Has anyone received this? It sounds all nice to start off ("trying to find a sutiable contact") but then just slides downhill with some long distance phone number. Came to the mailbox of my sales guys today:

We have been trying to obtain a suitable contact within your organisation, apologies if you have already seen our previous mails to your company. Can you supply industry standard 128 bit SSL certificates for 49 US Dollars? InstantSSL certificates from COMODO are browser compatible with 95 percent of internet users and due to the fast take up of the service, COMODO has now become the largest Certification Authority (CA)in Europe. We want to enable greater security on the Internet and we need to work with companies like yourselves, so you can provide the world's most cost effective SSL Certificates to your customers. More information, can be seen at; http://www.InstantSSL.com For SSL as low as 49 US Dollars, can you afford to NOT consider offering InstantSSL?! Why so cheap? Because, COMODO has issued 15 million identity certificates under its Identity Assurance infrastructure and hence has already verified over 5 Million companies, it is now offering industry standard SSL certificates for only $49 with lower price options for multiple years! You have to ask, why are people paying so much for commodity SSL? Why offer Comodo? COMODO is not just an SSL solutions provider. We have a range of additional security products that we plan to offer through are growing network of Resellers and Web Host Resellers that will greatly enhance your earning potential. For example, we are soon to release the TrustLogo product family - the latest technology to utilise Comodo's extensive Identity Assurance infrastructure. Through a dynamically supported logo placed on websites, TrustLogo provides confidence and peace of mind to website visitors. We would be very pleased to hear back from your company. For further information, please contact me directly. Regards, Paul Paul Tourret Director Comodo Ltd Direct Tel: +44 (0) 1622 844568 Office Tel: +44 (0) 1274 730044 Direct Fax: +44 (0) 1622 842107 Mobile: +44 (0) 7789 692802 E-mail: paul.tourret@comodo.net Web: www.comodo.net www.trusttoolbar.com www.instantssl.com www.undeniablemail.com "providing next generation E-commerce security solutions" ...<SNIP>it goes on for hours</SNIP>...

The other fun part is that message came exactly as you see it: one big, unending blob of text.

-Matt

Yup yup yup. I received this same email about a week ago.

DAMN SPAM!!!!

:uzi::spam:

got it too :rolleyes: Wouldn't feed into spamcop either.. something about a lack of html or some such. Well they're one less choice I have to make when I go looking for SSL certs :)

Greg Moore

These off-brand SSL certs are kind of scary. With SSL your first line of trust is the issuing company, they are vouching for the business whose site you are contemplating making a purchase from.

I trust Verisign and Thawte, and I know they go through an extensive verification process involving Dun and Bradstreet to be sure the companies requesting a cert are legit.

I trust the certs they issue, but I'm not about to trust a spammer I've never heard of to vouch for a company who wants my credit card information.

Got the same thing..*twice* today!

I recieved the emails and I phoned them up - here in the UK. They immediately complied with my request to be removed from their email list.

Paul Tourret is a real person. But unfortunately they do not know the etiquet of polite email marketing to opt in recipients.

However - I dont feel that it is justified to bash their product because of this dodgey way of marketing they have. I have used their cert and it seems to be a good product at a reasonable price.

It would be good if they would not spam though. For them as well as the recipients.

:eek:

I have gotten 5 of these over the last 3 weeks. Very annoying. I just sent them a nasty-gram.

ME too I've just got home from school and got the same message!!! How did he get my email?

I think they went through a host search site. The email address used to contact our sales reps was a non-standard one provided to hostsearch and a couple other places.

Guess clients aren't the only thing you get from those.

Sincerely,

-Matt

I don't mind this sort of mail.
We are a web hosting company and its a related product.
Much the same as someone phoning us up IMO.
Its relevant so it is not spam in the original sense of that word.

Gordon

I think the product is extremely good value.

I was initially annoyed with the spam, but I can always spot a good business oportunity.

I have already had good response from some of my customers at this pricing.

:)

yeah we got 3 of those

COMODO is not just an SSL solutions provider

No, they are spammers too

Received a copy as well. :mad:

Originally posted by GordonH
I don't mind this sort of mail.
We are a web hosting company and its a related product.
Much the same as someone phoning us up IMO.
Its relevant so it is not spam in the original sense of that word.


Gordon

I received the same message a couple while ago. It is still a spam:

- the messages sent are all exactly the same, the sender didn't attempt to personalize the messages at all
- I didn't have any business relationship with them before
- Email is different than phone. With email YOU are paying for every email received, with phone the caller is paying (except on a toll free number)

When they said 'We have been trying to obtain a suitable contact within your organization', I thought they are really trying to send a personalized message, but it seems everybody here received the same exact copy of the message.

Maybe I wouldn't consider it spam if I had only gotten it once, but 5 times! Come on. That is spam.

Got it too...

I wrote them and told them not to spam me no more, see what they wrote back. I directed them to this thread!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Tourret" <paul.tourret@comodo.net>
To: "'L. James Prevo'"
Cc: "COMODO Steve Waite (SteveWaite)" <steve@comodo.net>; "COMODO Sally Whitehead" <sally@comodo.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 3:03 PM
Subject: RE: FREE trial 128bit SSL certificate. Important Product Announcement from Comodo


Sorry for any inconvenience caused .. but it wasn't spam

Regards,

Paul

Paul Tourret
Managing Director
Comodo Ltd
Direct Tel: +44 (0) 1622 833404
Office Tel: +44 (0) 1622 832700
Fax: +44 (0) 1622 833100
Mobile: +44 (0) 7789 692802
E-mail: paul.tourret@comodo.net
Web: www.comodo.net, www.trusttoolbar.com, www.instantssl.com,
www.undeniablemail.com, www.trustlogo.com

"providing next generation E-commerce security solutions"

-Ask for a FREE trial of our INSTANTSSL 128bit industry standard SSL
certificates
-Do you need multiple SSL certificates, ask about our Enterprise PKI
account
-Become a Reseller and get a FREE Partner identity seal for your web
site
-Check out our TrustLogo identity seals, coming soon

lol...wonder what it was then? :rolleyes:

If you didnt request the company to contact you....its feckin spam...when will these muppets understand!!!! :angry:

Cheers,

directed them to this thread as well. I doubt it'll do much to stop this guy though if his response to your e-mail is any indication. Not a very class act. Good for Thawte and the other's who promote the right way I suppose.

Greg Moore

i get them from him every other day

Originally posted by akashik
Good for Thawte and the other's who promote the right way I suppose.

Greg Moore



I'd call it SPAM. However, Verisign who also owns Thawte, does the same thing with junk mail in my mailbox all the time. I see no difference; but I don't agree with what they do.

Do something people. I feel so week, but I am sure some people out there know the way how to kick these fvckers ass.

Please do not hesitate to go against them by any means. They diserve it. I get 100 spamming e-mails/day. I am already lost.


Alex

Originally posted by akashik
directed them to this thread as well. I doubt it'll do much to stop this guy though if his response to your e-mail is any indication. Not a very class act. Good for Thawte and the other's who promote the right way I suppose.

Greg Moore

Thawte are owned by Verisign. Who have just had a court injunction against them for bad promotional tactics!

Bad example :D but we get your point.

Come on guys. Just because it's uninvited doesn't mean it's spam. If an old business associate emailed you with a business proposal, would you call it spam because it's uninvited? I call 10 emails a day from some porn site or loan sharking company, spam. I have received this email 3-4 times over the last 3 weeks too. It's just a business related proposition.

Yea, ok, they didn't have to repeat the mailing over and over and should have had an opt out link. I hate spam. We've had horrendous problems with spammers that got some IPs banned and killed mail servers.

I'm actually going to check this InstantSSL deal out thoroughly and may offer the service to our clients. Thawte aren't all powerful as someone suggested. Yes, they are thorough but I don't see the need to get a grilling from South Africa everytime I order 5 certs with different names. The whole thing is totally pointless as we just registered a business name for $50 that very day and ordered the certs in that organisation name.

Anyone can get one from Thawte, believe me. There vetting process is a waste of their international phone bill.

Originally posted by NexDog
Come on guys. Just because it's uninvited doesn't mean it's spam. If an old business associate emailed you with a business proposal, would you call it spam because it's uninvited? I call 10 emails a day from some porn site or loan sharking company, spam. I have received this email 3-4 times over the last 3 weeks too. It's just a business related proposition.

Yea, ok, they didn't have to repeat the mailing over and over and should have had an opt out link. I hate spam. We've had horrendous problems with spammers that got some IPs banned and killed mail servers.


I would understand one email yes, but one every other day? They are no "old business associate" of mine, I never signed up on thier email list and you are right, there is no opt-out option.

Though sometimes I don't trust them either. Some of these ads I get I go and opt out and I start getting more from somewhere else. hmmm wonder why? :eek:

One I can understand, but when I keep getting them over and over and over I am sorry that is spamming.

For all those people complaining about us supposedly spamming .... which we are not!

I'm very sorry you feel this way.

We have meant no harm, nor have we looked to upset anyone ...

On the whole, the response to our attempts at contacting you guys, has been excellent, proving that this is not spam, but relevant material for your business.

Clearly, we have a relevant product to discuss and promote to Web Hosts ...

1) We have identified you guys as webhosts
2) We have identified webhosts as users and resellers of SSL
3) We have analysed the market and found that you are being screwed
4) We have created the world's most cost effective SSL offering
5) We got in touch with you using email, simply because the majority of web host companies refuse to give out a number or refuse to accept calls or always ask us to send them an e-mail with more info
6) You will save hundreds if not thousands of dollars using Comodo SSL and potentially stand to make excellent profits selling our products
7)We will continue to add new products like www.trustlogo.com, www.undeniablemail.com and even e-commerce secure keyboards, which can generate significant additional profits to our resellers

All this and yet you complain for us to make contact with you?!!

My definition of spam taken from http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/s/spam.html is; "Electronic junk mail or junk newsgroup postings. Some people define spam even more generally as any unsolicited e-mail. However, if a long-lost brother finds your e-mail address and sends you a message, this could hardly be called spam, even though it's unsolicited. Real spam is generally e-mail advertising for some product sent to a mailing list or newsgroup. "

We have not posted ads on your forums, all we have done is sent you an e-mail, with relevant material to your line of business, which we obtained from sources where you guys have made your email addresses available to attract customers (directories for webhosts etc) and one would expect, to invite possible Partnership discussions.

Why do this if you don't want companies like us to contact you?

If I had invited you to buy our fridge/car/chocolate .... or if I had posted an obvious "come and buy from me" ad on your forums ... sure, crucify me

but your reaction to a credible company such as Comodo, writing an e-mail directly to your company requesting to discuss relevant matters does not make any sense to me whatsoever

Anyone who has said "no thankyou, we are not interested" has been removed from our target list. If this has not happened, contact me directly and I will personally make sure this is done.

If we do not get a response, then clearly we have no real knowledge that our e-mail has even been reviewed, so naturally, we will want to try again until we learn otherwise. The frequency of our attempts by the way, would never have realised multiple mails, unless of course one person runs multiple web host companies! Even then there is no way we sent out repeatedly ..

I am gald that you have raised this subject and I apologise for the long response, but, we are honest men trying to make an honest living, selling product that can make the world a safer, better place and improve/enhance the internet business. Our efforts should be recognized accordingly and we should not be judged so harshly for simply trying to make contact!

I am sorry (well not really) if we are negatively affecting the business of those that sell for other SSL suppliers and can understand them shouting the loudest (no names mentioned) on these forums and on this thread. We are the worlds most cost effective SSL provider selling commodity industry standard product at realistic commodity prices... I know how much this must hurt losing all that business on over priced certs.

I will personally ensure anyone who does not want us to contact them in the future will be removed from our target list. All they have to do is write to me paul.tourret@comodo.net

If any of you do change your mind, as so many of your direct competitors have done so ... I would be more than happy to discuss business with your company.

Thankyou again for taking the trouble to discuss us on this forum, negatively or positively.

We have learnt from your discussions and for example will be definately setting up a toll free number in the US for you guys to call us free in the UK

Regards,

Paul




Paul Tourret
Managing Director
Comodo Ltd
Direct Tel: +44 (0) 1622 833404
Office Tel: +44 (0) 1622 832700
Fax: +44 (0) 1622 833100
Mobile: +44 (0) 7789 692802
E-mail: paul.tourret@comodo.net
Web: www.comodo.net, www.trusttoolbar.com, www.instantssl.com, www.undeniablemail.com, www.trustlogo.com

"providing next generation E-commerce security solutions"

-Ask for a FREE trial of our INSTANTSSL 128bit industry standard SSL certificates
-Do you need multiple SSL certificates, ask about our Enterprise PKI account
-Become a Reseller and get a FREE Partner identity seal for your web site
-Check out our TrustLogo identity seals, coming soon

Paul
I have to agree with you.
The original definition of spam was non relevant messages (hence the term was taken from the monty python sketch)
However, its no wbecome more general.
We were spamcopped for sending a customer a renewal notice and he defended it by saying he had not given active permission to be mailed with renewal reminders.

Basically the definition of spam is in the eye of the beholder these days.

I feel that if you are in the hosting business and someone sends you their price list of servers or whatever then thats OK.
I certainly don't treat it as spam but the guy who keeps sending me helicopter rotor blade price lists from China is definitely spam.

Gordon

It is not the fact that you emailed us, it is the fact that you keep emailing us, over, and over, and over, and over.

That in itself is spamming. Just sending one email is not a big deal, but several?

If we were interested the first time we would have contacted you. I get these emails all the time, do they bother me, no, why? Because they email me one time and that is the end of it, they don't keep doing it.

The repeat emails is what we are complaining about. Take a hint, we are not interested.

You should really have a list mode where people getting these emails can OPT OUT!

Originally posted by mlovick
However - I dont feel that it is justified to bash their product because of this dodgey way of marketing they have.

Sure it is - why would you think a company who practices spamming is any more ethical in any other aspect of it's business dealings?

-Bob

YUP I got that msg too last week

Originally posted by Paul Tourret
For all those people complaining about us supposedly spamming .... which we are not!

Yes you are.

I'm very sorry you feel this way

Translation - "I'm very sorry I've been outed".

My definition of spam taken from http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/s/spam.html"Electronic junk mail or junk newsgroup postings"

And what, exactly, makes you think your ads aren't considered to be junk mail by those who are receiving it?

The generally accepted definition of spam is "unsolicited commercial email", or UCE. Your email was unsolicited, and it was commercial. And although spam isn't about content, yours carries a particular sleazeball trademark in the line "We have been trying to obtain a suitable contact within your organisation, apologies if you have already seen our previous mails to your company." Please.....

In a nutshell, your definition of spam - one that's oh-so-typical of spammers - can be more accurately described as "that which we don't do".

Anyone who has said "no thankyou, we are not interested" has been removed from our target list.

That's called "opt-out", and is completely unacceptable.

we are honest men trying to make an honest living

Honest men don't spam, nor do they make lame excuses and try to rationalize their behavior when it's been clearly pointed out to them that what they are doing is both unethical and just plain wrong. You know exactly what you're doing.

To those who have been spammed by this guy, please post a full copy of the spam, including headers (you can xxx out your address) to the newsgroup news.admin.net-abuse.sightings

-Bob

Well, I got the message (just one) but it sure didn't bother me.
Seeings how it was aimed at web hosts to enhance our services.
I receive hundreds of emails a day. Much of it I consider spam. This I did not.

Of course, if I didn't reply and he sent me another, I'd probably react like many of you.

Paul Tourret, read the rules about signatures on the forum, or no wait, write a 1000 word long essay that will show us that we are wrong and this is not a signature :

Paul Tourret
Managing Director
Comodo Ltd
Direct Tel: +44 (0) 1622 833404
Office Tel: +44 (0) 1622 832700
Fax: +44 (0) 1622 833100
Mobile: +44 (0) 7789 692802
E-mail: paul.tourret@comodo.net
Web: www.comodo.net, www.trusttoolbar.com, www.instantssl.com, www.undeniablemail.com, www.trustlogo.com

"providing next generation E-commerce security solutions"

-Ask for a FREE trial of our INSTANTSSL 128bit industry standard SSL certificates
-Do you need multiple SSL certificates, ask about our Enterprise PKI account
-Become a Reseller and get a FREE Partner identity seal for your web site
-Check out our TrustLogo identity seals, coming soon

Well, the result of someone pointing him to this thread is that Paul came here and spammed the forums. Yes, his signature is ridiculous (he hasn't go t a clue there), but he decided to post topics about his services and promote these certs in threads asking about certs in general.

Yes, they send out targeted emails but they are more interested in getting the word out about their services than anything else.

Hey, I bet their site might need some hosting? Anyone 'round here offer hosting services? Domain registration? I'm sure Paul would love to hear from you. All of you. Five or so times from each of you.

Hmmmmm... paul.tourret@comodo.net

Originally posted by Chicken

Hey, I bet their site might need some hosting? Anyone 'round here offer hosting services? Domain registration? I'm sure Paul would love to hear from you. All of you. Five or so times from each of you.

Hmmmmm... paul.tourret@comodo.net [/B]


LMAO good one

See, I'm a bit more understanding about 'industry spam' so to speak, however enough of it and it just becomes the same garbage as all the other spam.

I'm sure that a company could get a list of males (identified), but does that mean that they want penis enlargement emails? Justify it however you want to, but I'm changing my stance on getting 'industry emails'. I've gotten enough 'industry emails' at this point that it is now 'industry spam'.

Need a domain enlargement?

Thanks Chicken, I completely agree with you.

Originally posted by Chicken
Need a domain enlargement? I can give you a domain enlargement. We have services start at $29.95 and go up from there ;)

-t

Well, at the end of the day - this business is about making profit. I have used the comodo system and I believe it to be a good system at a great price. I did not like the way multiple emails came through from Paul, but I have to admit that when I contacted him about it he immediately stopped the emails.

Paul: You should have a system in place which allows a very easy one click route for people to get themselves off your list. This would be a good solution. There are plenty available and I am sure it would not cost more than a $100 to set up (the cost of 2 of your certs).

An relevant email, announcing your services is not SPAM IMO. However, multiple emails with the same content can be annoying. When your first email came - I was very interested to find out more, but when I recieved about 3 more in the same week I was really put off.

Just my thoughts!

Paul: You should have a system in place which allows a very easy one click route for people to get themselves off your list.

ermmm NO, i assume that UK is where Comodo-ppl are located, right? and since UK is the part of the EU, only OPT-IN lists are allowed ( so a simple opt out link is not enough to start spamming), so this fact makes them spammers no mather how their certificates are good. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Paul Tourret
If we do not get a response, then clearly we have no real knowledge that our e-mail has even been reviewed, so naturally, we will want to try again until we learn otherwise. The frequency of our attempts by the way, would never have realised multiple mails, unless of course one person runs multiple web host companies! Even then there is no way we sent out repeatedly ..


Paul,

I have one hosting company that I run. I only have one domain name associated with that company. I received your email, sent to the same email address, 5 times, yes 5 times in a 3 week period. You can say that we cannot have received multiples if you want, but to do so would be to call me a liar. I don't think that would be very professional. I am not implying that you are lying in this post, I am implying that you do not know what you are doing. If you have a system in place that should have prevented me from receiving that many copies of the same exact email to the same exact address, then what I am saying is that your system is broke, you don't have such a system, or you need to get real!

Oh, and I put my email address in hosting directories and my url on sites like WHT to attract customers, not business partnerships. If you want to attract my attention, do it the old fashion way - pay for it. Buy adds on hosting directory sites and sites like WHT where I frequent. Then, maybe, just maybe I would be interested. But to send an email, not to my business address, but my personal address and to do it 5 times with the same exact content each time, but not just the same content that I had received, but the same content that every other host that got this spam received is just a bit over the top.

Originally posted by Chicken
Anyone 'round here offer hosting services?

:D :cool: :stickout
You made my day!

Originally posted by Angel78


ermmm NO, i assume that UK is where Comodo-ppl are located, right? and since UK is the part of the EU, only OPT-IN lists are allowed ( so a simple opt out link is not enough to start spamming), so this fact makes them spammers no mather how their certificates are good. :rolleyes:

Ahhh... Whatever. It was just my thoughts. Im boored of this now.
:yawn:

Originally posted by mlovick

Paul: You should have a system in place which allows a very easy one click route for people to get themselves off your list. This would be a good solution.

That would be a horrible solution. "Opt-out" spam, as it is known, is no better than spam that comes through with no remove link at all.

-Bob

errr no wonder they market in this way ...

have you seen the price of their certs?!

they are one sixth of the price I have recently been paying

how can they be making any money to afford advertising

frank

Originally posted by frank zorro
errr no wonder they market in this way ...

have you seen the price of their certs?!

they are one sixth of the price I have recently been paying

how can they be making any money to afford advertising

frank

So, the end justifies the means? No, it doesn't. Call it spam, junk mail, whatever you like, it doesn't really matter what you call it. The fact is that it is wrong and unappreciated by most people. I call it BAD BUSINESS PRACTICES. I suggest Comodo get a clue. The Comodo guy knows better. He's using faulty logic and just trying to feed us "bolognie". I don't know about you, but I got sick of bolognie a long time ago.

Chicken made some great points.

That's my big beef with these guys. The first one was glanced at and binned under 'not interested' That should have been the end of it. The second one got spam-copped, and the third got a reply from me to Paul pointing him here with a polite note to not contact us again.

Look at it in a real world situation. Sometimes people aren't interested in what you have to say. Saying the same thing 2,3 or 10 times, won't make it any more interesting regardless of what you think.

Webhosting companies by definition have to read a lot of e-mail each day. If you sent it to a webhost there's an extremely good chance it got read. If you didn't get a response, then you're probably not going to get one. Sending more will only get the fur up on anyone who has to re-read it.

Greg Moore

so I think we agree its not spam, but they must not keep sending even if we ignore them

I've just checked out their web site more and reading all the other comments on the board, it does seem that they have got a good offer (damn shame really, it would have been so much easier if we could have slagged off their products/price)

We all have this marketing problem ... and we know people are over sensitive to mails and what's said and how it's said on the forums etc

I have struggled to find suitable places to market my services (SSL related stuff) since costs are high and returns generally crap ... I've done CPM, CPC, CPA blah blah

Where is it reasonable (cheap!) for people to market their products to hosting companies?

Please don't say Google or Overture .... soon these guys will be the only people making money on the internet if we let this continue

Where is it reasonable (cheap!) for people to market their products to hosting companies?

I had a (not hosting related - but industry isn't the point) website that I wanted to share with others in that same industry. What did I do? I took the time to find other companies on the Web by actually visiting their sites, that I felt would be interested in working with me. Then, I wrote an individual email to each one, explaining who I was, what I was doing, and why I thought a relationship between the two of us, citing specific examples, would be good. At the end of the email, I added one line saying that if they did not reply, that was just fine. I would not contact them again.

What did I not do?

I did not write a form letter to send out to all recipients at once.

I did not contact anyone again who did not reply to me.

I did not indiscriminately send email to every single webmaster in the industry.

That, to me, is the real issue at hand. I do not believe an individual email sent to another person in the same business is spam. It is not spam to initiate a business relationship by email. Think about it. We all receive emails from potential customers wanting to establish business relationships with us.

The problem is when you combine "UCE" with "Bulk".

IMO, the email in question in this thread had 2 problems:

1) It was a bulk mailing. This, alone, makes the email spam, imo, regardless of the sender's intent. (Gee... Who has ever gotten a spam email that starts off "This is spam.")

2) Multiple copies. This, to me, is just further evidence of the used of a harvested, indiscriminate, list.

don't you guys think this thread has gone long enough!!! ??? for people who buy SSL i think ability to buy it at $49 is a great saving. for others who don't use SSL: Comodo stop sending email to them! Comodo's competitors: stop complaining about comodo at every opportunity because you wont be able to screw the customers by overcharging and provide a crap support (if any). Imagine, with the monies collected from, mainly webhosts, the founder of Thawte (now Verisign, who is the biggest spammer of all and even has legal action against it) went to Space for holiday paying $3M a day for it! The only holiday Comodo people can afford is a weekend in a tent on their backyard, with the amount they charge;)

on that note, how about us webhosts charging like Verisign charges for their certs for our hosting so that we too can go to space :D

Originally posted by hosty
don't you guys think this thread has gone long enough!!! ??? for people who buy SSL i think ability to buy it at $49 is a great saving. for others who don't use SSL: Comodo stop sending email to them! Comodo's competitors: stop complaining about comodo at every opportunity because you wont be able to screw the customers by overcharging and provide a crap support (if any). Imagine, with the monies collected from, mainly webhosts, the founder of Thawte (now Verisign, who is the biggest spammer of all and even has legal action against it) went to Space for holiday paying $3M a day for it! The only holiday Comodo people can afford is a weekend in a tent on their backyard, with the amount they charge;)

on that note, how about us webhosts charging like Verisign charges for their certs for our hosting so that we too can go to space :D

Give me a break. Hide behind a new name.

We are not talking about the fact that their Certs are cheap. I think they have a great deal on certs. It is the fact that they keep sending email to us over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over..... Want me to continue?

I am not defending Thawte or Verisign for their actions either, but two wrongs don't make a right now does it?

"Well they do it, why can't I"

so I think we agree its not spam, but they .....

ermm NO, it is a spam

I hate emails that I get sent that have so called Opt-Out links or remove links. If I never signed up for it, like hell am I gonna click there as all it does is tell the spammer that my email account is active!

James

Also, I hate it when their include HTML in their emails that opens an image pointing to a unique URL on their server that is really logging you received it.

Crafty!

James

If it looks like crap, smells like crap, squishes under ones feet like crap, costs me money to remove like crap . . . .
IT'S CRAP!!!!
And guess what? SPAM IS CRAP!

I wouldn't care if the stupid certs were free, I would never associate myself with such a person who will justify emailing me this CRAP. and certainly never give them one thin dime.

and to mlovick who would dare suggest that we should buy his junky certs to make the spam stop: Are you nUTz?

Shame on anyone who spams.
Shame on anyone who calls it something else.
and Shame one anyone who purchases anything as a result of it.

My email box, is mine, all mine, and you are not entitled to stuff it as you see fit.

...and blah, blah, blah, blah. :D

So many chips, so many shoulders. And I bet half of you haven't felt the power of a true spammer. :rolleyes:

We'll be dealing with Comodo because of these emails. We are in business, this is a business opportunity. I guess some people are too blind or blinded with weird geeky ideals.

And I dare you you to lecture me about spam because we've been through the mill.

Originally posted by ATST
.........and Shame one anyone who purchases anything as a result of it.

Mate, you realise how ridiculous you sound? There's spam and there's blurb, know what I mean? ;)

May the flames rise. :D

Originally posted by NexDog
And I bet half of you haven't felt the power of a true spammer.

If only you knew - although apparently, you already think you do.

We'll be dealing with Comodo because of these emails. We are in business, this is a business opportunity. I guess some people are too blind or blinded with weird geeky ideals.

If employing ethical business/advertising practices and common courtesy are "weird geeky ideals", then I guess several of us are just weird geeky people.

A smart businessman with his eyes open and ear to the ground would know that comodo isn't the only one offering the same deal on SSL certs. However, if it makes you proud to support spam by supporting the spammer rather than businesses who take an ethical stance, then there's nothing that anyone here can say, is there?

And I dare you you to lecture me about spam because we've been through the mill.

You've obviously learned tremendously from the experience..

-Bob

Oh just because you have recieved spam, that makes you the expert, and the rest of us should tolerate it so you can get a good deal? Tell you what, why don't you spam providers of ssl's or whatever it is you want, and ask them for special pricing?
That will save the rest of the internet the trouble deleting the crap off our servers. Of course I'll never get the Bandwidth back, now will I?
I am not nice to spammers, never have been, never will be.
Here is just a couple of things I did to them, besides publishing their email address on my site for the spammers and spambots to pick up, as well as anyone else who choses to give them a piece of their mind.
I got one in ALL my email boxes, and wrote him back.
"First of all, the reason I have a contact page is so that people who need to, can contact me. On that page are several email adresses which I use to define what type of issues the person may wish to discuss.
IT IS NOT THERE FOR IDIOTS USING AOL (not a REAL ISP by the way) TO EMAIL EACH ONE TELLING ME TO SET UP A LINKS PAGE TO GET FREE ADVERTISING OR WHATEVER.
I already have a links page, Thank you very much, and I hand pick the links on it. That way, I protect my visitors from "cookie dumping, get rich quick, by stuffing your pages with ads" type of people which YOU remind me of.
Had you politely sent me ONE email to ONE address, I may have read it, if I had time. I may even have been impressed with it, or whatever you are offering, but I doubt it now.
I see you have also spammed among others, a Large Mustang Site. Like we need YOUR advice? How about some tips for you?
Maybe you should have gotten with your AOL account, a book called "Internet for Dummies", (probably available on http://www.amazon.com) which would have told you not to SPAM people.
Get it, read it, and then THINK before you hit that SEND button.
Thank you and have a nice day, ATST"
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Another such Co. that got a bunch of our email addresses off a mailing list, and I replied telling him that he should pay the webmaster to advertise on his Site instead of trying to weasle and reap the rewards of the Webmasters hard work building the Site and the list. I even posted my letter with permission to all who didn't want to write their own, to copy it and email it to the offender.
After about 1,000 emails, they begged the webmaster of that site to ask us to stop emailing him.
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Then there was the time I got 177 spam emails from three bulk emailers. I followed the removal procedure, on the site I found when I did a trace route on who the provider was, but to no avail, so I set that address to foward all emails to the admin @ the highest level domain in the chain I could trace it to.
I figure their autoresponder will keep responding to every email I would have gotten as it gets forwarded to them, multiplied by all the autoresponses I would have gotten as they get forwarded too! After two weeks, I took off the foward, and no more spam.
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In the future though, I am just going to bill them, like this guy.

http://www.farces.com/farces/stories/storyReader$163

And I bet half of you haven't felt the power of a true spammer.If only you knew the power of the dark side.

Wow, my little post has sure taken off.

Die spammers, die!

-Matt

"Anyone who speaks german couldn't be bad, parole granted!" -Simpsons

Darn I thought we were special when we got it :D

I hate spam the real stuff and the e-mail variety both.

Robert

Actually cooked spam isn't that bad.

Cooked spammers tenderized with a meat mallet is better.

-Matt

:D :D :D

Well I can tell you I hate Spam more than most people.. Growing up my parents used to slice the spam, fry it up and put it on a hambuger roll toped with pork and beans and melted American Cheese. YUCK!!! so you see I hate it more than anyone..:puke:

Robert

Originally posted by ATST
If it looks like crap, smells like crap, squishes under ones feet like crap, costs me money to remove like crap . . . .
IT'S CRAP!!!!
And guess what? SPAM IS CRAP!

I wouldn't care if the stupid certs were free, I would never associate myself with such a person who will justify emailing me this CRAP. and certainly never give them one thin dime.

and to mlovick who would dare suggest that we should buy his junky certs to make the spam stop: Are you nUTz?

Shame on anyone who spams.
Shame on anyone who calls it something else.
and Shame one anyone who purchases anything as a result of it.

My email box, is mine, all mine, and you are not entitled to stuff it as you see fit.

Oi... Who you calling nuts. Get some respect! I am entitled to my opinion and that is just what they are opinions - it does not mean you have to agree with them. This board is about healthy discussion NOT insulting people you dont know.

SO WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT ATST!

I've recieved 2 of these emails thus far. Pretty lame.

Originally posted by GWDGuy

Well I can tell you I hate Spam more than most people.. Growing up my parents used to slice the spam, fry it up and put it on a hambuger roll toped with pork and beans and melted American Cheese. YUCK!!! so you see I hate it more than anyone..:puke:

Have you ever seen the actual SPAM website (http://www.spam.com) ? You've gotta love a company with a sense of humor like that.

Here's some more SPAM facts (http://www.modernsurf.com/spam/)

But wait, there's even more! (http://www.johnhorner.org/spamfact.htm)


Enjoy :D

-Bob

Have you ever seen the actual SPAM website
Oooh.. That music. :D Well that cheered me up. So how do they get that down multiple gigabit fibre channels:?:

Now for a friday movie ;)

mlovick, here in the US, asking some if they are nuts, is a friendly way of say "think about what you are saying." (or 'doing' as the case may be) Anyway it is not meant to be insulting, and I apoligise if you took it that way. (I didn't say "You are nuts")

now smile you're on candid camera.

Ahh.. Dont mind me ATST, I have calmed down now. I was just getting angry about this thread.

This board seems to get more like a place to slag people off rather than to debate all things hosting. With Comodo, I agree'd that I did not like their promotional tactics, and I agree that it is spam. See my first post on this thread.

What I am debating is why should a "Simpsons" style mob attack on them. They have a legitimate product which I have decided to re-sell. The reason - certainly not because I got three emails from them in one week, I got narked about that! The reason is - because it is a golden opportunity to earn more cash in this very competitive market.

And actually - I dont really care anymore, as if you are really that browned off at recieving a few lousy emails that a delete button can fix, the fact that you have rejected their offer based on this means that there is at least one less person selleing the same product I will be promoting. And that may possibly be good for me (not so good for Comodo).

So..what direction is this thread going in.

Quote from Mlovick:

This board is about healthy discussion NOT insulting people you dont know.


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You must be new to these boards then. I've been around here a while and there are a lot of people that feel real manly putting others down. They justify it by saying that they are entitled to their opinion. Well...wasn't Hitler entitled to his!

Simon

Iv been a member for one year and you have been a member for 7 months - what has that got to do with anything Simon?

Quote from Mlovick:

This board is about healthy discussion NOT insulting people you dont know.

I think you will find that this board is for discussion and NOT for insulting people, read the board rules.

... I need some coffee ;)

Originally posted by mlovick
Iv been a member for one year and you have been a member for 7 months - what has that got to do with anything Simon?



I think you will find that this board is for discussion and NOT for insulting people, read the board rules.

... I need some coffee ;)

mlovick, I completely agree with you. This board should not be for insulting anyone.

These threads are just a difference of opinion, that is all, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Thankyou ljprevo, I was beninning to think there was something wrong with me. Mybe the wrong aftershave or somthing :D

Glad to see we are back on topic

Simon

Ps..Not Spam...well maybe..Oh..OK then..SPAM.

Originally posted by ATST
Oh just because you have recieved spam, that makes you the expert, and the rest of us should tolerate it so you can get a good deal?
You aren't understanding. Do you run, work for or represent a host? I am no expert but I have spent many hours rooting through qmail logs in the search for spammers. I have had to recompile qmail after a spam attack killed it.

Ever had to delete mail queues to the annoyance of your clients because someone spammed Yahoo, who banned your IPs but the mail server still tries to send 3 times to timeout each time before dumping while other legit mail queues up to be sent, effectively shutting down the mail server?

This is the evil of spam, mate. Live it, learn from it, understand it. :rolleyes: