Look,
I am trying to get a buisness started here and I need to know what to plan ahead for. I cannot be forcefully involved in bull crap like this.

Paul Dan, If you have to do something you had better let those that want to know, know. You may be hurting more buisnesses than you know if you pull anything rash.

I for one am not in a position to "Run like hell" as Paul so ellequently put it to me in ICQ.

So, unless it's a legitamate buisness venture, without defamaing, or intent to disrupt BurstNET and/or Uspeed, ignor what is said.

I will be posting more as things transpire.

This will not be taken lightly.

Jason

you've been an annoying little prick for as long as i've known you, please grow up and keep your nose out of things where it doesn't belong, your more than welcome to post what you like however your not forcing me or paul to reveal anything until we are ready.

Understand?

I AM A CUSTOMER OF ULTRASPEEDUSA I AM DIRECTLY INVOLVED HERE!!

What an a$$hole thing to say! You are an ungratefull wretch Daniel. You screwed more people than I care to mention with a stroke of art. Hell i'll mention a few just for fun. I am sure they'd love to say something. Tim_Greer, Geanady, Me, Bill, the list goes on. We all helped you to get started. You had no clue how to admin a server when I first met you. Tim i'm sure has the same opinion on that.

You have already just killed yourselves. You will not suceed with anything you do as it wouldn't be pruedent for anyone to get hosting by you at any price.

Had Paul told me that it was a simple buisness venture I would not have a problem with it. And I would have been happy with what was said. Instead....

Here is the conversation:
Mysitehost: I figured this out two weeks ago, ain't that a buncha shyt?
Paul L: we knew what was going on :) and allready have big plans for the future and former customers of ultraspeed.
Mysitehost: like what?
Paul L: not telling yet :) everybody will know soon
Mysitehost: Oh brother.

Well be careful if it's a buisness thing, not too many people will take this lightly and you could be killing yourselves in the process.
The maturity thing is going to start boiling up again.
Paul L: lol like burst is own by adults? they are kids to but I am not a kid.
Mysitehost: it doesn't matter with the kids thing other than just don't prove the fogies right.
Paul L: just wait and see what happens :)
Mysitehost: Well just tell me, I kept the buyout BS secret for 2 weeks. I can keep this secret too.
Paul L: nope
Mysitehost: I am trying to get a buisness started here and I need to know what to plan ahead for. If you are going to do something i'd like to know for my buisnesses personal safety.
Paul L: well all i can tell you is run like hell :) or just wait and see what happens.
Mysitehost: I DON"T WANT TO HAVE TO RUN LIKE HELL!!! I am not in a position to do that. Jeesus!

Just tell me what you plan to do damnit
Paul L: cant but it will all out in the morning
Mysitehost: Ok, I am posting something on the message boards then to discredit what you will be saying then. If you wont tell me what you are doing then I feel I am backed against a wall and I will fight like hell.
Mysitehost: It is up to you, do you want me to do that or not?
Paul L: i dont care what you post but dont shoot your self in the foot :)
Mysitehost: Dude, what the fsuck is going on? Tell me what you are doing,
Paul L: you will have to wait till morning like everybody
Mysitehost: No, I will know now, or your morning post will not be valid.
Mysitehost: You are making me choose a side here. I will be happy to make sure everyone prepares for what is to come with those you will try to bring down.
And then he basically tells me to fsuck myself and so on and so forth.


This whole thing is becomeing sickening.

Boo Hoo Boo Hoo :)

If you don't like me then don't be around me Jason.

You didn't teach me anything

I'm not EVEN going to dig up the old angen stuff where i was hardly getting paid anything for what I did.

Also you meantioned about being a USUSA customer... thats true and your a part of them, so go ask jordan or burst , we have nothing to do with USUSA anymore, or wasn't that apparent when I was forced to cut my losses and leave.....

I am just shocked at how greedy you have suddenly turned. That is all. You are not the Daniel I used to know.

Not in the least bit.

Originally posted by mysitehost

Just tell me what you plan to do damnit
Paul L: cant but it will all out in the morning
Mysitehost: Ok, I am posting something on the message boards then to discredit what you will be saying then. If you wont tell me what you are doing then I feel I am backed against a wall and I will fight like hell.
Mysitehost: It is up to you, do you want me to do that or not?
Paul L: i dont care what you post but dont shoot your self in the foot :)
Mysitehost: Dude, what the fsuck is going on? Tell me what you are doing,
Paul L: you will have to wait till morning like everybody
Mysitehost: No, I will know now, or your morning post will not be valid.
Mysitehost: You are making me choose a side here. I will be happy to make sure everyone prepares for what is to come with those you will try to bring down.
And then he basically tells me to fsuck myself and so on and so forth.



Wow dude...... and your bitching about us?

Maybe *gasp* its your attitude....
Geeze

Learn a little patience.

This whole thing brings new meaning to my signature at the bottom :p

No you must understand...
I AM A CUSTOMER OF ULTRASPEEDUSA I AM DIRECTLY INVOLVED HERE!!


what didn't you say?

Also

How exactly am I greedy when something is not told to someone because it might not be ready.. for all you know there's nothing there.

But like paul told you, wait. :)

Jason let me say this you made a threat to me and I don't like threats like I told you on icq you will have to wait to see what we do. I don't know why you would have to know what we do anyway seeing how your a customer of burstnet not of ours. Now to clear this up you asked what I would do if in your position my response was run like hell or wait to see what happens, that's what I would do but its everybody's choice to do as they please.

And its more than just a simple business venture if you really have to know. More details in the morning to everybody will be available.

[Edited by Paul L. on 02-02-2001 at 09:27 PM]

Patience? I have no patience when people start directly messing around with me.

taken out of context like that, sure it sounds like I am not being patient. But when you come down to Earth and realize that alot of people including me have put in a lot of time any money into their buisness, then insinuate that you are going to cause problems with burstNET and Ultraspeed, yeah I feel a need to get a little impatient. Out of worry, and conscern.

<< Paul L: lol like burst is own by adults? they are kids to but I am not a kid. >>

Let me make this very clear:
BurstNET™ is run by adults.

BurstNET™, prior to the Ultraspeed USA deal, had 7 full time employees, and 2 part time. All but two are on-site employees.
The youngest person is 18 years old, and that is Nick Koston (ala Cpanel fame). The next youngest is Ben Hunt (20 years old), who is late night tech support....after that it jumps all the way up to 25 years of age. The majority of BurstNET™ staff members are in their mid to late 20's. The oldest staff member is 47.

I think it is important to note also that BurstNET™ has been in business for slightly less than 10 years. I can safely assure you that we are as stable as they come for a hosting company.

Sean R.
BurstNET™

Yes yes :)

Paul wasn't fully aware of burst's situation... but it also doesn't have the best rep in town either :)

ANYHOW back to the subject :)

Thanks for Clarifying Shawn :)

You can't expect people to assume the best in situations like this. However, with how you worded your posts and messages to me, it led me to believe you two were going to do something very rash.

DOS attacks? A dirty secret, Starting a new buisness that will revolutionize hosting as we know it, buying out VDI to undercut Burst.net completely? who knows, giving me nothing to go by is not fun.

Especially with the current situation that is very volitile right now for everyone hosted by Burst and Ultraspeed.

Gentlemen,

(reposted from my original post at http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=5397 )

This is a gentle warning, but the only warning I will issue.

If you want to get into a slanging match, fine - but do it off the forum. I have absolutely no interest in watching public slanging matches and if forced to I will have absolutely no hesitation unleashing the full extent of the moderators' powers on all involved. I also have a few aces up my sleeve should anything go awry.

You have been duly warned; if you wish to engage in discussions do it in e-mail.

Thank you.

If the ante on this thread goes up a notch, this thread is closed. Period.

bang, crash, bing, ... wowow :D

But. But. But But But But.....

Aww alright Mr BC we'll be nice ;)

wow, what a thread. What ever happened to professionalism?

*plays a strain of R.E.M.'s "Bang and Blame"...

:)

TV? who needs TV!?! :D

Originally posted by Jag
wow, what a thread. What ever happened to professionalism?

Professionalism is best left to professionals.

I just missed a FULL HOUR of COPS due to this issue. I hope you are ALL happy!

*stomps up to room*

Originally posted by Chicken
I just missed a FULL HOUR of COPS due to this issue. I hope you are ALL happy!

*stomps up to room*

Cops shmops!! This is way better! :D

Originally posted by Chicken
I just missed a FULL HOUR of COPS due to this issue. I hope you are ALL happy!

*stomps up to room*

Hey, hey now.. It's not like you missed the Simpson's!
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Where is the Chicken Squad when it's needed the most? Shame...

Boris

Originally posted by BurstNET
<< Paul L: lol like burst is own by adults? they are kids to but I am not a kid. >>

Let me make this very clear:
BurstNET™ is run by adults.

BurstNET™, prior to the Ultraspeed USA deal, had 7 full time employees, and 2 part time. All but two are on-site employees.
The youngest person is 18 years old, and that is Nick Koston (ala Cpanel fame). The next youngest is Ben Hunt (20 years old), who is late night tech support....after that it jumps all the way up to 25 years of age. The majority of BurstNET™ staff members are in their mid to late 20's. The oldest staff member is 47.

I think it is important to note also that BurstNET™ has been in business for slightly less than 10 years. I can safely assure you that we are as stable as they come for a hosting company.

Sean R.
BurstNET™

Thank you for the info Sean. I am a new customer of yours since you bought UltraSpeed. At least for February. I am not a happy customer because I don't get the warm fuzzies. I and others have posted many questions here and on other forums. Can you address people's concerns please?

Are you guys aware that your customers are very very scared right now? You've got to calm us down. It may be too late.

If anyone else has an idea for alternatives to this soap opera, PLEASE, do tell!

Please contact us directly if you have anything you wish to discuss. We would be more than happy to answer questions regarding the situation, to Ultraspeed USA clients. We will be contacting UltraSpeed USA clients over the next few days, and letting them talk to BurstNET™ representatives on a one on one basis. We feel once they talk things over with us, any fears will subside, and they will welcome the buyout.
We are refraining from posting in the forums, and starting any flames, or arguements. We leared our lesson from the True Hosting buyout, and are acting in the best interests of current BurstNET™ clients, and our newly acquired clients.

I will state that BurstNET™ does actively pursue companies for buyout. We do not specifically target financially troubled or failing companies. It just happens that most of these companies are the ones that are able to be acquired at a price we are willing to pay. This is common practice amongst every industry, and "corporate takeovers" is a household word since the late 1980's. The majority of the webhosting companies that were founded in the mid 1990's were done so predominately by tech professionals.
BurstNET's™ founders were from the business/marketing world, and it just comes as second nature to us to acquire by takeover/buyout.

As far as BurstNET™ liability towards Ultraspeed USA liabilities and debts, you would need to speak to our administration. But from what I am told, we go in and buy assets of companies, not the company itself. (ie....just like you go to a bankruptcy sale of a company, and buy all their furniture). The company still exists, and any liabilities it has, which remain the property and responsibility of the company that is bought out.
Usually the company that is purchased either declares bankruptcy, or uses the funds from sales of assests to pay it's creditors (ie....liabilities and debts)...or both.

All too often people seem to forget that the webhosting industry is a business, and not a hobby. Failed companies and buyouts will occur as frequesntly in this industry, just as often as Walmart puts a corner grocery store out of business. It just need to be noted that this is a service industry, and it is imperative that the clients do not suffer from a buyout. If a web hosting company is having problems, it really is the best thing for the clients for that company to be bought out by a larger, more stable one.


Sean R.
BurstNET™

Sean,

I understand your point, but if you tell me something on the phone, like your predecessors have done, and then it doesn't come through, there's no real skin on the line.

If you say it here, you will have your skin on the line. The more of your skin I see on the line, the better I feel and the less I feel my skin on the line.

Like it or not, you bought a company in trouble. If you won't say stuff publicly to calm people down, you will lose customers. At least that's my feeling. Maybe tomorrow I'll feel different. Let's see what others have to say.

Please feel free to ask questions regarding service and support related matters. We would be happy to answer such questions, to calm any doubts you have.

The type of questions we will not be responding to are those that are related to;
a) reasons for the buyout
b) details of the agreement
c) accusations
d) defamation of character.
...for these have only lead to flames in the past, and we wish to avoid such for this latest transaction.

Just a small thing that will show you that we do have our clients' best interests at hand:
BurstNET™ took time out to personally go ahead and change ownership of all domains from True Hosting to their real owners, if the owners contacted us and gave us the necessary info (True Hosting registered the majority of domainnames in their own name, and not in the clients's name). We even did this for clients that cancelled service, and decided not to come over to BurstNET™ during that sale!


Warm Regards,
Sean R.
BurstNET™

OK great.

>>BurstNET™, prior to the Ultraspeed USA deal, had 7 full time employees, and 2 part time. All but two are on-site employees.
The youngest person is 18 years old, and that is Nick Koston (ala Cpanel fame). The next youngest is Ben Hunt (20 years old), who is late night tech support....after that it jumps all the way up to 25 years of age. The majority of BurstNET™ staff members are in their mid to late 20's. The oldest staff member is 47. <<

Jordan has been promising 24/7 support. Is this true? How many of the 7 employees are on support? Is there pager ability?

>>I think it is important to note also that BurstNET™ has been in business for slightly less than 10 years. I can safely assure you that we are as stable as they come for a hosting company. <<

Good to know. Are you related to that banner ad company or separate?

You've been doing webhosting the whole decade or something else?

Where are our servers physically located? Where are you physically located?

How does the backup system work?

Will the billing features promised long ago be happening?

What is Burst's primary role? You rent your servers from VDI? So you are just in the middle in the same way as US/US was? So your primary value added is support like USUS was?

Do you have a better relationship with VDI than US did?

Thanks.

Originally posted by BurstNET
Please feel free to ask questions regarding service and support related matters. We would be happy to answer such questions, to calm any doubts you have.

The type of questions we will not be responding to are those that are related to;
a) reasons for the buyout
b) details of the agreement
c) accusations
d) defamation of character.
...for these have only lead to flames in the past, and we wish to avoid such for this latest transaction.

Just a small thing that will show you that we do have our clients' best interests at hand:
BurstNET™ took time out to personally go ahead and change ownership of all domains from True Hosting to their real owners, if the owners contacted us and gave us the necessary info (True Hosting registered the majority of domainnames in their own name, and not in the clients's name). We even did this for clients that cancelled service, and decided not to come over to BurstNET™ during that sale!


Warm Regards,
Sean R.
BurstNET™







This is exactly the BS I've been talking about. Just like with truehosting, you claim this: "Just a small thing that will show you that we do have our clients' best interests at hand:" But, just like with truehosting, you claim no responsibility or liability for anything the company owes to it's employee's or customers. I.e., refunds, credits, bills, etc. Spare us this buyout and coporation BS, I'll be more e than happy to speak to your legal representative(s) regarding the law. This I know, maybe I can enlighten you. In the meantime, keep laughing up and shrugging off everything and mock people. I guarantee you'll end up burying yourself.
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