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Tim Greer

02-03-2001, 06:44 PM

I'm not exactly sure what good it does to lock threads, explain to people to post about the issues, only to have a page of responses with more sarcastic, petty remarks and insults. How are these relevant, now?

If anyone thinks I posted because I am insane or have some vindictive manner about me, I'd sure like to know what reason I'd have to have a vendetta against VDI. What I said, he admitted, he said I was wrong about the "place". I wasn't going to simply ignore the other information I was told, since there are laws about the authorities confiscating property in busts.

I posted to inform people of the issues in entirety, to point out the bad move on many company's parts, not to clash ego's or argue with friends of people I posted the information I knew about. The issues I brought up, were entirely relevant, it's expected the companies won't want that information posted and will be upset. Of course. But, that's what I assumed this board was for. I see it's gotten to some lame NG attitude, where people are going to "choose sides" and do just what the people above did, and try and play it off, while trying to shoot the messenger.

So be it, I'm done with this. Nothing will change with the hosts in question, and I've said all I need to say. I know many people that are moving off of Burst, UltraSpeed and VDI... Mind you, these people weren't just mindlessly influenced by my information, nor because they are acquaintances or friends of mine and not put any thought into it. So, maybe some people have been spared from this nightmare that is so obvious.

Nonetheless, there are a few people that are still there and I do work for them (in fact, one was just moving there that was a high traffic site), so I can't jeopardize their service or continue to post here with the truth, because it could have adverse affects on their service. I'm not being forced to, or required to, but to make sure I don't give anyone the wrong impression that I'm somehow representing some of my employer's, I'll do the fair thing and leave it at what I said. After all, I think I said all that needs to be said anyway, and this is going absolutely nowhere. Believe me, it's not like there's ever a good, friendly, civil way to expose someone -- and this response by a very limited number of people out of the majority, was to be expected when it's about their upstream provider or business associate. May arrogance save them... :-)
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William

02-03-2001, 06:57 PM

Hey Tim, I don`t know what to say, All we get are Server orders up the arse.. cancelations ??

People say you smell funny and smoke stuff, and i have a picture of you and 6 sheeps, I`ll post it later, when i dig it up.

But i Didn`t say anything till you started :)
All you do is yell whine and know it all....

Is your wife a realdoll.com too?

There is no way she can put up with you.

VDI does dealing of what ?

I was wonder where you pulled that one out of....

Could it be the real dolly.

I`ll start making servers for you ok ?

HEMP.VDI.NET
CANDY.VDI.NET

I`ll even discount it for you.

ANyone that knows me Personaly, knows I do not Smoke "STUff" SNort Candy" and not related to "the stuff your pulled out of your arse"

I`m here 28 hours a day, and 8 days a week to take care of my clients.

And you whine about a $1000.00 bucks that Jordan owes you ????? and start all this ????

Do you need the Money ??

Tim I just like to say this: Your a fake, and a little tiny wimp, who hides behind the computer day in and day out.

I`ll talk to you later and your 6 sheep Friends, and the Real Dolly.

:)

Luv BIll

CRego3D

02-03-2001, 07:02 PM

Tim

Put your dam money where you mouth is, and show me those pictures or proof of what you accuse VDI of

I'm tired of hypocrites like you coming here and starting threads like this.

You are obviously some loser with interest in seeing other companies fail, if Jordan F**** you for 1K .. well, that's between you and him, but do not come here and insult had working people live we are, we do a damm good job at VDI (I speak as a VDI employee, not Wizards Hosting .. hell I speak for BOTH)

VDI might not be the biggest or the better, but it's getting there.

CRego3D

02-03-2001, 07:03 PM

Humm

Bill, you posted while I was writing, didn't saw your comments .. but I guess they express the same frustration

Tim Greer

02-03-2001, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by William
Hey Tim, I don`t know what to say, All we get are Server orders up the arse.. cancelations ??

Whatever Bill. I got a few job offers just from people seeing my posts to you and my intgrity. You say what you like, I'm confident I'm not a bad person, even if you don't like me.

People say you smell funny and smoke stuff, and i have a picture of you and 6 sheeps, I`ll post it later, when i dig it up.

But i Didn`t say anything till you started :)
All you do is yell whine and know it all....

Is your wife a realdoll.com too?

There is no way she can put up with you.

VDI does dealing of what ?

I was wonder where you pulled that one out of....

Could it be the real dolly.

I`ll start making servers for you ok ?

HEMP.VDI.NET
CANDY.VDI.NET

I`ll even discount it for you.

ANyone that knows me Personaly, knows I do not Smoke "STUff" SNort Candy" and not related to "the stuff your pulled out of your arse"

I`m here 28 hours a day, and 8 days a week to take care of my clients.

And you whine about a $1000.00 bucks that Jordan owes you ????? and start all this ????

Do you need the Money ??

Do I sound like I do? Obviously this would ensure I DON'T get paid, if anything. Does this sound like a guy that's looking to get paid?

Tim I just like to say this: Your a fake, and a little tiny wimp, who hides behind the computer day in and day out.

A fake? Care to elaborate? Tiny, wimp? This is sad...

I`ll talk to you later and your 6 sheep Friends, and the Real Dolly.

:)

Luv BIll

I don't understand, you admit to the picture, why are you arguing? Anyway, I'm done with this, for the exact reasons -- your petty responses. Tell people whatever you want to about VDI.. it's none of my business anymore. Make whatever excuses you like.
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Jonah

02-03-2001, 07:19 PM

Why not settle this on ICQ or email?

Tim Greer

02-03-2001, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by CRego3D
Tim

Put your dam money where you mouth is, and show me those pictures or proof of what you accuse VDI of

Hello friend of VDI... I suggest you refer to the post of Bill's, where he admitted about the picture, so why do I ned to prove it to you myself? Furthermore, do you *really* think the pictures (that Bill admitted to) are still going to be posted on a web site? Nice try.

I'm tired of hypocrites like you coming here and starting threads like this.

Hypocrites? I suggest you seek the assistance of a DICTIONARY, because that makes no sense at all. Perhaps you can actaullty provide a reason for that? And not my attitude that is a reaction to your and Billie's responses.

You are obviously some loser with interest in seeing other companies fail,

Why and how is that? I posted about these companies in question, to ensure many business' don't fail because of someone else's poor service. What possible reason could I have? Many people post here with warning's about web hosts that are valid, that's fine. But since my valid warning is about your pal, you say I'm intent on ruining companies?

if Jordan F**** you for 1K .. well, that's between you and him,

Didn't say it wasn't or was. I brought up relevant issues about it.

but do not come here and insult had working people live we are, we do a damm good job at VDI (I speak as a VDI employee, not Wizards Hosting .. hell I speak for BOTH)

Well, a VDI employee having your attitude and response. Gee, imagine that. Yeah, great job there! Hey, it's not like I NARCed on you guy's, calm down. Finally, don't give me this crap about insults, when that's all yourself and Bill have done. Either of you could have cleared up the issue by stating the facts, rather than insulting and arguing.

VDI might not be the biggest or the better, but it's getting there.

Certainly not due to any efforts by yourself or Bill.

Anyway, you guy's make it difficult to end this. As I said, I'm done... and now this is going to be my last post, and people can see for themselves what you people are like. My mission is accomplished, you'll ruin youselves. It's ended.
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klisis

02-03-2001, 07:28 PM

Grrrr...

William

02-03-2001, 07:32 PM

I said there was a PIc of what looked like person "not in VDI" doing something.

Hows the Dolly :)

William

02-03-2001, 07:48 PM

Can we all vote to have this "wasted Thread deleted"

qps

02-03-2001, 07:48 PM

I'm personally sick of all of this drama. Take it elsewhere.

agreenfield

02-03-2001, 07:51 PM

:stan:
I feel left out, Tim has yet to take any shots at my character *pout*

Tim Greer

02-03-2001, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by agreenfield
:stan:
I feel left out, Tim has yet to take any shots at my character *pout*

Please now, this has ended. It's not going to convince anyone of anything, to continue and have VDI and "DarkOrb Communcations" people continue to try and defame me. The facts are there. Don't agree, or clear them up... Again, it's ended. Stop making it so difficult to END! Let it die already!

You know, I keep saying I won't post again, and here I am. This is getting old. This goes for all the VDI/D-orb people. Get over it or clear it up -- rather than post more and more petty insults and argue and be generally stupid, just post something to clear it up and you won't have to defend youselves. Maybe people will even believe it! That's a good general conclusion. So, toodles...
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agreenfield

02-03-2001, 08:04 PM

Dude.... I was making a joke....
continue to breath.
You just seem generally upset (and more than willing the let the rest of the world know)
I am not "attacking" you, just trying to make lite of the situation.

*sigh* ask and ye shall recieve I guess

SickofAds

02-03-2001, 08:04 PM

Bill, Carlos: do you honestly not understand the type of image you are giving yourself? Do you not care? I don't think I've ever seen such juvenile behavior since the whole TH issue. Companies should address matters like this with discretion or not at all. There's also that whole coherence issue. The two of you would do well to reread what you're about to post because you sound like uneducated kids.

Strike two more possibles off the list. Never would I recommend a host or provider who acts in the manner that you two do. It doesn't matter how irritated you might be and it doesn't matter how much you try to rationalize what you've posted here. It has a great bearing on the amount of faith one would instill in someone who acts like you have. It's ugly. It's nasty. It's pathetic. It's also a sure way to negate anything good you might have to offer because the attitude gets in the way.

hostShopping2

02-03-2001, 08:06 PM

Please don't delete this thread. I understand that you are disturbed by what Tim has said. Even if it's true (and I have no clue nor any opinion about it), it was kind of a cheap shot in my view and unnecessary.

But William, I didn't really care for your reply either. It was also kind of cheap and you didn't stay "above it".

But I want to thank webhostingtalk.com for providing this forum where all the views can be put out for all to see and the way the company's behave is also out here. Deleting this thread would really kill that benefit.

The silver lining is that Burst has behaved OK so far. They could have been better, but not bad. Hopefully it'll stay this way and stability can reign.

CRego3D

02-03-2001, 08:13 PM

SickofAds

I was wondering how long it would take you to post

Anyway, I am done too

You guys have fun

William

02-03-2001, 08:21 PM

Yes i acted like i was 15 again, I just lost my mind when I saw that out of the Blue, with "absolutly no" reason. Still COnfused on why it was even said.

I get very Defensive over the company that is hosting "quite a few thousand" businesses.

For something that served no purpose other then to damage a company reputation or to start another fire.

Once again, I regret on over reacting.

missnglnk

02-03-2001, 08:33 PM

Why does the name calling and finger pointing persist? If you have a problem with an ISP or any other sort of provider, take it up with the provider, instead of inciting public mudslinging between different unrelated companies and unrelated individuals.

One, Tim, if you have a problem with not being paid for your contract work, take it up with the company in question or file a lawsuit at your local municipal court.

Two, Tim, if I told you I worked for Alabanza, used every illicit controlled substance on the planet, and do it in the NOC, from the way your portray yourself here, you would probably believe me without doing any investigation on your part.

Three, Tim, throwing random accusations at web hosts that you conjure up on your spare time should be kept to yourself. It's pretty serious when you accuse a company of having controlled substances in their facilities or employees of damaging equipment in a company's facilities.

Four, William, boasting about the number of server orders you receive daily when someone states there have been several cancellations from the aforementioned web hosting companies just adds unnecessary fuel to the fire, and the addition of several childish comments does not help either in ending this mudslinging session anytime soon.

Five, Carlos, watch out what words you use in a post, you may further enrage the other party which is generally a Bad Thing(tm), and again name calling is generally undesired during an argument which has already sunk to a childish level.

I apologize if I offended anyone with this post, but there were statements that needed to be conveyed to the aforementioned parties, this silly 'war' needs to come to an end.

Nashoba

02-03-2001, 08:44 PM

Yes please don't delete this. This thread contains valuable demonstrations of how these hosts handle themselves. I apprecitate Tim's efforts and the information that he has posted. I have no idea if they are just rumours but I think that the way that VDI has responded says a lot. If what Tim has posted is not true and he knows that it is not true then that would certainly be libelous. Wouldn't it make more sense for VDI to be in contact with their lawyer instead of making themselves look even worse by responding in such an incoherent and childish manner?

SickofAds

02-03-2001, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by CRego3D
SickofAds

I was wondering how long it would take you to post

Why? Because I've pointed out something that should have occurred to you before you posted what you did? This is just another indication to me that you simply don't get it, as they say. Like I said, you and Bill can try to rationalize this all you want. People remember the way you act in the forums. And this forum is going through an evolution that is not entirely pleasant to watch.

Tim Greer

02-03-2001, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by missnglnk
[B]Why does the name calling and finger pointing persist? If you have a problem with an ISP or any other sort of provider, take it up with the provider, instead of inciting public mudslinging between different unrelated companies and unrelated individuals.

Unrelated? What happens at a NOC that these site's are on, is not unrelated. Stop trying to play "hero" and act like you're the voice of reason and come charging in with a host of petty insults and an unjustified hostile attitude. Apparently, you just see a situation and get so worked up, you can't control yourself. Try reading what it was about, before acting like a complete jerk.

One, Tim, if you have a problem with not being paid for your contract work, take it up with the company in question or file a lawsuit at your local municipal court.

Pay attention, that wasn't the issue. Furthermore, the company was sold and the people that bought them, claim no liability. I made that point, as they have always practiced that policy. Read about it more in-depth where I explained how and why this affects their clients.

Two, Tim, if I told you I worked for Alabanza, used every illicit controlled substance on the planet, and do it in the NOC, from the way your portray yourself here, you would probably believe me without doing any investigation on your part.

And you're an idiot for assuming that. If you showed me pictures of you doing it in front of what looked like a NOC, and told me other things that were confirmed as well, then I'd surely take it into consideration and warn people about it, if you were to reckless with your business and the like. Why? Because it affects people. Are you just a complete jerk, or what? You're acting irrational by claiming these things. What I said, was an immediately relevant issue for the clients of VDI.

Three, Tim, throwing random accusations

"Random accusations"? Get a grip, weirdo, find someone else to argue with. This is insane of you. How could you POSSIBLY have missed the issues and facts? It's dim witted statements and claims like that, without proof or justification that confused this issue, enough for dim wit's to come in and start claiming this crap! What was "random" about seeing these images? What was "random" about having troubles with UltraSpeed and information about their near failing future? What was "random" about the deceit involved? What was "random" about Burst.net's Truehosting and UltraSpeed issues and what I said? They never denied they don't practice the policies I outlined.

Maybe you could actually do a little research and find out how many unhappy people there were with Burst's dealing's and policies with the truehosting buyout to have a clue of what I'm even talking about! The only thing "random" here, is your outrageous and foolish claims about me, because you don't like that I'm not Mr. friendly to the hosts that are lying to me and their clients. You dork, that's why we're HERE!

at web hosts that you conjure up on your spare time should be kept to yourself.

Okay, jack-ass, this is what I'm saying. "Conjure up"? What? Name one thing! Even if I was wrong about where the picture was taken, which I never said I was right about -- I said it seemed like the NOC! -- it was admitted there were pictures. That could have cleared it up for most people! Furthermore, it would have been fine to add that "No, it didn't go as far as selling drugs, the person that told you that had access to images that appeared to be at out "NOC", but that's not the fact -- they obviously distorted the facts, since they had the opportunity to make us look bad. From your point of view, I can see this as being a reasonable deduction of the events, but we assure you it's not a fact -- here's why." Conjure up? Get a clue!

It's pretty serious when you accuse a company of having controlled substances in their facilities

I never 'accused' them of doing that. I CLEARLY stated that's the information I was given, along with the other that appeared to be a fact without any doubt at the time. This is a serious concern for the users, is all I said.

or employees of damaging equipment in a company's facilities.

Apparently, you're also stupid enough to not quite understand humor or sarcasm. No wonder you're 'confused' enough to be typing this nonsense crap you have.

I apologize if I offended anyone with this post

The hell you do. You outright attacked me, because you feel threatened by the fact that someone covered some issues that you didn't bother to read or didn't care to, or simply weren't able to comprehend. Clearly, I made nothing up. Clearly, I never just randomly selected some companies to ruin their reputations. Clearly, you are a dim wit to have ever assumed or got any other impression of my intent or reasons or to have dismissed relevant facts that are important to said clients.

but there were statements that needed to be conveyed to the aforementioned parties, this silly 'war' needs to come to an end.

Yeah, right, and you made a REAL GOOD effort to end it, especially by the act of this atrociously inaccurate and hostile post of yours, riddled with insults and blatant attempts to side step the issues at hand with your own personal attacks. Good job, you should be proud! You knew that would onlt add fuel to the fire. You sir, are a hyprocitical oaf!

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Tim Greer

02-03-2001, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by Nashoba
Yes please don't delete this. This thread contains valuable demonstrations of how these hosts handle themselves. I apprecitate Tim's efforts and the information that he has posted. I have no idea if they are just rumours but I think that the way that VDI has responded says a lot. If what Tim has posted is not true and he knows that it is not true then that would certainly be libelous. Wouldn't it make more sense for VDI to be in contact with their lawyer instead of making themselves look even worse by responding in such an incoherent and childish manner?

That was the most accurate and intelligent post of out them all, thank you! If they want to claim I knew that these things weren't true, please sue me and this can end. Or, stop posting and this can end, or simply explain how it's not true and don't blame someone for posting information that surely looked to be true by the evidence presented to them. This is all way out of hand now and it's only angering everyone involved.

I simply posted what I had good reason to believe was true and to what extent it went to. Of course I'm not going to look like a good guy, but I wouldn't have felt content knowing this and not warning anyone of what I know and also what I heard. I knew I'd be attacked for it, but to be blunt, if I'm not right, explain it... maybe we can all figure out why the people that told me, showed me the URL's to said images, etc. would have done this...? In the meantime, let my previous postings stand as a testament to any mindless would-be character attacks for my effort to help people be informed -- so I can get back to work in peace. Now, perhaps I can rest assured that my posts have cleared up some misconceptions and attempts to contort the real issues and facts and there will be no need to a repost. It's difficult to refrain otherwise and I find I've simply been repeating myself.
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acetate

02-03-2001, 09:20 PM

Can't we all get along?

klisis

02-03-2001, 09:29 PM

Chickenie, We need YOU!

Nashoba

02-03-2001, 09:35 PM

Why? so he can lock the thread, or move it or delete it? What are you scared of? These are just pixels on your screen, if they bother you so much don't read it.

Chicken

02-04-2001, 12:02 PM

We've been asked to resore this thread (as is) to the forums by members. If you posted something that isn't appropriate, then you may delete your post.

My personal opinion is that this thread, and about 10 others, should be tossed.

Enjoy...

SickofAds

02-04-2001, 12:57 PM

Gah. When all that Alabanza stuff was going on, there was never this much moving and closing of threads. Makes one seasick. Plus, I was in the middle of responding to kunal in the other "thrown thread" and had it moved right out from under me. Amazing, this place. Really.

KDAWebServices

02-04-2001, 01:03 PM

The difference being that when all the Alabanza 'stuff' was going on it didn't result in lots of name calling etc.

SickofAds

02-04-2001, 01:09 PM

Yes it did. It's just that no Alabanza people were here to defend themselves from what people were saying about them. Curious, this place, really. What is really amazing is that some people don't realize that no one is trying to say "run the forum this way". People are trying to point out that the value of this place as a resource is sliding down to the level of the other well known forums because the mods are way too visible (as Deb rightly pointed out, and I agree, having moderated quite a few boards in my time) and because opinions seem to shift on the wind.

kunal

02-04-2001, 01:54 PM

hmmmm.. Sickofads.. you dun like it, you can leave.

KDAWebServices

02-04-2001, 01:57 PM

Opinions will always shift in the wind - that's why they are opinions.

Opinions are built up over time from experiences and perceptions of people and services, they are bound to change as time goes on. If they did not change then none of the hosts in here would be here as they would always have been as to small etc. if people didn't change opinions.

Just another £3.72.

-Edward-

02-04-2001, 02:32 PM

Karl - check ur signature you miss spelt quality :)

Chicken

02-04-2001, 02:46 PM

Sorry about all the locking of the threads. part of the problem may have been that people were hitting POST instead of reply and accidentally starting new threads. Some of them just became pointless, others were just repetitive and I was attempting to channel the discussion to one thread, or at least one area. The result is this thread which I threw, but later it was decided that everyone can have this one, make fools out of themselves, etc. Discussing something is one thing, but that isn't what I saw.

I understand that not everyone is going to like everything about how the board goes, or how the moderators do their jobs, but those people should move along and that's all I'm going to say about it.

Everyone is always welcome to email the moderators (moderators@webhostlink.com) if they have any issues. I assure you it will be read.

Jonah

02-04-2001, 03:42 PM

You're right Chicken.

We do need operators cause many new users (as myself) don't know the difference between "post" and "reply" when they first come here (call me stupid) and it would be a mess if we didn't have moderators.

However, Im not taking any sides here, I agree with the moderators on some points and I see what they mean, however I do believe that it's important to get this discussion done with before we move on, and it's for the best of this board to 'accept' all critsism now. Get everything out in the open and let everyone give their opinions. And then move on otherwise we'll commin back to this over and over again.

Yes, we need operators but also room for ppl saying how they feel and most off all - we're all grown-ups = people must take responsebility for their posts = new users see which companies/ppl behave and represent their business in a good manner.

Just my $0.02

Chicken

02-04-2001, 04:17 PM

I like to hear well thought out, constructive comments and suggestions. We all do. But the posts were moved due this not happening as well.

There is not one board, that I know of, where a member is welcome to post how crappy the board is, or bitch about the moderators (and even if you thought so, wouldn't you just leave and never come back?). I think a whole bunch of boards are crappy, but I don't post that, I just move on.

I don't understand why people do this.

We get requests now and then (on various boards that I mod. at) from users that they want us to delete their user name. Why? I don't care if it is in the system. Just don't post anymore and remove the bookmark from your favorites.

Even if the moderators did everything 'right' all the time, it would only be according to what each member thought was 'right' and there would be those who didn't agree. That's fine, but that's the way it is.

I'm not going to bicker with people about everything, nor will I allow messages to be posted about how much a particular member hates the board. That's fine, I've read it, now time to move on.

Whenever a big blowup like this occurs there are always about 3 people who don't like how it is handled. They say the board has gone to hell and whose fault is it? Of course, the moderators. We are the easy target.

I refuse to believe this and anyone who thinks the board has indeed gone to hell is welcome to leave. In general, the forum has grown at an exponential rate, new forums have been created due to demand, questions are answered quicker than ever, and there is very little shameless-self promotion in the main forums.

I'm just not sure what else one could ask for.

Like I said though, constructive comments are most certainly welcome! There are always ways to be better. :)

Jonah

02-04-2001, 04:24 PM

Chicken, I think we mean the same. Done deal, this is my last comment on this issue.

Nashoba

02-04-2001, 05:10 PM

Here is my hopefully constructive, well thought out post.

And this is probably the wrong place to post this, but I just can't tell anyomre so it is going here.

I came to WebhostingTalk at the beginning of last year because I was having a horrible time with my host and I didn't know what to do. Somehow I ended up here and because of the people here I was able to get out of the situation that I was in and find a better host. At that time the forum was great. I liked it so much that I continued to read WebhostingTalk on a regular basis. The focus at that time was on the consumer, helping the consumer find a host, get out of a bad situation and not make the same mistakes that others made. People were friendly and helpful. I didn't really notice one particular host or a particular group of hosts being recommended.

Over time this changed and a group of Alabanza based hosts were recommended above all others. People and other hosts complained. The regulars and mods used the argument that there were more Alabanza based host that were regulars on the forum therefore more Alabanza based hosts get recommended. Then Alabanza makes a series of mistakes, Alabanza hosts come here to air their dirty laundry and decide to move to VDI. Now Webhostingtalk recommends VDI hosts and the regulars use the argument that most of the Alabanza based hosts that are regulars are now with VDI therefore VDI hosts get recommended.

Am I the only one that sees a problem with the above two scenarios? WebhostingTalk is now heavily involved with the politics of the hosting companies that are regulars here. Recommendations are based on these politics. Grudges are held against a NOC for making a business decision. The focus of WebhostingTalk is no longer on the consumer, it's now on the hosting companies that are regulars here.

Broaden your horizons, open your minds, get over the grudges and get back to helping people.

Chicken

02-04-2001, 05:36 PM

I think what happens (and this is true outside the board), is that people often recommend *people*. If a host runs solid servers at a stable NOC and provide decent support, then there isn't much else to go on sometimes.

I felt this with all the Alabanza hosts. There were quite a few and all ran the same or similar server at the same place, and had identical features. Many seemed very helpful on the boards. So who do you recommend?

It doesn't do the person looking any good to list more than 5 really. Too many choices a just don't help. I was looking at big screen tv's and we went to a warehouse where they must have had 100 models. I thought it would be better to have more selection, but really once we were there I was just as confused as when we went to BestBuy and were given a choice of 10. So we aren't any farther in the process (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=5499).

Anyway, that was a tangent.

Members, if you see a post asking for a host and you are using (or have used) a host that seems to match the criteria, post your URL, the host's URL, and a short blurb about why you like them, etc. That's about all I can suggest.

SickofAds

02-04-2001, 05:47 PM

kunal, thanks for yet another constructive comment (and why don't you at least learn to spell "don't" for once?). Such an intelligent, meaningful comment from a mod should not go unnoticed. Out of one side of your mouth, you say the mods are interested in listening, and then (just like the regular users), you tell people to leave if they don't like it. Know what? I'm not leaving. The mods can ban me if they want, but I am not leaving on my own. You I would have fired awhile back, if you were the mod of a forum I ran. Why? Because of the above.

Karl: yes, they are opinions and they do shift. However, if you look at the context in which I am posting, you will see that I am referring to the general attitude of this forum, which shifts opinions as the forum moves from place to place or when the regulars who hang out here move around. Or are you going to say that all Alabanza hosts should be ignored or avoided because of things that have nothing to do with the users?

And Chicken, the reason people complain about the boards is to try and improve them. Unfortunately, this forum, like all the rest, ignores things like that because it suits them to do it. And the reason the mods get the majority of the blame is because it's their responsibility to maintain a forum, and the owner's responsiblity to make sure the mods are doing their jobs. But I see from your comments that none of this interests you, because anyone who disagrees is just welcome to leave. You and kunal make a fine pair.

I'm in agreement with Nashoba. This used to be a forum for users. It's become full of the little games and intrigue that surround the hosts instead of giving good information to the people searching for hosts. Matt should come up with a better set of rules for both users and mods. Until then, this situation will not improve, and WHT looks like idiots because they can't make up their mind where to host the forum or which batch of hosts to rec - which they shouldn't be doing anyway. It's the users who make this place possible. Go ahead. Drive enough of the users away and it will wind up just like those other poorly traveled forums out there, and no one will get any valuable information about anything.

hostShopping2

02-04-2001, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by Chicken
Sorry about all the locking of the threads. part of the problem may have been that people were hitting POST instead of reply and accidentally starting new threads. Some of them just became pointless, others were just repetitive and I was attempting to channel the discussion to one thread, or at least one area. The result is this thread which I threw, but later it was decided that everyone can have this one, make fools out of themselves, etc. Discussing something is one thing, but that isn't what I saw.

This is meant as constructive, so please don't be offended.

1. Thanks for reopening the thread.
2. You still think this thread should be gone. Even if I agreed with you, you could have closed the thread instead of removing it from view.
3. What I wanted to know when you removed this thread was how William would respond to my comment. Was he going to go against me and escalate or apologize. He apologized and I'm very happy about that. I basically ignored the flamers. You've directed all the traffic to this post, and if people don't like flames, they know which post to ignore. That I can respect. But when you intimidate your users to not discuss the VDI/Burst issue, you're going too far.
4. I agree with Nashua.
5. You could have warned the flamers with what specifically disturbed you, and that you would consider taking corrective action against them like temporarily stopping their posting privileges, if they didn't stop. That would have been a much better way to handle it imo.

Nashoba

02-05-2001, 01:22 AM

Originally posted by Chicken
I think what happens (and this is true outside the board), is that people often recommend *people*. If a host runs solid servers at a stable NOC and provide decent support, then there isn't much else to go on sometimes.

I felt this with all the Alabanza hosts. There were quite a few and all ran the same or similar server at the same place, and had identical features. Many seemed very helpful on the boards. So who do you recommend?

You recommend who you've personally hosted with, if you were satisfied with them and want to recommend them. What's so hard about that?

William

02-05-2001, 01:46 AM

hostShopping2 - I was not "offended to what you said, you are 100 correct. I was wrong about how it was handled.

When Mr T Made that post I was like *(&!! MAD.

I sat there and said:

A: If i don`t respond, it`ll blow over, tim is always whining about something anyways, they`ll ignore him.

B: Post a little reply just to say, "hey thats not nice to bad things VDI. and I was "somewhat joking as well"

c: Do a corporate thing and just send a legal notice, and let it be.

The whole issue, is not true "whether anyone cares". The only pic I ever heard was a Joke pic from a show or something.

anyways..

After looking at the whole situation, and never posting to Mr T before....... welp! Didn`t relize he had a Blackbook of critism to post with!!! I lost mine somewhere in the office.

So I should have taken A. :)

Once again, it was far from professional, but i just blew out a few cells, and between all the CLients calling about this Burst/USUSA deal. Well you can say i was overly dead tired.

Hey we are all Human and Need to make mistakes.....

Jag

02-05-2001, 02:41 AM

Why should the burst/UsUSA deal even had lead to calls to you Bill? Im sure you asked that same question. What did VDI have to do with anything, they only provide the service to both these companies VDI doesnt run them. The two seperate companies are the ones that made the deal. Well I hope you finally got that long deserved sleep. I can imagine hitting the bowl all day makes you tired :) .... just kidding .. dont backlash at me

[Edited by Jag on 02-05-2001 at 01:48 AM]

baileysemt123

02-05-2001, 02:56 AM

I am also an UltraspeedUSA/Burst client. The former by choice, the latter by default. I have read this forum and multiple threads with GREAT interest tonight.

I have no interest in accusations and the following justifications for what is said. I skim over that, for I have a former boss who is the same way, has nothing good to say unless it directly benefits HER in some way. Fine. I move on to other things.

But I WOULD like this thread to get back to the issues!

(1) I believe a series of qustions were posted about BurstNET's facilities, etc. I would like to see them answered. When I go thru BurstNET's site I am really UNimpressed by the sky-high prices and nickel-and-diming for things that are included in my Ultraspeed account. If BurstNET is refusing responsibilities to liabilities and debts then how can I be assured that prices will "remain the same" to quote Jordan?

I WOULD like to know: is BurstNET in the same reseller value-added position as USUSA was? are they on VDI servers? Will my hosting plans now shrink to fit BurstNET's profit margin? What about new accounts I resell: are they under USUSA terms, or BurstNETs?

(2) If Dan and Paul are launching something, I would like to know too. I and was wowed by my tech support experiences working with Paul. The guy was really impressive, attentive, and did a super job of taking care of me. Far better than ANY host I have dealt with since 9/97, and far better than any tech support person I've been in touch with before or since. Now that's saying something!

That said, I am in a position that if they are doing a hosting company of their own, I'd love to know about it. For me it's about service and support. In my experience they provide both. In my experience Jordan has sold me to someone else so my loyalty ends right there.

There was mention of something happening in the "morning" of what should have been the 3rd. It's now the 5th of February. Did I miss it???? Whassup?!

Well that's all for now. Thanks for the feedback.
*curtsey*

Bailey.

scottlaw

02-05-2001, 04:01 AM

OK... I might be coming in late here but I have to say a few things...

Tim, you are one sad individual for posting these comments about a company when you have no proof to back it up... You have based these comments on statements from others with no first hand knowledge. Do you know for a fact that drugs are being sold? Do you know for a fact that drugs are being used at the NOC? Do you know for a fact that anyone is even using drugs? NO! You have not only harmed the reputation of a business but also the business of some of the hosts here who host at VDI. I truly hope VDI takes action against you and will help and support them in any way in this action.

Yes, Bill might of gone overboard but think of it this way... Bill has worked his a@@ off to build VDI into what it is. He seems to always be working as since I see him on ICQ all the time. If you ever have a problem you can call Bill directly. Tell me what other companies you can do that with? If you worked your a@@ off like this to build and maintain a company how would you act when comments like these are made from an individual who only comes here to air dirty laundry and disparage a company.

Scott

Tim Greer

02-05-2001, 04:11 AM

Posted by VDI's wonderful P&R we've all come accustomed to (I.e., he's justified and has a right to post crap about anyone, but they are "whining" out "out of line" if they have a valid reason to post about or to him -- too FRIGGIN' bad, Bill):

"Ok....
hostShopping2 - I was not "offended to what you said, you are 100 correct. I was wrong about how it was handled."

So, you go and continue to do the same damn thing, Bill.

"When Mr T Made that post I was like *(&!! MAD."

You were nervous...

"I sat there and said:"

(Did he NARC?)

"A: If i don`t respond, it`ll blow over, tim is always whining about something anyways, they`ll ignore him."

Whatever, Bill. As usual, more BS from you. Look at my posting history. I never brought up anything that was out of line and it was hardly whining. Why is it considered 'whining', because YOU were in the spotlight and not being praised this time? Apparently everyone that's complaining about valid issues with every other web host, is a fine conversation, but it's not when it's about your shoddy service? Get a clue! Of course you're not going to like hearing it! So, you go off and continue being a jack-ass. I'm quite sick of it all and you. You think you are more important than anyone else here, to act like a jerk and piss people off, rather than facing the issues like a professional, don't expect people to respond professionally or politely to that sort of crap you pull!

"B: Post a little reply just to say, "hey thats not nice to bad things VDI. and I was "somewhat joking as well"

Don't give people reasons to "post bad things about VDI", or deal with it when they do and explain it or cover the issues brought up, instead of acting like, well, you.

"c: Do a corporate thing and just send a legal notice, and let it be."

That's obviously beyond you. Look at this post of yours for example.

"The whole issue, is not true "whether anyone cares". The only pic I ever heard was a Joke pic from a show or something."

Not from what I saw, more than one picture. Nonetheless, you always only had to say that originally. "It was a joke, not at our NOC". Your reaction and current post, and what I saw, (as well as the other people, of which I asked Kunal to contact and have them confirm this as well, BTW!), makes me KNOW it was no joke. I guess I can see why you're being such a jerk about this.

"anyways.."

...Until your next post...

"After looking at the whole situation, and never posting to Mr T before....... welp! Didn`t relize he had a Blackbook of critism to post with!!! I lost mine somewhere in the office."

Sure, it has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that I posted information that made you nervous and you still think you're the most important person here, so you take on this dip s*$t attitude, again... again... again... Just because you don't like me for informing people of information I had, doesn't make your Truehosting-ish attitude and claims and opinions true or relevant.

"So I should have taken A."

No, you should have realized that you can't just get away with anything you want and try and play it off with some pre-high school sarcasm and claims.

"Once again, it was far from professional, but i just blew out a few cells, and between all the CLients calling about this Burst/USUSA deal. Well you can say i was overly dead tired."

Sure, Bill, and what's your excuse THIS TIME?

"Hey we are all Human and Need to make mistakes....."

You seem to simply excel at it. You're not only unoriginal, but your arrogance is a real bore. Tell you what; here's a thought (it takes some *REAL HARD THINKING*!), if you don't want someone to respond in a manner you don't like, don't post and purposely insult them! I posted information that definitely was justified by what I saw and knew (having nothing to do with what I "heard"), but it was all relevant, not just a load of this nonsense you CONTINUE to feed into the situation in a poor effort to contort the facts and make other people come out as a bad guy or waste of time, because you don't like people knowing about the negative aspects of YOUR shoddy service!

Keep using all the excuses you want, but you'd best serve your cause by keeping your mouth shut, or actually practice something known as civility, understanding, and professionalism -- as well as comprehension for the situation -- and you'd certainly get a more appropriate reaction from the people that did bring up the relevant facts. Yes, Bill -- even if YOU don't like them. Really now, who do you think you are? That's just horrid P&R!

PS: Bill, I beg of you; Learn to punctuate properly, it makes it near impossible to keep up if you don't!
--
Regards,
Tim Greer: chatmaster@c-zone.net | Tel: (530) 247-1749
Programming: CGI, Perl, C/C++, ASP, SQL, PHP and more.
Server & network administration, security, consulting,
Installation & configuration. Unix/Linux/FreeBSD & NT.

Jag

02-05-2001, 04:18 AM

ouch!

Tim Greer

02-05-2001, 04:37 AM

Originally posted by scottlaw
OK... I might be coming in late here but I have to say a few things...

Not only that, but you obviously didn't READ anything that was said!

Tim, you are one sad individual for posting these comments about a company when you have no proof to back it up...

Listen, VDI goon, I DO and many other's have seen it as well. I've asked Kunal to contact at least one of them. The only "sad individual" is some moron that just completely dismisses and accuses another person of this, because they personally weren't shown this or viewed it themselves. Do you say this about everyone that doesn't personally present them to YOU? How pathetic! That was just another mindless attack, by another mindless twit!

You have based these comments on statements from others with no first hand knowledge.

Take some reading for comprehension courses! What didn't you quite GET about "I saw them myself, with my own eyes!"? What was so confusing about that? Still, you sit here and make a fool out of yourself by adamantly claiming that I heard it from someone and just believed it? How do YOU know that? What didn't you get about me SEEING them? Again, pathetic!

Do you know for a fact that drugs are being sold?

Do you know that it's a FACT that I NEVER said there WERE being sold? Do you know for a fact, that you look like a complete fool bringing up something that's already been clearly stated?

Do you know for a fact that drugs are being used at the NOC?

Do you? Refer to above.

Do you know for a fact that anyone is even using drugs?

Do you? Refer to above.

NO!

So, now you step in acting like you know everything. Nifty... How about this: You see pictures taken of the people that "work" at the NOC. You see pictures of the same people, doing drugs in pictures and it's in front of systems, that look like the NOC. Hmmm. I guess I'm a real dick for mentioning that and actually daring to assume it might be true. No wonder geniuses like you decide to conclude that I must have just "heard" these facts and believed them without a thought in the world. You must be a detective on your off time, huh?

You have not only harmed the reputation of a business but also the business of some of the hosts here who host at VDI.

Incorrect. I stated nothing that wasn't true. I never claimed drugs were being sold. I believed it was possible, given the images that portrayed the employee's in this compromising situation at what appeared to be said NOC. I never said I was "RIGHT" about it being at the NOC, after what Bill said, I said that it sure did look like it! What don't you get about any of this? People aren't impressed with Bill's actions and reactions, nor people like you. It's a turn off and people get nervous about how they handle the situation. Bill called and makes what can only be perceived as threats to my HOUSE at 2:30 AM and acts like a generally weird and hostile jerk.

He posts completely unprofessionally -- not that I have been either, but I don't act like I'm in control and all important and can say and do whatever I want either. This is the result you speak of, but not because people believed what I said I saw, no what I said I heard. This could have been cleared up long ago, but you and Bill and a few other's want to press buttons and act like jerks, so be it. Now we all look bad. This is a GOOD thing, because people should know this about us. If they think you, Bill or myself aren't handling this well, they are better off going with someone else's services. These are the reasons, and YOU aren't helping, nor is Bill with his petty remarks! Am I pissed off? Yes, of course.

You and Bill both knew it would have that result and posted with that intention. This is why you don't look good, this is why your ridiculous comments are failing to make sense and why you look foolish. Well, that and completely going out of your way to try and twist the facts, because you didn't READ what was SAID, or didn't care and decided to blatantly lie! So, did you guy's get what you want? Reap what you sew.

I truly hope VDI takes action against you and will help and support them in any way in this action.

They have nothing to take action against me with or for! Unless you're going to blame me for both your and Bill's poor reactions that you both continue to commit.

Yes, Bill might of gone overboard but think of it this way...

Yeah, yeah. I know, I know. You are Bill's friend. This helps, thanks.

Bill has worked his a@@ off to build VDI into what it is.

Maybe he could have worked on his interpersonal skills a little? This is irrelevant. Most people that come here work hard and put all the effort they can into their work, including honesty. This does not invalidate someone's claims, because someone has a business that work at. He doesn't seem to convey much concern or professionalism and seems more content on insulting and offending people, as do you. This nonsense excuse is wasting more time.

He seems to always be working as since I see him on ICQ all the time.

So? I'd bet I do more work than he does in the day.. does that mean I should have less jerks like you attacking me? Let me know, and I'll work and never sleep.

If you ever have a problem you can call Bill directly.

Unless he calls you at 2:30 AM, right? What's your point? If he's so great of a guy and together, why couldn't he handle such a simple matter? Why couldn't YOU, for that matter? Is your opinion supposed to hold any value, after what you've said in this post of yours, knowing damn well that you're lying!?

Tell me what other companies you can do that with?

Do you have a pen? I can name enough AND tell you they'd never do what Bill (and you) continue to do!

If you worked your a@@ off like this to build and maintain a company how would you act when comments like these are made from an individual who only comes here to air dirty laundry and disparage a company.

Scott, you're pretty dense. You're defeated the entire point of your post. The only advantage to you or Bill or any of your goons pulling this crap, is to get a reaction out of me, to try and make me look worse, or make me look guilty if I don't respond to your comments. What I said about VDI could have been explained and defended and cleared up. I didn't come in with the intention to argue or be a jerk, like yourself and Bill and a few other's have. What exactly am I supposed to do to clear this up? Nothing, I can't do anything but repeat myself to make it clear that these lies you say, don't confuse people to believe your claims are true. So, why don't you practice what you preach for once and just stop this nonsense.

Bill and anyone else can simply stop posting crap about me that I can't defend, or they can defend what I said about them -- which I only said about the pictures (which he admitted but said was something else, 3 different ways, 3 different times, by the way) and simply explain how this other stuff, as justifiable as it was to believe at the time, wasn't therefore true. Why do you and Bill continue side stepping the issues, rather than simply ignoring or facing the facts and making everyone happy, not to make me happy! In closing, DO YOU HAVE A POINT, Scott?
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Regards,
Tim Greer: chatmaster@c-zone.net | Tel: (530) 247-1749
Programming: CGI, Perl, C/C++, ASP, SQL, PHP and more.
Server & network administration, security, consulting,
Installation & configuration. Unix/Linux/FreeBSD & NT.

scottlaw

02-05-2001, 05:20 AM

Tim,

You are being totally irrational about this and your comment show it. I think you need to take a deep breath and rethink this whole "campaign" of yours. I never dismissed your claims like you said. If I would of dismissed I would of posted this the first day you started this. I waited to see the pics and other facts that you talked about but you still have not showed them yet.

Lets clear this up once an for all right now.
1) Can you provide us all with the pics or the URL to the pics?
2) Who send you the links to these pics?
3) What makes you "assume" that drugs are being sold? Any reasonable person would not assume that just because someone does drugs they are automatically a dealer and deals them from work.

If you are wanting to be completely honest here just answer those questions for us... If not, then all my statements about you stand and I hope people see how pathetic this is of you to ruin a companies reputation... I don't know what your motive is but I bet a former employee of a former web hosting company either put you up to this or filled you full of this. Is this the case? If so why don't you name him for us so we can all see what is going on here.

Anyone on this board knows I am not a "VDI goon" Hell, I am usually the first to bitch about a company that provides bad service including VDI if they ever provided me with poor service. It is fine if you have a legitimate beef with a company because of their performance but when you post comments such as you have posted to this public message board without any proof other then saying you saw the pics and assumed it happened at the NOC it is just wrong and you should apologize for it.

I am not going to sink to your level of name calling or other childish behavior... I have said what I believe, I don't have anything against you and do not even know you. All I want is what everyone else wants to see. Either provide us with what you stated or let this be. It is that simple.

You local VDI goon :)
Scott

<EDIT>
So everyone knows... I have no affiliation with VDI other then having one server at their NOC.
</EDIT>

[Edited by scottlaw on 02-05-2001 at 04:47 AM]

William

02-05-2001, 05:29 AM

Not Nervous :) Just Stumped on the Goal of this

Tim you worried you need to push this now? Cause, if Im correct at this point if you don't produce anything you become libel.

#1 I called your house to say, "Why would you post that?" Figured I deserved some kind of reason" Cause you do work as an admin for my clients time to time. "Now I;ll strongly recommend that you don't even come near any machines here, cause you many try to hurt my clients or try to damage their reputation" You were screaming about a Client not paying you money, this is not the place for that.

Most Human beings "who think they have a issue would call and say hey man I heard some stuff about VDI?" Its the professional thing to do, you are supposed to be a administrator, so if your boss did something not par, you would report him to the police? I would worry about people who pay you, cause youll report them if they dont pay taxes.

Why in the god name world would you post it? And you dont even know, and there was no reason to post about it,No one even asked you. No one was even thinking about it.

#2 I said a pic "taken 1 year ago or so" at some "show / event" or what ever" I don't even remember anymore" of a admin with a Pipe / Bowl " what ever. For Kicks! Nothing at all releated to VDI at all.

Then you said we were Dealing out of here????

**********************
NEW SERVER SPECIAL
P3 800 mhz
Dual SCSOI 18 GIG
100 gigs transfer
4- bags
2-8 balls.
$1259.00 Setup
$450.00 a month
**********************
Would that be something you like to see?

No matter what I say, you have to say I;m Guilty at this point, cause you are now legally involved.

William Jensen

[Edited by William on 02-05-2001 at 04:48 AM]

MySiteHost

02-05-2001, 06:27 AM

Bill you are starting to type like me, (unintellegible writings) careful :-)

Now the bixel.

Scottlaw, you have mislead yourself I believe by only reading what you wanted to read. As in the term, hearing what you want to hear.

Tim stated up front that he was sent links to some pictures that had VDI techs in a comprimising situation. He also stated many times, in many posts of when he was initially referring to the drug's issue, was that was what he heard and saw these things and they may or may not be true, but it was what he saw and heard.

Courtwise accusations on either side will not hold any water no matter what, due to the fact that neither of you have evidence against each other. You may try to show the posts, but as I said, he stated that they may be fake and he may have been mislead into thinking it was something when it may not have been, in more or less terms.

Bill, you are turning into the raving loony that I used to be over at freewebspace.net when I started getting some 'bad press' so to speak about my old FWP service. I made the bad decision of not staying cool when things were starting to heat up. Letting things blow over isn't the best thing, I understand that. But just like what I did, you made the choice to boil over and over react to something that could very well be preposterous.

I was ostrasized from that message board because of my actions. I am just giving you a fair warning to go grab a glass of water before you fall deeper into the path that I took. Become neutral with your emotions once again and take what is said with a grain of salt.

Guys, I feel as a comprimise, if it can be done. We find out who/where these pictures came from. I highly doubt the images are still there and asking for them is not a fair thing to do because obviously they would be gone by now, or were removed once the idea came up.

Since the pictures original urls were probably given to Tim while this person was a friend during playful talk time. I am pretty sure Tim didn't think to download them at the time. I will not confirm or deny that I believe they exist or not. I will just say that neither parties have any grounds of doing anything other than having a crap throwing party. (You cheeky monkies)

With much of what Tim has been saying, regardles of the drugs issues, I tend to agree with it. I will not take a side here.

I do recomend that each post now be aproached with a neutral attitude, as that will have the greatest results in getting the points accross. This does not meant leave out the accusations, or anything like that. If it must be said, say it. But just don't let yourself get emotionaly stressed over it, the mistyping, the rash words, and apparent misunderstandings of the posts you read durring a hot temper only fuel the fire.

If this cannot be comtroled, then I think we all have our own answers about the truth/falsehood behind any and all accusations that have arison here. I would be perfectly happy with that as we will all in the end believe what we want to believe anyways.

[Edited by mysitehost on 02-05-2001 at 04:28 PM]

DanielP

02-05-2001, 06:30 AM

Does ANYBODY around here sleep??? :) :) :)

eddie

02-05-2001, 06:56 AM

Hey everyone lets stick to the subject, some of us are looking for answers here...

***** Ultraspeed/Burst ******

Looks like we need a different thread for the Ultraspeed/Burst deal.

Let me repeat what baileysemt123 ask:

"1) I believe a series of qustions were posted about BurstNET's facilities, etc. I would like to see them answered. When I go thru BurstNET's site I am really UNimpressed by the sky-high prices and nickel-and-diming for things that are included in my Ultraspeed account. If BurstNET is refusing responsibilities to liabilities and debts then how can I be assured that prices will "remain the same" to quote Jordan?

I WOULD like to know: is BurstNET in the same reseller value-added position as USUSA was? are they on VDI servers? Will my hosting plans now shrink to fit BurstNET's profit margin? What about new accounts I resell: are they under USUSA terms, or BurstNETs?

(2) If Dan and Paul are launching something, I would like to know too. I and was wowed by my tech support experiences working with Paul. The guy was really impressive, attentive, and did a super job of taking care of me. Far better than ANY host I have dealt with since 9/97, and far better than any tech support person I've been in touch with before or since. Now that's saying something!

That said, I am in a position that if they are doing a hosting company of their own, I'd love to know about it. For me it's about service and support. In my experience they provide both. In my experience Jordan has sold me to someone else so my loyalty ends right there.

There was mention of something happening in the "morning" of what should have been the 3rd. It's now the 5th of February. Did I miss it???? Whassup?! "

Thanks

Bogdan

02-05-2001, 08:18 AM

Originally posted by DanielP
Does ANYBODY around here sleep??? :) :) :)

Only when there is time to. ;)

Jonah

02-05-2001, 09:10 AM

Listen Tim,

You might be telling the truth, 'cause I don't believe you would have claimed to have seen those pics if you didn't see them. However, please understand that it's difficult for ppl to believe anything with no prove. A simpel url would help this whole discussion. You may have your(good)reasons not to post them, but then you must understand that people cannot trust your 'rumors' 100%. Cause it is rumors when you can't back it up.

Im not saying I don't believe you, and Im not taking any sides, but to prove anything, not only on this board, evidence is crucial especially when someones reputation is on stake.

Kaith Sutai-Rustaz

02-05-2001, 11:20 AM

What I would like to know is how good is the support now?

I too can say nothing but good things about USUSA's support up to about 2 weeks ago when the spoo hit the starfury <G>. My experiences dealing with the UK company were less than steller. I've currently got -2- inquirys into Burst about billing and another issue, and after almost 12 hours not a peep back.

The ironic part is, when US started to shake apart right after Paul left, I briefly did look at Burst, and decided against it due to their previous reputation. Now that I'm stuck with them for the time being at least, I decided to give them the benifit of the doubt and toss a few questions at them. So far, silence. I realize that they are probably getting hammered with emails etc about this merger, but still....

The other -sad- irony is that the majority of hosts I was considering switching to have already eliminated themselves from the running by making first class gits of themselves through out these threads. Sorry guys, I realize tempers flare, and the blood boils hot, but you always have the choice to pause, catch breath -before- you hit that post/reply button. Theres also the fact of taking it to email. I agree with the moderators in that some of these sub threads shouldn't have gone as far as they did. We're supposed to be professionals.

Folks, I've got a business to run, and come here to get answers and learn from my peers. I made the choice of picking USUSA based on the comments on -this- site. I found -1- bad comment, and that was about the UK side of the biz. Nowhere did I find any issues with the US side. If I had known what a cluster things would turn into I would have gone with a different host, or waited.

So, can we start a thread for answering the burst/us support questions? Post only -after- you have either gotten a fix or gone 8 hrs without? No flames, straight facts? (IE: contacted 8pm 1-1-01 about email issue) or some such thing?

Peace.

webfors

02-05-2001, 11:53 AM

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Chicken

02-05-2001, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Kaith Sutai-Rustaz
So, can we start a thread for answering the burst/us support questions? Post only -after- you have either gotten a fix or gone 8 hrs without? No flames, straight facts? (IE: contacted 8pm 1-1-01 about email issue) or some such thing?

Peace.

Yes, feel free to do so. Be specific in your question/comment (ie: not about 60 different things) and I'll make sure that any unrelated garbage gets *poofed*. My intent (as I said) was not to stop discussion about the real issues, but rather to channel it to one place. This didn't work.

I think many people need to discuss it so please start threads as needed in the appropriate forum.

BurstNET

02-05-2001, 01:33 PM

>"1) I believe a series of qustions were posted about >BurstNET's facilities, etc. I would like to see them >answered. When I go thru BurstNET's site I am really >UNimpressed by the sky-high prices

$99.95 to start for a dedicated server?
Virtual Hosting plans with 50GB guaranteed bandwidth for $99.95 & 20GB guaranteed bandwidth for $29.95?
Starting at $5.95 for resold accounts?

We find that pretty reasonable for what we actually include in our packages.

>>and nickel-and-diming for things that are included in my >>Ultraspeed account.

We don't nickel and dime...we just state everything clearly on our pricing pages. $6/GB for bandwidth is pretty reasonable, and $5 per 10 IPs is reasonable, ...added hardware costs are reasonable...what exactly is unreasonable about our pricing?
We are not a discount hosting company like say DigitalSpace.
We charge realistic prices, and are very financially stable due to that.

>>If BurstNET is refusing responsibilities to liabilities >>and debts then how can I be assured that prices will >>"remain the same" to quote Jordan?

Liabilities and debts have nothing to do with our intended marketing tactics and pricing levels. I explained in an earlier thread why BurstNET™ is able to purchase assets of a company, and leave an empty shell...including other assets and debts. Example; When you go to a bankruptcy auction, and buy all the equipment, you do not go home with the bankrupt company's debt to their soda machine vendor.
BurstNET™ has every intention of honoring UltraSpeed USA's prcing and features levels to their CURRENT clients.
We are still deciding on what to offer to new clients, but at this time everything is remaining the same. We will definately be adding additional plans and packages atleast though.

>> I WOULD like to know: is BurstNET in the same reseller value-added position as USUSA was?

Yes and No.
BurstNET™ is a much larger company, than most other VDI based hosts. BurstNET™ has been in business 3 times as long as VDI itself. BurstNET™ has been in the hosting business just as long as VDI...since the mid 1990's. Basically, BurstNET™ was one of VDI's original customers, and has been the largest VDI customer all throught the years. BurstNET™ came to VDI years ago, along with Nick Koston (the cpanel guy), whom we were doing business with prior to Nick being hired by VDI. VDI has provided us with exceptional service throuhgout the years, and we do not for one second regret doing business with them. With the purchase of Ultraspeed USA, BurstNET™ has consumed our largest competitor (...for Cpanel/WebHostManager based hosts). Could we have gone off on our own and left VDI, yes. Why didn't we? Because it was not economically in our best interests at the time...it was cheaper to share a data center, than to build our own. BurstNET™ has grown to the point where it is more economical to own our own data center, and we began constructing one in January 2001. Slated opening is in March 2001. The BurstNET™ data center is located in the metro area of Scranton PA, USA.

>>are they on VDI servers?

No. BurstNET™ has it's own servers, routers, and equipment.
Yes, they are currently located in the VDI data center.
The BurstNET™ sales/support office is physically less than 2 hours away from VDI, so we are one of the few hosts that actually goes to VDI on a weekly basis.

>> Will my hosting plans now shrink to fit BurstNET's profit margin?

No. As mentioned above, your pricing will remain the same.

>What about new accounts I resell: are they under USUSA terms, or BurstNETs?

If you signed up under Ultraspeed USA, than you may resell Ultraspeed USA's accounts at the same price you are currently doing. The only change is that you may now as well sell BurstNET™ plans and services, which includes nationwide dial up access, larger hosting packages, as well as other offerings.

Sean R.
BurstNET™

[Edited by BurstNET on 02-05-2001 at 12:47 PM]

Kaith Sutai-Rustaz

02-05-2001, 03:38 PM

BurstNET,

3 questions.

1- When will the Burst packages be added to the US reseller Cpanel?

2- Whats the back-log on support/billing inquiries? I've been waiting a while for a reply to 2 msgs, 1 thru the helpdesk thingy and the other sent by email. I realize theres prpbably a backlog, but I'm hoping for some peace of mind, ya know?

3- Whats the timeline we can expect to see things rolled out in?

Peace.

kunal

02-05-2001, 03:42 PM

I think these tpye of questions should be emailed to Burst directly. This is not a burst support board.

Marty

02-05-2001, 04:38 PM

No offense intended, kunal, but I would think that since he is waiting on responses from Burst on support questions that he has emailed in, that it is unlikely that he would get a response to his questions by emailing them. We see these kind of questions directed about hosts all the time. Webexpose would be an example. I, personally, don't think his request here is in anyway out of line, especially compared to what else has went on in this thread.

Tim Greer

02-05-2001, 04:44 PM

Originally posted by Jonah
Listen Tim,

You might be telling the truth, 'cause I don't believe you would have claimed to have seen those pics if you didn't see them. However, please understand that it's difficult for ppl to believe anything with no prove. A simpel url would help this whole discussion. You may have your(good)reasons not to post them, but then you must understand that people cannot trust your 'rumors' 100%. Cause it is rumors when you can't back it up.

Im not saying I don't believe you, and Im not taking any sides, but to prove anything, not only on this board, evidence is crucial especially when someones reputation is on stake.

Thanks for the post. I'm late on this, since my ISP has been having problems for the last day and was able to just now post. I understand and completely agree with your logic, and mywebsite basically cleared it up further as per the situation. It's basically this: What I claimed, about the pictures, Bill said it was one picture. (Maybe he didn't see the other's himself that were posted on the web site?) He said it was a "joke" and admitted to the content of the image. Okay then, it was a "joke". He said that it was taken at a Linux convention, which would account for the computers and whatnot in the background. Okay, but I was simply saying that it looked like less of a Linux show and more like a NOC to me. I never said I wasn't wrong about that.

So, assuming this is the only thing I said was true as per what I saw, he didn't deny it either, but should have just said I was mislead by the content of the picture. My point is, be it I agree it was possibly not really at the NOC or not, is irrelevant, since he admits to the content of the picture -- his claim was simply that is was #1: A joke and #2: Not taken at the NOC anyway. Therefore, I don't see the argument and demand for proof. It would simply be my opinion against his as per where it was likely to be taken, and if it appeared as a joke or not. So, him telling me "I never saw a picture", isn't appropriate.

Him and his friends and business associates attacking me saying I should "show proof" isn't logical, since Bill said it existed, but explained it was a joke. So, there's the proof. That's all he had to do though, rather than himself and other's attacking people about it. Of course, I've done my share of counter attacks. Again, going back to mysitehost's posts, it's (the situation is) even more so cleared up. The thing is, he continues to attack (just like he did again in his latest post, again!) and this is what I'm more than happy for him to demonstrate. Anyway, being that the only thing I said was a fact, he admits, but said it was not at the NOC, is fine and proven. After he said that, I never claimed it was still at the NOC, it just sure seemed like it. You've got to admit, that's not only pretty believable, but pretty odd too.. a strange coincidence.

However, since there's no denying it, just a difference in opinion of where it was taken "for sure", I don't see any reason to go bring up someone's name to back me up, since Bill did so himself. I asked Kunal to email someone and ask if he'd be willing, but if he isn't, I can understand that he'd not want to be involved in this and have his business attacked by Bill and friends. Since Bill said there was a "joke" picture (which I still don't agree with, but okay...), there's no reason to have a hosting company get involved and be at the mercy of Bill's NOC and spite. We're all seen this attitude thus far and I'd not want to risk it personally! However, I'm not here in the interests of getting business for myself, this is why I've never suggested any alternative web hosts. I'm not speaking for anyone but myself, and I don't represent anyone but myself. With this mess, I can surely understand why someone wouldn't want to be involved, when it's not prudent anyway.

As I said previously, my bookmarks are about near a Meg in size. I'm looking for the URL still, but as most of us know, with all this mess, that site simply will *not* have any images stored on it. They had them up previously, and that was when very few people knew about and were told about said URL. So, I doubt it'll be much help when I do find it, although I'll continue to look. Finally, in regards to assuming that it could be a fact about any selling of drugs, here's why; When you see what appears beyond any doubt (at the time) to be people doing drugs in a picture at what was said to be their NOC, and what appeared to look like their NOC, by the employee's that work at said NOC, it's easy enough to assume, by looking at what these employee's look like, and seeing them do drugs, that it's certainly possible and likely -- if you've ever seen these guys (especially doing them at what looks like to be the business), it's certainly plausible. (Even though we'll take into account Bill's claim of it being somewhere else and a Joke, OKAY BILL!?)

Now, finally, this person was happy enough with being hosted on VDI's NOC, and still talked about moving, as we discussed this situation. Why would this person tell me these things and say "Go here and even see pictures of them getting high right there at the NOC!", and go on to tell me that they are concerned about the equipment and the business and service they get, because of this information he told me about them even selling drugs at the business. Why would they make this up, and have pictures that seemed to at least cooberate a good portion of this claim? Why, when they seemed happy enough on VDI? We talked about the concerns that (if it was true) the authorities could confiscate the equipment, as they often do to property in drug busts. It doesn't matter who's property it is, btw. Now, I never said they WERE selling drugs, but you can see I had good reason, by what I saw, to believe it's certainly possible to have gone that far, and by how concerned this person was about it, since they'd have no other reason to be!

No one put me up to anything and I'd never say such things because some spiteful person asked me to. This information and concern was not conveyed to me at any time, other when this person was happy enough with the service. You would have had to been there at the time, I assume. So, as per proof, and what I claimed I saw, Bill said himself. We'll even just assume it was just that one picture for the sake of argument and that I just thought I saw more. The main issue of the content and the situation and what it justifiably appeared to be, was admitted to. So, fine, he says it was a joke, those systems weren't at the NOC, it was at a Linux convention. Uh, okay. So be it. Seemed likely plausible to me, that anyone that'd appear to be literally doing drugs, in a picture at a NOC, that they also might be selling, as I was informed. I mean, no matter where it is/was, it's still a very reckless manner to represent yourself.

So, everything's been proven, or debated or explained. Perhaps not to my satisfaction, but this whole "vengeful" excuse or to act like I come here to specifically ruin company's reputations for no reason at all, is ludicrous. Enough people know me here and know that's an outlandish and stupid claim and excuse. I'm not a stupid person, I'm not gullible either. I know what *I* saw. There's no denying that I might have been wrong about where it was taken, I just disagree about that claim. I don't appreciate anyone telling me that I didn't have a good reason to assume those pictures were exactly as they portrayed and to have confirmed exactly what I was informed of (about where the vent took place, nothing more as per what seemed to be a fact).

This quickly became much more than an argument about who saw what, etc., since even Bill shouldn't have blamed me for assuming it was at the NOC, since the background of the Linux convention was very much so appearing like a NOC type set up to me. I mean, even Bill himself seems to think that it's Okay to partake in this activity and stated himself that "If every Unix administrator had to be tested for drugs and were fired if they didn't pass the test, thered be no more left!" Well, a nifty opinion, which is sad. I for one, am a law abiding citizen. There's something about being locked in a cage with some guy named "Bubba" that doesn't appeal to me... and it's not worth a sensation that ends up slowing down your mind and killing brain cells, to risk being arrested for it. I'm not into ruining my body, personally, not that I care what other's do, but if it was what it appeared to be, it affects people, inclucing clients and employers of mine and therefore myself as well. So, excuse me!

So, knowing this, and having it surely seem like fact to me, I thought this was certainly relevant to bring up and further point out why I don't believe that Burst was a good move. However, it's not as if UltraSpeedUSA wasn't on the same NOC anyway. To some people, this sort of information is direly relevant and important. It pissed me off, that Bill and anyone else would dare act like I just made this up and pulled in a random company out of the blue! This is a ridiculous claim, being that Bill admits the picture and the content of it, and he only argued that it wasn't at the NOC and it was a joke. How that explains the rest of the party-ing pictures? Your guess is as good as mine. However, the point being; He knew I saw it after I explained the situation, and still acts like I made it up and I'm just always here whining? Is that what it's now referred to when someone warns people about a company here?

Nonetheless, between my posts, other people's and most recently mysitehost and my own now, this should certainly clear up any aspect of it. I never said I knew all the facts, I only said what I saw myself and what I personally felt was a definitely plausible situation by all of what I saw and I rightfully believed it could therefore be -- though I clearly said "I even heard...", nothing more. Nothing left to argue, and yes, Bill, nothing to take legal action about either! I'm not doing this because I think I can "get away with it", or because I think you're a jerk. I did this out of nothing more than concern for these people. I often do a lot and help a lot of people and servers for no charge. They might not have the extra money, or it might not be a 2 week project and I have the time. Believe it or not, I always help people. Sometimes that can't be done without warning people about someone you have good reason to warn them about. That doesn't make me out to be what YOU claim in your arrogance! Furthermore, it doesn't give any of us any special rights. You know nothing about me or who trusts me of not. You might think I'm some sniveling little brat that just gets off on making things up, but you know I didn't make anything up, even if I might be wrong about my conclusion. Further, to act as if my attitude in response to your own, somehow reflects that this is at all true, then you're in some serious jeopardy.

That pretty much says it all, people can assume what they want about myself, or Bill or anyone else. That's what we're here for. I just honestly don't see why it had to end up this way, but it's great for people to see first hand. No matter the outcome, it's REAL and this very well might reflect on the service you get from said people. I once again refer you to mysitehost's most recent post and see how he basically condensed it all up and completely understands what was going on. Why a few other's don't see this, is illogical. Nonetheless, you can see that I don't have anything to prove, since the only aspect was backed up by the man himself. The rest can be left to speculation, which is all it ever was anyway. That is that, and my last post. Anyone that can't understand this innocent intention, is just a trouble maker.
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[Sorry, wanted to say that it was 'mysitehost', not 'mysiteweb'. I won't bother trying to locate my many typo's. :-)]

[Edited by Tim Greer on 02-05-2001 at 04:53 PM]

Tim Greer

02-05-2001, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by BurstNET
>"1) I believe a series of qustions were posted about >BurstNET's facilities, etc. I would like to see them >answered. When I go thru BurstNET's site I am really >UNimpressed by the sky-high prices

<SNIP>

>>If BurstNET is refusing responsibilities to liabilities >>and debts then how can I be assured that prices will >>"remain the same" to quote Jordan?

Liabilities and debts have nothing to do with our intended marketing tactics and pricing levels. I explained in an earlier thread why BurstNET™ is able to purchase assets of a company, and leave an empty shell...including other assets and debts. Example; When you go to a bankruptcy auction, and buy all the equipment, you do not go home with the bankrupt company's debt to their soda machine vendor.

Okay, this is what I'm talking about. This isn't correct at all. You continue to deny any liability or responsibility of anything that you don't personally *want* to provide! You simply can NOT legally claim you bought "assets". People's accounts are NOT sellable without the account holder's permission. If you don't buy the company, you can't realistically buy what other people own -- I.e., user accounts. If you did buy the company, then you are liable of any debts and agreements, etc. that the company was previously and currently committed to. You can't simply change this fact. If you do NOT buy a hosting *company*, you can NOT just buy the accounts, when the user's haven't granted permission or agreed to it.

You better HOPE some people are okay with it, because you can't just buy user accounts and move them to your company and not give anyone any choice or notice. So, obviously you bought out the company. You own the domain, you own everything on the systems. What you decide to do with these things, is your choice still, but not entirely freely legal to just claim whatever you want to about not being liable or responsible for anything you don't personally want to be. Again, please have your legal representative(s) contact me and I'm be more than happy to discuss these issues and point out the general and specifics about them.

>> I WOULD like to know: is BurstNET in the same reseller value-added position as USUSA was?

Yes and No.

.. and, need we say more?

>>are they on VDI servers?

No. BurstNET™ has it's own servers, routers, and equipment.
Yes, they are currently located in the VDI data center.
The BurstNET™ sales/support office is physically less than 2 hours away from VDI, so we are one of the few hosts that actually goes to VDI on a weekly basis.

And, they are at the same NOC, which is what the person asked, I thought?

>> Will my hosting plans now shrink to fit BurstNET's profit margin?

No. As mentioned above, your pricing will remain the same.

Wait, look below!

>What about new accounts I resell: are they under USUSA terms, or BurstNETs?

If you signed up under Ultraspeed USA, than you may resell Ultraspeed USA's accounts at the same price you are currently doing. The only change is that you may now as well sell BurstNET™ plans and services, which includes nationwide dial up access, larger hosting packages, as well as other offerings.

Sean R.
BurstNET™

[Edited by BurstNET on 02-05-2001 at 12:47 PM]

Sean, the deal and prices don't remain the same, if they end up having to charge THEIR client's more, because of your price increase. Now, they get less business, have more of an overhead and less of a profit potential due to the low prices they can no longer provide services for. No one blames you for having to keep your prices set and reasonable for you, but things obviously change. Of course, you're not responsible anyway, right? Nothing changes. I'm surprised you didn't avoid this issue in the usual way and ask the person to "email you personally". Well, I hope things improve.
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-Edward-

02-05-2001, 05:38 PM

bloody hell thats a long post!

kunal

02-05-2001, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Technics
bloody hell thats a long post!

you bet :eek:

[Edited by kunal on 02-05-2001 at 04:43 PM]

Tim Greer

02-05-2001, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by Technics
bloody hell thats a long post!

:-) I type very fast and I always have a lot to say. You should see some of the posts and emails I type out. *l*
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BurstNET

02-05-2001, 06:52 PM

>>Sean, the deal and prices don't remain the same, if they >>end up having to charge THEIR client's more, because of >>your price increase.

I clearly stated above that Ultraspeed USA current clients' pricing and features will remain the same. We honored old True Hosting clients pricing, and are doing the same for Ultraspeed USA clients. Ultraspeed USA resellers can offer the same services, at the same price, at the same profit margins, as they currently are.

Sean R.
BurstNET™

Tim Greer

02-05-2001, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by BurstNET
>>Sean, the deal and prices don't remain the same, if they >>end up having to charge THEIR client's more, because of >>your price increase.

I clearly stated above that Ultraspeed USA current clients' pricing and features will remain the same. We honored old True Hosting clients pricing, and are doing the same for Ultraspeed USA clients. Ultraspeed USA resellers can offer the same services, at the same price, at the same profit margins, as they currently are.

Sean R.
BurstNET™

Very well, I suppose I was thinking of how they can't easily recommend people to the service for the same price any longer, and in addition, have to keep their service the same, without anything new provided that they could have gotten before. Something along those lines. Sorry for the mistake then. However, the main issue I brought up, was that you couldn't possibly buy another company's user accounts, without their consent, unless you buy the company. That's not legal, since those accounts are not considered assets like computers and typewriters and hardware are.

So, you either don't have the legal standing to do this, or you must claim liability for any debts and the like the company you bought out had incurred. It's that simple. Again, have your legal representative(s) contact me and I'll explain the specifics to them and answer any questions they might have. Alternatively, you can be enlightened of these facts, if you seek legal counsel to inform you of these aspects. I'd like for you to cover those issues, for once, and explain exactly and accurately, how you aren't liable, yet still somehow claim you've legally and properly obtained the user accounts in question. If you didn't buy the company, you didn't buy the users. The user's never signed up for your service with your company, and you know that they'd have to do exactly that!

So, which is it? A plot to make people sign up with your company, thinking they have to re-instate their hosting contract (what you probably call a 'confirmation of stay' or something similar), or do you admit to the liability after all? I'm very interested in this, because it affects the clients and myself directly -- and it has to be one or the other, or this is not a legitimate buyout and you never have and never will actually be legitimately hosting these users.
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BurstNET

02-05-2001, 07:22 PM

No problem Tim, I was just clarifying that.

Actually they are considered assets.
Some modern banks will accept your client base as colateral for a loan even, if you can prove the revenue.

And yes, we are having Ultraspeed USA clients re-confirm their service.

Sean R.
BurstNET™

scottlaw

02-05-2001, 08:02 PM

Tim,

Boy you have hit another sore-spot with me... Where did you get your law degree from (and yes, I can tell you where I got mine from since I know that will be your clever comeback)? If you have one it must of been from one of those Internet law schools in California because you know absolutely nothing about basic business law. You might know a thing or two about system admin and programming but don't try to talk like you know the law when you are flat wrong on your assumptions.

Why would Burst or their lawyers waste their time talking to you about his... You are a lay person and should have your own lawyer try to explain to you how things work legally. If you think you are right go get a true lawyer, not a "I play one on message boards" and sue them for the 1,000 that that got you pissed off at the world.... I would like to see you recover.

Scott

Tim Greer

02-05-2001, 08:16 PM

Originally posted by scottlaw
Tim,

Boy you have hit another sore-spot with me... Where did you get your law degree from (and yes, I can tell you where I got mine from since I know that will be your clever comeback)? If you have one it must of been from one of those Internet law schools in California because you know absolutely nothing about basic business law. You might know a thing or two about system admin and programming but don't try to talk like you know the law when you are flat wrong on your assumptions.

Why would Burst or their lawyers waste their time talking to you about his... You are a lay person and should have your own lawyer try to explain to you how things work legally. If you think you are right go get a true lawyer, not a "I play one on message boards" and sue them for the 1,000 that that got you pissed off at the world.... I would like to see you recover.

Scott

Sure scott, and I *really* care. Exactly how can someone possibly NOT "hit a nerve: with you always going out of your way to dismiss the facts and attack people? I've been *real* impressed with your conveyance of professional "lawyer-ish" BS so far. Give me a break. Burst said themselves, in the post above, that they will be signing up with them. Since you think you know the law, you'd know that if Burst didn't buy the "company" and only it's client's, they are NOT their clients, unless they specifically have the client's sign up with THEIR company! Again, you try and talk like you have a clue and make a fool out of yourself! Did I ever say I was going to sue? No, I've only been posting information about the problem I have with them and why! What exactly don't you get about that, lawyer boy?

Again, I reference the facts; They say they aren't liable, because they didn't buy the company, but rather it's assets. These client's (none of them) have a valid hosting contract with Burst at this point. Why? Because they NEVER signed up with them and signed their hosting contract for it to be legally binding, you genius! So, they don't have the client's, they haven't legally obtained them, UNLESS or UNTIL they have the client sign up with THEIR company. Therefore, and until then, they are NOT Burst's client's or "property". Now Scotty, are you even TRYING here, or just enjoy looking like an arrogant jerk that can't seem to grasp the obvious? I hate people that think they are smarter than they actually are. Pay attention, or get the facts straight. Had you, you'd know what I said and why. Good luck with your "lawyer" career! I guess those cracker-jack boxes come with some pretty "nifty" things these days? :-)
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Tim Greer

02-05-2001, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by BurstNET
No problem Tim, I was just clarifying that.

Actually they are considered assets.
Some modern banks will accept your client base as colateral for a loan even, if you can prove the revenue.

And yes, we are having Ultraspeed USA clients re-confirm their service.

Sean R.
BurstNET™

Okay, so you're saying the people will just be signing up with you then... So, that is when they will actually be a client. I don't see how this is actually continuing people's hosting contracts, but I guess you can consider it as Burst giving you the same deal you got before. As for the rest of the issues, your guess is as good as mine. However...

I just don't like how their last buyout and emails made people think they were continuing to be hosted on the same type of service, when they'd actually be signing up. I hope all the accounting was done properly and no one decides they want a refund, instead of being hosted on a new company they had no choice about, or face the fact that they won't be able to get a refund. This is what I mean about forced hosting on Burst. It's them or lose money you paid to the previous company. I nthe client's best interests? You decide.
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scottlaw

02-05-2001, 08:41 PM

Tim,

Again with the personal attacks... It seems you can only make sense for a few hours a day then you have to go on a rampage...

Well I guess you showed me... For legal advise give Tim a call because he knows more then lawyers do :) Can I call you tonight about this child support case I have... I might need some help from your legal mind :)

A little bit of legal wisdom for Tim, contracts are assignable. What type of agreement did Ultraspeed's clients have with them? Go run with this :)

You are wasting too much of my time and others... Maybe we can all collect a fund to pay Tim his 1,000 so he will just shut up and go away and this board can get back to the business of helping people in the hosting industry instead of trying to put them under with petty grips.

Scott

Tim Greer

02-05-2001, 08:52 PM

Well, I've said all I possibly can. What problems I have with this and why. If 3rd party entities can't deal with it, too bad. Most people have told me they agree these are valid concerns. For the people that don't agree, aren't involved or don't care. It's getting old coming here and finding some dolt personally attacking me, because he doesn't like that I have expressed concerns of mine about these valid issues.

Therefore, anyone that truly needs this BS in their life, can have it. I can't be anymore clear about the issues without taking more time than I care to, to properly explain them in enough detail (for some of the people that seem to desperately need it). So, have at it. I'm not going to clarify or post to some new maniacs' post and re-explain it again. Personally, this is as far as I go, I've had it and I'm done. There's always going to be someone that will argue the points, no matter what, so they can argue to themselves.

I'm not going to even waste my time reading this board anymore. So, make up whatever you like, try and ridicule me with your best attempts at wit and see who it impresses. A point has been made, if people can't accept that, well, they are doomed to be miserable. :-)
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MySiteHost

02-05-2001, 08:56 PM

I have said before to try and aproach things with a neutral attitude, otherwise we will be forced to draw our own conclusions.

Aparently my warning wasn't heeded by this individual and has decided to ignor facts, and civilities, in the name of getting in the last word and/or continue the pointless argument that is mostly based on symantec, rhetoric and hypocracies.

I personaly don't feel any value to what is being said by this person and I will personaly ignor him on these issues from now on.

It is up to whoever is left that is actually reading these posts to come up with their own judgements and feelings on the situation. I hope your judgement isn't emotionaly clouded.

[Edited by mysitehost on 02-05-2001 at 08:02 PM]

scottlaw

02-05-2001, 09:19 PM

mysitehost,

You are right... We all know the truth about me now.

1) I don't appreciate it when individuals disparage a company in public when they know the facts cannot be proven.

2) I don't like to see lay people giving legal analysis, especially incorrect legal analysis, in a public place where someone might actually believe what they are saying.

The truth about me is out and I am ashamed... I better change my username now :)

Scott

baileysemt123

02-05-2001, 11:02 PM

Tim, Scott, et al -- go get your own thread. I am tired of reading BOTH of your insults. I am on this board to do business, not to screw around with diatribes etc. Make your point, make it concisely - clearly - and courteously, and leave some bandwidth for the rest of us. Thank you. *curtsey*

Now. Back to BurstNET:

(1) My concerns still remain about Burst's packages and how they relate to MY account. Sean, maybe your dedicated servers are reasonable, but this is not the Dedicated Server Forum. That's another part of the board. I am a reseller of virtual packages, using virtual packages... as are the majority of other users to THIS forum.

I never asked you to be a discount host, I just wanted clarification that my prices will stay the same. Here's my reason for concern:

** Base plan at $9.95/mo at both companies
- Burst: 5 megs disk space, 2000 megs transfer/mo.
- Ultraspeed 50 megs disk space, 5000 megs transfer/mo.
That was not a typo, on the bottom plan I get TEN TIMES the disk space with Ultraspeed.

** Mid-grade plan at 14.95/mo Burst, and 16.95/mo at Ultraspeed
- Burst 25 megs disk space, 5000 megs transfer/mo
- Ultraspeed 200 megs disk space, 10,000 megs transfer/mo.
At Burst's rates, I still could not host my own site on this most affordable plan.

** Next Plan at $24.95 Ultraspeed / $29.95 Burst:
ONLY AT THIS POINT do Burst's server space/transfer excel. Now this is the plan that I use at Ultraspeed; I host my main site here, and I have resold a 2nd account at "mid-grade". I will NOT be able to keep that resold site there with Burst because Burst does not offer me enough space. And heaven knows I should not have to pop more cash for the extra space -- $15 for 25 megs stinks. $20 for 75 megs stinks. You can do better!

This is just what Tim was talking about, the BOTTOM LINE and PROFITABILITY. Precisely why I went with Ultraspeed in the first place!!!!!

Now let's get into the special fees:

** Personalized DNS nameservers
- Free at Ultraspeed
- $50 set-up fee PLUS $25/mo at Burst

** Additional disk space
- $1 for 10 megs at Ultraspeed
- $1 for ONE meg at Burst... or $5 for 50 megs
("But I don't WANT fifty, and I don't WANT to tack another 5 bucks on...")

Domain name parking
- Free at Ultraspeed
- $25 one-time fee at Burst

Domain pointing
- Free & unlimited at Ultraspeed
- Cannot even find if this EXISTS at Burst -- or is this a.k.a. "parking" in which case, 25 bucks? You can't be serious.

Shopping Cart
- Free AND INCLUDED at Ultraspeed
- $29.95 set-up fee PLUS $10/mo at Burst

Value-added services... like Tape Back-ups
- Daily at Ultraspeed
- WEEKLY at Burst
(do you know how much can change in a week? Of course only a moron relies on a tape back-up, but, I consider this a sign as to whether a company really gives a damn about me or not, whether they're willing to make a daily commitment to me...)

Uptime Guarantees
- 99.6% at Ultraspeed
- 99.5% at Burst
Using these "guarantees" (which I am sure no one is really responsible for) monthly accounts are allowed 3.6 hours/month downtime at Burst, but only 2.88 hours at Ultraspeed.
Over the course of a year, Burst customers are guaranteed no more than 43.8 hours of downtime; Ultraspeed guaranteed me less than 35.04 hours of downtime. Do you know how many orders can come in in 8 hours time?

(2) So then I thought, looky here, they have a FAQ section... I have questions... we'll check that out. Well here I found that of six sections for FAQs (about each of their services, like referral partners; resellers; dial-up services, etc.) only ONE of SIX is even up and functional.

(3) The drop-down menus on the main/home page at Burst.net don't even work, a person gets a server config / can't find error. Now if they cannot maintain the basic LINKS at their site, how am I to be assured that their nuts and bolts are in order? And how about that "live help" fellow -- is he EVER available? I am starting to think he's just there for show & tell, I don't think he Really Exists.

(4) ......And finally......... one of the reasons I went with Ultraspeed was because they are on VDI servers. I ran traceroutes at various times and WATCHED the times and connections. I liked how there weren't lots of hops when I got into VDI's/Ultraspeed's "neighborhood." (traceroute nomonthly.com, which is where I was, and you'll see what I mean... tons of hops out on the east coast)

So basically once your new NOC is built, you will NOT have the OC3 Fiber T3 connectivity (that would be the 15 T3s connecting to the backbone) via Level3 and MCI/Worldcom/UUNet. Well I happen to LIKE this particular connection, and I am not hot about the connection being changed. I happen to like how my Ultraspeed account is not sharing part of the Ultraspeed pipe with dial-up accounts. I want that bandwidth for MY site, not so little Sally can look up Barbiedoll pictures on the internet from Mommy's computer. I want bandwidth to serve, not so others may draw. If I wanted a pipe shared with dial-ups, I'd just set up a server right here in my hometown and lease out a line. I can get shared pipe right here.

Furthermore with moving to a new NOC, how are you going to handle the invariable glitches that ALWAYS come up when starting up a new system? Are you planning to at least run co-located servers and mirror for a couple of months until your system is solid? What kind of guarantee are you going to give me on that? Let's hear specifics: routers, connections, server hardware, SONET rings, the whole nine yards. Amaze me with technical detail. Because I don't host with someone who won't be up-front about what's behind the big steel door.

As well, please WOW me with how you plan to keep your servers efficient and avoid *****-like burps. I was really impressed with how Ultraspeed configured their servers so that only a percentage (20-40 some percent I believe) were actually being utilized. Tons of accounts weren't been jammed onto a single server, so that if site A had a lot of sudden traffic, site B's performance wouldn't suffer. Explain to me how you will prevent these sorts of DoS/traffic lags and downages, by how your servers will be configured. Again, BE SPECIFIC. Ultraspeed was, and that won them my business.

(5) THIS IS THE BIG ONE. Finally, I object to adult content. I liked Ultraspeed because they did not serve adult sites. They were straightforward in their policies. Now I get to deal with a company that caters to adult content as well. I have a problem with that. A BIG problem.

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That said: (and yes, I'm going to post this on the main forum as a new thread)

Can someone please recommend a new host who is on VDI? I would most appreciate your feedback for good tech support & communication (like I had with Ultraspeed) and also has a RELIABLE, STABLE connection.

I would also prefer if they have maturity beyond age 5, but will work through it if they don't. :-)

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That's all for now, boys and girls! I'm off for an hour of TV, then I'll be back to see what y'all have to say.

Bailey

[Edited by baileysemt123 on 02-05-2001 at 10:10 PM]