Well I used Firefox for a while now, I got tired of the incredibly high memory usage so I decided to install IE 7 beta 3 and I must say I'm impressed.

There's an article on slashdot comparing IE, Firefox and Opera:

http://slashdot.org/articles/06/07/19/1458259.shtml

According to http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1990855,00.asp , IE would be worse than FF or Opera :)

According to http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1990855,00.asp , IE would be worse than FF or Opera :)

So I go to read the article and it does not say that at all... :eek3:

They conclude: These [FF, IE, Opera] are all fine apps; we recommend you give them each a spin—it's a free download...

I use all three. I use IE 7 and FF more than opera. They are all great.

So I go to read the article and it does not say that at all... :eek3:

They conclude: These [FF, IE, Opera] are all fine apps; we recommend you give them each a spin—it's a free download...

I use all three. I use IE 7 and FF more than opera. They are all great.

I also use FF and IE7, IE7 on the laptop because it has only 256 MB of RAM but FF doesn't really affect my desktop since it has 1 GB of RAM.

Notice how opera was the only one that passed the standards compliance test while firefox and IE failed. Opera also used the least amount of memory while in use and had the fastest start up time. ;)

I would never touch another MS browser, I'm done with reformatting every month.

Notice how opera was the only one that passed the standards compliance test while firefox and IE failed. Opera also used the least amount of memory while in use and had the fastest start up time. ;)

I would never touch another MS browser, I'm done with reformatting every month.

Opera wasn't bad but it was slow at loading some pages like WHT, pages with embedded video and I had to click on the page to be able to scroll down on my laptops touchpad.

Opera wasn't bad but it was slow at loading some pages like WHT, pages with embedded video and I had to click on the page to be able to scroll down on my laptops touchpad.

That's WHT's end. It's slow for me at times too, especially late at night which is the case with any browser. Otherwise I've never had a problem with opera load times, it seems faster than both IE and firefox.

I would never touch another MS browser, I'm done with reformatting every month.

wow... how does a browser cause you to reformat every month? :uhh: :o

J-P has a very good point... I believe most still think 512 alot of ram. After moving from 512 to 768 things were better for me... but once I moved to 2 gb everything moves better - no lags. We have so many apps open now. I have IE express, several browser, notepad, word, and virtual pc open right now.

wow... how does a browser cause you to reformat every month? :uhh: :o


No one really knows how MS does their magic.

I really think it is all personal taste. Some people may like FF over ie while others my like opera. It really depends on what you are looking for in the software and what you want to get out of it. I like ff for all the things I can add to it to make better use of my time and bandwith but that is just my personal view.

100th post!! :banana::banana::banana:

That article was very informative. I think I may try out IE7 when it releases.

wow... how does a browser cause you to reformat every month? :uhh: :o

Security holes leaving spyware, adware, etc. I'd rather install a virus than use IE again.

hewku made a point. A computer kept clean and up to date, in addition to high ram (1 Gb or more) are the "secrets" to quality browsing, should it be with FF or Opera.

I don't really see how anyone can expect much out of 512mb of ram these days. Seems like we have been stuck on that standard for far too long now.

I got my memory usage to drop doing this:

open a new tab, in the address bar enter; about:config

type "history" into the preference name, and change the browser.sessionhistory.max_total_viewers to "5" and the "browser.sessionhistory.max_viewers" to "0".


now my memory usage is always low.


I'm using the developer beta 1 of firefox 2.0, and it's pretty awesome. A lot like Opera in several ways.

Just wanted to point out that I'm not trying to bash firefox in my previous posts. I used it for about a year without any problems. It's IE that seems to have the issues. I went from IE's security vulnerabilities to firefox (felt like christmas morning), then eventually switched to opera after trying it and liking how clean and "lightweight" it seemed. Now I just love the mouse gestures.

Security holes leaving spyware, adware, etc. I'd rather install a virus than use IE again.


We are all wrong anyway.... :)

"Maxthon is simply the most powerful, and yet the simplest, browser to be used anywhere, anytime, by anyone."

http://internetweek.cmp.com/shared/article/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=179101486&pgno=1 (Feb 06 article... all browsers have updated since.)



They all have security holes....
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2006/06/new_firefox_version_fixes_13_s.html

You have to be careful no matter what browser you use... I can't remember the last time anything turned up on my computer.

They all have security holes....


Firefox has 4 pages of vulnerabilities:
http://www.securityfocus.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?o=0&l=30&c=12&op=display_list&vendor=Mozilla&version=&title=Firefox&CVE=

Opera has 3 pages of vulnerabilities:
http://www.securityfocus.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?o=0&l=30&c=12&op=display_list&vendor=Opera%20Software&version=&title=Opera%20Web%20Browser&CVE=

IE has 50 pages of vulnerabilities:
http://www.securityfocus.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?o=0&l=30&c=12&op=display_list&vendor=Microsoft&version=&title=&CVE=


There's a slight difference there....

All software that is of decent size will have security holes...that is just the way it is....you just have to admit that ie and other ms products seem to be prone to said holes.

:spiny: Firefox has 4 pages of vulnerabilities:
http://www.securityfocus.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?o=0&l=30&c=12&op=display_list&vendor=Mozilla&version=&title=Firefox&CVE=

Opera has 3 pages of vulnerabilities:
http://www.securityfocus.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?o=0&l=30&c=12&op=display_list&vendor=Opera%20Software&version=&title=Opera%20Web%20Browser&CVE=

IE has 50 pages of vulnerabilities:
http://www.securityfocus.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?o=0&l=30&c=12&op=display_list&vendor=Microsoft&version=&title=&CVE=


There's a slight difference there....

Admac, you give me jokes... :)

That site listed all the issues with ALL of MS products! Last time I looked MS was a huge company.

Anyway, drill down to just browsers and MS is on par with the others... they all have "0" for their latest versions... lol... or so THAT site claims.

My point was, all browsers will have some security holes... it is up to the user to be careful on the net.

:spiny:

Admac, you give me jokes... :)

That site listed all the issues with ALL of MS products! Last time I looked MS is a huge company.

Sorry, I accidently hit back one too many times when pasting links. The proper link is below which still has 13 pages compared to the 3 and 4 of the other two browsers.

http://www.securityfocus.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?o=0&l=30&c=12&op=display_list&vendor=Microsoft&version=&title=Internet%20Explorer&CVE=

Firefox v 1.x

IE v7

In firefox's little 1.x version histroy its already had the largest security hole i've ever seen any before with being able to excute commands via the address bar.

Firefox only has maybe a mid 20% share of internet users using it consistently, and that number is probably a little high. If i were a hacker/peice of scum, i know i'd be seeking the majority.

Final conclusion:

Opera > *

Sorry, I accidently hit back one too many times when pasting links. The proper link is below which still has 13 pages compared to the 3 and 4 of the other two browsers.

http://www.securityfocus.com/cgi-bin/index.cgi?o=0&l=30&c=12&op=display_list&vendor=Microsoft&version=&title=Internet%20Explorer&CVE=

Again, it goes back to IE 3... Was FF even around back then?

And if you select Mozilla browser, you will see it is on par with all MS browsers... even though MS been out longer and has more products. That means nothing... just a point.

OK... this argument is going no where... guess I'll find another thread. :gone:

And if you select Mozilla browser, you will see it is on par with all MS browsers... even though MS been out longer and has more products.

What are you talking about? Mozilla browser has 0 pages, firefox has 4 pages, IE has 13 pages.

Again, it goes back to IE 3... Was FF even around back then?

If that's your agument, then why is it IE 6.0 has 10 pages of vulnerabilities for that version alone, while every release of firefox and opera in the last 2 years have less than 1 page?

What are you talking about? Mozilla browser has 0 pages, firefox has 4 pages, IE has 13 pages.

If you take the market share into consideration, let's say FF has 15% of the market share (with 4 pages) and IE 85% (with 12 pages of bugs) that's 5.66 times more users using IE and if the number of holes discovered in FF increase at the same rate they will have 22 pages worth of holes and other security vulnerabilities by the time they hit an 85 percent market share.

Of course the number of holes discovered doesn't have to be proportional to the number of users but statistically it does increase the chances of hackers exploiting unknown vulnerabilities.

I find it odd how many people are saying Opera is loading so fast, I have only tried it on a PC here with 512MB but found it to be MUCH more mogged down than IE or FF. I would love to make it move along a bit faster as I do enjoy the setup more than either of the other two.

I couldn't stop using FireFox after all this time, I'm too used to it.

If you take the market share into consideration, let's say FF has 15% of the market share (with 4 pages) and IE 85% (with 12 pages of bugs)

Those numbers are far from accurate. Firefox is getting very close to IE's market share.

Of course the number of holes discovered doesn't have to be proportional to the number of users but statistically it does increase the chances of hackers exploiting unknown vulnerabilities.

Both browsers have a substantial user base. We're not comparing 5000 users to 100 million, we're comparing numbers that are much, much closer.

Based on the fact the recent version of firefox has half a page of vulnerabilities and IE has 10 pages, that's 20 times the number of vulnerabilities. Sorry, IE doesn't have anywhere near 20 times the marketshare.

I find it odd how many people are saying Opera is loading so fast, I have only tried it on a PC here with 512MB but found it to be MUCH more mogged down than IE or FF. I would love to make it move along a bit faster as I do enjoy the setup more than either of the other two.

According the the stats from the tests, the base browser itself does use more memory, however once you start loading tabs and websites the other browsers tend to waste more memory. With sites loaded, opera should use less memory.

There is nothing wrong with Internet Explorer 6 and previous, only idiot's who don't know how to operate a computer and surf the internet are the ones who have problems. Anyone with half a brain and some common sense can surf the internet at ease without getting spyware and adaware.

I use FireFox only because of the tabs and since I heard IE7 will have tabs, I might convert back.. just lazy in finding and downloading it.. :(

Those numbers are far from accurate. Firefox is getting very close to IE's market share.

I've been looking at some stats on the net, here's a recent one.

http://slashdot.org/articles/06/07/12/1232249.shtml

FF global market share 13%

Security holes leaving spyware, adware, etc. I'd rather install a virus than use IE again.

only idiot's who don't know how to operate a computer and surf the internet are the ones who have problems. Anyone with half a brain and some common sense can surf the internet at ease without getting spyware and adaware.

:uzi:

lol

You guys are so brave to be installing microsoft products in beta format on your computer when microsoft has a habit of hooking something such as I.E. into every facet of their operating system.

To those who rely on their computer, beta testing internet explorer (in my view) is like beta testing an airplane....

Also when it comes to memory usage, there was a thread a while back on opera forums about it. Basically, the browser will use more memory if you have alot of free memory laying around, but it apparently uses less if there is a strain on system resources. In otherwords, it is meant to take advantage of more resources as oposed to merely ignoring them.

I don't really see how anyone can expect much out of 512mb of ram these days. Seems like we have been stuck on that standard for far too long now.

Nearly all the computers in my works office runs with 512mb ram.. and they all have no problems. The problem in my mind are bloated programs.. which IMHO FireFox is becomming one of those. I also use Opera and IE7 more than Firefox now. I'm tired of it using more than 100mb of ram with 7 tabs open and finally crashes on me.

There is nothing wrong with Internet Explorer 6 and previous, only idiot's who don't know how to operate a computer and surf the internet are the ones who have problems. Anyone with half a brain and some common sense can surf the internet at ease without getting spyware and adaware.

Yeah, because users are the ones that coded the vulnerabilities? :rolleyes:

You've done nothing but spew an opinion, I showed proven fact.

I've been looking at some stats on the net, here's a recent one.

http://slashdot.org/articles/06/07/12/1232249.shtml

FF global market share 13%

My own stats from my 34 sites show much higher firefox numbers. It depends on the type of site as to what type of users visit it.

Moved to computers forum

My brother operates a home-improvement website, which sells windows and doors, sliding doors etc. This would indicate a very non-tech savvy audience, and the logs show 211 visits using FireFox, 412 visits using IE, Amdac's point is proven in my case. Not even one user logged into the website using opera. These are as close to the stats you are looking for from people that don't necessarily specialize with computers.

recap:

FireFox: 211
IE: 412

Well I used Firefox for a while now, I got tired of the incredibly high memory usage so I decided to install IE 7 beta 3 and I must say I'm impressed.

There's an article on slashdot comparing IE, Firefox and Opera:

http://slashdot.org/articles/06/07/19/1458259.shtml

Same here. But of course it's a beta version. I still use firefox. IE once in a while.

I will stick for Firefox for the foreseeable future just becuse of IE's colorful history.

Firefox.
IE7 is not the best of browsers.

I love firefox, but lately it's been freezing up on me, or using a lot of memory usage. I'm hoping their new update will fix this..

Yea my own personal site:
2006 58% ff 33.1% ms
2005 56% ff 33% ms
2004 64% ms 23% ff

All yearly, maybe later I will check the hosting site. Personal one is all kinds of visitors. :)

Hmmm.... that is strange.... and I do not operate a MS site or anything related to MS... just a regular site. My site seems to be inline with the stats of 13%...

MS Internet Explorer
84.1 %

Firefox
9.6 %

Safari
2.4 %

Netscape
1 %

Mozilla
0.9 %

Unknown
0.9 %

Opera
0.6 %

Konqueror
0 %

UP.Browser (PDA/Phone browser)
0 %

Camino
0 %

Others
0 %

From my webmaster forum (second link in my signature):

Firefox: 37.04%
IE: 33.33%
Opera: 29.01%
Safari: 0.62%

The opera number may be a bit high because I refresh it quite a bit in opera and tend to push opera towards the users of both my webmaster forums.

These numbers are pretty consistant throughout most of my sites. Generally opera sits around 10% and Firefox/IE both sit in the area of 45%/40%.

IE is just terrible, Fire fox is incrediblyy faster I found when I was navigating everywhere :)

Firefox was completely and utterly faster than IE, maybe the new ones faster, but for now, my loyalty stays with mozilla

I'd go with IE 7, firefox sometimes is really slow on my computer, I've heard good things about it too. Firefox isn't my fav anyways.

Stick with firefox, IE looks real nice. But sometimes it doesn't even properly display tables/popup windows (good ones)

Stick with firefox, IE just tends to crash, remember, ITS A BETA. So until it's released im not even going to dload it (again... first time it just crashed and worked like crap!)