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YUPAPA 06-12-2002, 10:45 AM WHO Believes in that?
YES
- Please explain how that works!
NO (Is not real)
- Why not?
Please don't close this thread because I want to observe the results.
PS: Who removed my sh*t survey in the Chat Forum? :mad:
Paul-UKWSD 06-12-2002, 11:04 AM This should be pretty one sided on this forum as most people who visit this forum have more common sense, unlimited is not possible.
Why? Unless you have had your HDD sprinkled with magic pixy dust it will run out of space sooner or later ;)
YUPAPA 06-12-2002, 11:10 AM THANK YOU THANK YOU... :)
Why do I have 2 votes for "YES"? .. :D
Host Ultra 06-12-2002, 11:13 AM Originally posted by YUPAPA
WHO Believes in that?
YES
- Please explain how that works!
NO (Is not real)
- Why not?
Please don't close this thread because I want to observe the results.
PS: Who removed my sh*t survey in the Chat Forum? :mad:
YES YES YES YES!
I offer unlimited space and bandwidth for free and the largest account is 400MB
It works as in i can get more servers as they fill up quicker then you can fill it up
There is no limit to the number of servers i can get :D
Phoenix 06-12-2002, 11:26 AM Yes, regarding it's actual definition
No, regarding the way it's being misused
We were talking about this on webhostdir just the other day. The problem with unlimited is that it's being used to mislead consumers into believing they are getting something they are not.
Unlimited seems to confuse the heck out of people, mostly because it's a term that's not being used properly or defined in TOS. It means that "we won't stop you from consuming services beyond what is included in your service plan, but once you get beyond what is included you will be charged based on additional usage, and you cannot consume beyond what the provider is capable of providing to an individual customer". It doesn't mean "pay one rate and consume as much as you want". It never has.
It was first used in conjunction with BBS and timeshare access, and then Internet access, which is how it's worked its way into web hosting's lexicon.
In the beginning, when dinosaurs ruled the earth and access speeds were measured in baud rate, there were limits placed on usage. You could only consume so much of the system or service's resources. I used to belong to a FreeNet that allowed you X amount of usage per month, period. There was no way to get more. This was limited.
Other services didn't place an upper limit on usage. However, if you went over the fixed amount of usage you were paying for (or getting free in some cases) you had to pay for excess usage. These were known as unlimited.
To the people who used the services at that time, what mattered was that you could access the service for as many hours per month as you needed. These were not general consumers, they were computer professionals and hobbyists, students, scientists, etc. Paying more for additional hours was worth it.
An example:
Back in the day, AOL allowed unlimited interactive (you had to be actually interacting with the service, not just letting your connection sit idle) usage. You got 10 hours per month, and you could use as many hours as you wanted, but you had to pay $3.00/hour after that first 10.
Now, AOL uses a different pricing model, a consumer-oriented flat rate service, that allows the customer to use as many hours as they want without excess usage charges-there is a limit, though, as there are only 744 hours in a 31 day month. AOL does not call their service unlimited (it is "without hourly fees", but it is perceived as unlimited by consumers.
And that's where the confusion stems from. Unlimited to an old-school online user means you won't be stopped from using extra resources, but you'll have to pay for it at a metered rate. Unlimited to a consumer means you can use it as much as you want, and not have to pay a cent past the flat rate.
So offering unlimited services is honest, provided the word unlimited is not being used to trick consumers into believing they are getting an all you can eat buffet, when they are being charged for every item after the first plateful, and that eventually they will be cut off from taking any more helpings. And, you let them know what those extra charges are. And, because resources are finite by their very nature, they need to know when excess consumption is considered gluttony.
YUPAPA 06-12-2002, 11:32 AM THANK YOU THANK YOU Phoenix... so in this case, that hostultra thing is just a trick??
Host Ultra 06-12-2002, 11:35 AM My hosting is FREE
I dont charge for overages or any of the tricks Phoenix mentioned
My terms of service clearly explains what you can and cannot do with your space.
janderk 06-12-2002, 11:44 AM I voted Yes, because I sincerely believe some people's stupidness is unlimited ;)
JD
okihost 06-12-2002, 12:01 PM Originally posted by Host Ultra
YES YES YES YES!
I offer unlimited space and bandwidth for free and the largest account is 400MB
It works as in i can get more servers as they fill up quicker then you can fill it up
There is no limit to the number of servers i can get :D
:erm:
gnorthey00 06-12-2002, 12:01 PM HotUltra:
hostultra.com does not want to receive confidential or proprietary information from you through our web site or e-mail addresses. Please note that any information or material sent to hostultra.com or any of its related sites, services, or e-mail addresses will be deemed NOT to be confidential. By sending hostultra.com any information or material, you grant hostultra.com an unrestricted, irrevocable license to use, reproduce, display, perform, modify, transmit and distribute those materials or information, and you also agree that hostultra.com is free to use any ideas, concepts, know-how or techniques that you send us for any purpose.
Is this how you pay for the free accounts? Sell names and email addresses to other companies on top of advertising. Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with doing so as long as users know that it will happen.
I don't see anything about your bandwidth and disk space except minimum of 10 unique visitors per week, and file limit of 1 MB.
Just out of curiosity, does your business model work? DO you make good profit on the ads?
YUPAPA 06-12-2002, 12:11 PM Originally posted by gnorthey00
Just out of curiosity, does your business model work? DO you make good profit on the ads?
Originally posted by Host Ultra
It works as in i can get more servers as they fill up quicker then you can fill it up
Host Ultra 06-12-2002, 12:13 PM Ok i just worked out some calculations which i think are correct
I have a rackshack server which costs me $120 per month for 400GB bandwidth
so thats
1 gig of bandwidth costs me $0.30
I get a $5 CPM with my advertiser for popup ads on hosted sites
that works out at approx
60 unique hits = $0.30 = 1GB bandwidth
thats about 16.66MB per visitor
so each visitor to my hosted sites pays (by way of getting a popup) $0.005 which buys them 16.66MB of bandwidth
Now MOST people who visit a site just view the first page and see its not what they were looking for and leaves
so lets say 1 in 10 actually go on to view the site
that pumps it up to 166.66MB bandwidth per visitor that actually browses though the site
Remember for every unique vistor that uses under 16.66MB then i make a PROFIT! :D
jnphosting 06-12-2002, 01:35 PM <<Removed: PM or email any and all questions>>
DavidC 06-12-2002, 02:14 PM I'd never feel safe on an "unlimited" host.
My advice is - if you're doing serious business, stay away from those hosts.
Phoenix 06-12-2002, 02:18 PM Originally posted by YUPAPA
THANK YOU THANK YOU Phoenix... so in this case, that hostultra thing is just a trick??
Unlimited space and bandwidth is balanced out in the TOS by restricting files larger than 1MB, as well as any type of file or activity that would result in high space and/or bandwidth usage.
And, it's free. So who can complain about something that they are not paying for?
YUPAPA 06-12-2002, 03:43 PM Originally posted by jnphosting
<<snip>>
<<Removed: Contact via PM or email, not the forum>>
Please use PM instead of posting your host here in the future.
gnorthey00 06-12-2002, 04:21 PM I am starting a host with Unlimited disk space (bandwidth will have a limit)
I have ordered the Compaq Unlimited Terminal running Win2k. It has unlimited RAM, unlimited Ghz, and unlimited internal data bandwidth. It uses gigabit ethernet from Intel, so I will only need a few servers to host all of the customers I will get.
The best feature of all is the UNLIMITED HARD DISK.
Compaq has informed me this morning that the machine is almost ready to go, they are just waitning for the hard disk format to complete.
:):):):):):):):)
Paul-UKWSD 06-12-2002, 04:23 PM Originally posted by gnorthey00
I am starting a host with Unlimited disk space (bandwidth will have a limit)
I have ordered the Compaq Unlimited Terminal running Win2k. It has unlimited RAM, unlimited Ghz, and unlimited internal data bandwidth. It uses gigabit ethernet from Intel, so I will only need a few servers to host all of the customers I will get.
The best feature of all is the UNLIMITED HARD DISK.
Compaq has informed me this morning that the machine is almost ready to go, they are just waitning for the hard disk format to complete.
:):):):):):):):)
LOL! :D
Host Ultra 06-12-2002, 04:37 PM Originally posted by gnorthey00
I am starting a host with Unlimited disk space (bandwidth will have a limit)
I have ordered the Compaq Unlimited Terminal running Win2k. It has unlimited RAM, unlimited Ghz, and unlimited internal data bandwidth. It uses gigabit ethernet from Intel, so I will only need a few servers to host all of the customers I will get.
The best feature of all is the UNLIMITED HARD DISK.
Compaq has informed me this morning that the machine is almost ready to go, they are just waitning for the hard disk format to complete.
:):):):):):):):)
That might take a while :laugh:
But seriously why cant you understand the concept behind unlimited?
I can buy an UNLIMITED number of servers
There isnt a such thing as an unlimited hard drive but you can buy and unlimited number of hard drives :stickout
UmBillyCord 06-12-2002, 04:39 PM The ONLY thing unlimited is the number of threads and post about unlimited on WHT.
YUPAPA 06-12-2002, 04:41 PM Originally posted by UmBillyCord
The ONLY thing unlimited is the number of threads and post about unlimited on WHT.
You don't want me to start a new one?? :bawling:
I want to have my own UNLIMITED thread. They are very popular here. PLUS I want to see the reasons and ppl point of view about UNLIMITED.
Host Ultra 06-12-2002, 04:41 PM Originally posted by UmBillyCord
The ONLY thing unlimited is the number of threads and post about unlimited on WHT.
Are you saying that WHT has an unlimited hard drive to store an unlimited number of threads? :rolleyes:
Constance 06-12-2002, 04:45 PM Originally posted by gnorthey00
I am starting a host with Unlimited disk space (bandwidth will have a limit)
:rolleyes: If you set a bandwidth limit, say, 3 GB, then obviously, the user can't have a site that's more than 3 GB. Otherwise, the site would be over its bandwidth limit with one visitor.
YUPAPA 06-12-2002, 04:45 PM Originally posted by Host Ultra
But seriously why cant you understand the concept behind unlimited?
If I understand the concept, I wouldn't make this thread...
YUPAPA 06-12-2002, 04:47 PM Originally posted by Constance
:rolleyes: If you set a bandwidth limit, say, 3 GB, then obviously, the user can't have a site that's more than 3 GB. Otherwise, the site would be over its bandwidth limit with one visitor.
Why not?
They can store files and have no hits... Transfer do not matters to them..
Host Ultra 06-12-2002, 04:47 PM Originally posted by YUPAPA
If I understand the concept, I wouldn't make this thread...
I wasnt directing that question at you
I meant it to be to the people who think there is no such thing as unlimited
YUPAPA 06-12-2002, 04:49 PM Originally posted by Host Ultra
I wasnt directing that question at you
I meant it to be to the people who think there is no such thing as unlimited
And I am one of those ppl who think there is no such thing as unlimited. That question was directed to me. BUT I am curious to those who says UNLIMITED exists. I would like to hear some opinons from others...
Originally posted by Host Ultra
I meant it to be to the people who think there is no such thing as unlimited
There isn't DAMMIT!
That's it i'm pissed...:angry: :angry:
I'm signing up for a hosting account with you and I'm up loading seriously 10 GB of files...
The thing is you can't stop me because YOU'RE OFFERING UNLIMITED SPACE AND BW...
If you say you offer it you have to give to me... HAVE TO:angry:
Host Ultra 06-12-2002, 04:56 PM Originally posted by 311
There isn't DAMMIT!
That's it i'm pissed...:angry: :angry:
I'm signing up for a hosting account with you and I'm up loading seriously 10 GB of files...
The thing is you can't stop me because YOU'RE OFFERING UNLIMITED SPACE AND BW...
If you say you offer it you have to give to me... HAVE TO:angry:
Sure thats no problem
Just make sure you read the terms of service first
depending on what those "files" are html or images or downloads
acidHL 06-12-2002, 05:00 PM Unlimited Servers?
Its not physically possible to have unlimited of any material - sure that would defy the laws of physics - its a space thing you see! :stickout:
But seriously... how will you afford unlimited servers? With a supply of unlimited money?
Originally posted by Host Ultra
Sure thats no problem
Just make sure you read the terms of service first
depending on what those "files" are html or images or downloads
I was exaggerating just a *bit*
But it's a static site, perfectly legal according to your terms, but it gets a few hits a month... (500 Gb of traffic in total)
Host Ultra 06-12-2002, 05:03 PM Originally posted by acidHL
its a space thing you see! :stickout:
How big is space?
Originally posted by acidHL
But seriously... how will you afford unlimited servers? With a supply of unlimited money?
I will only buy another server when one is almost full
Therefore with the profits from the other servers will pay for another one which will make more money to buy the next one etc...
I am already onto my second server
Host Ultra 06-12-2002, 05:06 PM Originally posted by 311
I was exaggerating just a *bit*
But it's a static site, perfectly legal according to your terms, but it gets a few hits a month... (500 Gb of traffic in total)
I know you where
but if you were serious you do know that not everyone that visits your site is going to download the entire site
even on a DSL or cable connection it would take your visitors a long time to download
It's not mine It's a friends...
I'm totally serious, I just have to persaude him to switch from his dedicated. This could save him a lot of money you know...;)
It's 500 GB of trafic per month. Half a tera-byte. Few million hits per month...
Host Ultra 06-12-2002, 05:13 PM Originally posted by 311
It's not mine It's a friends...
I'm totally serious, I just have to persaude him to switch from his dedicated. This could save him a lot of money you know...;)
It's 500 GB of trafic per month. Half a tera-byte. Few million hits per month...
Yeah thats really no problem
If your switching from dedicated you know there is ADS on the free hosting
GlideTech 06-12-2002, 05:33 PM Anyone want to write me a shell script that will run wget for 10 consecutive days with no gap in between requests? :D
I would like to challenge the "unlimited" transfer gods. ;)
Host Ultra 06-12-2002, 05:40 PM Originally posted by GlideTech
Anyone want to write me a shell script that will run wget for 10 consecutive days with no gap in between requests? :D
I would like to challenge the "unlimited" transfer gods. ;)
Something like that would just get your IP banned from the server and a report to your ISP
Originally posted by Host Ultra
Something like that would just get your IP banned from the server and a report to your ISP
OH WELL :rolleyes:
It's worth it :D
Nedani 06-12-2002, 07:07 PM Ok i just worked out some calculations which i think are correct
Do you think his calculations are right?
Suppose he gets a site generating 400Gb trafic. He will have a lot of visitors and he would get enough money to buy another 400Gb and plenty of disk space. In this case a user will be able to consume as many resources as needed.
Trafic=>vistors=>ad views=>money=>2xTrafic
(unlimited loop :) )
Looks like a good story to me but I see a lot of posts against this. I use Opera (Reject pop-ups) and he will get no money from me but there are a lot of people not doing this. Can you tell me what is wrong with hostultra's calculations?
No flames. No taliban (if it is unlimited is wrong).
Just math and business.
Thank you.
gnorthey00 06-12-2002, 11:02 PM Uhhh... hate to break it to you, but Host Ultra is actually correct: (He is still wrong, see below)
If I provide unlimited service, that means that I could continually provide services (at cost or no cost). There is no forseeable end to my service as long as you pay for services and if you go over your 'allowance' of 25 hours of service per month, you'd have to pay additional fees. Still, there is no limit as far as I am concerned.
This does not necessarily relate to hosting, unlimited can be used for anything. My service could be watering lawns for your business whenever they need watered.
Then there is infinite. Infinite being the opposite of finite, in this use, having boundaries, or ending. THerefore infinite is having no end, or boundary. I cannot provide infinite service as I am limited to the hours in a month and the water in my truck.
Sum it up:
Unlimited: Having no limitations, restrictions
Infinite: Having no boundary, no end
But wait, does this mean tha Host Ultra is correct?
No: Since he provides an unlimited amount of bandwidth, there would be no restrictions or limitations on HIS part. But, in reading his TOS, he haas created scertain limitations and restrictions that protect him against bandwidth overages.
The problem with Unlimited is the context it is used. In hosting, the bandwidth is always refering to bandwidth allowance. My host, Hosting Matters, provides a hosting allowance of something like 9000 MB per month. However, I can buy addtional allowances for a cost to me. Hosting Matters will continue to provided an unlimited number of allowance increases (or overage charges) as long as I can pay the cost. They cannot provide infinite bandwidth, as there is not enough ethernet hanging out of my box to let me have my 45,000 Terrabytes per month.
You see, the bandwidth allowance, the the prepaid bandwidth cannot be unlimited. THe ammount you can have can be. But the context is wrong, so the word unlimited should be avoided in this scenario.
Host Ultra 06-12-2002, 11:20 PM Originally posted by gnorthey00
The problem with Unlimited is the context it is used. In hosting, the bandwidth is always refering to bandwidth allowance. My host, Hosting Matters, provides a hosting allowance of something like 9000 MB per month. However, I can buy addtional allowances for a cost to me. Hosting Matters will continue to provided an unlimited number of allowance increases (or overage charges) as long as I can pay the cost. They cannot provide infinite bandwidth, as there is not enough ethernet hanging out of my box to let me have my 45,000 Terrabytes per month.
You see, the bandwidth allowance, the the prepaid bandwidth cannot be unlimited. THe ammount you can have can be. But the context is wrong, so the word unlimited should be avoided in this scenario.
That maybe true for paid hosting but not for free hosting
If you were offering paid hosting with unlimited then you are selling something unlimited for a fixed price
But for free hosting i am giving unlimited in exchange for advertising
the more hits your site gets the more money i make from advertising as explained in the calculations in my previous posts
allan 06-12-2002, 11:25 PM Let's take a look at this business model:
Originally posted by Host Ultra
Ok i just worked out some calculations which i think are correct
I have a rackshack server which costs me $120 per month for 400GB bandwidth
so thats
1 gig of bandwidth costs me $0.30
So far, so good.
I get a $5 CPM with my advertiser for popup ads on hosted sites
that works out at approx
60 unique hits = $0.30 = 1GB bandwidth
thats about 16.66MB per visitor
so each visitor to my hosted sites pays (by way of getting a popup) $0.005 which buys them 16.66MB of bandwidth
Not sure where you got the 60 from..care to explain?
The Gigabyte to megabyte conversion is correct, although it buys them 16.66MB of data transfer, not bandwidth.
Now MOST people who visit a site just view the first page and see its not what they were looking for and leaves
so lets say 1 in 10 actually go on to view the site
that pumps it up to 166.66MB bandwidth per visitor that actually browses though the site
Remember for every unique vistor that uses under 16.66MB then i make a PROFIT! :D
Do you have any statistics to backup your traffic pattern claims, I would say that claim is very arguable.
Here is where your idea falls shorts: Advertisers do not have unlimited money. Free sites (Geocities, Tripod, etc) have a very low rate of return, and churn advertisers pretty fast. What happens when you get 50 servers, but can only sell enough advertising space to cover the cost of 25? A lot of free hosting networks have crashed in this manner, and this is where your model fails as well.
Host Ultra 06-12-2002, 11:37 PM Originally posted by uuallan
Not sure where you got the 60 from..care to explain?
1000 = CPM
$5 / 1000 = $0.005
means i get $0.005 for every one unique hit
$0.30 (price per GB) / $0.005 = 60 :D
Originally posted by uuallan
The Gigabyte to megabyte conversion is correct, although it buys them 16.66MB of data transfer, not bandwidth.
OK some call it data transfer and some call it bandwidth but its all the same really.
Originally posted by uuallan
Here is where your idea falls shorts: Advertisers do not have unlimited money. Free sites (Geocities, Tripod, etc) have a very low rate of return, and churn advertisers pretty fast. What happens when you get 50 servers, but can only sell enough advertising space to cover the cost of 25? A lot of free hosting networks have crashed in this manner, and this is where your model fails as well.
Isnt that true of all free hosts regardless of the space/bandwidth (or data transfer as you call it) they offer?
Who says there is an unlimited number of accounts either?
I could stop accepting new accounts before i even reach 50 servers and probably will
YUPAPA 06-12-2002, 11:42 PM Originally posted by Host Ultra
OK some call it data transfer and some call it bandwidth but its all the same really.
Of course not! Bandwidth is the speed (792KB/s) and data transfer is the files' sizes that have transferred (in bytes).
Host Ultra 06-12-2002, 11:47 PM Originally posted by YUPAPA
Of course not! Bandwidth is the speed (792KB/s) and data transfer is the files' sizes that have transferred (in bytes).
Yes i know your right but alot of people refer to data transfer as bandwidth
YUPAPA 06-12-2002, 11:50 PM Originally posted by Host Ultra
Yes i know your right but alot of people refer to data transfer as bandwidth
Yes you know I am right, but that doesn't mean listenning to others' thoughts is correct.
gnorthey00 06-12-2002, 11:52 PM Bandwidth (keyword WIDTH), the amount of data transfer per given time period (think of it as velocity) Bandwidth has been measured in bps, Kbps, Mbps, Gbps, traditionally. I have never seen it measured over minutes, hours, or days, etc.
Data transfer refers to amount of data per extended period of time. Note that this is in MB per month (not Mb) or GB per month (not Gb)
As for all free hosts, they set data transfer limits. I.e., GeoCities, 3 GB/month.
Why don't you do this: Data transfer limit: THe limit shall vary based on your proitablity for us. You shall be allowed up to 3 GB transfer per month, however, you will not be filled for additional usage (overage) if your site generates advertising revenues for the company.
This would stop anyone who chooses to run some sort of bandwidth eater-chat script, unless, your ad is able to appear and rotate in their script. THey will therefore cover the cost if they do not generate revenues, or generate revs through ads.
gnorthey00 06-12-2002, 11:53 PM Originally posted by YUPAPA
Yes you know I am right, but that doesn't mean listenning to others' thoughts is correct.
Don't question a guy that offers unlimited bandwidth...
Nedani 06-12-2002, 11:59 PM gnorthey00
No: Since he provides an unlimited amount of bandwidth, there would be no restrictions or limitations on HIS part. But, in reading his TOS, he haas created scertain limitations and restrictions that protect him against bandwidth overages.
I think you are talking about this:
hostultra.com is provided on an "as is," "as available" basis without warranties of any kind, either expressed or implied, including but not limited to warranties of title or implied warranties of merchantability or fitness for a particular purpose.
But here is what you can find in C:\WinNT\system32\eula.txt
To the maximum extent permitted by applicable law, Microsoft and its suppliers provide the Product and any (if any) Support Services AS IS AND WITH ALL FAULTS, and hereby disclaim all warranties and conditions, either express, implied or statutory, including, but not limited to, any (if any) implied warranties or conditions of merchantability, of fitness for a particular purpose, of lack of viruses, of accuracy or completeness of responses, of results, and of lack of negligence or lack of workmanlike effort, all with regard to the Product, and the provision of or failure to provide Support Services.
Same thing for me.
It is true that you can generate a lot of trafic using bots or something else. Because of this kind of people there is a TOS. If everybody is keeping his part of the deal nobody is removed from the site. The ideea is to get trafic, not to keep it low. Your 45,000 Terrabytes per month can be generated only by sites like Yahoo. They don't need free hosting. And if they will ever need I think everybody will give them that to put their ads.
:D Free hosting is for small websites dreaming of having 10-15Gb. In this case "unlimited" is short for "as much as you need".
Host Ultra 06-13-2002, 12:05 AM Originally posted by gnorthey00
Why don't you do this: Data transfer limit: THe limit shall vary based on your proitablity for us. You shall be allowed up to 3 GB transfer per month, however, you will not be filled for additional usage (overage) if your site generates advertising revenues for the company.
That would confuse some people
People like to think that they can use as much as they want without trying to restrict the size of their sites
Alot of people using free hosting are newbies that wouldnt understand that stuff
Originally posted by gnorthey00
This would stop anyone who chooses to run some sort of bandwidth eater-chat script, unless, your ad is able to appear and rotate in their script. THey will therefore cover the cost if they do not generate revenues, or generate revs through ads.
I dont quite understand what you mean there
It is not possible to run any server side scripts on hostultra (php, cgi for example)
Additionally there is very high leech protection
NO FILE (file is everything that is not a html) can be downloaded off the server unless the http referer comes from a hostultra url
You can only enter a site through a html file
GlideTech 06-13-2002, 12:08 AM *unsubscribes to thread*
YUPAPA 06-13-2002, 12:17 AM Originally posted by GlideTech
*unsubscribes to thread*
:bawling:
Please back to my original topic!
What do you think about the magic word "UNLIMITED"?
iamdave 06-13-2002, 12:30 AM :uzi: :sickface:
i just cant contemplate unlimited/infinity bandwidth . Its not logically possible , nice thought though
gnorthey00 06-13-2002, 02:12 AM > That would confuse some people
SO what, if they're newbies, what do you care, they aren't going to generate that mucch traffic. (I don't even generate much traffic, not that I care)
> Additionally there is very high leech protection
> NO FILE (file is everything that is not a html) can be downloaded off the server unless the http referer comes from a hostultra url
As mentioned by a previous user who is going to maliciously attack your server (I don't endorse or encourage this), in fact I think it's completely wrong, he is going to eat up your bandwidth as fast as possible. Two words: Sam Spade. I can program any referrer I want.
BTW: THat doesn't matter if you're dealing with FTP. I could run a cron job through an SSH terminal remotely to access files from FTP, upload, download, etc.
Would it be stupid? YES
I don't believe in attacking your business. I may not agree with the founding principle of "Free", but I am not going to attack your business. I am simply throwing out scenarios of thinks that are plausible. Why? Because there are stupid people in this world that make sites such as yours fail through malicious attacks.
IMHO, free doesn't work so well. The problem with free is that you're fighting several battles. Keep customers happy, keep advertisers happy, and avoid malicious attacks. Other hosts need only keep customers happy, and avoid malicious attacks (much easier whn you have credit card info).
Phoenix 06-13-2002, 10:58 AM Originally posted by Host Ultra
Yes i know your right but alot of people refer to data transfer as bandwidth
And a lot of people refer to bandwidth as speed, too. But that doesn't make it correct either.
Bandwidth is a measurement of capacity, how much data can flow through the pipe at one time. It's interpreted as speed because it takes less time for a large file to go through a large pipe than it does through a small one.
If you fill a glass with water (your large file) and suck it out through a narrow straw, it's going to take longer than if you suck it out through a straw the size of a garden hose. The speed of the water moving up the straw doesn't change but the water empties out much faster.
"Data transfer" (aka traffic) is the calculation of bandwidth utilization-how much data has actually passed through that pipe.
ljprevo 06-13-2002, 11:29 AM When I try to explain bandwidth and transfer I send them to:
http://www.hosthelp.com/
GREAT explanation site.
Esp this article:
http://www.hosthelp.com/hostfactsbw.php
"What Exactly Is Bandwidth?: Explanation"
Studio64 06-13-2002, 01:14 PM Originally posted by case
i just cant contemplate unlimited/infinity bandwidth . Its not logically possible , nice thought though
Let me settle this dispute once and for all...
Offering unlimited diskspace and unlimited bandwidth(transfer whatever) is possible within the laws of physics...
If you accelerate your server to the speed of light it becomes pure energy with an infinite mass....
Therefore the standard restrictions of everyday life have been lifted from it....
Thank You,
-- The Management....
Woser 06-13-2002, 01:18 PM Personally Unlimited is the worng word.. you should say Un-Metered..
Due to the fact there is No Unlimited bandwidth.. only so much can runn out of the server.,. and only so much can run out of the DC.
Now just understnd the DC has a limit on how much information it can transmit.. so Unlimited it is not. If you don't charge for how much Transfer they use then it would be un metered .. as in you don't track it..
But since you basically using the word Unlimited for it's " shock " Value.. as a sales gimmick to attract customers to your Free hosting.. it is just a deceptive way .. and you will just dismiss what i have said any way.. even though it is the truth..
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