Please Help!
I'm not sure what to expect with the recent acquisition between burst.net and Ultraspeed. I'm currently with UltraSpeed and have about 250 customers. What should I do any advice would be greatly appreciated. Any recommendations as to who is equal to UltraSpeed price and service.
Thanks

Just wait and see.

burst.net :)

Here's a tip...try finding a company run by adults. Yes I know you'll all flame me and tell me how mature you are becuase you've been playing with computers since you were in diapers. Go ahead I don't care. But the fact remains that this little issue is the direct outshoot of the lack of maturity on the part of Jordan and Daniel.

There are plenty of companies out there.

Good Luck!

[Edited by Nashoba on 02-02-2001 at 08:18 PM]

So, hypocrytical are we?

You do not judge a company simply by the magerial staffs age. We have established this hundreds of times. Obviously, as is apparent here, the short fall of being older is that you are afraid to learn anything new, and afraid of change.

That is why many e-buisnesses are closing down. You can't grasp the fast paced thinking and doing that the internet requires.

So, if you want an age war, then thats your shortfall right there for being older.

I am 21, I will work hard to not become an a-typical 40 year old. I know what happens to people who try to run a buisness on the internet like an a-typical 40 year old with old world corporate logic and beliefs. It just doesn't work.

Ahem :)
The only reason i exited the company was due to the irresponsibility of my 16 year old partner putting the company into a very bad position giving me no other choice but to leave or else face the possibility of having 80% of the customers sue me personally due to USUSA only being a SP I was 100% responsible for the clients etc.

BUT Anyhow......

Originally posted by mysitehost
So, hypocrytical are we?

You do not judge a company simply by the magerial staffs age.

You're the one bringing up age. I did not mention age at all, I said "lack of maturity" . Take it how you want. And how exactly am I being hypocritical? Because I said that these problems were caused by lack of maturity? In my opinion they were. And my advise to anyone looking for any kind of company is go with a company run by responsible mature adults.

#1 adults = 18 or older
#2 you were immature for posting such a message when it is not needed, or welcome.
#3 You knew it was not a welcome post, otherwise you wouldn't have had to put in the "I know i'll get flamed for this.." sentance.
#4 Arguing age is mutt when it comes to important matters such is what is offered, for how much, your future options, and the current practices that the buisenss has as a whole. Age/Maturity does not matter when it comes to this.


[Edited by mysitehost on 02-02-2001 at 11:19 PM]

I will say I agree with the age/maturity thing. However it is sircumstantial. And dependant upon the person.

The current situation right now? I will agree with it. However only with two ceartain individuals.

Originally posted by mysitehost
#1 adults = 18 or older

You're clever. How long did it take you to figure that one out? Here's the problem with doing business with children: they're children. Do you get this? Maybe not. Ok you'll probably understand this better. Children = 17 or younger = can't enter into a legal contract = if they screw you there is nothing you can do = you should've gone with a company run by mature adults. Got it?

#2 you were immature for posting such a message when it is not needed, or welcome.

No my first post wasn't immature but this one sure is isn't?


#3 You knew it was not a welcome post, otherwise you wouldn't have had to put in the "I know i'll get flamed for this.." sentance.

The reason that I added that was because I knew someone like you would take personal offense. And you did. And thank you for proving my point.


#4 Arguing age is mutt when it comes to important matters such is what is offered, for how much, your future options, and the current practices that the buisenss has as a whole. Age/Maturity does not matter when it comes to this. As it would be self inclusive.


Point #4 just makes me believe that you are totally deranged. Of course when it comes to business matters age and maturity matters. It's a fact of life. One day you'll understand that it doesn't matter what the price and features are if the company is run by children.

Ladies and gentlemen,

(reposted from my original post at http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=5397 )

This is a gentle warning, but the only warning I will issue.

If you want to get into a slanging match, fine - but do it off the forum. I have absolutely no interest in watching public slanging matches and if forced to I will have absolutely no hesitation unleashing the full extent of the moderators' powers on all involved. I also have a few aces up my sleeve should anything go awry.

The age issue has been raised before (and we went to 6 pages on it).

You have been duly warned; if you wish to engage in discussions do it in e-mail.

Thank you.

If the ante on this thread goes up a notch, this thread is closed. Period.

Everyone has had their highs and lows, as far as I have been able to surmise the last 5 weeks, there has been a lot of improvements at Burst.net

Tech support is much better. Pricing has gotten better, and overall QOS seems to have leveled out a bit, not so spikey as it used to be. (From what I have been able to gather from each and every post I have read on burst.net)

There may be some slight changes in this situation, but thats just what happens when you integrate another buisness.

I do not think anything drastic will change.

mysitehost: This has nothing to do with age, and no matter how many times you twist it, that wasn't what was said. It absolutely has everything to do with maturity levels. You may be an adult, age-wise, but watching this, I'd never in a lifetime choose you as a host. Your posts are pretty much incoherent, and you have just jumped down the throat of someone making a very salient point. You've also proven that point beyond a doubt. Telling someone they're "not welcome" isn't your role. Everyone's opinion is valid here, or have you declared yourself to be the owner of all that is right and true? If that's the case, you'll be in a lonely little fiefdom.

Sorry, BC, but you've also missed it. This is not about age, no matter how many pages it went before. It's about the dangers of doing business with people who aren't as mature in a business sense as others. All those people that left Alabanza to go to UltraspeedUSA are left holding the bag in this one, since they probably went there because of Daniel. Due to some sort of spat, they're left in a very precarious position.

SickOfAds...... The announcement tomorrow should clear most of that up :)...

You didn't read a lick of what I was saying otherwise you wouldn't have had to say anything.

Age/Maturity complaints and arguements are not welcome here as is aparent by the post from BC above. I simply stated that, that kind of topic has been talked to the death and it is not welcome here any longer.

I did not say that HE wasn't welcome here!

I suggest this thread gets locked because I am sure there will be a response to this.

Originally posted by mysitehost
Age/Maturity complaints and arguements are not welcome here as is aparent by the post from BC above. I simply stated that, that kind of topic has been talked to the death and it is not welcome here any longer.


Things like maturity, professionalism, and responsibility, ALL certainly do belong in discussions about choosing a host. And if you don't think so just look at the number of hosting companies being run by immature, irresponsible people, some whos only purpose is to rip off as many people as they can. GX Hosting is a big one that comes to mind. And to compound this issue many of these happen to be run by teenagers that are not able to enter into a legal contract. How can you or BC say that these types of discucssions have no place here? Especially since this very issue seems to be one of the biggest problems in the web hosting industry. This board, I thought, was intended to help people choose a good host. Some of those considerations should be are you dealing with a company that is run by mature professionals and are these people of legal age to enter into a contract. These points are valid.

Originally posted by mysitehost
You didn't read a lick of what I was saying otherwise you wouldn't have had to say anything.

Age/Maturity complaints and arguements are not welcome here as is aparent by the post from BC above. I simply stated that, that kind of topic has been talked to the death and it is not welcome here any longer.

I did not say that HE wasn't welcome here!

I suggest this thread gets locked because I am sure there will be a response to this.



I read every word of what you wrote, in fact, trying to "get a grip" on what exactly you were trying to say besides "age doesn't matter", when no one but you brought up age in the first place, and "older people are just stuck in their ways", making you just as guilty of the stereotyping you're complaining about, when no one but you brought up age in the first place. So stop making yourself look like an immature punk and pay attention:

IT MATTERS!

If you cannot express yourself in a halfway-coherent manner and if you can't even be bothered to understand where others are coming from when they post - or worse, can't be bothered to actually read something through before flaming out a comment on it - then how do you expect anyone to take you seriously as a businessperson?

The age issue has been discussed to death, but this is not about age. It's about finding a host that is actually responsible enough to treat their customers like human beings instead of slabs of meat or a way to make a quick buck. Do you want to be the next True Hosting? GX Hosting? They were definitely not the mature types with whom one would want to do business. You're putting yourself into that category with every single post you make.

Friggin' HERE, HERE! Cheers! :-)

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Professionalism and Responsibility are the only virtues that matter in regards to what you continue to call maturity. Maturity, which is simply a cop out way of blaming age for all the problems, can matter to some people. Thats fine, just don't bring it here.

Maturity when talking about someone running a server is all opinionated, where as Professionalism and Responsibility can be seen by the actions of the company.

In fact, lets do a comprimise, you can continue to blame maturity (age) for all the problems, and we will continue to hear these opinons with the understand that it's merely an opinion. One that does not necesarily reflect the opinons of others, and/or the truth/proof behind such opinions.

This is fun stuff...As one of those who started a company as a kid, I can vouch for those who say companies run by kids are at certain disadvantages. I've met 13 yr olds who are better admins than 35 yr olds - but I can almost guarantee a 13 yr old doesn't have the business experience to run companies with some of the $$$'s hosts are making. Not many 13 yr old whiz kids with computer skills and the saavy to set up a corporate entity that adheres to the mind numbing list of rules. Management skills are not something most of us have at 13,18, or even in our 20's. It's developed skills that comes from working for and over others. I think the younger members here may take some of these posts as an attack on their computer skill - they are not, business is far, far more than your 3lit3 skillz.
When you sell your company your books better be straight or you'll be pretty disappointed by the bottom line figure. Not aimed at anyone in particular - and if you are the George Burns here - the exception to the rule - I apologize..this is all, as always, in general

Originally posted by marksy
When you sell your company your books better be straight or you'll be pretty disappointed by the bottom line figure

No they don't need to worry about silly things like accounting. When things start falling apart and they realize they're in over their heads they can just call up Burst, who will buy anyone out.

Originally posted by mysitehost
Professionalism and Responsibility are the only virtues that matter in regards to what you continue to call maturity. Maturity, which is simply a cop out way of blaming age for all the problems, can matter to some people. Thats fine, just don't bring it here.

Maturity when talking about someone running a server is all opinionated, where as Professionalism and Responsibility can be seen by the actions of the company.

In fact, lets do a comprimise, you can continue to blame maturity (age) for all the problems, and we will continue to hear these opinons with the understand that it's merely an opinion. One that does not necesarily reflect the opinons of others, and/or the truth/proof behind such opinions.




You really don't get it do you? You were and are the only one going on about age. What I am talking about is the maturity that it takes to run a business. And the fact you see this as an attack on your server running skills proves my point even more. As Marksy said there's a whole lot more than just knowing how to keep a server running.

I don't understand your logic one bit. You tend to assume a lot too.

I get it more than you know. For one thing you have no idea what I am talking about. Otherwise you wouldn't have to keep on about this. It makes no sence wasting more time with this issue as you will continue to see what you want to see, and believe what you want to believe.

Nuff Said.

The fact that you are unable to make these distinctions tells everyone a lot more about you than you'd probably like.

:rolleyes: Oh dear, I knew it would get mis-interpreted. D'oh!

The fact I stated there was a thread on age before (and went to 6 pages) doesn't mean I abhor discussions on age. I was simply stating a fact, so please leave it at that. Apologies if you took it the wrong way.

Originally posted by OnlinePromoter.com
Please Help!
I'm not sure what to expect with the recent acquisition between burst.net and Ultraspeed. I'm currently with UltraSpeed and have about 250 customers. What should I do any advice would be greatly appreciated. Any recommendations as to who is equal to UltraSpeed price and service.
Thanks

If anyone wants to respond to the original question, please do so here:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=5431

This is a reposting since this has traveled too far off the trail...