Ok,

We'll it seems if anyone follows my posts (which i know a few people do), i'm said to "pick on some (people)", and i usually debate this, and say "thats not true, i just write the truth from my POV". Well heres one for you folks, and it just makes me laugh. If anyone remembers x213 networks and kingcomp (he gave kingcomp a terrible name), well heres a new one for you.

X213networks (the kid who runs it at least), and pearlnetworks (to whom he is one of the main staff members) are now setting up a warez friendly data center. I advise anyone who has a *real* business to avoid them like the plague. Obviously im not going to run around making unsubstantiated claims (you'll note i indicated i was interested in a previous request thread in an attempt to get information, but it turns out i didn't even have to do that).

Here's from where i draw this conclusion (lengthy):

WebHost Guy
Newbie

Registered: Jun 2002
Posts: 5
Yo , I gladly host Warez or any file u want

Intel Celeron 1Ghz
512MB PC133/DDR SDRAM
40 gig Space
600 gig Badwith
CPanel/Whm

150$ a Month

200$ Set up price (negotionable)

Email me elacour@msn.com or im though Aol eddiemonster234


(in thread http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54917 )

Now i look at this guys profile, and his home page is http://foryouwebdesign.com/ so i do a whois on it and it turns up the following info:

Domain Name: FORYOUWEBDESIGN.COM
Created on: 12-Dec-01
Expires on: 12-Dec-02
Last Updated on: 20-Feb-02

Administrative Contact:
Mondelli, Mario info@x213.com
x213 Networks
75 Chatham Dr
Oakdale, New York 11769
United States
631 427 8193 Fax --
Technical Contact:
Mondelli, Mario info@x213.com
x213 Networks
75 Chatham Dr
Oakdale, New York 11769
United States
631 427 8193 Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.PEARLSERVERS.NET
NS2.PEARLSERVERS.NET

What more needs to be said, he's been making multiple offers to host warez servers for people (which he did with a tad more discretion at kingcomp), and now he's openly offering warez servers under another alias on WHT, anyone feel like reporting this? :D

Anyone have anything they want to add to this? :D. X213, i'd love to hear your pitch on this one. Let me guess, its some guy, not you, whose stolen your identity, or some guy who you registered a domain to, but are now going to terminate in light of this information :laugh:. Good luck explaining this, it should be good for a laugh and a half.

<edit> btw, nice controversial 1600th post! haha what luck</edit>

same 15 year old from the Neo thread?

Originally posted by Monte
same 15 year old from the Neo thread?

HAHAHA YES! :emlaugh:

I knew i forgot to add something! X213networks is the SAME GUY whose developing "neopanel", i wonder if it'll have special warez functions built into it :D

and stranger.

Sometimes I wonder what the hosting business has come to!

Monte

LOL
Thats funny:)

... if he would host in some secure locations where no authorities can touch him then I think that this would be pretty cool actually.

Warez as such are mainly programs mainly from companies like Microsoft that charge tremendous amounts for software which is not by far worth it. This scene has developed and is fueled by that fact and I cannot blame them.

If someone, a kid or not, wants to become a webdesigner f.e. (and do honest work), he is forced to make use of Warez as it is the only way to get the software to learn. Of course this person will later on buy that software when he has the money. If he doesn't and makes cash with the software then he should go to jail!

Now based on the fact that this guy is in US and hosting in US I have to 100% agree with PORCUPINE that this offer(s) is/are a joke.

Would be pretty cool?

You endorse theft?

Robert...you have now told me far more about yourself than I wanted to know.

Theft is theft whether in the U. S., whether caught or not caught, and whatever the reasons. And, theft whether of tangible items or of intellectual properties is illegal, immoral, and dishonest. Furthermore, any endorsement or condoning of theft is deplorable.

Since theft of services is OK with you, I will be glad to refer, if you would like, all those who attempt to fraudulently sign up at my sites with stolen credit cards. I am sure you would be glad to provide them service. Just let me know.

Originally posted by ShareFile
Warez as such are mainly programs mainly from companies like Microsoft that charge tremendous amounts for software which is not by far worth it. This scene has developed and is fueled by that fact and I cannot blame them.

If someone, a kid or not, wants to become a webdesigner f.e. (and do honest work), he is forced to make use of Warez as it is the only way to get the software to learn. Of course this person will later on buy that software when he has the money. If he doesn't and makes cash with the software then he should go to jail!
So, essentially, what you're trying to tell us is that I can go steal a brand new Rolls Royce from a dealer because I don't know how to drive and I want to learn. Rolls Royce charges a tremendous amount for their cars, which to many is not worth it by far (especially to me since I don't make a million a year). I have every intention to learn how to legally drive. I won't use the Rolls for illegal purposes (I promise), so I should be safe, right? Oh, and if I use the Rolls as a taxi to make money, I'll go ahead and buy it. Otherwise they may put me in jail.

So, exactly why shouldn't a software developer get paid for his work? Does it matter that you are "just learning?" Most software packages out there come with a trial or educational version anyway...

::dresses up like a chicken::

i think the topic has became a lil off topic. we're talking about hosting warez, not driving expensive cars. :)

Originally posted by LogicBrendan
i think the topic has became a lil off topic. we're talking about hosting warez, not driving expensive cars. :)
I was comparing theft to theft. I could have used a computer as an example. Or basically anything else you can steal. Warez is theft. If you can't afford something, find something you can afford. If you *must* have that something, find the funds.

Originally posted by Incognito
Theft is theft whether in the U. S., whether caught or not caught, and whatever the reasons. And, theft whether of tangible items or of intellectual properties is illegal, immoral, and dishonest. Furthermore, any endorsement or condoning of theft is deplorable.

Since theft of services is OK with you, I will be glad to refer, if you would like, all those who attempt to fraudulently sign up at my sites with stolen credit cards. I am sure you would be glad to provide them service. Just let me know.

Theft is theft. Of course! Now if Warez etc are theft as we know it is an endless topic... let's assume it IS theft allright.

I just said why I understand that the Warez scene exists. And when I mean Warez scene I mean people sharing or collecting programs (meaybe even as hobby) and by NO MEANS people/sites that SELL them. I myself reported several of those to the FBI INTERNET FRAUD DEPARTMENT!

As to the thing with the stolen credit cards... well that is something completely different! People that steal credit cards=my/your money belong in jail, period!

BTW: In my part of the world "Pretty cool" in translation also means giving someone credit for doing something that is not nessecarily good but is really causing people to react, something really crazy... I amean offering Warez hosting here on WHT IS freaking crazy... :D

Yes, lets get back on topic, anyone know what data center they're really operating out of? I notice pearlservers.net doesen't even have a webpage... (let alone resolving dns), im guessing they're reselling for somebody, but i haven't had time to investigate more throughly.

Hrm,

Just went to look it up, either 1. they really suck hard, or 2. they're trying to cover up, neither ns1 or ns2.pearlservers resolve now, though i still have their info cached:

[(root):(/usr/local/apache/cgi-bin)]# host ns2.pearlservers.net
ns2.pearlservers.net has address 216.73.98.104

[(root):(/usr/local/apache/cgi-bin)]# whois 216.73.98.104
OC Hosting, Inc. (NETBLK-OCHS) OCHS 216.73.96.0 - 216.73.127.255
OC Networks (NETBLK-OC-NET-1) OC-NET-1 216.73.96.0 - 216.73.103.255

anyone familiar with oc networks?

(love how my BASH turns into a frown smiley lol)

Originally posted by ShareFile Warez as such are mainly programs mainly from companies like Microsoft that charge tremendous amounts for software which is not by far worth it. This scene has developed and is fueled by that fact and I cannot blame them.

If someone, a kid or not, wants to become a webdesigner f.e. (and do honest work), he is forced to make use of Warez as it is the only way to get the software to learn. Of course this person will later on buy that software when he has the money. If he doesn't and makes cash with the software then he should go to jail![/B]Just like stealing cameras to become a photographer; stealing tools to become a carpenter; stealing sports equipment to become an athlete; stealing utensils to learn cooking; stealing computers to learn systems administration; stealing olives to learn olive oil production; stealing nuclear material to learn atomic science; stealing flour to learn baking; stealing books to learn a subject...

You are in business. Is it ok for someone to steal services from you in order to learn something?

I thought not.

Either you are completely without a clue, or have the same lack of moral depth that warez people have, or are in fact a warez supporter yourself. Theft is theft, clearly you do not understand this very simple concept.

Originally posted by mwatkins
Just like stealing cameras to become a photographer; stealing tools to become a carpenter; stealing sports equipment to become an athlete; stealing utensils to learn cooking; stealing computers to learn systems administration; stealing olives to learn olive oil production; stealing nuclear material to learn atomic science; stealing flour to learn baking; stealing books to learn a subject...

You are in business. Is it ok for someone to steal services from you in order to learn something?

I thought not.

Either you are completely without a clue, or have the same lack of moral depth that warez people have, or are in fact a warez supporter yourself. Theft is theft, clearly you do not understand this very simple concept.

Please read my other reply first


Theft is theft. Of course! Now if Warez etc are theft as we know it is an endless topic... let's assume it IS theft allright.

I just said why I understand that the Warez scene exists. And when I mean Warez scene I mean people sharing or collecting programs (meaybe even as hobby) and by NO MEANS people/sites that SELL them. I myself reported several of those to the FBI INTERNET FRAUD DEPARTMENT!


Now if Warez etc are theft as we know it is an endless topic... and I didn't want to discuss it in order to not take this thread off topic but here we go then: :D :D :D

Copying a program, book, CD whatever IS illegal, of course. Breaking into a house or stealing at a store is illegal too, of course. Hell, MURDER is illegal too :rolleyes:

What I am getting at and what you and other just don't understand is that I of course condemn Warez and even HUNT DOWN and report to the police those who SELL WAREZ. That is the reason btw why most that "get cought" are those who SELL them cause THERE is "criminal intent"... another "little" differentiation made by the law.

Now lets speak 60% ethically and 40% by law: People who collect software as a hobby (stupid hobby actually) and never even use the stuff, or Kids that don't have a dime downloading DreamWeaver to learn instead of hangin out on the street becoming drug addicts, are NOT criminals. Maybe by law they are but not in the ethical meaning. They do not cause actual damage such as someone that actually steals f.e. your car and then you cannot drive to work anymore and your family starves as a result. :rolleyes:

People who download and then SELL Warez = make profit off other people work + really pull a PAYING customer away who to a 90% chance would have BOUGHT the prog... THAT is DAMAGE, THAT is criminal - ethicaly and by the law.

As to people who STEAL stuff f.e. car or else, well, you are nuts to compare this honestly, I am not a GrandTheftAuto-5-years-in prison-canditate just cause I copied MS-Office and gave it to my 15-year old cousin...

Lets stay on the carpet here. ALL of the above mentioned is illegal! All of it should be avoided. But there are differences. All of you here, and I mean ALL (!) have sometime in your life used or copied software, a book or a CD that you didn't pay for. So don't play Jesus cause you ain't Jesus... not me, not you...noone

All this of course doesn't make Warez legal or ethically correct though.

Ok back to the topic now, will ya!!!

Very well said, Robert. :)

Wow..when I saw eddiemonster234 ....Alarms started going off.

Here are some AOL conversations. Source: WebHostingRadioForums

eddiemonster234: yo
eddiemonster234: this is web host tutoraial forums
eddiemonster234: we have a site
eddiemonster234: we have a datacenter
eddiemonster234: and we are located in the uk
eddiemonster234: so its pounds not $$
eddiemonster234: thank you
Rewdog4: then why did you put $ before it
Rewdog4: where is your datacenter
Rewdog4: got a site?
eddiemonster234: glocoster
eddiemonster234: uk
eddiemonster234: its down
eddiemonster234: futurehost.org
Rewdog4: lol, quite a datacenter
Rewdog4: so no redundancy in your DC?
Rewdog4: doesn't even have a dns record?
Rewdog4: futurehost.org
Rewdog4: Explain your unlimited tactics and how it makes a stable business plan?
eddiemonster234: oc3 connection
eddiemonster234: unlim= about 300 gigs
eddiemonster234: space
eddiemonster234: and unlim badwith
eddiemonster234: is 700gig
Rewdog4: so its not unlimited
eddiemonster234: well thats basically unlimted
eddiemonster234: u know anyone who use more than that
eddiemonster234: No]
Rewdog4: yes
eddiemonster234: u dont
eddiemonster234: who
Rewdog4: www.peterjun.com
eddiemonster234: that 1 account
Rewdog4: yup
eddiemonster234: two ded
Rewdog4: why don't you say 700 gigs?
Rewdog4: Instead of redefining an already made word
eddiemonster234: because it sounds tupid
eddiemonster234: and if they did exceed
eddiemonster234: i would charge them extra
Rewdog4: why
Rewdog4: you offer unlimited
eddiemonster234: because it gets more ppl
Rewdog4: so its a cheap marketing tactic
eddiemonster234: right
Rewdog4: lol
eddiemonster234: ;-)
Rewdog4: why's your datacenter down?
eddiemonster234: it isnt
eddiemonster234: a datcenter cant be down
Rewdog4: well why isn't your site up?
eddiemonster234: unless someone came in and space all the servers with a bat
Rewdog4: or cut your line
eddiemonster234: smashed
eddiemonster234: yes
eddiemonster234: redoing
eddiemonster234: it
Rewdog4: why not have at least a temporary site up, you are turning down potential customers
eddiemonster234: i have enough costomers
eddiemonster234: 10000
eddiemonster234: and i still get costomers
eddiemonster234: evan witht the sitw
eddiemonster234: down
Rewdog4: well there has to be a parent company to have 10,000 customers
Rewdog4: I mean, futurehost.org isn't even listed on google...
Rewdog4: how do you advertise, spamming forums?
eddiemonster234: ahh i am not the only one
Rewdog4: LOL
Rewdog4: futurehost.org is your company right
eddiemonster234: right
Rewdog4: How come your domain isn't even registered!??!
eddiemonster234: http://www.futurehosts
eddiemonster234: .org
Rewdog4: ahh
eddiemonster234: not http://www.futurehosts
Rewdog4: futurehosts.org
Rewdog4: yes
Rewdog4: You're at ADEHOST.COM, not at your own datacenter
Rewdog4: Also, why is your huge company registered 2 one guy in Illinois
Rewdog4: for all contacts
eddiemonster234: well when we rigidted it are company wasnt that big
Rewdog4: how long has your company been around?
eddiemonster234: 5 years
Rewdog4: even though your domain was registered 4 months ago
eddiemonster234: yes
eddiemonster234: we changed domains
Rewdog4: what was your old domain
eddiemonster234: foryouwebdesign.com
eddiemonster234: which was regsited
eddiemonster234: by my frind at x213
Rewdog4: is that what has been around for 5 years?
Rewdog4: or did you haev anothe rdomain
eddiemonster234: yes
Rewdog4: yes it has been around 5 years?
eddiemonster234: yes
Rewdog4: then why was the domain created in 2001...
eddiemonster234: x213
eddiemonster234: are old old domain
Rewdog4: .com?
eddiemonster234: yes
Rewdog4: so why is the record on x213 2001
eddiemonster234: well not quite 5 years
eddiemonster234: like 2 in half
Rewdog4: yeah, double it, not a big difference ;-)
eddiemonster234: ;-)
eddiemonster234: yes
eddiemonster234: so do u want hosting
eddiemonster234: casue
Rewdog4: no, I want you on my radio show
Rewdog4: www.webhostingradio.com
eddiemonster234: yo
eddiemonster234: u want me to prove to u
eddiemonster234: i will
Rewdog4: sure
eddiemonster234: futurehosts.org
eddiemonster234: go there
eddiemonster234: my site
Rewdog4: its not up
Rewdog4: You said your datacenter was in the UK, no?
eddiemonster234: yes it is
Rewdog4: Is your site hosted in the UK
eddiemonster234: http://www.futurehosts.org/
eddiemonster234: no i host it
Rewdog4: its hosted at the datacenter in the uk?
eddiemonster234: yes
eddiemonster234: the site worls dont lie
Rewdog4: would you like a screenshot
Rewdog4: I'll upload it just for you
eddiemonster234: a screen **** of what
Rewdog4: me pinging futurehosts.org, unknown host comes up
Rewdog4: and the DNS error
eddiemonster234: heheh lol
Rewdog4: www.webhostingradio.com/screenshot.gif
Rewdog4: So where do you host it
eddiemonster234: http://www.futurehosts.org/about_us
Rewdog4: doesn't come up
Rewdog4: could you copy some of the text for me?
Rewdog4: http://www.webhostingradio.com/screenshot.gif
Rewdog4: you still there?
Rewdog4: Is futurehosts.org hosted in your UK datacenter
Rewdog4: yes or no question
Rewdog4: what does it say on your about us page
Rewdog4: I hear its very similar to http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/about_us.html is it not?
eddiemonster234: yes
Rewdog4: which question did you just answer
eddiemonster234: its not simmialt
eddiemonster234: to there page
eddiemonster234: and yes we host our site in our data center
Rewdog4: Then why are your Name servers pointed to ADE Host, and the owner of ADE host says you are hosted by them?
Rewdog4: ADE host isn't in the UK
eddiemonster234: there not
Rewdog4: now you are the lier
Rewdog4: Go to www.domainwhitepages.com
Rewdog4: type in futurehosts.org
Rewdog4: and look what name servers come up
Rewdog4: Name Server: LINUX-NS1.ADEHOST.COM
Name Server: LINUX-NS2.ADEHOST.COM
Rewdog4: sovietcommunist@attbi.com isn't a good email to have in your DNS records lol
eddiemonster234: ;-)
Rewdog4: So, how about you repeat after me...
I am a lier, I am a 16 year old boy who lies to get customers... From this day forward, I will be truthful and try to run an honest business..
Rewdog4: you can do it
eddiemonster234: hah
eddiemonster234: ok
eddiemonster234: i will
eddiemonster234: noy
eddiemonster234: not
Rewdog4: Too big of a step eh?
Rewdog4: What is your relation with ADE Host
eddiemonster234: i dont know them
eddiemonster234: i am not the owner
eddiemonster234: i am like an employ
Rewdog4: an employee of futurehosts
Rewdog4: ?
Rewdog4: or just 'like an employee'
eddiemonster234: i am
eddiemonster234: an employee
Rewdog4: ok, well how do you feel about your owner lying to you?
eddiemonster234: he didnt dude
eddiemonster234: how can we have the same how can we main tane are plans if we a reseller of ade
eddiemonster234: because they have shiitty
eddiemonster234: plans
eddiemonster234: we wouldnt make money
Rewdog4: then why is your site hosted by them?
Rewdog4: I mean, the whois server isn't lying
Rewdog4: hello
Rewdog4: Eddie, come clean
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eddiemonster234: do u need hosting
darthpinguTPF: hi, who is this?
eddiemonster234: Dan E2 Networks
darthpinguTPF: dan from E2 networks?
darthpinguTPF: who are E2 networks
eddiemonster234: a hosting comapny
darthpinguTPF: do they have a site?
eddiemonster234: do u need hosting
darthpinguTPF: i have free hosting atm but i dont like the banner
eddiemonster234: no we dont as of now we are redoing it
eddiemonster234: how uch space and badwith do u need
darthpinguTPF: 500MB space, 15G bandwidth.
darthpinguTPF: which normally costs like $50 :-(
eddiemonster234: 30 a month
darthpinguTPF: how much do you charge per extra GB of traffic?
darthpinguTPF: or do you cut off
darthpinguTPF: oh and is that 30 american dollars? or pounds? or australian dollars? or what..
eddiemonster234: 3 $ per gig
eddiemonster234: american dollars
darthpinguTPF: hmmm thats not bad
darthpinguTPF: what type of server is it? I need linux
eddiemonster234: linux and windows
darthpinguTPF: ok for linux, are you running redhat? if so what version?
eddiemonster234: redhat 7.o
darthpinguTPF: hmm. what control panel do i have access too? I hate ensim :-)
eddiemonster234: c4
darthpinguTPF: what cpanel 4?
eddiemonster234: i g2g
eddiemonster234: se ya
darthpinguTPF: ok

It seems this guy has no idea as to what he is talking about and has no business ethics. The idea of constantly trying to close a sale and leaving in the middle of it.....Maybe his mom was calling him to do his chores. :blush:

Yup! I have talked to Lance and have seen their datacenter. They can be found at http://www.ochosting.net. They are based out of San Clemente, California. Orange county, I believe?




Originally posted by porcupine
Hrm,

Just went to look it up, either 1. they really suck hard, or 2. they're trying to cover up, neither ns1 or ns2.pearlservers resolve now, though i still have their info cached:

[(root):(/usr/local/apache/cgi-bin)]# host ns2.pearlservers.net
ns2.pearlservers.net has address 216.73.98.104

[(root):(/usr/local/apache/cgi-bin)]# whois 216.73.98.104
OC Hosting, Inc. (NETBLK-OCHS) OCHS 216.73.96.0 - 216.73.127.255
OC Networks (NETBLK-OC-NET-1) OC-NET-1 216.73.96.0 - 216.73.103.255

anyone familiar with oc networks?

(love how my BASH turns into a frown smiley lol)

lol that's sad. Why would someone make all those false claims. Starting a company is hard enough. Imagine trying to start a company that already has a bad rep. Has to be impossible since most of them go out of business in no time.

OC Networks 920 Calle Negocio, Ste #F San Clemente, CA 92673 US

Originally posted by NixHosting
lol that's sad. Why would someone make all those false claims. Starting a company is hard enough. Imagine trying to start a company that already has a bad rep. Has to be impossible since most of them go out of business in no time.

:confused: whose making false claims? ^_^

eddiemonster in the AIM conversation. All around lies amongst other things.

Originally posted by NixHosting
eddiemonster in the AIM conversation. All around lies amongst other things.

Ahh, i thought you were making reference to the thread, what i had posted, etc. which iwas to say "go look them up" because all of that is still recorded, and i try to avoid ever lying (unless im asked "does this dress make me look fat :D)

Originally posted by porcupine


Ahh, i thought you were making reference to the thread, what i had posted, etc. which iwas to say "go look them up" because all of that is still recorded, and i try to avoid ever lying (unless im asked "does this dress make me look fat :D)

LOL:D :D :D

Nope you state valid points and in fact you help a lot of people. Just think of everyone that searches here before choosing a host. You probably saved 10 people just by creating this thread. I'm sure they are quite thankful to you for that.

Now lets speak 60% ethically and 40% by law: People who collect software as a hobby (stupid hobby actually) and never even use the stuff, or Kids that don't have a dime downloading DreamWeaver to learn instead of hangin out on the street becoming drug addicts, are NOT criminals. Maybe by law they are but not in the ethical meaning. They do not cause actual damage such as someone that actually steals f.e. your car and then you cannot drive to work anymore and your family starves as a result.

Wrong, they are criminals.

Simple analogy: A poor person that steals a loaf of bread is guilty of a crime.

However much we may understand what drove them to steal, its still a crime.

Poor people, hatred of Microsoft or software companies in general, kids learning - none of these are reasons that justify criminal behaviour.

Everyone has a choice.

Kids wanting to learn can find ample free tools on the net. I submit its better to learn HTML with notepad anyway if one is to truly master it.

futurehosts.org - love it. Only 25 ms away from me in Vancouver BC. Pretty hard to do that to the UK... must be alien technology. LOL

rollei# ping futurehosts.org
PING futurehosts.org (192.216.217.43): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 192.216.217.43: icmp_seq=0 ttl=246 time=25.626 ms
64 bytes from 192.216.217.43: icmp_seq=1 ttl=246 time=23.732 ms
64 bytes from 192.216.217.43: icmp_seq=2 ttl=246 time=27.284 ms


rollei# whois -a 192.216.217.43
GENUITY (NET-GNTY-192-216) GNTY-192-216 192.216.0.0 - 192.216.255.255
Wonder Technologies (NETBLK-WONDER-217-25) WONDER-217-25

As to people who STEAL stuff f.e. car or else, well, you are nuts to compare this honestly, I am not a GrandTheftAuto-5-years-in prison-canditate just cause I copied MS-Office and gave it to my 15-year old cousin...

So Robert are you admitting that you participated in the theft of MS Office? Shall I send a note to Microsoft's office in Greece? Normally they would not want to bother with an individual user, but since you run an on-line business, they may want to investigate further.

...
...
...

Now, I'm not about to do that. I just wonder if you are less "ok" with giving your cousin a copy of MS Office if you knew there were possible reprecussions.

Here's a sad truth: In Canada a young offender can attack someone with a machete, do a little time, and then be back at school or the streets or wherever and their "record" must be kept secret. Teachers, neighbours, no one is provided access to their record.

My opinion: its this 'protection' of their record that in fact encourages young offenders to commit crime - they know they can almost get away with murder because there are no lasting consequences to them.

If you knew you would go to jail, have your record exposed for all to see for stealing MS Office when you gave it to your cousin, would you still do it?

Book 'em Danno!

:stickout

I made no attempt to play Jesus. However, let's just leave it at my definition of morality, ethics, and honesty differs from yours. And, as to giving your 15 year old nephew a copy of your software, let's just say I would never do that. We don't need to be teaching our children that it is ok to break the law and ok to steal someone's work.

And people of any age who steal are criminals and are thieves.

You, however, are entitled to your opinion. I just respectfully disagree.

Originally posted by Incognito
I made no attempt to play Jesus. However, let's just leave it at my definition of morality, ethics, and honesty differs from yours. And, as to giving your 15 year old nephew a copy of your software, let's just say I would never do that. We don't need to be teaching our children that it is ok to break the law and ok to steal someone's work.

Yes you are right about that... not a good example I gave really. BTW: It is my COUSIN not nephew, I am a bit too young (26) to have that :D



Here's a sad truth: In Canada a young offender can attack someone with a machete, do a little time, and then be back at school or the streets or wherever and their "record" must be kept secret. Teachers, neighbours, no one is provided access to their record.

My opinion: its this 'protection' of their record that in fact encourages young offenders to commit crime - they know they can almost get away with murder because there are no lasting consequences to them.


WOW, that sucks. Here in Greece that "offender" would be beaten by 1) the police 2) the relatives of the victim 3) by his parents... by the time he comes out of the hospital he wouldn't need a clean criminal record... everyone is accepted in retirement homes :D :D :D