which one is the best overall? I have a dedicated win 2000 server.
Somebody told me you need a *nix server for the h-sphere cp..
tell me what you think and what I should go with. Could I install different cp's on the same server?

You can install hosting controller (http:www.hostingcontroller.com) on Win2k server.

Most people say (I personally have no experience) that hosting controller is very buggy.

I suggest you take a look at ensim's windows panel. There is another nice looking panel from a member called Matt. I forgot the info, search the archive to see if you can find it.

And yes, h-sphere does require at least one Unix server.

Peter

http://www.webservercp.com

That looks like a good one.

Im also developing one, should have a beta in arround a month.

Check out Ensim, they have a new CP for Windows

anybody know if the ensim one for windows is good?

I had a look at it.
I don't like a couple of things about it. And its very expensive.

I need something with alot of features
and it shouldn't be to pricey either

There seems to be a few being planned or developed at the moment. There is one in particular that is well worth waiting for. I think a couple of people have seen it but can not say to much about it except what it does.

Its a real shocker though. I firmly believe it will be a player which will shake things up a bit. It's win2K only, but the most powerful control system I've seen.

Hi Adam_S,

Can you give us "any" details (eg URL) on this one that will be a "real shocker" ;)

will it be expensive?

another thing, I need one now, so which one would you recommend and why?
I can still upgrade later....

I haven't seen any price but I'm definately going to get it. I'm not sure what I can and can't say about it, I've been told not tell the world in my excitement until they announce all the details, but it's called Helm, its win2k and its true multi server!! Its a massive system!!

I can't pass on the URL because I will probably get into trouble saying what I have already!.

When I tried it out it one thing that stood out to me was that it didn't enforce a way my business should run like all the others I've seen. I looking forward to see if other peoples faces light up as much as mine did when its finally annouced!

Hurry up guys! :)

Hi Adam_S,

Could you pass this post onto "them" so "they" can see we all are very interested in this!!

Also works for Win2k... You can check them out at www.psoft.net.

Hal

I found all the currant win2k control panels very limiting so i decided to create my own.
It will separate biz logic from everything else thuse allowing you to intergrate with your currant system.
The front end is in asp and backend is components.
There will be full documentation for the compoenents thuse allowing any asp programmer to customize the CP.

Our web site will be online soon. We will be looking for beta testers and are also looking for idea's, features ect.
Things you would like included.

Thanks
Jbuckle

PS. we also hope to offer a free version!!!

Also works for Win2k... You can check them out at www.psoft.com.
I think the correct URL is www.psoft.net

Peter

I think you need a unix/linux server before you can run that cp!

I don't like a couple of things about it. And its very expensive.Really, they are like $99

so I need 2 servers to for h-sphere right?
a win2k and a *nix
correct me if I am wrong...

Originally posted by acieeed
Hi Adam_S,

Could you pass this post onto "them" so "they" can see we all are very interested in this!!

I sent them a link to this thread and got a small telling off back, but I'm still alive so not the end of world. They showed me the website about Helm and it doesn't look far off completion so I think they are going to put that out soon which means I can post a URL once they have.

You might be able to tell that I'm well excited! Its the first control panel that I think will really work for us. :D

I'm wondering who else they have shown. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Originally posted by Adam_S
I haven't seen any price but I'm definately going to get it. I'm not sure what I can and can't say about it, I've been told not tell the world in my excitement until they announce all the details, but it's called Helm, its win2k and its true multi server!! Its a massive system!!

I can't pass on the URL because I will probably get into trouble saying what I have already!.

When I tried it out it one thing that stood out to me was that it didn't enforce a way my business should run like all the others I've seen. I looking forward to see if other peoples faces light up as much as mine did when its finally annouced!

Hurry up guys! :)

I've had the privilage of a preview as well and its the feckin bomb.....

it'll basically kill any other win2k CP on the market so i cant wait to get me mits on it ;)

Cheers,

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I thought that Ensim for Windows start off at $179 on their website. How do you get it for $99 ?

https://buy.ensim.com/items.asp?skus=wpw

ok...what do you recommend me now?

..try the demos, download the trials and see what you like best.

Control panels are sometimes a love hate relationships. Some like it done in one way while others dont.

As for pricing, I think most add up to the same at the end of the day. They can't be far off. If you're having a tough time deciding what to go with, then start by asking yourself what features are you looking and then narrow down from the list of available panels on the market.

Some panels are strong in certain areas while not on others. Some have strong reseller capabilities, while others don't.

Also, look out for stuff like support for multiple subdomains and whether or not there are hard limits on the maximum number of domains allowed to be hosted with the panel. While these are not necessarily an issue with regular hosting (i.e I dont think you would want to put more than 250 domains on a Win2k server), they are nonetheless nice to have from marketing point of view if you're using the server for reselling shared accounts.

Good luck in your search and do let us know what you've decided to go with

-mat

Some like it done in one way while others dont.

Thats why i'm looking forward to Helm so much. What I was shown was that is doesn't have a "way".

I agree with jonny. It's going to really make tidel waves in the control panel pond!

Does it also works with Unix?

Peter

Originally posted by ckpeter
Does it also works with Unix?

Peter

Not AFAIK.....they had mentioned integrating it at some time and providing a joint platform panel which would be nice.....

given the number of Linux CP's out there i doubt its top of the priority list but i'm sure a *proper* joint panel would grab a few peoples attention!

Cheers,

I see.

The reason I asked is because what seems (at least to me) so exciting about this new control panel is not the fact that it runs on windows, but the way you guys has decribed it as extremely flexible and powerful structure. Obviously, it would be best if such a infrastructure can be used and integrate both Unix and Windows.

Peter

v.true peter....

its something i'd like to see happen....obviously their main objective is to get it up on win2k first as theres a real lack of good CP's available....

the port to unix would be best served in jsp ( well i think for portabilities sake anyway ) but we'll see what approach they take.....

a joint CP is a rare thing unless its an in house product and even then its just unix with a few crap calls to enable the windows side so it would be good to see a versitile cross platform system....

also...given the time its taken to get the JagPC panel together...these guys have written the most powerful windows CP in a matter of months.....i cant see it taking much longer to get the cross platform version in action ;)

Cheers,

Writting a windows CP isn't that hard. You just need to know what you are doing.
Most of the work is done for you, you just need to make sure that your data structure is strong and your interface is good.
Im working on 2 projects a windows CP and freeBSD/Linux CP.
The windows CP will not be long :-)

There will be free versions of both (for non profit or testing)

Thanks

Jbuckle

funny that though....writing a windows CP might not be *hard* but nobody has released one yet that isnt a hack or a load of kak......

there isnt a single panel out there for win2k that deserves a pricetag so why has it taken so long?

simple...its not easy...its easy to interface with IIS....thats not a control panel...merely a hack using standard MS commands to talk to IIS through a browser....

the challange is enabling clustering, seperate servers ( ie. web, dns, mail, .net, frontpage etc.... ) scalibility, updatibility and numerous factors......

x years down the line there still isnt one worth looking at...and theres plenty trying but failing miserably...whether its because of price or sheer crapness....

Like i said...wait until August and make up your own mind....i doubt any other panel will come close for a long time....

Cheers,

I know you can't say much but I'm about to bite the bullet with H-sphere and if something better is on the horizon I can wait..

Will it support integrated billing and automatic CC charging?

Originally posted by jammin
I know you can't say much but I'm about to bite the bullet with H-sphere and if something better is on the horizon I can wait..

Will it support integrated billing and automatic CC charging?

Jammin,

yes..fully supports billing and has a support desk & knowledge base built in......which is nice ;)

Cheers,

I haven't seen anything missing yet.. makes a change! It has a few features I didn't expect/think of as well.

Hey Jonny!

This cp certainly sounds good :) Do think this August date will stick? As we all know time scales in this biz are always moving :rolleyes: But I am certainly keen to find out more on this ;)

Cheers

yes...AFAIK....

they've been on track to date so i cant see there being any issues come August ;)

Cheers,

how many (good) different win 2k cp's are there?

As far as I can tell the only real windows cps out there are:

Ensim's new Win2k Panel
Psoft's HSpehere
Hosting Controller

I don't think Plesk can control Windows 2000?

Whether you'd call any of them good is up to you. Out of all those Hosting Controller seems to be the only, what I would call "pure", windows 2k panel. The rest are ports from linux and in the case of HSphere don't you even need to run the panel on a linux machine for it to work?

There are a couple more;
http://www.webservercp.com
A new one called h something (A couple of months),
And one i am writing (shouold be done in a couple of months)

Thanks
Jbuckle

anybody had any bad/good experiences with these cp's?

Hosting controller not realy my cup of tea (crappy)
ensim not realy my kind of panel (Not crap)

Wait for Helm :cool: First, second and third impressions are.. it rocks!! I'm so looking forward to it.

Hi,

Do you know why is Helm such a secret if it is going to be released in a couple of months? It would be nice to know it really is real :D

As I'm not sure if I can actually wait that long for the CP :(

Cheers

I am writing my own. And so far so good.
Mine will totaly ROCK :-) because;
I have a number of hosting companys helping in the development!!
I am very good at coding :-)
I have a good team of programmers to help :-)

I will also be releasing a FREE version :-) (for testing and non profit organisations)

Originally posted by dch
Hi,

Do you know why is Helm such a secret if it is going to be released in a couple of months? It would be nice to know it really is real :D

As I'm not sure if I can actually wait that long for the CP :(

Cheers

AFAIK they're releasing the website this month sometime....
no point in talking about something for 2 years before releasing it so they're waiting until its practically released before getting the hype going!

Cheers,

I think that is complete rubish sorry!!
A good control panel would have input from the people that are going to buy it.
Every step of the development should have END-USER input.
Thats how we are told to do it.
Without user input the project is going to fail or need alot of releases untill it is up to standard.
I think some of the developers here should go back to collecge and do ICT.

Im not pointing the finger to helm, i don't know if they have had alot of end-user input or not. But to get a good CP thats how it should be done.

Thanks
Jbuckle

lol.....well i've news for you there....

we're to be the first data centre with the CP installed, it has been written with our input for over 2 years now so thats as good as you can get with 'end user input'......

As we do dedicated, colocation and reseller accounts all areas have been covered so it will suit any and all of the above!

Cheers,

Good to hear :-)

We have been helping with developing their requirements aswell over the last 2+ years since we specialise in personal web site solutions.

I know that they had been speaking to other people who are using different control panels to see what they do and don't like aswell.

I think that is more than most... Or at least more than most seem to have done.

By the way whats ICT an acronym for? lol... there is way too many in software engineering! :D

Information communication technology :-)

lol...we should get together Adam_S and bargain them down on some bulk pricing ;)

Cheers,

Originally posted by jbuckle
Information communication technology :-)


LOL!! Sounds like a mixture of the usual pool of techie words! :D

I had a casual conversation just now with one of them. They are all full time, qualified software designers and engineers. No students there. Figures really. You can pretty much tell from the time i've spent taking to them. They certainly act professional, stick to what they say and Helm definately has its quality feel.

Jonny b, Sure ;) I've been trying to negotiate already.

Hi Guys,

Any news on this prommising Windows control panel "Helm"?

I need to make a desition soon about wich control panel use on my new win2k servers or if I am going to use one of them at all...

Please, let me know when you have something...

Thanks

I noticed that their site and forum is up. I'm guessing its public.

http://www.webhostautomation.com

I found their forum at http://www.webhostautomation.com/forum

You may like to see http://forum.hostingcontroller.com/viewforum.asp?forum_id=2&cat_id=1&topic_id=890&cat_name=General+Discussions&topic_name=HC+Defaced+by+Hacker&mode=iVRjLgbcVP&c_status=sNYfR&t_status=sNYfR

I'm interested in H-sphere, how much does it run for? I was told I need to invest 2 - 3,000 dollars. I was wondering from some experienced purchasers. Thanks everyone. :)

You can look up the pricing on psoft's site. If you want to purchase, however, you should look up a reseller. They have better pricing and also requires less minimum purchase amount.

Even if you go with psoft, that's no more than $500 of initial investment.

Peter