Neo3 Media Inc. is now taking pre-orders for our upcoming control panel NeoPanel.

You can view information by visiting our site.

If you pre-order you will get a cheaper price then when the software is released.

Thank You
http://neo3media.com

Whats the pricing i can t seem to find it anywhere.

well I click on the pre order and it takes me to the screen shot window where at the bottom it says order thru your partner site I click that link and it takes me to another site that has a notice up saying it is down.

If the panel doesn't work better than the order system you are in trouble:D

Pricing is up to our partners. Optic Five I beleive will be selling pre-orders for $150. After the control panel comes out, they will be selling lisences for $350 each.

They will be ready tommorow. They were having some problems with their billing system.

Thanks

Is there an upgrade system from other panels????

Also, are those sthe stock themes? They just don't seem that good looking :D

Are these pre-orders like HostGUI preorders?

:D

I wouldn't order until I saw a working product, as for what I have seen so far, there is more in the SimpleCP that I have seen offered for free (simply because screenshots are nothing, especially ones with broken images like the NeoPanel page has)


From website:
Our fully developed and fully featured web hosting control panel is ready to be put to use. We have tested and put every feature that can be thought of into this easy to use system.

Then let us see it if it is ready for use.

Any Demo?

I think most of us would have trouble buying into presales of an item thats been in development for ~3 months without seeing an actual demo.

HostGUI has the vaporware market all tapped out from what i can see :D.

Yep,

I just visited the HostGUI site, there are people there talking about how good it will be because of all the "hype", I can't believe people fall for such marketing.

I hope NeoPanel is for real, I think a cheaper panel is long overdue.

Originally posted by amd_duron
Yep,

I just visited the HostGUI site, there are people there talking about how good it will be because of all the "hype", I can't believe people fall for such marketing.

I hope NeoPanel is for real, I think a cheaper panel is long overdue.

His pricing wasn't that impressive. All i can say is if he pulls it off, june 4 runs around and theres a fully functional panel with all the fixin's, then that will lead people to say "i can develop a huge money making panel in 4-5 months" and we might as well get a market swarmed with them, wouldn't that be something to see :D. But from the pricing, $150 preorder, and $350 afterwards :eek: thats not very impressive if you ask me, ensim is loads cheaper.

But I don't like Ensim.

And it isn't loads cheaper if it can host more domains, but for me, I only do 20 per server, so I am really stuck between a rock and a hard place on these CP's, they are all so expensive.

Now I think I should shut up, because this is the Ad section, not the CP section.

Originally posted by amd_duron
But I don't like Ensim.

And it isn't loads cheaper if it can host more domains, but for me, I only do 20 per server, so I am really stuck between a rock and a hard place on these CP's, they are all so expensive.

Now I think I should shut up, because this is the Ad section, not the CP section.

You looked at their new pricing? its around $99 for 100 domains i think, pretty cheap =)

Looks like an interesting project :) But yes, it takes a lot from a first release to a good control panel.

Originally posted by The Prohacker
Is there an upgrade system from other panels????

Also, are those sthe stock themes? They just don't seem that good looking :D

Neo is right, we are selling pre-orders for $150.

We are trying our best to get our new site online tonight and our billing system (for NeoPanel) so we can take orders.

Yes, those are the stock themes. I am sure there will be more available before the release. It is also very easy to skin yourself. easy to skin yourself.

porcupine,

No, there is not a demo online yet. This is something they are working on. You might want to check out their forum.

.

I would like information on becomming a partner able to sell these licenses...

Please contact me about this if it is possible.
Thanks,
Mike.

The official neopanel site will be up in a few days.

http://neopanel.com
http://neopanel.net

We will list a large list of features as well as information to becoming a partner.

On their you will see more information about themes.

We will have more themes. Before release.

So check back at our main site and at neopanel.com for information.

If you are instrested in becoming a partner, please email me at info@neo3media.com


Thank You.

Looks like a promising CP, though as stated by others, I personally woudn't invest a dime unless I had seen a working demo and a full list of features.

We understand this. We are trying to get a demo up however it is not likely. The neopanel site will have a lot of information as stated.

Thanks

Do you have a set date on the demo? I need the panel quite urgently. However, I will not buy it unless I see a demo. After all, anyone can just post feature list. (no offensive to the HostGUI team), HostGUI also had screenshots, a large list of features, and an active forum, and it has been in development for over a year. I find it hard to justify the risk involved for a panel that has been in development for just 3 months unless you post a demo.

Thanks,

Peter

We understand.

We are trying very hard to get a demo very soon.

More Information Will Be Posted

Thank You

I must say I'm very intrested in this panel as I've had my guts full with Ensim (they dared to call LS 3.1 an update with all the obselete software included) so I'd like to ask a few more questions...

1. When would pre-orders be fulfilled
2. What is the policy on updates to newer versions (i.e. would they be free for exhisting customers or would there be fees and in what order would these fees be...)
3. How easy is it to update software like PHP, perl, etc. with this panel (are we talking CPanel easy or Ensim impossible)
4. Any idea how this panel's security compares to that of other control panels?
5. Will this control panel be easy to uninstall should it be necessary (I ask as I just had to do a system restore to update to Ensim LS 3.1 and lost a load of data in the process)
6. From looking at the screenshots it looks like you can mangage multiple servers from one location. How much of a resource hog would this control panel be if run on a single server?
7. Until when is the $150 pre-order deal valid?
8. When would payment of the pre-order deal be due (i.e. at sign-up or when the panel is actually launched)?

I'm sure I'll come up with a lot more questions, but I can't wait for the demo and the spec list...

1. When would pre-orders be fulfilled
When the panel is released. Expected Release is July 12th.
2. What is the policy on updates to newer versions (i.e. would they be free for exhisting customers or would there be fees and in what order would these fees be...)
Free Updates for existing customers.
3. How easy is it to update software like PHP, perl, etc. with this panel (are we talking CPanel easy or Ensim impossible)
Cpanel Easy.
4. Any idea how this panel's security compares to that of other control panels?
Security is very strong in this panel. It surpasses cpanel by far.
5. Will this control panel be easy to uninstall should it be necessary (I ask as I just had to do a system restore to update to Ensim LS 3.1 and lost a load of data in the process)
Uninstall and install is very easy. And should not be a problem.
6. From looking at the screenshots it looks like you can mangage multiple servers from one location. How much of a resource hog would this control panel be if run on a single server?
Not very, its designed to run on single servers easily just as it can be on multiple servers.
7. Until when is the $150 pre-order deal valid?
When it is released the $150 is invalid.
8. When would payment of the pre-order deal be due (i.e. at sign-up or when the panel is actually launched)?
When you signup.

Thank You

Will the demo and additional information be out before the pre-order date? Also, what is your policy if you happen to not meet the release deadline? (do you refund money, or just keep them?)

Peter

I think theres one question noones adressed yet,

whats the policy on money back, satisfaction guarantee's, etc. What happens if someone buys the panel and since it's never been seen, tested, etc. it turns out to be a total flop, thats to protect them from investing in a lemon?

Hate to ask it, but someone had to.

I just finished talking with the developers.

A Demo Will be released before the pre-orders end.

This should answer some of your questions.

Thank You

Who are your developers btw?

I PM'd you the other day about this and even after you confirmed you used our HostGUI screenshot to make your own you still have not removed or altered anything. So let the people judge for themselves.

Do a side by side comparison of:
http://neo3media.com/admin/admin.htm
and
http://hostgui.com/demo/admin/


===============
HostGUI
===============
Server
Server summary
Server status
Server processes
MySql processes
Server admins
Change MySql root password
Change HostGUI password
Change server root password
List blocked IP's
Block an IP
Add/Edit/Delete DNS Zone
Create an SSL certificate CSR
Install an SSL certificate
Install a module
phpMyAdmin

Config
Server configuration
Security configuration
Anonymous FTP configuration
Email configuration
Billing configuration
Support configuration
Instant signup configuration

Clients
SignUp Now
View new signups
View pending signups
Manage clients
Search clients
Mass mail clients
Suspended Sites
Bandwidth summary
Disk space summary



===============
Neopanel
===============
Server Config
Server Stats
Server processes
Server admins
Password Management
Block/Unblock IP
Add/Edit/Delete DNS Zone
Create an SSL certificate CSR
Install an SSL certificate
Install a apache module

Panel config
Email configuration
Billing configuration
Support configuration
Sign-Up Settings
Server config
Security config

Client config
Email All Clients
Bandwidth summary
Disk space summary
Setup New Client
View new signups
View pending signups
Search clients
Suspended Sites


From having the uptime on the side to the entire center content area its near a direct clone. At least you could have been more creative with your design. How much thought went into this thing if you weren't able to even come up with an original admin theme? It looks like all you did was make a slightly different theme for HostGUI.

tsk tsk

This control panel seems like a piece of sh*t based soley on that the guy stole the design from HostGUI and later changed it really fast to something really crappy. How can I trust you to code a control panel when you can't even create a button?

I wonder how good this code can be, when they are "so close" to a release date, yet they lift another control panel's look. They changed the images and layout real quick, I see. Anyway, good question. How good can this code be, if they have to use example demo examples from another control panel, just to try and get people interested. This seems very unlikely that this is going to come together that soon, if at all. I base my assumption on the above facts. It just doesn't seem possible they'd do that, if they were indeed this close. I wonder what they built the code from? That should be interesting.

And, the comment about it being "far more secure than Cpanel". Really? Just out of curiosity, what in Cpanel is so insecure? You said this and if you say this, you must know of some major things wrong with Cpanel. So, what is it? So, do share them with us. PM me, I won't tell anyone, as too many people would have too much to loose that I know. I am betting you're just pushing something you are throwing together, by the looks of it. I don't see how this could go anywhere. With HostGUI, I saw code, I know it's original and will be out, but this, using someone else's design even. How do you imagine this guy would suddenly be offering the same features after copying the "list" of them from a HostGUI demo? I don't see these features being suddenly implemented that fast, it's not possible. I have to conclude that this entire thread and product, including the domain names, is just a hoax posted out of some twisted sense of humor or just to open people up to being upset.

Originally posted by Jag
. . . . . . . . . Do a side by side comparison of:
http://neo3media.com/admin/admin.htm
and
http://hostgui.com/demo/admin/. . . . . . . . . I noticed similarities before I saw any pictures of either product.

Didn't realise they copied a load of their current stuff from HostGUI. Hope this will be explained as it should be. Damn it, I really want to get rid of Ensim, yet I need an affordable alternative. Plesk would be ok, but if this panel offers what they claim it does, it would be better.

Also intrested on the answer about the refunds should somebody pre-order and then receive something that is totally sub-standard.

I would go for HostGUI, but it's too pricey for me, a mere student that won't use the product commercially.

As I said when the neopanel product site is up all your questions will be answered. Please be patient.

We did use HostGUI's screenshot as a reference however, the designs of the panels are different. The only thing that is the same is the text in the center which are common features.

We are developing many more themes.

Jag did PM me and we did remove the information from our site. Jag if you take a look at the site the link is gone. We however, did remove the entire folder now. Sorry for any problems this caused.

Cpanel has a very bad backend system (WHM) or that is what I think you may disagree, and there are many bugs in it such as quota

Cpanel did originally have some security holes in earlier versions that were fixed. This is what I was referring to. NeoPanel will not be buggy and it has been fully tested and still is being tested.

As for the fact that you may beleive NeoPanel is crap, I am sorry you feel this way, however when neopanel is released you will be proven wrong. And if you still think its crap don't buy it.

Our company plan is to bring a high quality affordable control panel to the hosting community and we will do so.

When the neopanel site is completed you will see information on refunds and that we will have a 15 Money Back Policy.

Please if you have any questions, either wait till neopanel's site is completed or post them on our message board. http://neo3media.com/forum

Thank You

Correct me if i'm wrong, but you say CPanel had a load of bugs, and you're implying as a lack of beta testing, but you state that it wont be a problem for your panel, first off, CPanel has been around for a long long time, and they do updates almost daily, secondly, if your product has so much more beta testing, how is that? I was informed your panel has been under development for approximately 3 months, that doesen't leave much time for testing.

NeoPanel was programmed right the first time around so there wasn't much need of so much testing. NeoPanel will be able to have updates done daily if need be.

Testing for neopanel is being done in the time needed.

Please do not question neopanel's reliability until you have used it.

Thank You

Originally posted by Neo3Net
We did use HostGUI's screenshot as a reference ...

:eek: I'm sorry... but what?

Why would you use HostGUI's screenshots 'as a reference' to your own product?

I don't question the reliability of Neopanel, but I would question the reliability of your business practices.

Originally posted by Neo3Net
NeoPanel was programmed right the first time around so there wasn't much need of so much testing. NeoPanel will be able to have updates done daily if need be.

Testing for neopanel is being done in the time needed.

Please do not question neopanel's reliability until you have used it.

Thank You

Thats the biggest crock i've ever heard, "NeoPanel was programmed right the first time around". What type of certifications do your developers have, and how many programmers are working on NeoPanel. Do you think *anyone* develops software and doesen't do it the way they feel is right? I mean get a grip. I myself am a software developer, and i dont know ANYONE with the lack of common sense to claim there isn't as much need for testing because you developed it, thats a reason to give it *MORE* testing. Do you claim "i wrote my paper correctly, so i never bothered to spell check, or have someone read it over"? I certainly dont know anyone who would be so foolish.

I really hate to do this again, but you kinda stuck your foot in it x213, and somehow i can see neopanel having the same results as your last venture with kingcomp :eek:, as these business practises wont make you any friends.

Reference meaning that we looked there to see what the competition has included that into our product and added our own special features that make ours more powerful.

How is this doing bad buisness?

Thanks

Originally posted by Neo3Net
Reference meaning that we looked there to see what the competition has included that into our product and added our own special features that make ours more powerful.

How is this doing bad buisness?

Thanks

Making claims of competetors that you cant really proove, claiming your product, with 1/100 of the development time, qualified staff, amount of personell, etc. is better then all of the competetors.

You've put what, 3 months of development into a panel while reselling servers for kingcomp, and you make claims that it's better then other multi-million dollar panels, has more features, no security, etc. but have nothing to back this up.

And then you blatently use hostgui to rip off a demo screenshot, etc.

It's just not good business, btw, where do you look up incorporations on the web, anyone? Because somehow i really doubt theres any entry for "neo 3 media inc." :rolleyes:.

Originally posted by Neo3Net
NeoPanel was programmed right the first time around so there wasn't much need of so much testing. NeoPanel will be able to have updates done daily if need be.

Testing for neopanel is being done in the time needed.

Please do not question neopanel's reliability until you have used it.

Thank You

That statement alone scares the heck out of me. How much programing have you guys done? Who is your development team? If they are beta testing it now why not a demo? Who were the beta testers? In my experience you never know what is going to break until it is in users hands, the last people that should be beta testing is the development team. They are only going to use it as they wrote it, users will find new and creative ways to crash it. But hey if they are good enough to write native code in 3 months for an entire control panel and get it right the first time I want to hire them to create a new windows OS for me.

I have been programming for over 20 years and I have yet to see it right the first time and not need testing.

Just my .02 cents

Monte

Milo, I must say that if you do not like neopanel please do not buy it.

I think you are very immature. You just like to jump on everything.

Please do not make conclusions about our practices.

What has happened in the past should not affect what our future holds. x213 and Neo3 Media are two very different companies, for one thing, I am not the owner of Neo3 Media.

Please do not spread things about us if you do not know what you are talking about.

Thank You

I never said that "Testing is not needed" you are putting words into my mouth.

I said that if you have good programmers who do good work and can double check as they go. There is no need for 1 year of testing. I assure you that this will all be settled on release of the product.

A demo is not up because people like the people on this message board will pick at everything and find things that are wrong. When we are ready we will release a demo.

We have a team of 5 developers who are doing a wonderful job.

Thank You

Originally posted by Neo3Net
How is this doing bad buisness?

So you think you're doing 'good' business?

well...

1) Disregarding copyright and intellectual property laws
2) Thinking that using HostGUI's screenshots for your own product was a good idea (logically, this doesn't work out as being good business)
3) Being the creative business that thinks up the features to its own products (sarcasm)
4) Thinking that such a software doesn't need 'so much testing' is just extraordinary as a web developer myself
5) Will list some more but I'd rather save myself the couple seconds

g'luck

It's just not good business, btw, where do you look up incorporations on the web, anyone? Because somehow i really doubt theres any entry for "neo 3 media inc."

You should double check that one Milo. We are Incorporated in New York State.

Thank You

Originally posted by Neo3Net
Milo, I must say that if you do not like neopanel please do not buy it.

I think you are very immature. You just like to jump on everything.

Please do not make conclusions about our practices.

What has happened in the past should not affect what our future holds. x213 and Neo3 Media are two very different companies, for one thing, I am not the owner of Neo3 Media.

Please do not spread things about us if you do not know what you are talking about.

Thank You

I think what happened in the past shold affect what your future holds. Anyone who had dealt with x213 would too, because it is my understanding that he failed to pay his bill to kingcomp and left numerous people to have their servers unplugged without notice then attempted to continue billing them. And this directly ties in to neo3 media because a control panel that you pledge to support is a lot of work, and a lot of responsibility, which x213 (at what? 13 years old) has already prooven he is not ready to take on. How else could it be said without being offensive? I dont see whats so immature about this at all, whatever you do wrong may always come back to bite you in the buttox, and it looks like it just did.

BTW, its Myles, not Milo, and yes, i'll check up on that incorporation, i said that because you used to claim x213networks was incorporated, and it was not, are you more concerned about being sued over this venture? :eek:

3) Being the creative business that thinks up the features to its own products (sarcasm)

Are you seriously telling me this?

You are a programmer right?

So are you saying that when you program a ticket system you don't include a submit ticket link because its copying someone.

The features that we "copied" were basic/standard features. Please do not preach that its copying when the features were standard.

Thank You

Originally posted by Neo3Net
A demo is not up because people like the people on this message board will pick at everything and find things that are wrong.

I would have thought that 'finding things that are wrong' would be a way of having the chance to improve your product?

I'm sorry if you think that the comments and questions of your product are 'immature' - I think that a product is only as good as the provider of the product.

Sorry Myles

I didn't mean to get your name wrong.

Listen, I am 15 years old. As I said I do not own Neo3 Media Inc.

x213 Networks was never listed as an incorporation. Double check on that one too.

I am not worried about being sued.

Thank You

Originally posted by Neo3Net


Are you seriously telling me this?

You are a programmer right?

So are you saying that when you program a ticket system you don't include a submit ticket link because its copying someone.

The features that we "copied" were basic/standard features. Please do not preach that its copying when the features were standard.

Thank You

And i guess copying and pasting someones website on their hosting plans would be acceptable since they're all standard features nowdays too. Using a page as a reference is one thing (like for example, i used several pages as references when writing our AUP/TOS, try to tell which ones), but you blatently STOLE hostgui's, blatent copy and paste, the whole 9 yards. Reference and plagerism (sp) are quite different :angry:.

Originally posted by Neo3Net


Are you seriously telling me this?

You are a programmer right?

So are you saying that when you program a ticket system you don't include a submit ticket link because its copying someone.

The features that we "copied" were basic/standard features. Please do not preach that its copying when the features were standard.

Thank You

A reliabile software company would start everything from scratch - design a flow chart of the actual software - think as an end user for the software and add in features that are necessary and helpful. A respectable software company does not start off at a competitor's place of business, copy down their ideas and add on new features - well, at least these businesses wouldn't ADMIT that they've used a competitor's product as a 'reference'.

Anyways, shouldn't you be giving HostGUI credit since you used their features as a reference for your own product?

and why only focus on one of my four points?

How old is your development team?

Anyone that sends you $150.00 for this vaporware has got to be out of their mind.

Originally posted by Neo3Net
Sorry Myles

I didn't mean to get your name wrong.

Listen, I am 15 years old. As I said I do not own Neo3 Media Inc.

x213 Networks was never listed as an incorporation. Double check on that one too.

I am not worried about being sued.

Thank You

Gah, posting too fast,

1. Age was close, what can i say
2. Of course you don't own Neo3 Media Inc, you're not old enough to last i checked
3. You were claiming x213 networks was a subsidary of an incorporation i believe it was, when that was investigated, it turned out to be your fathers company, which did something with wrist watches or somthing of that nature if i remember correctly.
4. If i were you, i would be worried about being sued when making such claims about multi-million dollar products in such a narrow field, and claiming so much about your product, where someone might buy 100 copies, then want their money back in 30 days when nothing works properly.

Me is glad me keeps coming back to this topic. Me will stay well away from this product now. When is HostGUI being released? Maybe I can scrape together the cash for it...

Don't you kids have lives? I mean, over the past few days I've read (seriously, well maybe not:D) millions of posts stating hosting/software companies are being run by 13-15 year old kids! That's insane, you're not even old enough to drive at that age.

Go get some friends and have some fun before it's too late, you'll regret it. Do well in school, your whole life and future depends on it. Do business later.

:crap:

btw, have you noticed how in almost 99% of these kinds of posts where some kid tries to sell something, and it always turns into a flame war shrouded by lies and what not?

Makes ya wonder what their products/services are like...:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Tazzman
Me is glad me keeps coming back to this topic. Me will stay well away from this product now. When is HostGUI being released? Maybe I can scrape together the cash for it...

Hostgui was "due out" initially (they claim estimated) in the first quarter of 2002 :(, who knows if it'll ever make it out hehe

Please do not talk about things that you have no idea about.

I am a High Honors Student and am president on student council.

I have many friends and play lacrosse and am on a divsion 1 soccer team. I play for LIJS (Long Island Junior Soccer)

Our product will be a success. You will see very soon.

I am not asking any of you to buy it if you don't want to. But when you see the demo you will see that you are all wrong.

HostGUI might never be released. And I doubt that having an "idea" for a control panel counts as IN DEVELOPMENT. (Jag stated he had the idea for over a year)

However, this is off the subject.

I am honest about this because as a member of WHT for quite a while I noticed that being honest is the best thing to do.

If you want me to lie..."I was just kidding, we didn't get our basic features from HostGUI"

Get Real People.

If you don't want to pre-order. You don't have to.

I thank you for all your comments and everything that you have said however, I am not forcing you to do anything. The final product will be enough to show you your actions were wrong.

Please do not flame anymore because it is really not doing anything.


Thanks Again

I'm thrilled you still can't figure out how to type my name, although it appears on every post i make. I don't "like to jump on everything" but your post was just too absurd not to throw something in.

We've already established you're not the owner of neo3 media, two or ten times. And yes, they may be "different companies" but "what happened in the past should not affect our future", where do you get this?

Your dealings with kingcomp and all those resold customers Wasn't even 3 months ago, why shouldn't your reputation be held accountable for your actions?! If i'm spreading things that are incorrect, please, update me, i go on what im told, and when i have customers that come to me going "i was with x213, but then my server was unplugged but he tried to bill me even after it was gone " it seems pretty clear what happened.

Your claims that we should just disregard what you've done in the past is totally absurd, if you really believed that, you wouldn't be changing nicknames for what? the third time now? :eek: You screwd people then ducked and signed on with a new nickname, and you expect no confrontation when people find out, i cant even begin to describe how offensive that is :rolleyes: but maybe some of your customers who got cut off could.

Well, ok, I will give this product the benefit of doubt and patiently wait for a glimps of the demo. I'm sure everybody here will want to see it and it will be discussed for what it is...

If you are going to offer a 15 day money back guarentee, there shouldn't be a problem anyway, as it gives some time to test the panel out. I know Hostgui has been in development a long time, but didn't they just recently decide to throw everything through the window and start basicly from scratch with a new team? I could be wrong about this, but I though I read something down this road. Who's to say they can't put together a decent product in 3 months. Stranger things have happened on this planet.

I still find it strange that you would charge a one time fee and nothing more for future updates and new versions though. You'd probably be the first commercial CP to use this business model.

And if honesty is your policy, you won't mind posting the development team for the CP and their experience, I'm sure that would get some of the heat of your back. Just a suggestion. How does that saying go... guilty until proven innocent... wait, that doesn't sound right :blush:

What has happened in the past was under my management. I did mess up and I regret it. However, Neo3 Media Inc. has nothing to do with x213. No one who worked for x213 works for Neo3 Media now except for me.

I am sorry you can't learn to drop things but I guess it will eventually come. When the SOFTWARE comes out it then you can rag on it. (If Need Be, which I highly doubt possible)

I only changed my name on these boards once. Went from x213Networks to Neo3Net. This was because of the company change.

The reason those customers left was because their was a misunderstanding between me and kingcomp.

Thank You for all your concern in how we run Neo3 Media Inc. However, I think the only thing you should be concerned with it your own and if your going to buy our software. I think that is fair enough right?

Thanks Again

If Neopanel can be programmed right (assumes bugfree) the first time, then I think your development team should drop the project and go work for microsoft ;)

Neo3 then? How old are they and why are they not here posting?

AGAIN who is the development team and how old are they.
You can say age does not matter all you want but since you are asking people to fork over $150.00 for something you do not even have a demo of, it does matter since a 15 year old cannot sign a contract the 15 day money back is also vapor ware. You can run off and no one can do a thing to you.

The statement you made that the software will be written right the first time so it does not need much testing shows you and your ??team?? have little if ANY experience developing software.

What other major products has your team worked on?

You say this is all flames and we are giving you are hard time?

All anyone is asking you to do is backup your claims before we shell out money for a product. I do not buy anything without seeing the product first asking questions and knowing whom I am dealing with, that is common sense.
So far you have not shown us anything but instead said it will be a great product wait and see but in the mean time send me $150.00.

Sorry this whole thing has SCAM written all over it.

Neo3 then? How old are they and why are they not here posting?

They are over the ages of 23. 5 of them

I don't think they need to be posting here. Its a waste of time and they don't need to. (Maybe this is why HostGUI hasn't been released yet)

We will have a demo up before pre-orders end so don't worry about that.

The statement I said about being written right the first time I think was misunderstood. I didn't mean that our programmers are amazing and can do everything without error. I meant that it doesn't make sense that people need more then 3 months to program something correctly. It can be done and has been done.

A 15 year old can not sign a contract, yes this is correct. However, I do not own the company and the owners can sign the contracts.

They have worked on hosting controlling software before and are very experienced in the field.

If you do not want to "shell out" $150 for the software then wait for the demo. It will be worth the wait. :D

I hope this answers most of your questions, I am trying to do the best I can while keeping the flames down.

Thanks Again

Originally posted by Neo3Net

I am sorry you can't learn to drop things but I guess it will eventually come. When the SOFTWARE comes out it then you can rag on it. (If Need Be, which I highly doubt possible)



I'm not here to pick on you or your product or say that it's going to be crap. However, I'd like to say a few things about what you and other's have posted. Firstly, HostGUI wasn't started all over from scratch just recently. That was a while ago.

Another point, in direct response to the above, as well as throughout this thread. You say it's more secure and you say it's done right the first time. As someone else mentioned, everyone believes that about their work when they do it. I'd hate to see someone say it probably isn't and promote or sell it anyway. Also, you mentioned Cpanel again and again, and on and on. Yet, you _use_ Cpanel on your server you're on now.

Finally, your earlier posts at WHT a couple of months ago, you posted that it'd be done in PHP -- not the top end, but all of it. This is an inherently insecure design to begin with -- due to how it would have to be implemented, designed and structured. Also, any bugs or security issues with PHP that are discovered in whatever version you built it with or however you plan to implement it, are going to leave people's systems open to some major problems. PHP has had such major issues in a few recent releases and it's difficult to assume that such a design and interface could ever be secure given those facts.

Anyway, just some thoughts, I don't get the impression this is anything that will take off just due to a lot of things and some pretty interesting stuff I found about a few servers, domains (a lot of them) that you are involved in (or whatever "you" would technically mean) and your father. I'm not going to spread any rumors, but it doesn't take a lot of effort to just check -- I assumed everyone knew you were only 15. It was simple enough to find. Nonetheless, I don't have time or care to get into it. Someone just mentioned something to me and I thought I'd post it quickly while I have a moment.

<<Removed: OT>>

BTW, Tim,

It's not his fault the server he's running has cpanel on it, as it's not his server, only a shared account :D. Someone messaged me earlier saying they were on the same server, i almost fell over in disbelief.

Originally posted by Tazzman
Somebody could always sign up for one of their support chats on their site and give them an interogation:


I really wouldn't bother. After all, people are just going to get the wrong idea about your intentions and think you're just causing trouble or are a competitor.



And at Tim: I said I could be wrong about the rewriting thing and obviously I was. My apolagies...

No problem at all, I didn't have a problem with it, I just figured I'd let people know. The new development started about 2 or 3 months (I believe) before I left 3 months ago. This was also an advantage over just doing it from nothing, to recognize and be able to visusually point out any problems or shortcomings, bad ideas, etc. So, it helped pre-test it, even if it was unused when it all was said and done (and for good reason -- which I don't think I need to get into again). Cheers.

Originally posted by porcupine
BTW, Tim,

It's not his fault the server he's running has cpanel on it, as it's not his server, only a shared account :D. Someone messaged me earlier saying they were on the same server, i almost fell over in disbelief.

Well, to be honest, between that fact (yes, I didn't want to go on about it, I figured someone would say something), and them just recently posting saying they'd do designs (or whatever) for free, to be able to build a portfolio -- and then add their excitement about how HostGUI would be released soon about a month or two ago -- is just not indicative of a well funded, solid company that's able and ready to release their own control panel and whatnot.

Why would they be impatiently waiting for HostGUI only a month or two ago? What would they have needed it for? Why do they have to give away free designs to start getting business, when they are developing a control panel that's to be released in a week or two and blow all the other's away? Why... well, do some searches, you'll be able to add about 200 other good questions to this list. I honestly don't have the time, but I don't really have the desire either, so it works out well for me. :-)

Originally posted by porcupine
BTW, Tim,

It's not his fault the server he's running has cpanel on it, as it's not his server, only a shared account :D. Someone messaged me earlier saying they were on the same server, i almost fell over in disbelief.

hahaha, that's not a good sign is it...:rolleyes:

:eek:

Since Neo3Net doesn't own Neo3Media - I guess the owner just 'sent' him over here to promote their product... doesn't make sense to me. Why would anyone send a 15 year old to represent a product if all he is going to do is avoid the issues that are being presented by WHT members? Not to mention the fact that he lacks the proper skills in English (spelling, grammar) and wants to take every comment and question as an attack on their product.

Finally, your earlier posts at WHT a couple of months ago, you posted that it'd be done in PHP -- not the top end, but all of it. This is an inherently insecure design to begin with -- due to how it would have to be implemented, designed and structured. Also, any bugs or security issues with PHP that are discovered in whatever version you built it with or however you plan to implement it, are going to leave people's systems open to some major problems. PHP has had such major issues in a few recent releases and it's difficult to assume that such a design and interface could ever be secure given those facts.

If you would read the site you will see that it is programmed in C and PHP. After some talking with our programmers, we decided that this was the best solution.

I support other products because I don't believe in bashing people and other companies.

Our server is shared server, yes you’re correct. The server is owned by our partner Optic Five Technologies (A.K.A Pearl Network)

Like I said before. I think the product will speak for its self.

The sites in our portfolio are old and this is why we offered free web design to boost our portfolio up. (It wasn't a bad idea)

We are a legit company and we do things correctly.
I really don't understand this entire thread.

If it was constructive and asked questions like: What platforms will be supported and such I would be fine however this thread is not like that. I can't understand why you don't get this concept:

If you don't like the way NeoPanel is put together and works, DO NOT PRE-ORDER IT

Very simple if you think about it.

As you say on, all I can really think is "Why do you care?"

Does it really matter if we are on a shared server? These are not important questions.

Does it matter that I support other companies, including our competition? I welcome competition.

Age has nothing to do with this product. Just because I am 15, this does not mean that the company I work for cannot output a good product.

Myles, did you check out that incorporation yet?

Please do not boggle my head with stupid things such as: “spelling/grammar"

We all type fast here and mistakes do happen. I hope your company decisions aren't made on who can type fast and spell correctly.

I think that this entire thread should be closed and then started again when we release our demo.

Like I said before, if you do not like the way our company looks, do not buy our products.

I hope you can all sit down and calm down and wait for the demo. It is not far off and if you have been waiting for the mystical HostGUI then this shouldn't be a problem.

Thanks Again

I've yet to actually find a website to look up that information. But anyhow, you claim spelling and grammar are irrelavent, but they're pretty important for any real business. You've contradicted yourselfa whole lot of times here, i dont see how you're supporting competetors, you're merely bashing their products. This thread is pretty tired, and i couldn't say anything very inspiring without sounding like an echo. Finish school.

As I said, this is off topic.

After the demo is released then tell me to go to school.

Thank You

Originally posted by Neo3Net
As I said, this is off topic.

After the demo is released then tell me to go to school.

Thank You

I'll put that on the agenda. Not to mention it's the law that you should be in school at your age regardless.

LOL, I look forward to hearing from your lawyers. ;)

Thanks Again

The quotes below are further evidence of immaturity.

Originally posted by Neo3Net
What has happened in the past was under my management. I did mess up and I regret it. However, Neo3 Media Inc. has nothing to do with x213. No one who worked for x213 works for Neo3 Media now except for me.

Whatever you do stays with you, particularly when you endeavor to reenter the same field.

I am sorry you can't learn to drop things but I guess it will eventually come. When the SOFTWARE comes out it then you can rag on it. (If Need Be, which I highly doubt possible)

You are completely unreasonable in expecting issues about your past actions to be dropped quickly.

I only changed my name on these boards once. Went from x213Networks to Neo3Net. This was because of the company change.

The reason those customers left was because their was a misunderstanding between me and kingcomp.

Misunderstanding....yes, if I fail to pay my rent, my landlord and I will have a misunderstanding.

Thank You for all your concern in how we run Neo3 Media Inc. However, I think the only thing you should be concerned with it your own and if your going to buy our software. I think that is fair enough right?

Thanks Again

This is the most important one. How you run Neo3 is very relevant to the issue of buying your software. So, your I think that is fair enough right? is wrong. Fair enough is asking serious questions about the company in addition to the software. That is, unless you are saying one should just buy the software with no promises ever of support or upgrades. When one buys a product, they are buying the other services that come with it. And this business, more than most, is dependent on trust, service and confidence as we all seek to minimize risk and exposure.

Originally posted by Neo3Net
LOL, I look forward to hearing from your lawyers. ;)

Thanks Again

Why would you be hearing from my lawyers, yuo shuold be hearing from your parole officer as it's the law around here at least that you're to be in school until you finish grade 12, or are 16.

Incognito, I congradulate you on a job well done.

You are the first person to justify everything that you say.

I am not trying to be a bad guy here. We are all in the hosting community together.

I am just saying that what happened in the past is not important because that was not Neo3 Media Inc. x213 Networks has nothing to do with Neo3 Media and the only one who worked at x213 who works at Neo3 Media is me.

I agree that the way a company works is very important to if I want to buy their software. Except, lets be serious, if the company is hosted on a shared server does not have to do with much does it?

The misunderstanding with KingComp was that he usually billed me then I billed the clients. This time he was waiting for me to pay him instead of him billing me. Simple misunderstanding.



And this business, more than most, is dependent on trust, service and confidence as we all seek to minimize risk and exposure.

That is why I did not lie about copying HostGUI. Other people don't understand this.

Why would you be hearing from my lawyers, yuo shuold be hearing from your parole officer as it's the law around here at least that you're to be in school until you finish grade 12, or are 16.

It is a joke Myles, no need for this comment.

Thank You

*shrug* you made it look like you didn't understand why you were legally required to be in school. I figured i'd clarify it for you, because when you assume, you make an ass out of you and me. And i don't personally favor being made an ass of :).

No Problem. :D

Thank You