Tim Greer
02-03-2001, 01:37 AM
I agree with some of the posts about these issues turning rather unprofessional. People tearing at each other doesn't inform anyone of what's going on. It's difficult to convey accurate information about a situation, with all the rhetoric involved. Let's get to the facts. If there's no facts or known information, then ask a relevant question or state your valid suspicions, not just a lot of foolish name calling and random blaming.
For example, here's my concerns and thoughts:
#1: Burst.net is synonymous with getting their client's by buying out companies that have a poor reputation and are in danger of going out of business. Why is this? I couldn't guess. Maybe it's the only way they can get clients? I recall the whole Truehosting fiasco. What a nightmare that was. The worst possibly reputation and highest number of unhappy customers out of any host I've ever heard of. Why Burst would buy them out? Your guess is as good as mine. Myself and many others had our suspicions.
The fact that Burst has done this again, again to and with another failing company with a slipping reputation, leaves reason for concern about said company, as well as Burst. This is something I can't quite understand, but it's none of my business. I personally can only conclude that Burst.net (by my many personal conversations with them previously) are simply what I'd refer to as "bottom feeders". Never was any evidence or reason given that would have justified some of their dealings and policies that are to many, seemingly quite atrocious. Uh, maybe I'm wrong... right...
Anyway, moving along, I simply don't always see these things are better service or as being more stable. They once again saw someone desperate for a sale, someone that would benefit from the quick sale, and got as many clients as they could, for the cheapest price they could. Never saw any indication to want to better their service, but what does a year or more actually prove? Nothing, I guess. Oh well. Personally, this would concern me, because of how they gain the clientele and the manner in which the policies change afterwards. For example, when they bought out Truehosting (of all people), they said something to the effect that any dealings that were with truehosting, that they weren't liable for. This is not only blatantly stupid, but not legally accurate either. You buy a company, you buy their problems, debts and the like.
This brings me to my next issue:
#2: Jordan Gross stated that he will finally be paying me for my work I did for the UltraSpeed company, after telling me previously that (basically this) "We're doing internal restructuring and it'll be many weeks before he could even tell me if I was to be paid". I posted about this, made my concerns clear and Jordan posted saying he was sending s cheque. Now, he might have, but we'll see. I can only hope. However, did he? He obviously knew he was selling, maybe he planned on selling that problem with the company? Like I said, maybe he will/did, but did he? I know that Burst.net won't plan on paying me and if Jordan thinks he sold his problem, he's wrong.
In fact, Burst would legally have to pay me, no matter what "contract" they may have signed. (which brings me back to the joke of a claim Burst made about the sales contract for truehosting and how they said they weren't liable. This is incorrect. For many reasons. One being, they claimed to have bought truehosting to help the clients. Why then, did they not honor the refunds coming to so many, many people that deserved it, knowing that Peter Francis would have never (and never did) take care of these issues? Why? To make sure you get those clients, since they paid and couldn't get a refund, Burst? Good way to ensure more clients.) That is my theory. So, will I get paid? By who? I noticed the notice on UltraSpeed is almost word-for-word that the announcement on Truehosting was, same type of terms, etc... just wonderful...
As soon as a company has trouble, a bad reputation, that company always claims that "everything's fine, we're not going anywhere" and seem to secretly convey some information to concerned parties that have more publicity (no names mentioned) that seem to make them confident that everything's not as the rumors appear or lead you to believe. Then, within a week or two, Burst steps in and buys them out... these are not decisions made over a day on either companies part. This is blatant deceit and dishonesty, and I don't see a plausible reason for this action, for companies that are in an immediate danger of going out of business. This can't be denied, because the facts are obvious and Burst wouldn't have bought them otherwise (whatever company in question that might be at the time... be it Truehosting or UltraSpeed).
I can understand not wanting to say you might be selling, because the company that buys you out, might lose a lot of concerned customers, so they wait until the last minute and spring it on everyone and those people are thrown into the issue, suddenly. Sometimes it's best to be honest and let people know what's going on. Personally, I find the business tactics that are standard for certain companies to be suspect. Again, my opinion.
#3: Since my name was brought up by Jason, about my opinion of Daniel's abilities. I don't believe Dan ever claimed to have the same amount of knowledge I do about system administration or hosting issues. I don't believe he ever said he knew more than I do, or not. I never discussed it with him. I'm certain I have more knowledge and experience then Dan, but I never said he doesn't know anything. I don't think he knows enough to be running a web hosting service by himself, but that's my opinion. I'm not here to defame or belittle anyone or their qualifications. In fact, no offense to anyone, but I don't see many people that come to this web board that are qualified in that aspect. Of course, I don't have the knowledge I do of them, that I do of Dan by seeing their work and policies, etc.
#4: Since this was brought up to -- I'm not speaking for AnGen -- but I know the situation of that too. I don't believe it was fair to bring up that here by Jason or Dan. However, to be blunt and clear about this issue; Dan did work for them, doing things. No, he didn't get paid very much. He was learning as he went. he was still being paid, although not much. That was the terms he agreed to, or he'd not have been doing it for 6 months or a year (or however long it was). I don't see why these terms were good enough initially, but how it became a problem. Well, I do, in a way; Because he expected he'd be getting paid more, when he knew more and the company made more. That didn't happen to the extent he hoped and it wasn't enough payment for the work involved. That's fine. So, rather than act like he was completely ripped off, he needs to realize and admit (if you ask me), that it just wasn't worth it to him anymore -- not because anyone screwed anyone over or changed their minds. Dan told me himself, that he was pissed off, because Genady made so-much money at his day job and wasn't paying him as much as he should have been.
Okay, that's Genady's day job, the deal with the server, was that if they can all make it highly profitable, they'd all reap the rewards. It's not losing money, but it's not making an excessive amount either, so admit that as the reason and how you changed your mind about it being worth it for so little pay. Genady was paying Dan out of his own pocket from his "day job", which had nothing to do with the server, until it made more money. Genady enjoys doing it and gives people a good service. He does this, by paying out of his own pocket if needed. he's always been honest about it and never held any animosity to anyway, yet Dan speaks poorly of him, because he didn't pay Dan a high wage out of his own pocket? That's not reasonable.
No matter how much someone makes at their day job, if the agreement is to make money from the business profiting, then you, as a person that is involved or employed by said company should simply do your best to make it a better success and reap the rewards from the action. If not, or you don't wish to make the effort enough or any further, fine.. move on and be glad you could learn hands on experience. Being blunt again, Dan, this is what people meant. We see your messages about calling people vulgar names, no matter what their attitude and seeing your personality and attitude being so hostile and arrogant often enough, it's as if we didn't know what you were like. Personally, my problem, was when you unfairly deleted my accounts off UltraSpeed, but I've explained that already and brought up the issues with/about UltraSpeed and yourself and Jordan both apologized, but never gave reasons. What will come of that, who's to say? Of course, I was told these posts in question wouldn't be edited or deleted -- and they've been gone for a week now...
#5: VDI? You think Dan is going to buy VDI and control Burst? Don't get your hopes up. However, speaking of VDI, their services have improved since last year, but I've personally never been impressed with them. The last thing I've known or heard, was seeing URL's to the staff of VDI all sitting around the server smoking pot, drinking and generally partying. Maybe that doesn't concern people, but from what I understand, if they are "busted" for what they do at their "NOC" in the day, all that bragged about equipment will likely be confiscated by the DEA. Do I need to go into detail, or am I going to have my information question again, posts not restored, etc.? Doubt me if you like, but that'd be a pretty ridiculous and far-fetched load of BS to try and pawn off, wouldn't you think? Or, is someone going to tell me that I was wrong about the UltraSpeed and truehosting issue too? I don't think so.
See, this is nothing about age of staff members, this is about facts, information and what people should be rightfully concerned about. Whatever the issue between Dan and Jason, how is that relevant, really? I mean, blame Dan for leaving, or what? He hasn't done anything, but leave and therefore bring doubt and concerns to the UltraSpeed owner, Jordan, whom stated they weren't going anywhere and promptly sold out a few days later. So, I'll stay out of this, other than to wonder if I'm still going to be paid for the services I rendered for UltraSpeed so-long ago, or if Burst is not liable and is going to deny it? I don't want to get involved, but I don't want to be ripped off either. I won't tolerate it.
I can release all sorts of nifty info all day, but I'm not interested. I hope this works out, but I too have my own concerns. I don't think anyone should be fighting about this or defending or offending each other, because as far as I see it, many of you are fighting with the wrong people, not asking the right questions, or simply ignoring the relevant issues at hand. There's more to this than personal feelings. Have a legitimate reason and seek the relevant answers. Geez, I just want to be paid, finally. :-)
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For example, here's my concerns and thoughts:
#1: Burst.net is synonymous with getting their client's by buying out companies that have a poor reputation and are in danger of going out of business. Why is this? I couldn't guess. Maybe it's the only way they can get clients? I recall the whole Truehosting fiasco. What a nightmare that was. The worst possibly reputation and highest number of unhappy customers out of any host I've ever heard of. Why Burst would buy them out? Your guess is as good as mine. Myself and many others had our suspicions.
The fact that Burst has done this again, again to and with another failing company with a slipping reputation, leaves reason for concern about said company, as well as Burst. This is something I can't quite understand, but it's none of my business. I personally can only conclude that Burst.net (by my many personal conversations with them previously) are simply what I'd refer to as "bottom feeders". Never was any evidence or reason given that would have justified some of their dealings and policies that are to many, seemingly quite atrocious. Uh, maybe I'm wrong... right...
Anyway, moving along, I simply don't always see these things are better service or as being more stable. They once again saw someone desperate for a sale, someone that would benefit from the quick sale, and got as many clients as they could, for the cheapest price they could. Never saw any indication to want to better their service, but what does a year or more actually prove? Nothing, I guess. Oh well. Personally, this would concern me, because of how they gain the clientele and the manner in which the policies change afterwards. For example, when they bought out Truehosting (of all people), they said something to the effect that any dealings that were with truehosting, that they weren't liable for. This is not only blatantly stupid, but not legally accurate either. You buy a company, you buy their problems, debts and the like.
This brings me to my next issue:
#2: Jordan Gross stated that he will finally be paying me for my work I did for the UltraSpeed company, after telling me previously that (basically this) "We're doing internal restructuring and it'll be many weeks before he could even tell me if I was to be paid". I posted about this, made my concerns clear and Jordan posted saying he was sending s cheque. Now, he might have, but we'll see. I can only hope. However, did he? He obviously knew he was selling, maybe he planned on selling that problem with the company? Like I said, maybe he will/did, but did he? I know that Burst.net won't plan on paying me and if Jordan thinks he sold his problem, he's wrong.
In fact, Burst would legally have to pay me, no matter what "contract" they may have signed. (which brings me back to the joke of a claim Burst made about the sales contract for truehosting and how they said they weren't liable. This is incorrect. For many reasons. One being, they claimed to have bought truehosting to help the clients. Why then, did they not honor the refunds coming to so many, many people that deserved it, knowing that Peter Francis would have never (and never did) take care of these issues? Why? To make sure you get those clients, since they paid and couldn't get a refund, Burst? Good way to ensure more clients.) That is my theory. So, will I get paid? By who? I noticed the notice on UltraSpeed is almost word-for-word that the announcement on Truehosting was, same type of terms, etc... just wonderful...
As soon as a company has trouble, a bad reputation, that company always claims that "everything's fine, we're not going anywhere" and seem to secretly convey some information to concerned parties that have more publicity (no names mentioned) that seem to make them confident that everything's not as the rumors appear or lead you to believe. Then, within a week or two, Burst steps in and buys them out... these are not decisions made over a day on either companies part. This is blatant deceit and dishonesty, and I don't see a plausible reason for this action, for companies that are in an immediate danger of going out of business. This can't be denied, because the facts are obvious and Burst wouldn't have bought them otherwise (whatever company in question that might be at the time... be it Truehosting or UltraSpeed).
I can understand not wanting to say you might be selling, because the company that buys you out, might lose a lot of concerned customers, so they wait until the last minute and spring it on everyone and those people are thrown into the issue, suddenly. Sometimes it's best to be honest and let people know what's going on. Personally, I find the business tactics that are standard for certain companies to be suspect. Again, my opinion.
#3: Since my name was brought up by Jason, about my opinion of Daniel's abilities. I don't believe Dan ever claimed to have the same amount of knowledge I do about system administration or hosting issues. I don't believe he ever said he knew more than I do, or not. I never discussed it with him. I'm certain I have more knowledge and experience then Dan, but I never said he doesn't know anything. I don't think he knows enough to be running a web hosting service by himself, but that's my opinion. I'm not here to defame or belittle anyone or their qualifications. In fact, no offense to anyone, but I don't see many people that come to this web board that are qualified in that aspect. Of course, I don't have the knowledge I do of them, that I do of Dan by seeing their work and policies, etc.
#4: Since this was brought up to -- I'm not speaking for AnGen -- but I know the situation of that too. I don't believe it was fair to bring up that here by Jason or Dan. However, to be blunt and clear about this issue; Dan did work for them, doing things. No, he didn't get paid very much. He was learning as he went. he was still being paid, although not much. That was the terms he agreed to, or he'd not have been doing it for 6 months or a year (or however long it was). I don't see why these terms were good enough initially, but how it became a problem. Well, I do, in a way; Because he expected he'd be getting paid more, when he knew more and the company made more. That didn't happen to the extent he hoped and it wasn't enough payment for the work involved. That's fine. So, rather than act like he was completely ripped off, he needs to realize and admit (if you ask me), that it just wasn't worth it to him anymore -- not because anyone screwed anyone over or changed their minds. Dan told me himself, that he was pissed off, because Genady made so-much money at his day job and wasn't paying him as much as he should have been.
Okay, that's Genady's day job, the deal with the server, was that if they can all make it highly profitable, they'd all reap the rewards. It's not losing money, but it's not making an excessive amount either, so admit that as the reason and how you changed your mind about it being worth it for so little pay. Genady was paying Dan out of his own pocket from his "day job", which had nothing to do with the server, until it made more money. Genady enjoys doing it and gives people a good service. He does this, by paying out of his own pocket if needed. he's always been honest about it and never held any animosity to anyway, yet Dan speaks poorly of him, because he didn't pay Dan a high wage out of his own pocket? That's not reasonable.
No matter how much someone makes at their day job, if the agreement is to make money from the business profiting, then you, as a person that is involved or employed by said company should simply do your best to make it a better success and reap the rewards from the action. If not, or you don't wish to make the effort enough or any further, fine.. move on and be glad you could learn hands on experience. Being blunt again, Dan, this is what people meant. We see your messages about calling people vulgar names, no matter what their attitude and seeing your personality and attitude being so hostile and arrogant often enough, it's as if we didn't know what you were like. Personally, my problem, was when you unfairly deleted my accounts off UltraSpeed, but I've explained that already and brought up the issues with/about UltraSpeed and yourself and Jordan both apologized, but never gave reasons. What will come of that, who's to say? Of course, I was told these posts in question wouldn't be edited or deleted -- and they've been gone for a week now...
#5: VDI? You think Dan is going to buy VDI and control Burst? Don't get your hopes up. However, speaking of VDI, their services have improved since last year, but I've personally never been impressed with them. The last thing I've known or heard, was seeing URL's to the staff of VDI all sitting around the server smoking pot, drinking and generally partying. Maybe that doesn't concern people, but from what I understand, if they are "busted" for what they do at their "NOC" in the day, all that bragged about equipment will likely be confiscated by the DEA. Do I need to go into detail, or am I going to have my information question again, posts not restored, etc.? Doubt me if you like, but that'd be a pretty ridiculous and far-fetched load of BS to try and pawn off, wouldn't you think? Or, is someone going to tell me that I was wrong about the UltraSpeed and truehosting issue too? I don't think so.
See, this is nothing about age of staff members, this is about facts, information and what people should be rightfully concerned about. Whatever the issue between Dan and Jason, how is that relevant, really? I mean, blame Dan for leaving, or what? He hasn't done anything, but leave and therefore bring doubt and concerns to the UltraSpeed owner, Jordan, whom stated they weren't going anywhere and promptly sold out a few days later. So, I'll stay out of this, other than to wonder if I'm still going to be paid for the services I rendered for UltraSpeed so-long ago, or if Burst is not liable and is going to deny it? I don't want to get involved, but I don't want to be ripped off either. I won't tolerate it.
I can release all sorts of nifty info all day, but I'm not interested. I hope this works out, but I too have my own concerns. I don't think anyone should be fighting about this or defending or offending each other, because as far as I see it, many of you are fighting with the wrong people, not asking the right questions, or simply ignoring the relevant issues at hand. There's more to this than personal feelings. Have a legitimate reason and seek the relevant answers. Geez, I just want to be paid, finally. :-)
--
Regards,
Tim Greer: chatmaster@c-zone.net | Tel: (530) 247-1749
Programming: CGI, Perl, C/C++, ASP, SQL, PHP and more.
Server & network administration, security, consulting,
Installation & configuration. Unix/Linux/FreeBSD & NT.