Did http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=5427 get deleted? I received several email that there were several replies and now I can't get in.

If it was deleted then I want to know, why close all the other US/Burst threads only to point to that thread and then to delete that thread?

seems it's being blocked to only Mod's so they can talk more deepely and we dont know.

Thank you.

Well they should tell us about it. And I don't know about you, but if they delete that thread instead of editing out the *specific* post(s) bothering them if need be, then I'm out of here. I come here for supposedly unbiased information. I'll respect the moderators attempt to reduce the flaming, organize the content. But if bad news gets canned, what do we need this place for?

OTOH, if this is only temporary, then I apologize and never mind...

Originally posted by SarasotaWeb
seems it's being blocked to only Mod's so they can talk more deepely and we dont know.


SarasotaWeb, do you even know what that thread contained? please dun pass comments unless you know what you are talking about.

hostShoppin2, the thread was moved, because the things discussed were not appropriate. It was not helping anyone. They were just people pointing fingers at one another and whining. Things were getting out of hand to. So we decided to move the thread out of the public eye *temporaryly* till things cool down.

kunal, then how the hell that thread has been moved and *Blocked* ? This is really misleading, really.

Originally posted by Webdude
Personally I would not have removed it as it was very informative for me. It was seperating the Professionals from the Babies in my opinion. If someone/host/noc wants to sit here and ruin their rep further with childish arguing, I'll be sitting here learning who not to ever do business with. Hence, a very good reason for leaving the thread up as I'm sure I'm not the only one looking in from that viewpoint. I wasnt part of the convo, but it was giving me excellent data on all involved.

I agree with this. If people don't like what I said, they don't end up hiring someone they aren't compatible with, for example, or someone they won't agree with. The same holds true for the servers/hosts and NOC's in question. People can think they aren't right for them, by seeing the actions and reactions. I don't think it's fair to say that all people were doing was pointing fingers and whining, when people such as myself, while surely giving it right back as I got it from them, were pointing out relevant facts.

How exactly is something *not* considered "pointing fingers", when that's the only way you can inform people of some vital information about a host being a poor one, or not? I mean, technically, this is what it's about and has always happened. Sure, if I'm attacked by some jerk without a reason, I'll say so and point out why, as I refuse to have my information and credibility compromised. People don't usually like to argue, and that wasn't my intention. It was to enlighten people about the situation, from what information I had. It was something I felt I should do. Sure, it turned ugly, but they all do if the host in question responds, usually. This entire situation has been contorted so much, people simply got confused and some people were out of line because of it. However, there were relevant issues. I told you who to contact in my email to you, Kunal.

Now, I'm not accusing anyone of anything here, but why is it okay and every-day conversation to talk badly about services like Alabanza, GX hosting, etc., but not the host that this board is hosted on? I find that interesting. I mean, no one's attacked relentlessly, without mercy or thought like myself and a few other's were, because they provide important information about those other web hosts that happens to be of the negative variety. This "attacking" was a result of the reaction of said web host and employee's thereof, as well as the NOC in question.

All I ever presented, was the facts I knew and what I heard. It would be moronic to ignore it and highly unfair to not convey these concerns to the people active in the web hosting community. Now, because some mindless jerk comes in attacking me and I tell him he's a jack-ass, for example, doesn't quite justify removing the entire thread that displays the attitude of all involved -- even my own attitude. This makes people uneasy and gives people the impression that certain businesses are favored here. If so, that's your prerogative, but it entirely takes the point out. Let people complain, fight, etc.

If no one threatens anyone, commits any crimes or uses any vulgar language or other types of derogatory remarks, let the people look bad, if they do -- even if it's all involved. Respect the situation and the people's actions, let people here decide who's wrong or right or out of line, or there's no discussion and therefore no discussion board. Just my thoughts on it, no matter how I might look in the thread myself.
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Personally I would not have removed it as it was very informative for me. It was seperating the Professionals from the Babies in my opinion. If someone/host/noc wants to sit here and ruin their rep further with childish arguing, I'll be sitting here learning who not to ever do business with. Hence, a very good reason for leaving the thread up as I'm sure I'm not the only one looking in from that viewpoint. I wasnt part of the convo, but it was giving me excellent data on all involved.

This is censorship. The moderators have invalidated the purpose of this forum. I am leaving here. I am VERY concerned with the Burst/US issue. I'm dying for as much info as possible on this topic so I can decide if I stay with Burst, how long to stay with Burst etc...

The mods have closed all topics relating to this topic, and referred people to one particular thread. Then closed that thread (until no one cares anymore). That is bias. That counters the purpose of this forum, and frankly, short-sighted and, well you get the idea. For the people who want to talk about Burst, head on over to http://www.sitepoint.com . This place is useless. Goodbye everyone.

Originally posted by kunal
Originally posted by SarasotaWeb
seems it's being blocked to only Mod's so they can talk more deepely and we dont know.


SarasotaWeb, do you even know what that thread contained? please dun pass comments unless you know what you are talking about.

hostShoppin2, the thread was moved, because the things discussed were not appropriate. It was not helping anyone. They were just people pointing fingers at one another and whining. Things were getting out of hand to. So we decided to move the thread out of the public eye *temporaryly* till things cool down.

The key word in there is temporarily, as in not permenant, as in just enough time for people to grow up and stop calling each other names like school children.

I say, have patience, let's wait and see what happens with the thread. I followed the different threads yesterday and I must say I agree that everything went too far. I must say, that even though cussin' and calling each other names do not belong here, the discussion was informative. The different parts could have solved this other places than this forum. When they did choose to "solve" the problem here it's their own fault that this went too far, and the thread should stay.(if it's the thread I saw. If not I apologize).

I do not take any parts here but I must agree with Tim Greer
with the following:
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If no one threatens anyone, commits any crimes or uses any vulgar language or other types of derogatory remarks, let the people look bad, if they do -- even if it's all involved. Respect the situation and the people's actions, let people here decide who's wrong or right or out of line, or there's no discussion and therefore no discussion board. Just my thoughts on it, no matter how I might look in the thread myself.
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The thread is open again. None of the moderators are gonna touch it. Let whatever happen.

Sorry I didn't see this and locked it up again... it has been restored, my apologies.

[Edited by Chicken on 02-04-2001 at 03:59 PM]

Originally posted by kunal
The thread is open again. None of the moderators are gonna touch it. Let whatever happen.

Thanks Kunal, you're a good guy. As I said before, I don't plan to post to it again anyway, since I've said all I care to say. So, with less people having interest, people can choose to post in an effort to clear things up, or just leave it alone if they don't want to or can't. I mean, technically, the only people that are going to get annoyed with it, are the one's reading it anyway -- and they have a choice to stop reading it at any time. :-) I don't imagine too many people walk into a town hall and listen to people discuss issues and then start complaining about how sick of it they are, rather than leave. Anyway, Cheers. :-)
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