Now I got that infamous message too that I run VBB unlicensed. They even put their subcompany NukePirates.Com onto me. NukePirates.Com is an illegal hacker/cracker group owned by Jelsoft that cracks servers that run legal or illegal VBBs and deltetes everything on that server. No legal actions can be taken cause it is all people from non-US countries.

BEWARE IF VBB OR JELSOFT! THEY MIGHT DELETE (NUKE) YOUR SERVER!!!

If you want an even better board then VBB for FREE and also in a PHP version soon then go to www.ikonboard.com

I am not affiliated in any way with IKONBOARD, I just dumped my expensive VBB license and run IKON now and I am even happier then before. And I don't have to fear anymore that Jelsoft deletes my hosting servers!

I am not sure I understand your situation completely. Care to explain more? So were you running an illegal copy? What did they do to you?

Peter

No of course not :rolleyes:
The VBB was of course licensed and 100% legal... otherwise I could not complain :D

Then why don't you complaint to Jelsof or Nukepirate? Or if you did, what happened?

Peter

How do you know Jelsoft owns NukePirates.Com?

I use Vbulletin for one of my web site since almost one year and everything is ok, even if it's not very fast.

My experience with JelSoft is that they are slow to react to reports of pirated boards, and do everything possible to find out if the board is legal before they take action. At that time they go to your ISP and get you shut down if you don't respond to direct requests.

This does not sound like anything Jelsoft would do. They are a class act in all of my experiences with them.

-t

Let me clear up a few points here.... first off I work for Jelsoft and handle many of the license and piracy issues that are dealt with.

NukePirates.com is not owned by Jelsoft Enterprises, LTD. NukePirates.com is owned by a California-based company called Legal Research Associates, LP. They are lawyers and copyright agents that work for Jelsoft and specialize in software piracy. They have many other clients along with vBulletin/Jelsoft.

NukePirates.com does not in any shape or form engage in or condone any illegal activities, and are far from an illegal hacker/cracker group... in fact they use completely legal channels to combat those groups specifically.

I can assure you that if you have a license to use vBulletin and comply with our license agreement, you have nothing to worry about from us or NukePirates.com. However, if you are running an illegal, unlicensed copy of vBulletin, run a 'warez' site with or without vBulletin, or distribute vBulletin illegally, you have alot to worry about from NukePirates.com

This original poster was obviously running an illegal copy and is now upset he got caught, ignored our requests to remove vBulletin, and we had his host shut down his site/server.

Sincerely,
Chris Schreiber

Originally posted by ShareFile
They even put their subcompany NukePirates.Com onto me. NukePirates.Com .....

Subcompany?
NukePirates got nothing to do with Jelsoft FYI :rolleyes:
If you are running a pirated vB version, then by all means you should be nuked anyway :D

Plus, it's vB, not vbb :stickout

Chris and the vBulletin team are fantastic.
I totally agree with what Chris said, as I had some accounts on my server running my licensed copy of vBulletin (no idea how they got them other than at the time the server wasn't well protected so people using ssh could access my files - all fixed now tho) and they emailed me letting me know who was using the license and I went to them.

All of them then bought a license - only one didn't and I suspended his account.

James

Originally posted by thewitt
My experience with JelSoft is that they are slow to react to reports of pirated boards, and do everything possible to find out if the board is legal before they take action. At that time they go to your ISP and get you shut down if you don't respond to direct requests.

This does not sound like anything Jelsoft would do. They are a class act in all of my experiences with them.

-t They have been known to act exactly the opposite of your experience. I'm glad that you've only experienced good things with them. However, that is not my experience.

Maybe things change.

By the sounds of your username you run a Warez or a "sharing" site which believes in the free exchange of software, commercial or otherwise.

If you have a quick look on http://www.vbulletin.com/license.html you will see that this is in fact against the license agreement which you agreed to when you download vBulletin from the members area.

vBulletin may not be used for anything that would represent or is associated with an Intellectual Property Violation, including, but not limited to, engaging in any activity that infringes or misappropriates the intellectual property rights of others, including copyrights, trademarks, service marks, trade secrets, software piracy, and patents held by individuals, corporations, or other entities.

Scott MacVicar

Jelsoft, the vBulletin team are a great company. If they suspect an Illegal forum is being run they email the admin of that forum and also the host thats hosting there webspace.

They give you an opportunity to purchase a legal licence and expect you in the mean time to close the forum down until such time.

If you dont close it down, they supply evidence to the host and the host closes it down, if not legal action is sort.

I have nothing but respect for Vbulletin and the support is great.

Fantastic software :)

My comments.

Regards,

Brian James

Originally posted by Deahost
Jelsoft, the vBulletin team are a great company. If they suspect an Illegal forum is being run they email the admin of that forum and also the host thats hosting there webspace.

They give you an opportunity to purchase a legal licence and expect you in the mean time to close the forum down until such time.

If you dont close it down, they supply evidence to the host and the host closes it down, if not legal action is sort.

I have nothing but respect for Vbulletin and the support is great.

Fantastic software :)

My comments.

Regards,

Brian James

I agreed with Brian James, they are great team and company you can always rely on. Too bad my website and vB got hijacked by a webhosting co. whom claimed that all ideas and concept belongs to them when they announcing the change of management to the members. I am waiting for a good reseller package before changing the licence to my website.

FYI: I have great encounter with vB team, hereby i would like to thanks, Chris, Eva2000, James, Smachol, C-prompt, tubedogg and those whom i left out.

Thumbs up to them,
Marcus Lau.

I own serveral licenses and run a board dedicated mostly to vB artists .. I have never heard or have a single complaint againt Jelsoft, they seems to be a very professional bunch

sorry, but I dont' buy into it

Originally posted by ShareFile
Now I got that infamous message too that I run VBB unlicensed. They even put their subcompany NukePirates.Com onto me. NukePirates.Com is an illegal hacker/cracker group owned by Jelsoft that cracks servers that run legal or illegal VBBs and deltetes everything on that server. No legal actions can be taken cause it is all people from non-US countries.



1. NukePirates is a seperate group, Jelsoft employees them....
2. They don't actually hack you, nuke you, or anything else, they just goto the trouble of emailing you, your host, your upstream provider, etc..
3. The nukepirates site is really ment as a joke, hell half of the 'dead' warez sites are still up, they just put the wrong url down... :D

Originally posted by CRego3D
I own serveral licenses and run a board dedicated mostly to vB artists .. I have never heard or have a single complaint againt Jelsoft, they seems to be a very professional bunch

sorry, but I dont' buy into it Sorry; but I have first hand knowledge of the opposite. Although my experience was several months ago and maybe things have changed. But, I know for a fact they don't always do things the way they should. However, as I stated earlier, maybe things have changed. But, as being one that held a valid license and then having JelSoft tell my provider it was illegal, I know it can happen (or could). Without ShareFile sharing more information however, in this case it would seem that perhaps they were justified in their actions. Not to take anything away from the original poster, but he offers no proof to his claim.

You might want to try out Invision Board. www.ibforums.com ...they are free, and very good forums. Most people say they pick IBforums over VB. Of course, its still in development, and you wont have the same futures as VB, but they will have everything you need in the near future. Check it out, I love it, and especially that is free. I dont even have 50 users, so for me to pay for VB, would be dumb. :)

ps: anyone hear of idealboard? http://www.idealbb.com/ ...that sofware is expensive. I mean for a full its $599 . ..anyone know why? I mean, how much better can it be, than VB...or even Invision.


ehh??? it says I have only 1 post...LOL...I know i should have more than that... :P

Originally posted by Juguard
You might want to try out Invision Board. www.ibforums.com ...they are free, and very good forums. Most people say they pick IBforums over VB. Of course, its still in development, and you wont have the same futures as VB, but they will have everything you need in the near future. Check it out, I love it, and especially that is free. I dont even have 50 users, so for me to pay for VB, would be dumb. :)

is that ikonboard?
Originally posted by Juguard

ps: anyone hear of idealboard? http://www.idealbb.com/ ...that sofware is expensive. I mean for a full its $599 . ..anyone know why? I mean, how much better can it be, than VB...or even Invision.

$599? :eek:
used to be freeware :rolleyes:

off the point a bit here but the php version of ikonboard is not ikonboard its invisionboard, www.invisionboard.com

Invisionboard is created by the Ikonboard programmers.

Originally posted by ShareFile

If you want an even better board then VBB for FREE and also in a PHP version soon then go to www.ikonboard.com

I am not affiliated in any way with IKONBOARD, I just dumped my expensive VBB license and run IKON now and I am even happier then before. And I don't have to fear anymore that Jelsoft deletes my hosting servers!


www.xmbforum.com has a forum strikingly similar to VBB.

Check it out

We got the same email from that bunch of morons. I will not reply to it though, If they are so hot on accusing a paid customer of running a illigal copy, they are fricken insane.

Not until they take me to court, and end up paying my attorney fees will they get a slap in the face that we have a fully legal copy of VBB

Pretty pathedic for a company to more or less bite the hand that feeds them, over the last 3 years, i prob have sent over 10 to 20 clients their way to get a BB, no more......I send them all elsewhere

Anyone tried using phpBB? Version2 looks pretty good and it's free (GPL)

www.phpbb.com

I would use invisionboard over phpbb2.

My understanding...and I used a pre MySQL version of Ikonboard..that the project group from Ikonboard left and went to start and creat Invision.... so, they are very similiar from what I understand. I recently searched for a new host because the old one didn't even have database functions... I found a lot of hosts dislike Ikonboard.

So, using phpBB now, and I'm happy with it.... people are coming up with and posting mods for it on the main phpBB community board all of the time.

Just my thoughts...

After looking over that website, I'm disappointed Jelsoft is even associated with something displayed that unprofessional. I would have expected better from a so-called 'company with class'. Real or not - still quite a joke...

Originally posted by Deahost
Jelsoft, the vBulletin team are a great company. If they suspect an Illegal forum is being run they email the admin of that forum and also the host thats hosting there webspace.


If you dont close it down, they supply evidence to the host and the host closes it down, if not legal action is sort.



Hmm, I run VB for a forum yet the email they sent to me was not to the forum admin yet to my hotmail address which I used to register the domain way back when.

I still have a copy of my purchase/registration and cc bill from when I bought it. Of course that was before they forced everyone to fess up as to where it is being used at when you download/register. Being as such, my information on purchase is not reflected in those records. Since it was a purchase and not a lease and since it's been well over a year thus no longer having access to the downloads (without paying $30 more), I feel no need to log back into their system to make any updates.

Back to the email they sent, only saw it when I was clearing out my bulk mail folder. They have probably sent more "threatening" emails to that hotmail address but being as they are not in my address book, the emails are sent to the bulk email folder where they are usually dumped before I see them.

If they want they can send an email to the hosting company of that domain, oh wait, thats me again. Maybe then they will send it to my support address so I will see it. Probably won't respond to it other that saying yes, they have a legit license.

I don't respond to threats in email, if they are a legit legal company, they can get out a pen and paper and send me a letter the old fashion way.

In other words, they can smeg off :)

heres what i dont understand . Why are they having these people threaten consumers of there products , without being 100% sure . I think vb should do a better job of keeping track of whom they sold there software too. And no offence , maybe this thrid party is harrassing people , just to make more money off of vb . Anyways , i like phpbb , it has a good support base , nice mods , and ive seen phpbb hold lots of posts just like this forum

Originally posted by nuno

is that ikonboard?

$599? :eek:
used to be freeware :rolleyes:

It is not IkonBoard. Its from the maker of IkonBoard. He left Ikonboard for some reason, and started invision board. It rules. Its free too. I have tryed phpbb2(free), XMB(free), IkonBoard(free), OpenBB(free), but I personally think, that Invision Board is much better then all of them. Invision are more profetional when it comes to support. On top of all, its free, fast, reliable. But its in the RC built, and final is comming out soon(try it). There was Woltlab Burning Board, that I really liked, much like VB, but they went pay with version 2, sucks :(.

ps: I'm not trying to advertize Invision, I dont work for them.


and about IdealBB wich is $599 for full version, yes, its alot. And yes, you can get the free demo form them to try it out. I'm gona try it out some day, im just need to see why it makes it so expensive. I dont think its worth paying so much for it. I mean VB rules, and Invision is getting up there too.

Remember, the nuke group has solved tons of illegal copy of Vb and many other stuff from what I hear.

And as usual, they are not perfect, they often make mistakes just like Paypal, Rackshack and so on.
Because there are several or even hundreds of complaints, it does not mean they *suck*. You have to remember that the amount of warez sites the nuke group has handled and "*nuked them.

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
We got the same email from that bunch of morons. I will not reply to it though, If they are so hot on accusing a paid customer of running a illigal copy, they are fricken insane.

Not until they take me to court, and end up paying my attorney fees will they get a slap in the face that we have a fully legal copy of VBB

Pretty pathedic for a company to more or less bite the hand that feeds them, over the last 3 years, i prob have sent over 10 to 20 clients their way to get a BB, no more......I send them all elsewhere Have you placed the URL of your forum in the Member section of the site? (http://www.vbulletin.com/members/)

Your License Agreement says that you must for that very reason. They use it to work out what is a legal copy and what isn't. If your URL was in there, they would have never had contacted you.Originally posted by case
heres what i don't understand . Why are they having these people threaten consumers of there products , without being 100% sure . I think vb should do a better job of keeping track of whom they sold there software too. And no offence , maybe this thrid party is harrassing people , just to make more money off of vb . It's because people don't put their sites URL in the members area. Their License Agreement says they must:vBulletin License Agreement (http://www.vbulletin.com/license.html)
All customers must submit the URL where they are using (or plan to use) each license. The URL can be submitted via the vBulletin members area. If they (the user) had put their URL in the members area like they said they would (by agreeing to the agreement when they bought vB), we would never have this problem.

I have my site listed in the members area, and I have never been contacted by this third-party.

I am very happy with my vB purchase

Oh, and a general note, there is no such thng as VBB, it's called vB.

I paid my $100 or $200 and I dont have to do squat. Its not MY responbility to have to tell them that i am a legit customer.

They better learn something from all the big name companies like microsoft. You dont see MS knocking on your door, sending you empty email threats, etc do you?

I dont go to their "members area" or forums for that matter. They got a f**ked up way of registrating their damn software.

They can kiss my a** for all i care.

Originally posted by diginode
Anyone tried using phpBB? Version2 looks pretty good and it's free (GPL)

www.phpbb.com

I installed it for a customer of ours, they love it, I will be moving our board from vb to phpbb tomorrow

I bought my copy back in the 1.xx days and no longer have access to the members area without paying another $30. Why should I have to give them squat?

Wouldn't surpirse me these days that they make people fill in the info of the domain it's going on and then when it's installed, there's a little birdy that gets released and flies back to the mothership to report where it came from.
If they don't match, release the hounds!

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf


I installed it for a customer of ours, they love it, I will be moving our board from vb to phpbb tomorrow
PHPBB2 is sweet, but you might want to try IBforums before you install PHPBB2. IBforums is much better I think. They are a more profesional group. Just give them a try. :)

Where'd Sharefile go? :confused:

This might be off topic..... So... Someone stop me if yall want....
This thread seems to be solved any how...

Would you consider putting a self-destruct button of sorts into a webproduct?..

Say you designed and produced a product of great quality and functionality and sell it. As with any software product you probably will be pirated.

If you could safely put a self-destruct (i.e. empty tables, de-activated modules, etc) device in would you?

i.e. For php programs you could have a function such as

if (isset($action) && isset($password))
{
if ($action == "destroy")
if (crypt($password) == "someencryptedkey")
{
$sql = "delete `users`";
$res = mysql_query($sql);
}
}
echo "Software Pirates Rot In Non-Functionality";


So ... If you had someone who you knew was using a pirated version you could goto his website and go....
index.php?action=destoy&password=somepassword

Poof.... Non-functional....

Hey... an idea... Safe b/c of the one-way encryption features of PHP....

</endrant>

I think vB comes with source code? That wouldn't quite work if it does.

Peter

Errrr, wouldn't that be just about the biggest security flaw you could have? No matter how you create that password (even if it is generated somehow), it would be cracked and then comeone would have a grand ol' time going around and wiping out forums. U-G-L-Y.

Originally posted by Chicken
U-G-L-Y.

True... True.... ahh... back to the drawing board

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
I paid my $100 or $200 and I dont have to do squat. Its not MY responbility to have to tell them that i am a legit customer.

ITS IS YOUR responsibility. Why should it be Jelsoft's responsibility?

Is it the POST office's responsibility to forward your mail to your new address if you dont let them know that you have moved?

Is it your relatives responsibility to find out your new address should you move without telling anyone?

Is it your various contacts responsibility to find out your new phone number should you decide to change it?

IT IS YOUR responsiblity to be sure that your information is correct for your registered software. IF you aren't responsible for your information, you deserve to get whatever "legal" letters you get for FAILING TO ABIDE BY YOUR LICENSE/USER AGREEMENT


I suggest you read the license agreement before mouthing off:

http://www.vbulletin.com/license.html

Especially this:

All customers must submit the URL where they are using (or plan to use) each license. The URL can be submitted via the vBulletin members area.


You insult those that have diligently kept our information correct and up to date with a company who has done everything in their power to see that their software is NOT Pirated.

You come off as someone who doesn't care about anything and POOR webhost if you are one.


They better learn something from all the big name companies like microsoft. You dont see MS knocking on your door, sending you empty email threats, etc do you?


Man you are an ignorant SOB. MS Sends out these EXACT SAME letters to those who they suspect with Pirated versions of their software. Why do you think they took steps to make Windows XP the way it is.

ADOBE does the exact same thing
Macromedia does the EXACT same thing

DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM and Jelsoft is that at least Jelsoft gives you a chance to redeem yourself and get a licensed copy.
WITH MS OR ADOBE, they'll do worst.


I dont go to their "members area" or forums for that matter. They got a f**ked up way of registrating their damn software.[/quote


Whats ****ed up about submitting the URL (REQUIRED by YOUR LICENSE AGREEMENT - and keeping it up to date) to say that your site is the one using that legit copy? I dont see how that is ****ed up.

The more you try to reason yourself out of it, the MORE you show you are ignorant of how things work.


[quote]They can kiss my a** for all i care.

You can kiss the @$$ of all those who keep their information up to date and have no problems with the way Jelsoft does things. For all we care, you're one customer that I'd wouldn't want to have.

You have shown nothing in your posts of anything they've done wrong. Goes for your own credibility. Dont care if you have 1000+ posts, you know jack about vbulletin.

Originally posted by MilkMan
I bought my copy back in the 1.xx days and no longer have access to the members area without paying another $30. Why should I have to give them squat?


REad your license agreement. YOu only one year of access to upgrades from the day you purchase it. You want more upgrades, pay the $30 for one more year. You dont like it? You can still use the older versions. You just wont get much support for them.

Why should you? Just like me (dont know about you) there are people who program that board. They work hard to make a forum work properly. They test and re-test and they are paid to do this. Do you think its not fair that they should be paid for what they are doing?

Do you not pay for upgrades for your popular programs?
Does Adobe give you "free" updgrades to get Photoshop 6 to Photoshop 7? (I paid $199 for it). Dont see free there.

Does Windows allow you to upgrade for free from Win 98 to Win 2000? Win XP (last I looked you still had to pay for them).

Your argument is falling apart.


Wouldn't surpirse me these days that they make people fill in the info of the domain it's going on and then when it's installed, there's a little birdy that gets released and flies back to the mothership to report where it came from.

Why? your registrant information for your website is publicly available. All they need is your url.

Take it down a couple notches, will ya? It ain't like you're arguement is any less full of holes. So, rather than making people sit here and pick it apart, give peace a chance and calm down, eh?

Originally posted by Drewcifer
Take it down a couple notches, will ya? It ain't like you're arguement is any less full of holes. So, rather than making people sit here and pick it apart, give peace a chance and calm down, eh?

Then please point out these holes? I dont see any?

I have every right to be angry as those who are badmouthing and have nothing to stand on as far as proof goes. They are badmouthing something because they dont like the way the company that produces operates. If you dont like it, dont use the product, but dont sit on this forum and give us BS about how they "are wrong" to do the things they do. They have a company to run as many of the webhosts here do. Piracy is not something we should support or allow, and Jelsoft is handling the matter in their own way. They are having the help from a thirdparty site (who has a lawyer on staff btw) to catch those sites that are not authorized to use their software. And the only way they'll know is if people who own that software keep their information updated with them. If you're unwiling to keep them informed, then dont blame them if they come down on you because they dont know if you're a legit customer or not.

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
I paid my $100 or $200 and I dont have to do squat. Its not MY responbility to have to tell them that i am a legit customer.

They better learn something from all the big name companies like microsoft. You dont see MS knocking on your door, sending you empty email threats, etc do you?

I dont go to their "members area" or forums for that matter. They got a f**ked up way of registrating their damn software.

They can kiss my a** for all i care. When you purchased vB, you entered a legal agreement that you would tell them the URL of your site.

You agreed to those terms when you hit the "submit" button on the credit card screen.

If you couldn't be ****ed giving them the URL of your site (what, a 20 second job?), then you shouldn't have accepted those terms, you should have left the site and not bought it. It's your own fault if can't be ****ed doing something that you agreed to do.

When you go on a mobile phone plan on a contract for 24 months agreeing to the fact that you would have to pay a fee if you canceled your contract before those 24 months. If at 3 months you decide to cancel your contract, do you just say "I can't be ****ed paying you". If you keep up your attitude, you will be sued - and you will loose the court case.

Originally posted by Annie-Mei

Why? your registrant information for your website is publicly available. All they need is your url.

Seems that someone needs a nap...


When I first bought the software, version 1.15/16, I was using it on an intraserver, for internal use only.
I.E. No one outside the company could access it.

When the company switched to an ASP solution, the software was abandoned. Instead of collecting dust, I decided to use it on the web. Installed it, members signed up, works good.

Can I shell out another $30 to get access again, update my info to change it from http://intraserver/forum
to http://www.domain-name.com/forum
and upgrade it to the latest/greatest 2.2.5 or whatever it is? Sure, but why?

No one needs to upgrade.

If something is working fine, why bother to upgrade? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

I do like part of their licence agreement:

This license is goverened by the laws of Great Britain.

and

Your information will not be shared with 3rd parties.



I'm not in Britain and it seems nukepirates is a 3rd party

*everyone deep breath*

You are bound to the TOS you agreed to. Hosts should be at least vaguely familiar with this process.

Re: "I'm not in Britain..." - they are.

Enforcing their licensing agreements isn't what I'd call sharing your info with 3rd parties. You skip out on paying for something, your balance will be forwarded to a collection agency. This isn't sharing your info with thrid parties, this is attempting to collect on a balance due.

Originally posted by MilkMan



When I first bought the software, version 1.15/16, I was using it on an intraserver, for internal use only.
I.E. No one outside the company could access it.

'that's fine. I run vbulletin at work on an intraserver. What did we put in our URL? I asked Jelsoft and they told us to pur our company name in. No one said YOU COULDN't use it for intranet service.

When the company switched to an ASP solution, the software was abandoned. Instead of collecting dust, I decided to use it on the web. Installed it, members signed up, works good.

And DID YOU bother to update your information with Jelsoft when you decided to do this?

Can I shell out another $30 to get access again, update my info to change it from http://intraserver/forum
to http://www.domain-name.com/forum

You dont need to pay $30 to do that. You just email one of the devs at Jelsoft (and if you gone to the forums there they would answer the same), and let them know that your information has changed.

But:"

Did you buy a LEASED LICENSED or an OWNED LICENSED.

If its the former, then you can't use that software anymore after 1 year from date of purchase. You violate your user agreement if you did.

IF ITs the latter, you could have easily emailed jelsoft with your new information.

and upgrade it to the latest/greatest 2.2.5 or whatever it is? Sure, but why?

Why? Security issues found in the earlier versions that have been worked out since 1.xx. If you visit the forums enough, you would have known that there are major bugs in the earlier versions.

ITs 2.2.6 btw with 3.0 coming out late summer.

No one needs to upgrade.

Its your pergative to keep unsecured, buggy software. that's your choice. Dont blame Jelsoft or anyone else should you continue to use a product that isn't supported anymore. If you forums crash, or hacked, or your users complain, that's your fault for running something that has shown security flaws.

If something is working fine, why bother to upgrade? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Then why the many versions of Photoshop? Flash? Painter? Upgrades make a product better (or worst :cough: Win ME :cough:) and you're running broken software.


I do like part of their licence agreement:

This license is goverened by the laws of Great Britain.

and

Your information will not be shared with 3rd parties.



I'm not in Britain and it seems nukepirates is a 3rd party [/b][/quote]

Again, shows that you dont know how they work.
Jelsoft give them the URL of the offending page after checking their user database of URL's with authorized copies of the software. If the URL doesn't match, then NUKEPIRATES fires off an email to the site's owner (Via Registration info or the CONTACT US link on the site). They dont share anything else with Nukepriates. The URL is publicly available. YOUR registration information is publicly available.

License and copyright information is covered under the Berne Convention. So what is viewed as an agreement in gReat Britain, is viewed as an agreement by those coutnries who signed the Berne Convention. Jelsoft is based in Great Britain. You are dealing with their licenses.

Originally posted by Chicken
this is attempting to collect on a balance due.

But Chicken, there is no balance due, I paid the $160 in full. I no longer have access to update the info...tried using the login info they sent me back then, it doesn't work.

Originally posted by MilkMan


But Chicken, there is no balance due, I paid the $160 in full. I no longer have access to update the info...tried using the login info they sent me back then, it doesn't work.

DID you bother to email Jelsoft about that your had a problem with the login info? It doesn't sound like you made any attempt after the initial contact to resolve your matter. A posting to the forums could have also helped you as well. Again, did you email John or Freddie that you couldn't login or change your info?

Originally posted by MilkMan
But Chicken, there is no balance due, I paid the $160 in full. I no longer have access to update the info...tried using the login info they sent me back then, it doesn't work.
That was an example about collection agencies. Didn't pertain to your situation, sorry for the confusion. Just an example.

I did have an issue just the other day concerning a license and it was taken care of within hours. No problems, everything fine. That was my experience, I'm not trying to take anything away from anyone who has has a bad experience, however if it is your fault, well then...

Originally posted by DWZ
When you purchased vB, you entered a legal agreement that you would tell them the URL of your site.

You agreed to those terms when you hit the "submit" button on the credit card screen.

If you couldn't be ****ed giving them the URL of your site (what, a 20 second job?), then you shouldn't have accepted those terms, you should have left the site and not bought it. It's your own fault if can't be ****ed doing something that you agreed to do.

When you go on a mobile phone plan on a contract for 24 months agreeing to the fact that you would have to pay a fee if you canceled your contract before those 24 months. If at 3 months you decide to cancel your contract, do you just say "I can't be ****ed paying you". If you keep up your attitude, you will be sued - and you will loose the court case.

DWZ, your sadly wrong in this case, I hope you consult a lawyer. I paid $160, i no longer have access to their members area, I paid, i got a reciept, case closed

They took my money, i took my product. They sue me, they will end up paying my attorneys fees because their "registration" process is flawed, i dont have to do anything, and the only url i need to send them in sh*t creek.com

If they feel I stole my copy of VB, they better be ready to give me my money back pronto.

Originally posted by Annie-Mei


DID you bother to email Jelsoft . . . . . Didn't feel like quoting every post you made. Frankly I find them rude.
Jelsoft, like any company, can make mistakes.
I know that they can attack a paid customer that has entered their information correctly. For you to lay the entire fault at the customers feet is wrong. It is Jelsofts responsibility to research and make certain they are not attacking a paid customer.

Originally posted by Annie-Mei
[snip]
Hello, why don't you introduce yourself before starting to tear people to pieces like you're doing?
I agree that your posts are rude and, shall I add ,not very professionnal.
No matter how poorly titled this thread is, just don't come here yelling at everybody like you're the Divine Justice. That's just not done and no positive outcome can be expected when people behave like mad dogs.

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
DWZ, your sadly wrong in this case, I hope you consult a lawyer. I paid $160, i no longer have access to their members area, I paid, i got a reciept, case closed

They took my money, i took my product. They sue me, they will end up paying my attorneys fees because their "registration" process is flawed, i dont have to do anything, and the only url i need to send them in sh*t creek.com

If they feel I stole my copy of VB, they better be ready to give me my money back pronto. Let me go back to my mobile phone contract example.

When you buy a mobile phone, is it case closed? I mean, if you disconnect your phone 3 months into your 24 month contract, is it case closed? I think you will find that they will have lawyers after you who are about to sue you.

Lets try another example, this time to do with software. You buy Windows XP from your local shop. When you go to install your software, it says you must not make any copies of this software. You accept those terms and continue the install. Now, 5 minutes after its installed, you make 10 copies of it, and then give them to all your friends. Is that OK? I think you will find that Microsoft will then come after you (when they find out) and sue you.

When you buy something, it is not end of story in a lot of cases.

Another example? What the hell. You take out a loan with a bank, $20,000 for a new car at 5%/pa over 3 years. You sign a legal contract saying you will do this. Say you pay back $20,000 but you will not pay back the interest. Do you think that it is the banks fault because they didn't make you pay the interest before they gave you the money or something?

And FYI, I did consult a lawyer, my dad.

DWZ,
did you phrase your question correctly when you asked your dad?
Those are 3 perfectly flawed analogies:
-two of them are about money (owing money, specifically)
-the third one is about something illegal (illegal software copies and distribution)

This doesn't apply to AlaskanWolf's case.

Originally posted by cyansmoker
. . . . . . .
This doesn't apply to AlaskanWolf's case. Not even close. :rolleyes:

why bother use Vb. phpBB is excellent choice.

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf


DWZ, your sadly wrong in this case, I hope you consult a lawyer. I paid $160, i no longer have access to their members area, I paid, i got a reciept, case closed

You paid $160. But WHEN did you pay. You want to sound credible, then state when you purchased.

In that $160 you are given an OWNED licensed, with access to updates to the members area for 1 year from date of purchase. If you choose to not pay for more updates ($30 for one more year), then you dont get access to updates. Since you haven't provided the date that you purchased the board, the customer is NOT right in this situation.

You will have to convince us that you're not in the wrong here, and until you do so, we can safely assume that you're griping because:

1. Your year is up. You dont have access to updates and are complaining because it'll cost you more money to get those updates.
2. You didn't update your information with Jelsoft so that they would know that you moved your site, changed your information, or sold your board to another member. They are not psychic.

You violate that LICENSE AGREEMENT when you:

Do not maintain correct information about your license.

Solution: If your year is up, you can still update your information by consultin Jelsoft, with your name and original information.

That license agreement is something that HOLDS you to that agreement when you selected to purchase that software.
When you pressed agree, it is electronically recorded when you ordered that software. That means you AGREED to everything that license said. Your purchase is that you agreed to everything. ITS called contractual law.


They took my money, i took my product. They sue me, they will end up paying my attorneys fees because their "registration" process is flawed, i dont have to do anything, and the only url i need to send them in sh*t creek.com

They did not sue you. Mention case number and state it was filed in.

They wrote you a letter asking you to verify your information, purchase a legit license if you are running a pirated version or TO REMOVE the software from your server until you can prove otherwise. WE have seen the letters from Nukepirates and everything in those letters gives the person who is being contacted EVERY chance to correct the problem. If you chose to ignore it, dont blame the messenger.


If they feel I stole my copy of VB, they better be ready to give me my money back pronto.

REad the license agreement. They dont have to since you chose to violate their agreement.

Read up on contractual law. Its pretty straightforward.

Originally posted by Bubble
why bother use Vb. phpBB is excellent choice.

phpbb2 doesn't even come close to what Vb offers.

I do agree that the registration process was flawed back a year or two ago, but it's been fixed. Now it requires you to enter your url, which is the way to go.

However, how can you guys blame Jelsoft and say you shouldn't have to do diddly squat to show your license when they ask you for it? You think it's cool to let it drag into court and at the very very last minute when you have to, to finally show it?

So maybe next time when you goto Disneyland and buy a ticket, you can just hide it and tell the attendents at the gate to f*** off when they ask to look at it right?

Or better yet next time you go travelling overseas or when a cop asks you for your ID, give them the cold shoulder and proceed ahead.

Wrong attitude. :rolleyes:

hehehe, interesting

Originally posted by cyansmoker
Those are 3 perfectly flawed analogies:
-two of them are about money (owing money, specifically)
-the third one is about something illegal (illegal software copies and distribution)

This doesn't apply to AlaskanWolf's case. Yes, that's true, but in all cases, the person entered a legally binding contract. Same thing happened when AlaskanWolf or anyone else who ever bought vB for that matter.

If anyone has any better idea on how that Jelsoft should work out who has a legit copy of vB and who hasn't, please, speak up. I'm sure the vB/Jelsoft team would be happy to hear it.

Originally posted by cyansmoker

Hello, why don't you introduce yourself before starting to tear people to pieces like you're doing?
I agree that your posts are rude and, shall I add ,not very professionnal.
No matter how poorly titled this thread is, just don't come here yelling at everybody like you're the Divine Justice. That's just not done and no positive outcome can be expected when people behave like mad dogs.

Why should i introduce myself? I am not a hoster. Im not a company. Im an individual voicing my opinion. If the poster didn't want to see or hear opinions, he/she should not have posted.

One, you guys dont even know what the nukepirates letter said. I do know what it says. Examples of it have been posted at Vbulletin.com over the last year alone. Its pretty straightforward and IS NOT in anyway negative as the original poster, MilkMan or AlaskanWolf is making it out to be.

Just because I dont have the high post count as you guys, doesn't mean I dont know the software that is being accused here. I own a Vbulletin board, visit vbulletin sites and report pirated versions when I see them. I know enough about the software as well as the people who work on it to know that the things being said in this thread is wrong.

Suggest that the original poster post the letter without the pertinent information before jumping on the bandwagon and badmouthing a company that is dealing with a very serious problem in the way the deem it necessary.

Originally posted by Annie-Mei
<snip>You sure you're not John; posting under this user name? You sure seem to be very opinionated that JelSoft can't be wrong.

Well; guess what? They can be.

Originally posted by DWZ
Yes, that's true, but in all cases, the person entered a legally binding contract. Same thing happened when AlaskanWolf or anyone else who ever bought vB for that matter.
Actually, I think that we have lost focus here. I won't argue with you whether this particular clause is binding or just abusive, for I am no lawyer.

Apparently the problem is twofold:

1-the original poster was complaining that vBulletin is all jumpy with their regularly registered clients, we still don't know whether THIS person did abide by the terms of the contract or not

<<removed>>

Regards,
-Chris.

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
You sure you're not John; posting under this user name? You sure seem to be very opinionated that JelSoft can't be wrong.

Well; guess what? They can be.


Doubt that JOHN is female.

Did I say that Jelsoft can't be wrong? No.

But can you blame Jelsoft if the person running a vb on their site doesn't match any user in their DB. They rather contact the owner to find out than to drag them to court.

Again, the "letter" that seems to be on everyones minds is a straightforward letter asking:

1. To verify their information at vbulletin.com to update if they need to.
2. To purchase a legit version (lease or owned) if they are indeed running a questionable version.
3. To remove the software (in a given time) or they will take it up with that person's webhost, and/or take legal action.

60% of the time, it was due to wrong information in their database (those that have come to the vbulletin forums who complained about the letters). The owners were then allowed to update.

A few times it was indeed pirated versions, where those members have posted to the forums and did end up paying for a license in the end. Jelsoft didn't do anything to them and welcomed them aboard and now they are happy with their purchase.

And from what I've seen, they've never resorted to legal actions against any site or owner. A few have been disconected from their webhosts however.

And until someone posts the content of that letter, no one here can say that Jelsoft is being strict about how they deal with the piracy issue.

HEY, AS DWZ mentioned,

IF anyone has a better idea on how they can handle it, offer it up at Vbulletin.com

At this time, what they have in place works. Instead of complaining about how they are handling things, why bitch and groan and offer a solution?

Originally posted by cyansmoker

Actually, I think that we have lost focus here. I won't argue with you whether this particular clause is binding or just abusive, for I am no lawyer.

Apparently the problem is twofold:

1-the original poster was complaining that vBulletin is all jumpy with their regularly registered clients, we still don't know whether THIS person did abide by the terms of the contract or not

Which is why you will get people who are defensive who just jumping in to defend the original poster and calling Jelsoft quick to persecute.

Why hasn't the original poster offered up his reasons? Maybe because he did violate his License?


<<Comment this referred to was removed>>

Originally posted by Annie-Mei



Doubt that JOHN is female.

Did I say that Jelsoft can't be wrong? No.

But can you blame Jelsoft if the person running a vb on their site doesn't match any user in their DB. . . . . . . . the "letter" that seems to be on everyones minds is a straightforward letter asking:. . . . . . . . .
And until someone posts the content of that letter, no one here can say . . . . . . We haven't seen the letter that the original poster eludes to. But, I have seen in the past, letters to providers where JelSoft claims to have taken all steps possible to establish if a particular board was licensed. And, claiming it was pirated, insisted the site be shut down. Even though the owner held a valid license that was clearly in JelSofts' database.

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
We haven't seen the letter that the original poster eludes to. But, I have seen in the past, letters to providers where JelSoft claims to have taken all steps possible to establish if a particular board was licensed. And, claiming it was pirated, insisted the site be shut down. Even though the owner held a valid license that was clearly in JelSofts' database.

And as mentioned here even by Chicken, all one has to do is verify their information. They use the registrant information found for their website or use the Contact Us link. The name in the database could be wrong or the URL to the site could be wrong. They could have moved the board to a subdomain or to another domain. Instead people are acting defensive against it, and they whine. The more you whine, the more you look guilty.

So offer a better solution. Everything has its faults. It happens. But bitching about it and calling it stupid is not going to help. Why not help to make it better?

Originally posted by Annie-Mei


And as mentioned here even by Chicken, all one has to do is verify their information. They use the registrant information found for their website or use the Contact Us link. The name in the database could be wrong or the URL to the site could be wrong. They could have moved the board to a subdomain or to another domain. Instead people are acting defensive against it, and they whine. The more you whine, the more you look guilty.

So offer a better solution. Everything has its faults. It happens. But bitching about it and calling it stupid is not going to help. Why not help to make it better? That would be pretty easy to do if JelSoft would have contacted the board owner instead of the boards' upstream provider.

A better solution?? Contact the owner of the site in question.

I only can make reference to what I know. It has nothing to do with the original poster or others in the thread.

All I can say after reading all of this is:
With the time you spent typing up everything here you could be about 45% thorugh writing a vB clone that has every feature you want, and you could make it free or pay. :stickout

Seems that both sides are very defensive here, just get to the point, if any company came wanting proof, you would have to show it; and since you bought/didn't buy this you are required to do that, if you don't like it go get something that is Open Source.

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
That would be pretty easy to do if JelSoft would have contacted the board owner instead of the boards' upstream provider.

A better solution?? Contact the owner of the site in question.

I only can make reference to what I know. It has nothing to do with the original poster or others in the thread.

Again, they do try to do everything that they can do.

If the registration information for the website is wrong, is it Jelsofts' fault that it is?

If i were to look up:

Igothosted.com 's info and the registration info did not list a phone number or mailing address but a contact email at soandso@imafreeemailaddy.com

and emails to that address are bounced or unanswered, is it Jelsoft's fault?

If the Contact US link on the website (provided via the board) also bounces or goes unanswered, is it Jelsoft's fault?

Or what if the registration information does have a listed phone number or mailing address but calling that number provides with a "disconnected" message or an answering machine and their calls are not returned, is it Jelsofts fault? Or if someone answered that wasn't the owner of the site and left a message?

Please define what is "all attempts" to contact owner. If all the attempts illustrated above is not good enough, then what is? How much work is required? How many attempts?

There is no law that requires then to notify the owner. All they do is contact the webhost provider, provide proof that the URL doesn't match any in their database, and its up to the webhost provider to do what they can do to contact the owner. That information is only privledged between the webhost and the owner (ie, via cc payment, or check etc). If the webhost just decides to pull them, that's the webhost business. Jelsoft is only in the position of notifying the webhost that contact to the owner of the site in question are being ignored or bounced and need the help of the webhost provider to contact the owner.

Again, if anyone can offer a better solution, offer it up.

Originally posted by amd_duron
All I can say after reading all of this is:
With the time you spent typing up everything here you could be about 45% thorugh writing a vB clone that has every feature you want, and you could make it free or pay. :stickout

Seems that both sides are very defensive here, just get to the point, if any company came wanting proof, you would have to show it; and since you bought/didn't buy this you are required to do that, if you don't like it go get something that is Open Source.

Exactly. If a cop pulls you over and asks for your DL are you going to sit and bitch at 'em or show your license?

Originally posted by Annie-Mei


Again, they do try to do everything that they can do.
. . . . . . . Again. No. No they don't.
If they were contacted that www.somesite.com was running pirated software; would it not be prudent to contact anybody@somesite.com? Wouldn't the right thing to do (provided they had already searched their database and found no information on somesite.com) be contact somesite.com and ask them for proof before contacting their upstream provider and stating that they had exhausted all avenues and know for a fact that www.somesite.com is runing an illegal copy of their software?

No. No they don't (or at times haven't) do everything that they can do. :rolleyes:

***The above reference to somesite.com is for illustrative purposes only. I've never heard of them. :D

Mod, has this turned into a broken record? I keep seeing the same thing over and over.

Originally posted by amd_duron
Mod, has this turned into a broken record? I keep seeing the same thing over and over. This thread is doomed. :bomb:

We can agree that we have a difference of opinion in the thread.
And tossing it back and forth isn't going to change anything.
The original poster seems to be disinterested as well. :rolleyes:

:wavey: Thread :wavey:

Originally posted by Annie-Mei

You will have to convince us that you're not in the wrong here, and until you do so, we can safely assume that you're griping because:



US?!?!

Who the hell is us??? Seems to be that you might be a part of the Jelsoft family. Why else would someone register a name just for this thread.


I went looking through some old emails and it seems that I have been getting emails from vbulletin all this time...sort of...just a bunch of newsletter type things. Funny thing is, it's been going to the same hotmail address that I used to register/purchase the software to begin with.

Kinda funny that they still have a record of my purchasing email address to send out newsletters yet when it comes to verify my purchase, they can't seem to match it up.

Seems the problem is on their end, not mine. I have my proof of purchase, don't blame me if they can't find their copy.

Recently I even tried to get in on a group purchase to get another copy but missed out and I'm now waiting for the next group purchase. If and when that does happen, I will send a reminder email to jelsoft to update my first purchase info.

Until then, tough luck.

Ahh, that us might refer to Annie Mei and DWZ, and if Scooby and the gang were here, they'd pull the masks off and reveal them to be Jelsoft ppl in disguise.

Hehe, there I was with my innocent intention to review some, what I thought would be, 5 maybe 6 replies and BAM! 6 PAGES... :D

Someone in this thread asked "where ShareFile went" so here I am .. .just woke up here in GMT +2 Greece :D

Ok, the poster I agree the most with is Alaskan Wolf who has been in the same position.

Again: NO I DID NOT RUN vB ILLEGALY! How could I complain that if I did. Also my name ShareFile comes from a FileSharing service I once ran (word/excel etc document storage)... lol @ that someone who thinks I am a Warez man...

Thing is that Jelsoft is a bunch of crap and they can kiss my greek arse! NukePirates which are working exclusively for them play god. They deleted MY WHOLE SERVER WITH ACCOUNTS ON IT and even left a funny message with a lot of swear words. My regards to Jelsoft that they are capable of nuking/hacking/cracking (their clients) servers. They are PATHETIC! And SICK!

I am GLAD I don't have anything to do with such dangerous crooks/pirates/terrorists!!!

Originally posted by MilkMan
Why else would someone register a name just for this thread.Because we (well, me anyway) fell that the vB/Jelsoft team are being wrongly accused for something that they shouldn't be. Why do people give evidence at a murder trial? Because they feel it's the right thing to do.Originally posted by MilkMan
Funny thing is, it's been going to the same hotmail address that I used to register/purchase the software to begin with.I fail to see why that is funny. That's the email you gave them, so that's what they use. Where else do you think they should send them?Originally posted by MilkMan
Kinda funny that they still have a record of my purchasing email address to send out newsletters yet when it comes to verify my purchase, they can't seem to match it up.err... I fail to find that funny too. If you fail to do what they ask of you (tell them the URL of your board), then how else do you think they can verify your purchase? I can't see the connection between your hotmail email address and this thread.Originally posted by MilkMan
Seems the problem is on their end, not mine. I have my proof of purchase, don't blame me if they can't find their copy.OK, please share with us how you think the vB team/Jelsoft should do it. I personally can't think of a better way. Can you? If you can't, then please STFU and move alongOriginally posted by MilkMan
Ahh, that us might refer to Annie Mei and DWZ, and if Scooby and the gang were here, they'd pull the masks off and reveal them to be Jelsoft ppl in disguise. me? Jelsoft people? ROFLMAO... Yeah, sure. If only I was paid or got vB for free <insert dream sequence here>... A quick look on the vB forums (.com or .org) will quickly find that I'm not.Originally posted by ShareFile
which are working exclusively for them play godIt doesn't look like it: http://www.nukepirates.com/about.htmOriginally posted by ShareFile
They deleted MY WHOLE SERVER WITH ACCOUNTS ON IT and even left a funny message with a lot of swear words.How are you sure it was Jelsoft or NukePirates? Have you got some sort of server logs that come from their IP address? If you do, I am sorry, I was wrong, please contact abuse@theirISP.com . But I doubt you have that. Why? Because they didn't do it.

Originally posted by DWZ
How are you sure it was Jelsoft or NukePirates? Have you got some sort of server logs that come from their IP address? If you do, I am sorry, I was wrong, please contact abuse@theirISP.com . But I doubt you have that. Why? Because they didn't do it.

Yes I do have that, otherwise I would not know who they are and even accuse them. Also they didn't make any secret out of who they are, that's why I said they "play god".

Bottom line: I am AFRAID now... these guys are ruthless and I fear for my hosting business cause they will take revenge at me, I know :mad:

do you really think a legal binding contract will hold up in court , by clicking the "ok" button (its impossible to prove that anyone entered into a contract just by clicking a button, i deal with this daily). Most legal contracts consist of a signature/verbal agreement ... lmao . Anyways , im sure this person made the purchase with a credit card , being he/she made this purchase over the internet , its consider a non-qualified purchase (no signature), which means , jelsoft doesnt have any proof in the end that the person/cardholder did or did not purchase this software . As far as court is concerned , do the ends justify the means , will it cost more for the plane ticket and the lawyers time to work on what looks like a 30-160 dollar case . Maybe they have paralegals like annie-mei working on it for them , who knows. All i know is that they have a bad system for keeping track of there sales . Dont worry people , we have developers trying to bring the same things to life as vB , the only thing is , they're not greedy , and they wont harress you if forgot to update the forums name or url , get phpbb or what i just discovered tonight , invision , which is beautiful ...thats my 2 cents

I think DWZ is NulePirates.Com. He regged just for this thread and talks as he is them.

From his profile:
Date Registered: 06-10-2002
Status: Newbie
Total Posts: 6 (6 posts per day)
Last Post: 06-11-2002 09:51 AM
VBULLETIN and JELSOFT SUCK DEEPLY

Please stop hurting my hosting business! I payed for vB and don't even use it anymore. I use IKONboard! Leave me alone!!!

Now, hold on there a second, hoss. You're making a lot of claims in this thread, some of which are fairly serious. If you have evidence that anyone attached to NukePirates "deleted" your whole server, then you should be contacting the proper authorities, not posting to his forum about it. Even though you are not in the US, you should be aware that libel is libel, anywhere you go. If you do not possess the evidence directly linking those folks to whatever happened to your server, then you are opening yourself up for legal action.

I'm sure Chicken could check DWZ's posting IP for you and see if it comes from anywhere near Bakersfield, CA. You might think that he/she is with NP because they disagree with you, but to claim it outright with zero proof is (quite frankly) silly. To further claim that he/she is hurting your hosting business...well, you brought up the entire thread, didn't you? You should not post things in a very active, public forum if you don't want people to talk about them.

No I think he is with NP because he signed up just for this thread and 6 of 6 posts are in this thread. Half the people here disagree with me and I value their opinion and don't say they are with NP!!!

Libel? HAH! I'd wish they come here to sue me, those bloody terrrorists, and I would give them a tour of Athens and throw their nuking pirate Jelsoft arses off the Acropolis... why did over 80 of my hosting clients have to suffer almost a day of downtime? Why did I have to restore my whole server? I tell you why: Because I bought this stupid stupid php scribt called vB... and signed my death sentence in the same action. Good I don't have to deal with (JelSoft-Cyber-) TERRROISTS anymore!!!

its more then obvious these two people have registered to promote whats in "their" best interest . I find it sad that companies will allow thrid parties to go to this extreme , it really hurts the company name when people are attacked like this , maybe this group should find better means of making sure there claims are legit before making comments that they could be held liable for, you're lucky you are protected by wht . Anyways , nukepirates looks like a sleazy collections agency , with no technology involved , just threats . I wonder what would happen if someone did the same thing to them for making false claims . I think some of the people on this forum should have their lawyers call :

Gurley, Charles
Legal Research Associates, LP
Ste. 13B
Oceanside, CA 92057
Phone:(760) 439-4481 (FAX) (760) 754-441
Phone: 661-832-5633

See what he has to say about this whole situation , and discuss his legal proceedings with your representation . If chicken was to help with the ip's , which im not sure he can , he would need to look for san diego and bakersfield , being there pobox is in bakersfield and there office is in san diego .

Originally posted by ShareFile
Again: NO I DID NOT RUN vB ILLEGALY! How could I complain that if I did. [/b]

What do you mean "how could I complain"> People complain. You have not offered anything on your end to be pissed off about.

Did you violate your license agreement?
Were you runninga lease licensed pass the 1 year since you purchased it?
Did you keep out-dated info with them?

Post the actual letter from Nukepirates and we will determne if they were wrong or not. If they aren't wrong, then you have no right to be complaining. Just face up to the fact that you were caught and move on.



Thing is that Jelsoft is a bunch of crap and they can kiss my greek arse! NukePirates which are working exclusively for them play god.

Why? Because you were caught with an illegal version? Because you violated your users agreement with them? The only person who is coming off as a little boy crying is you. Dont expect us to cry over your mistakes. Face up to what you did wrong. Dont be a whiny little baby. Post that letter.

Since you wont offer any valid argument as to why Jelsoft was wrong, we have to assume that yOU were negligent in all of this. Too bad..so sad.


They deleted MY WHOLE SERVER WITH ACCOUNTS ON IT and even left a funny message with a lot of swear words. My regards to Jelsoft that they are capable of nuking/hacking/cracking (their clients) servers. They are PATHETIC! And SICK!

OH NOW WE KNOW you are lying. You've just lost ALL your credibilty now. How can they delete your accts yet leave a message? (If they deleted your accts, that means EVERYTHING is gone. Email, webspace). Damn, you can't even keep your story straight.

Jelsoft has no control over your website. They contacted you, what did you do? Nothing right? They gave you time to correct the information. Jelsoft allows at least 2 weeks for you get back to them (that's what I've seen in the last nukepirates letter) with your correct information; to purchase a valid license; or to remove the software from your site. You mean to say that you sat and did nothing? Even after receiving that letter?

Well, since YOU DID Nothing, Jelsoft had to contact your webhost. Your actions caused them to get an answer from your webhost. YOUR WEBHOST decided to kick you off. Dont blame Jelsoft for your mistakes. IT all lied with the decision of your webhost. So take it up with them.

I am GLAD I don't have anything to do with such dangerous crooks/pirates/terrorists!!!

The only pirate here, looks to me is you, and you were spanked by your webhost for being one. Good riddance.

Annie , how are YOU so sure of yourself ? Can you present any evidence of foul play ? Yeah , i didnt think so .... your points are just as invalid as his , both of you have nothing , quit grasping at straws . For a second someone might have agreed with you , but your arrogance has turned ignorant

You stupid nuke-pirate-terrorist bitch: I don't have a webhost you psycho you have my SERVER deleted... I OWN my servers I don't have a webhost that kicked me. You sleezy scumbags nuked my server, my property... ooohhh by the name of God If I was in the US I would nuke YOU but for REAL!!!!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

Originally posted by Annie-Mei


<SNIP>Nothing there worth repeating.:rolleyes:

I think you need to go back and play with your Barbie dolls. You seem to enjoy pretending to be all growed up.

I find it unbelievable that you would be so certain of Jelsofts' level of involvement in this matter if you did not have something to gain by attempting to discredit someone elses experience.

Move on.

If this doesn't concern you, or anything you have any valid interests in; move on. Leave. Someone is trying to share their experiences with others on this forum. Yet you have decided they are all criminals and you should be appointed judge, jury, and executioner.

Move on.

And have a nice day. :)

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Again. No. No they don't.
If they were contacted that www.somesite.com was running pirated software; would it not be prudent to contact anybody@somesite.com?

You're assuming that said website has email as well. There are several sites that dont use the same email address as their domain name. I dont. I use a different email service for my domain contact address.

They look through the site. They see the "CONTACT US" Link that is found on nearly every site that is run with Vbulletin. They use that.

If nothing, then they pull the information from the registration information. That much is known for a fact. If they find any other contact email address on the website, they use it.

Again, how can you blame Jelsoft if they (site owners) refuse to answer Email (found on their websites or contact info) or their emails bounce? That is to the limit of what they can do. A phone call (via the registration info if correct) or mailing address (again via the registration info, if cocrect and we know many people LIE on their registrations for their websites) they will try. But that is all they can do.

You want them to fly to their home to verify their info?


Wouldn't the right thing to do (provided they had already searched their database and found no information on somesite.com) be contact somesite.com and ask them for proof before contacting their upstream provider and stating that they had exhausted all avenues and know for a fact that www.somesite.com is runing an illegal copy of their software?


They do. They let Nukepirates do that for them. Again, you haven't seen the letter. The letter addresses that the software running on the site is questionable and the owner has 3 choices to consider:

Go to vbulletin to verify their info
Go and purchase a legal version
REmove the software from their site.

If their contact info is not available via the website or via their registration information, HOW do you suggest for them to contact the owner of the site?

They contact the owner by issuing a notice to their webhost provider. ITs up TO THE wEBHOST to decide what to do. They can work with the owner (they may have other CONTACT info not available to Jelsoft) and do it that way.

If you want to stop spam from soandso.com do you contact soandso.com (the spammer) or the webhost?


You haven't offered any other valid way that they could try to contact the person who owns the website that isn't publicly availalbe. So please enlighten us as to how Jelsoft can contact a site owner without doing the above ways?


[quote]No. No they don't (or at times haven't) do everything that they can do. :rolleyes:[/quote


So then provide the OTHER ways that I've missed completely. I've covered all the bases, yet you haven't provided any other way to contact a site owner.

Originally posted by ShareFile
You stupid nuke-pirate-terrorist bitch: I don't have a webhost you psycho you have my SERVER deleted... I OWN my servers I don't have a webhost that kicked me. You sleezy scumbags nuked my server, my property... ooohhh by the name of God If I was in the US I would nuke YOU but for REAL!!!!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:


Oh, so you own those t3 lines that go into your home then huh?

Man, dude, you really need to take a chill pill. Now that you were caught in a lie, you can only resort to name calling? Hmm?

Again, post that letter.
Provide a link to that "message" they left along with the IP address (but then again, knowing the liar that you are, you'd forge that anyway).

Your argument is just getting weaker and weaker and weaker.

OK people,
you're obviously beating a dead horse.

Sharefile: you should stop writing more stuff about Jelsoft/whoever right away, because, indeed, this may be construed as libel and you may run into a legal wall, here.
If they really wiped out your site, you should contact the FBI.

Annie-Mei: obviously a Jelsoft asset. Your arguments (I quote: "How can they delete your accts yet leave a message? (If they deleted your accts, that means EVERYTHING is gone. Email, webspace)") are just plain fallacious.

I think Chicken should close this thread and everybody should do what they have to do in real life, not here.

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Nothing there worth repeating.:rolleyes:

I think you need to go back and play with your Barbie dolls. You seem to enjoy pretending to be all growed up.

I find it unbelievable that you would be so certain of Jelsofts' level of involvement in this matter if you did not have something to gain by attempting to discredit someone elses experience.

Move on.

If this doesn't concern you, or anything you have any valid interests in; move on. Leave. Someone is trying to share their experiences with others on this forum. Yet you have decided they are all criminals and you should be appointed judge, jury, and executioner.

Move on.

And have a nice day. :)

Doesnt seem that you offered anything of importance to this thread either. So why dont you "move along' hmm?

Originally posted by Annie-Mei

Again, how can you blame Jelsoft if they (site owners) refuse to answer Email (found on their websites or contact info) or their emails bounce? That is to the limit of what they can do. A phone call (via the registration info if correct) or mailing address (again via the registration info, if cocrect and we know many people LIE on their registrations for their websites) they will try. But that is all they can do.

They do. They let Nukepirates do that for them. Again, you haven't seen the letter. The letter addresses that the software running on the site is questionable and the owner has 3 choices to consider:
[quote]No. No they don't (or at times haven't) do everything that they can do. :rolleyes:[/quote


So then provide the OTHER ways that I've missed completely. I've covered all the bases, yet you haven't provided any other way to contact a site owner.

Why u talk of "Jelsoft and NukePirates"? Why don't you say US you underclassed cyber-criminals. I NEVER got contacted! What for? My LEGAL and PAYED vBulletin??? Ah you are PATHETIC! I will inform EVERY INTERNET USER I come across about Jelsoft and NukePIRATES so help me god!!!!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

Originally posted by Annie-Mei


You're assuming that said website has email as well. . . . . . . LOL I ain't assumin' crap. :pimp:

As I explained in an earlier post, I'm not referencing the thread starter or others in the thread. I am speaking from personal experience.

Do you ever bother to read? Or do you just like to make these wild assumptions of yours that everybody that is accused of something must be a criminal?

What's wrong with you? :eek2:

Chemical imbalance maybe?

Originally posted by case
its more then obvious these two people have registered to promote whats in "their" best interest . I find it sad that companies will allow thrid parties to go to this extreme , it really hurts the company name when people are attacked like this , maybe this group should find better means of making sure there claims are legit before making comments that they could be held liable for, you're lucky you are protected by wht . Anyways , nukepirates looks like a sleazy collections agency , with no technology involved , just threats . I wonder what would happen if someone did the same thing to them for making false claims . I think some of the people on this forum should have their lawyers call :

Gurley, Charles
Legal Research Associates, LP
Ste. 13B
Oceanside, CA 92057
Phone:(760) 439-4481 (FAX) (760) 754-441
Phone: 661-832-5633

See what he has to say about this whole situation , and discuss his legal proceedings with your representation . If chicken was to help with the ip's , which im not sure he can , he would need to look for san diego and bakersfield , being there pobox is in bakersfield and there office is in san diego .

Before commenting on how Nukepirates.com does things, Why not ask to see this letter.

Why ShareFile has not posted it, is because it will show YOU all that he is entirely OVER =REACTING to what it said.

If you forget to pay your visa for 4 months, they dont send you the collections notice, not they send it to a collections agency to send you a letter to pay up or face legal action. Same thing.

Jumping to conclusions on this is entirely to swift on everyone's parts in this, especially those that dont know how Jelsoft handles things or what Nukepirates.com has done in the past.

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
LOL I ain't assumin' crap. :pimp:

As I explained in an earlier post, I'm not referencing the thread starter or others in the thread. I am speaking from personal experience.

Do you ever bother to read? Or do you just like to make these wild assumptions of yours that everybody that is accused of something must be a criminal?

What's wrong with you? :eek2:

Chemical imbalance maybe?

NO, just proving your assumptions are wrong
Still haven't offered any other way that I've missed in which a company can try to contact the site owner.

So far I've offered:

1. Email addresses found on website.
2. Email addresses as provided through "Contact Us" link.
3. Email address found on registrant info for website.
4. Phone number found on registrant info for website
5. Mailing address found on registrant info for website.
6. Contacting Webhost to handle site owner in question.

Please, offer any other way. The fact that you haven't seems to be clear enough.

Also resorting to name calling as well as teasing ones personal health shows your immaturity. This is not a playground.

Again SINCE NO ONE has bothered to:

OFFER A BETTER Way that Jelsoft can handle suspected pirated sites?

Otherwise, just do what your asked and stop bitching about it.

So we all should "move on" that's what I always hear. BTW: This letter is underway to the FBI since yesterday. I might be in Greece but I will take every action against you possible.

And btw: When I say "NUKE you for REAL" I mean coming there in person and kicking your arse from California to Hawai and back again :angry:

ANd some more "info"
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22730

I've been following this thread from the beginning and was actually thinking of purchasing a vB in the future, but based on this, it looks like I'll need my receipt (from the order accepted" page and have it notarized, photocopied and archived both phyically and electronically.

Anyways...
From a neutral standpoint, this thread has gone through 7 pages of just plain BS, name calling, insults, & accusations, and has gone absolutely nowhere within 7 pages.

Like cyansmoker said, I think this thread should get locked, cause all its gonig to do is turn into a flame war and a lot of people will walk out with a questionable reputation (like it has already probably done).

Just my 2 cents.
:beer:

Originally posted by ShareFile


Why u talk of "Jelsoft and NukePirates"? Why don't you say US you underclassed cyber-criminals. I NEVER got contacted! What for? My LEGAL and PAYED vBulletin??? Ah you are PATHETIC! I will inform EVERY INTERNET USER I come across about Jelsoft and NukePIRATES so help me god!!!!!! :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

TAKE A CHILL pill. You aint sounding coherent there. You are also not reading the post because you are seeing red than the words.
You have not answered any of the questions as well


1. The only people who will contact you about a suspected pirated version is nukepirates on behalf of Jelsoft. AS EXPLAINED earlier in this thread, Nukepirate is an association of lawyers who handle Thousands of these cases a year and Jelsoft is one of their clients.

2. Show the letter that they sent to you stating that you were running a pirated version.

3. Did you outright ignore that letter after it was sent to you or did you do everything in your power to verify the information with Jelsoft.

4. Were you running a leased license or an owned license (this is not clear from your original rant). With a lease license, you are only allowed to run the software on your site for one year from date of purchase. If you do not renew your lease for the next year, YOU have to remove the software from your server. That is in the license agreement.

Your complaint is slowly falling apart. And you're begining to not make sense.

Jelsoft can't "delete" anything of yours. Whoever is providing you your connectivity can. Your complaint is with those who decided to boot you as a customer.

If you forget to pay your visa for 4 months, they dont send you the collections notice, not they send it to a collections agency to send you a letter to pay up or face legal action. Same thing.

How many people have not payed a visa bill , and had legal action takin against them , i used to work for one of the the largest collections agencys in the world "AIC" allied international , they didnt even have a legal department for credit card claims . Anyways , i honor your cunning attempts , in trying to sound smart . Im not buying it , nor is anyone else . You're grasping at straws once again . You have presented nothing , just like the other party , making your statements just as null as theirs . Im done with this topic , and i finally get to use the ignore feature vB has made available for us , lovely

You never stop do you? Those chemicals again? Ok go ahead and justify your criminal terrorist activities. YOu might have damaged my hosting business by nuking my servers but the FBI will be all over you soon as I will find others where you did the same and I am herby offering a 100$ reward (max 10 times = 1000$) to the first 10 people who have also HARD EVIDENCE of Jelsoft terroist activities like this that I can use agains them.

They are in England, I am in Greece and Germany... very close to the UK and I want to go legal now!

Originally posted by ShareFile
Bottom line: I am AFRAID now... these guys are ruthless and I fear for my hosting business cause they will take revenge at me, I know :mad: I think you should email abuse@theirISP.com right now personally. But *shrug* your choice. From what I see, you can do one of two things: Report them to their ISP and bring them down STFUMake your choice.Originally posted by ShareFile
I think DWZ is NulePirates.Com. He regged just for this thread and talks as he is them.

From his profile:
Date Registered: 06-10-2002
Status: Newbie
Total Posts: 6 (6 posts per day)
Last Post: 06-11-2002 09:51 AM
VBULLETIN and JELSOFT SUCK DEEPLY Think what you like, a quick look at my IP will show I live in Australia, in victoria on OptusNet cable Internet (can a mod please confirm this). I told you my reason for posting in this thread. If you have forgotten, please read my post(s).Originally posted by ShareFile
Please stop hurting my hosting business! I payed for vB and don't even use it anymore. I use IKONboard! Leave me alone!!!If that comment is to me, I don't even know what your business is, nor do I care, so I fail to see how I am hurting it. I really couldn't care what board you use (although I think vB is better). If you want me to leave you alone, stop replying to this thread, and I want have anything to talk about.Originally posted by Annette
Now, hold on there a second, hoss. You're making a lot of claims in this thread, some of which are fairly serious. If you have evidence that anyone attached to NukePirates "deleted" your whole server, then you should be contacting the proper authorities, not posting to his forum about it. I totally agree.Originally posted by Annette
I'm sure Chicken could check DWZ's posting IP for you and see if it comes from anywhere near Bakersfield, CA.Please, go ahead, post my hostmark, you have my full authorization (please remove the first bit though, I don't like the idea of my full hostmark being out in the open when people think I have deleted their sites...) I think you will find that my hostmark is: c*****.eburwd1.vic.optusnet.com.au Note .au = Australia optusnet = OptusNet cable internet (ISP) vic = Victoria (state) eburwd1 = my local node, East Burwood if you must know c***** = me (the ***** is five numbers which I don't really want to post here.)Originally posted by Annette
You might think that he/she is with NP because they disagree with you, but to claim it outright with zero proof is (quite frankly) silly. To further claim that he/she is hurting your hosting business...well, you brought up the entire thread, didn't you? You should not post things in a very active, public forum if you don't want people to talk about them.Thank you :) oh, and BTW, i'm male :)Originally posted by ShareFile
No I think he is with NP because he signed up just for this thread and 6 of 6 posts are in this thread. For reasons answered in above posts ^^^^Originally posted by ShareFile
Why did I have to restore my whole server? I tell you why: Because I bought this stupid stupid php scribt called vB... :rolleyes: Originally posted by Annie-Mei
Did you keep out-dated info with them?

Post the actual letter from Nukepirates and we will determne if they were wrong or not. Yes, I would like to know these two things too....

Originally posted by Annie-Mei


NO, just proving your assumptions are wrong
Still haven't offered any other way that I've missed in which a company can try to contact the site owner.

So far I've offered:

1. Email addresses found on website.
2. Email addresses as provided through "Contact Us" link.
3. Email address found on registrant info for website.
4. Phone number found on registrant info for website
5. Mailing address found on registrant info for website.
6. Contacting Webhost to handle site owner in question.

Please, offer any other way. The fact that you haven't seems to be clear enough.

Also resorting to name calling as well as teasing ones personal health shows your immaturity. This is not a playground.

Again SINCE NO ONE has bothered to:

OFFER A BETTER Way that Jelsoft can handle suspected pirated sites?

Otherwise, just do what your asked and stop bitching about it. Here's an idea . . . . . . Listen. Can ya do that? I'll type r e a l l y r e a l l y s l o w.

Try to keep up.

I have related to you my personal experiences with Jelsoft.

Nothing to do with the original thread starter.

Are ya still listenin??

Good.

Then I shall explain further.

Once upon a time there was a website. The website was a forum. The forum was a lincensed vBulletin board. It was a happy place.
One day, without warning, an email arrived the host of said forum from the evil FearSalt (name changed to protect children and small animals).

Are ya still following me? Or are you going to go off on some wild tangent that reaches nowhere again?

As long as I have your undivided attention, I shall continue.

The forum of this story (a true story I will add) had contact information on their site. They had followed all FearSalts' licensing procedures. The email that the evil FearSalt sent to the happy forums' web provider claimed that FearSalt had exhausted all avenues and could state with full certainty that happy forum was using illegal software and that happy forum should be burnt to the ground. When, in fact, all FearSalt would have needed to do (since they kept such a messy house and couldn't find something that they just had less than six weeks ago) was to contact happy forum and ask them to provide information that they did indeed own their home.

Now, the narrator of this story would like to give you all the details, yet he feels you would benefit from the search on your own. Not because it's 6:30 in the morning where he lives and he hasn't been to bed yet :( but because . . . . . well yes it is because it's 6:30 in the morning and he hasn't been to bed yet.

I'm just going to leave it as it is.

If you would like to keep spinning some wild tales about how you know something works, yet you're in no way affiliated with it; you just go ahead.

Me? I'm going to bed.

g'night:cartman:

Originally posted by ShareFile
So we all should "move on" that's what I always hear. BTW: This letter is underway to the FBI since yesterday. I might be in Greece but I will take every action against you possible.

Now you REALLY aren't making any sense.

Why would you write to the FBI about people who are protecting the rights of their clients???

And btw: When I say "NUKE you for REAL" I mean coming there in person and kicking your arse from California to Hawai and back again :angry:[/quote


SO ARE YOU IN GREECE OR IN CALI? Make up your mind.

[quote]ANd some more "info"
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22730

That thread alone defeats your argument.

Terrorist activity??? This is getting out of hand now and going nowhere.

Thread closed. If you're going to take them to court then do so, you're not going to get any compensation on the forums.