month ...

so make a buch of britney spears and eminem web sites and link them all to your main site ...

then you'll have link popularity ....

And then you'll have a bunch of cross-linked sites in what is known as a 'closed-circle' and you'll get picked up by the search engines for link spam.

Markymark knows what hes talking about at least! :)

Kind regards

The objective is to get sites "Related" to yours to put your link on. So if you run a web hosting company, having your link on hostsearch or even anything remotely alike such as web design.

You know, most of what gets people in trouble with search engines -- from having a site completely buried in rankings to having a domain penalized and/or banned -- is this idea of using quick and easy shortcuts and tricks.

If you want good rankings, there are two approaches to use: open your checkbook, or build a good site with quality content -- paying attention to just the minimal basics of search engine optimization.

Not that there aren't tricks; of course there are. But remember that it's not just your competitors that "have a lot of money" and are spending it on search engines. When you try to trick search engines in order to get better positioning, you're competing with all of the money and expertise they're putting into finding and "weeding out" sites like yours.

Hi,

Maybe that is what got me with one of my domains, this closed circle. Can someone define what constitutes that and if I should chance it?

I appreciate everyones ideas here. This is good stuff. I want to consider all options. I tried doing a subdomain thing and the engines picked up on the repetitiveness since the pages where the same entrance page. Now if I put different text on each one, maybe that would help?

Doing things the long way doesn't work, you can ask fellow sites for links as most will scrub there nose at you. You have to make it happen yourself. I am still wondering how??

moshes,

Depending on the nature of your site(s), it may be possible for you to establish either reciprocal links with similar sites or one-way permanent links if you're offering something to them in return. For example, one of my retail clients gets about 25% of his traffic because I contacted every one of his manufacturers and suppliers who didn't sell factory direct and asked them for a link (after all, my client is selling their product...it only makes sense for them to do so.)

Remember: people generally won't offer you a link unless there's something in it for them. Aren't we as a society a greedy bunch of (insert colourful language here)? ;)

Originally posted by moshes
Maybe that is what got me with one of my domains, this closed circle. Can someone define what constitutes that and if I should chance it?Almost every search engine has made clear that they consider it to be "spamming" to do any sort of linking solely for the purpose of manipulating ranking. A "closed circle" is taken as evidence that you have done so. It's simply a number of sites that are interlinked among each other but each with few or no links from the rest of the web. Once a web map makes that structure clear, it's a simple next step to look at IP addresses, domain registration info, etc., and find clear evidence that you have created multiple sites with the intent of increasing link pop.

My recommendation would be not to chance it. I tried doing a subdomain thing and the engines picked up on the repetitiveness since the pages where the same entrance page. Now if I put different text on each one, maybe that would help?Using subdomains would be a bad choice. Using duplicate content would also be a bad move. If you really want to have multiple sites, there's certainly nothing wrong with that! More sites make a better web... but, they have to real sites, with real content. As long as that's true, go ahead and link them. But never rely, again, on a closed circle of sites. You have to get other backwards links pointing to each of your sites!

By the way, don't think that you have to have hundreds, or even dozens, of links. I work with several sites that are well-positioned on Google and have a decent home page PageRank of 5 or even 6, with only six to 10 backward links. The important thing is the quality of the links (for Google, measured by the PageRank of the linking page and balanced by the number of links on the page) and whether their theme matches that of your site.Doing things the long way doesn't workSorry to be repetitive, but the shortcuts don't work. The "long way" does work... but yeah, it's hard work, and/or expensive.

That was a good round of imput. Please everyone get into this for me so I can figure out the right tricks to be on top. Don't worry, I am pretty sure your not my competition:)

Subdomains, you said they were a bad idea. Why? Aren't they looked at with better ranking then say something www.mydomain.com/page2.html?

There still must be a systematic way I can create a chain of link popularity cheeply without emailing 5000 webmasters for links who will end up stuck up about it.

I took a music site from nothing to top 100 in 2 months. top 30 in 5 and kept it thier until I sold it.

the trick ( or atleast what I call the trick ) is

a) working the right key words
b) getting some solid content
c) spreading the word

I must have spread the word like crazy, because I got to 4000 links with google within 4 month's and I surfed and posted to every music forum I could find in the related catagory, plus it does not hurt to post to very popular forums that get searched by search engine daily.

Mike

There is a lot of good info on getting yourself listed all over the place here: http://selfpromotion.com/
:D

Originally posted by Hiccups
There is a lot of good info on getting yourself listed all over the place here: http://selfpromotion.com/
:D

Hiccups, that is a great site, I just printing some of the things that they recommend doing.

you are a top dog.

Mike

Originally posted by moshes
Subdomains, you said they were a bad idea. Why?What I meant was if you were going to build your own network of sites and your own incoming links, doing that from subdomains would be a mistake. Or a bigger mistake than doing it at all, which is probably a mistake to begin with! :)

ADEhost's post gets to the heart of what a link-building program is about: b) getting some solid content
c) spreading the word

Develop content so that people will have something worth linking to, and then let them know that you are there. Another important point in his success story, though, is in the phrase "4000 links with google within 4 months." It takes time. There's no way to avoid that.

But content is the key. Link building is an important part the maintenance phase of search engine positioning and marketing campaigns my company does, but we don't even enter into agreements to do it unless the client has first established a content-rich site. Then we do link building in tandem with more content development. If you want long-term results, there are no short cuts... it's just hard work.

Originally posted by JayC


ADEhost's post gets to the heart of what a link-building program is about:

Develop content so that people will have something worth linking to, and then let them know that you are there. Another important point in his success story, though, is in the phrase "4000 links with google within 4 months." It takes time. There's no way to avoid that.



Wait before I make a mistake on what I was saying.

I checked the google link page and it had stated that there were 4000 links to the my music site.

one of the best ways to confirm the value of a web site for posting is netscape's site info, 2 years old or better, and within the top 1,000,000 ( yep million ) it's worth the 2 minutes extra to check because it starts adding up. if you make 1 post every 3 days within those forums.

mike

one of the best ways to confirm the value of a web site for posting is netscape's site info, 2 years old or better, and within the top 1,000,000 ( yep million ) it's worth the 2 minutes extra to check because it starts adding up. if you make 1 post every 3 days within those forums.

mike

I am not following what you are talking about here with netscape forums?

Also, how long does it take google these days to pick up on submissions?

Does it help to go to each search engine and not use mulitple search engine submit programs?

When we talk reciprical links, when I exchange links, I put their link on my links page, not on the main page as they do for me. If its on a secondary page, is that not really getting a link thats going to hold water?

Subdomains give you the ability to have sub.domain.com & domain.com/sub which gives you too links to submit to google, is that spamming as they are the same page?

The ultimate source (in my humble opinion anyway) for search engine advice is Search Engine Watch.

http://www.searchenginewatch.com

Check the stuff out there and sign up for a membership. They go into tons of stuff there.

Originally posted by moshes
one of the best ways to confirm the value of a web site for posting is netscape's site info, 2 years old or better, and within the top 1,000,000 ( yep million ) it's worth the 2 minutes extra to check because it starts adding up. if you make 1 post every 3 days within those forums.

mike

I am not following what you are talking about here with netscape forums?

Also, how long does it take google these days to pick up on submissions?

Does it help to go to each search engine and not use mulitple search engine submit programs?

When we talk reciprical links, when I exchange links, I put their link on my links page, not on the main page as they do for me. If its on a secondary page, is that not really getting a link thats going to hold water?

Subdomains give you the ability to have sub.domain.com & domain.com/sub which gives you too links to submit to google, is that spamming as they are the same page?

sorry I don't make sense some times.

anyway. I surf with 3 different browsers depending on what I'm doing.

using netscape I will check the popularity of a web site that has a forum to see if it's worth while to post in there. Netscape browsers have something called site rank. using the tool you can tell the rank of a web site to the entire global web space.

now pick to post in sites that are above 1,000,000 and those sites get search by all the big search engines atleast 1 time every 30 days. so if you make a post once every 3 days there is a good chance that your post with your web site link will be included into the search engine.

google can take anywhere from 18 days ( the fastest I've seen ) to 60 days ( so I'm told ) the longest for me was 35 days.

Submit programs are the worst thing in the world, because you don't control the submitting. better that you do the first submit to each engine by hand. then you can use an automated process. mever submit more than 10 pages per day to a search enging. they might flag you.

the subdomain issue is something that I'm not sure of. This is what I do know. if you have a subdomain, and you submit it, it will get scanned by the search engines.

I would be very careful of trying to fool the search engines, that's high risk in my book because the day that they catch you, your ranking will go to the lowest number possible.

Mike

Originally posted by ADEhost
using netscape I will check the popularity of a web site that has a forum to see if it's worth while to post in there. Netscape browsers have something called site rank. using the tool you can tell the rank of a web site to the entire global web space. That "site rank" uses Alexa's data... which has some problems. I wouldn't count on it to be truly authoritative, but it's reasonably useful for something like this. It evaluates sites based on visits by people using Alexa's toolbar, which means only a self-selected group of people and only IE users (interestingly, even though Netscape shows you the data, your visits while using Netscape can't be counted because you can't install the toolbar). So, nobody who uses Netscape, or Opera, or Mozilla is represented -- and nobody using a Mac. And only a very small minority of IE users.better that you do the first submit to each engine by hand. then you can use an automated process. mever submit more than 10 pages per day to a search enging. they might flag you. Today there's no reason to submit more than your home page anywhere (except for programs like Inktomi's paid spidering, where you do have to submit and pay for each page individually), and very few places (other than directories) where you need to submit at all.the subdomain issue is something that I'm not sure of. This is what I do know. if you have a subdomain, and you submit it, it will get scanned by the search engines.In general, subdomains will be treated as separate sites. There are advantages and disadvantages to that fact, but you have to develop your site with that in mind.

I have one main site and I have about 10 free sites all of which have a link on my main page, I should never submit them? I find that if I submit pages individualy, one by one and I have hundreds in total, I see more accepted.

Is there anyway to tell if you have been flagged and why specifically? Also, if flagged, how long does it take to be able to return up?

I still don't know if I should buy 10 actual domains instead of using subs for additinal sites. I have sites with simular but still different content.

There are more tricks out there and I really need them so I can create better material instead of spending all my time worrying about engines.

I am confused still what is meant by using the netscape browser and how that will help me here. Can you carry me through what I should do there.