Good or Bad ?
specifically Duron 1.0 and up
I am just curious cause I see pretty good deals for these type servers and are they Reliable for Webhosting ?

AMD chips will run hotter than Intel counter parts. Provided they are properly cooled you shouldn't have any reliabilty problems out of them.

Personally I prefer to spend a little more for Intel. I sleep better at night knowing if the CPU fan was to quit on me the CPU wouldn't be welded to the motherboard. :)

Thanks sonichost :) anyone else have comments ?

I am basically going to repeat what sonichost said. AMD's are known to run hotter than an intel chip. However in my opinion AMD offers just as good performance, if not better than intel, and costs alot less.

Thier good chips:)

good cpu for a low price!

Ok.. heres a reallllllllly stupid question....

What temperature range is considered "normal" or "ok"? My CPU runs at about 110-130 F and my case temp is usually 78-89...

You may now tar and feather me at your leisure (or tarball me depending on your preference :D :stickout ).

*stands still*

I think your temperature is on the normal range... My computer is also around that range.

If you take a look at the RackShack forums you will notice that 90% of the people who are having problems with repeated crashes have Duron servers. When someone posts a problem along the lines of "my server crashes every 2 days - had the ram changed - server is still crashing" or "when compiling xyz I am getting these errors or the server just crashes" I have been asking them what type of server they have - 100% of the answers so far have been "an AMD Duron". So if you do get a duron, make sure you get good well tested hardware and a gaurantee. I myself would stick with Intel CPU's for a server if it only means spending a few extra dollars.

P.S. I should add that I *might* consider something like an Athlon XP / MP 1700 or a very fast AMD chip like that if I could get a good deal, but the Duron is not particularily fast (slower than a PIII) and so it doesn't really bring anything to the table. For me a slightly faster server with less chance of hardware glitches is definitely worth the $10 or $20 more a month and the slightly higher setup fee it is likely to cost.

To my experience Durons are not that reliable as PIII, no crashes or any major problems with PIII yet (touch wood) But Durons , all of my duron servers have crashed atleast once :( for no reason. And I beleive due to high CPU temp. as mentioned above.

Thats just my opinion ;)
-Rupi

If you want AMD, I would go for an Athlon XP. Good all round.

Originally posted by panopticon
If you take a look at the RackShack forums you will notice that 90% of the people who are having problems with repeated crashes have Duron servers. When someone posts a problem along the lines of "my server crashes every 2 days - had the ram changed - server is still crashing" or "when compiling xyz I am getting these errors or the server just crashes" I have been asking them what type of server they have - 100% of the answers so far have been "an AMD Duron". So if you do get a duron, make sure you get good well tested hardware and a gaurantee. I myself would stick with Intel CPU's for a server if it only means spending a few extra dollars.

That most lilkely reflects on the quality of the mobo, psu, hsf etc. rather than just the CPU.

Durons and AMD's in genral are GREAT! They run fast and I prefer them 100% over Intel CPUs. I can recommend them!

Originally posted by MGCJerry
Ok.. heres a reallllllllly stupid question....

What temperature range is considered "normal" or "ok"? My CPU runs at about 110-130 F and my case temp is usually 78-89...

You may now tar and feather me at your leisure (or tarball me depending on your preference :D :stickout ).

*stands still*

That sort of temperature is way too high for a CPU, I think you should check if your cooler fan is working properly or if the cooler itself is well fitted!

Regarding the subject, we don't got any problems with the Duron based servers with got! (some running very busy sites)!

You will not regret it if you get one! (and please don't compare like a Duron 1Ghz to a Celeron 1Ghz since the duron is way better)!

I've never used a Duron in a server so take what I say with a pinch of salt. I haven't used one in a server because I don't believe a low-cost chip designed for home use should be used in a server, and it's lower levels of cache would reduce it's overall speed.

We find that PIII's are pretty safe bets when it comes to a shared-hosting environment.

Originally posted by KDAWebServices

Originally posted by panopticon
If you take a look at the RackShack forums you will notice that 90% of the people who are having problems with repeated crashes have Duron servers. When someone posts a problem along the lines of "my server crashes every 2 days - had the ram changed - server is still crashing" or "when compiling xyz I am getting these errors or the server just crashes" I have been asking them what type of server they have - 100% of the answers so far have been "an AMD Duron". So if you do get a duron, make sure you get good well tested hardware and a gaurantee. I myself would stick with Intel CPU's for a server if it only means spending a few extra dollars.
That most lilkely reflects on the quality of the mobo, psu, hsf etc. rather than just the CPU.

Absolutely true. The problem is that most of the AMD Duron servers are low-end deals and as such you don't get any gaurantee what hardware will be used, how much the person assembling them knows or how careful they will be, or what (if any) testing and burn-in is done to assure that all the components are working well together. It seems Intel chips are less picky, or the low-end intel chipsets/motherboards are less prone to problems than the low-end duron chipsets/motherboards/etc. right now. I wouldn't have a problem using an AMD in a system I could assemble and test myself in my own time, but it would seem from all the problem posts I've read that if you're buying a good-deal whitebox server your odds are better with an Intel than with a Duron of having a problem-free experience.

That sort of temperature is way too high for a CPU, I think you should check if your cooler fan is working properly or if the cooler itself is well fitted!

Odd... I have 2 intake fans, 1 exhaust, 1 psu fan, 1 AGP fan and using an AMD approved heatsink/fan assembly (with heatsink compoud). Plus my computer isnt a server. But, in general, what is an ideal CPU temp for a server *and* a temp for a Desktop?

My computer is colder than any other person I know who uses AMD Athlons. Believe me, if I could afford liquid cooling I'd do it cause I know a few places that could set me up with it :)

Both of my desktop systems are AMD.

My main desktop is a AMD Thunderbird 1.2Ghz. It runs about 35C idle / 50C full load. 50C is a little too hot for my likeing, but considering it's located in a desk that is enclosed on 3 sides the temps aren't that bad and I've never had stability problems.

My second system is a AMD Duron 900. I went all out putting this one together. Vantec Copper heatsink, Arctic Silver II, Drive Bay "freezer", 2 Vantec Stealth case fans, and flat IDE cables.
It runs about 30C Idle / 38C full load. No stability problems with this one either.

As long as you have sufficient cooling you shouldn't have stability problems. If you do have problems you can rest assured it is either heat or hardware related.

Using Intel greatly reduces the chances of either of these issues plagueing you.

AMD=heating

I have AMD 2100 now and the temperature is around 50 degree celcius. So if you get one for hosting, stay away from AMD because you never know when those heating issue struck you.

u guys have hot running chips!

when my AMD 1600 server is running it never gets above 45 C
usually hovers at 35C

hehe, i use the heat sink and fan from the retail box. I call them up, they said, 50 is normal. :rolleyes: BTW, they also said, 2000+ chip above, general LOTs of heat.

so back to the hosting issue, most server come max at 1900. So, i don't think it will be a big issues.

thanks for all the comments , I think I will stick with Intel for peace of mind and sanity :stickout

Yep 50º and above temps are normal for $5 coolers ;)

Seriously you people should get decent coolers like Vulcano 7 if you don't wanna spend too much!

Thougth you people in here knew more about hardware ;)