Hey guys..

Last week I bumped into a old mate (former Ceonex developer) who is starting his own web development company. We got chatting and he offered me a development with 50% his standard pricing.

After more talks I managed to knock him down more. I was interested if I really am getting a good deal. And what else I could get for my money.

Standard pricing - From $10,000
Our Price - $3,000
Deposit $500

I have paid the deposit so it’s a bit late now. I have seen ONE update and the development really is quality. Is this the kind of price you need to pay to get a decent design these days?

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Depens on what you are getting for $3000. Is your website primarily a static site, does it need database integration, custom scripting etc. You will need to provide more details.

Depens on what you are getting for $3000. Is your website primarily a static site, does it need database integration, custom scripting etc. You will need to provide more details.

The $3,000 is JUST for the design and basic codeing. We have a php coder on our payrole who will do the site integration.

the "guy" is also a seo PRO. and he is going to develop with that in mind also. I can provide a screenshot of the first update if anyone would like to see.

Jon

i think this is a little bit more for only the design , you can find very good designers for low prices in INDIA and other asian countries.

After more talks I managed to knock him down more. I was interested if I really am getting a good deal. And what else I could get for my money.

Standard pricing - From $10,000
Our Price - $3,000
Deposit $500

I have paid the deposit so it’s a bit late now. I have seen ONE update and the development really is quality. Is this the kind of price you need to pay to get a decent design these days?

As someone asked, what sort of site is it? Is this the price you'd pay for a blog site or a database driven portal?

Also if he's gone down from £10k to £3k he must surely be making a bit on that - so what's he making on £10k?

If the price is just for 'design and basic coding' I'd say that is well over the top. I would expect to pay about £1500 for fully custom design templates/PSD's *and* branding imagery for stationery etc. Coding a 'basic' site shouldn't take that long - for a CSS based layout an it's a days work for an experienced coder to do all the site templates.

Of course if you go to a design agency you can pay lots of money for design - but you can often get the same thing from freelancers and small companies for less.

Well.. i must say the quality of the work is outstanding so far. You get what you pay for in this game. If the quality keeps going like that i will have to say that WELL its worth the money. I would pay the $10,000 for the work i have seen so far.

Paying $1500 for fully custom design templates/PSD's. Thats what everone dose :) some of us need to stand out :)

Also if he's gone down from £10k to £3k he must surely be making a bit on that - so what's he making on £10k?

He is a personal mate of mine. that is why he came down so much. lets think about this for a sec.

2 weeks - 120 hours - $25/hour

I think that is fair.

I think that is fair.

As his customer, that is all that matters....

A brand new website that is coded efficiently, semantically sound and looks halfway decent for $3,000 sounds like a rather good deal.

Of course, you could always get a re-branded Cheapo Depot template for $150. It just depends on what kind of money you want to invest into your brand and your company.

As his customer, that is all that matters....
:clap: Standing ovation for that one. I understand people like to start threads about this stuff for reassurance, but in the end, anything any of us have to say doesn't amount to a thing.

I have a friend who does layout work. A PSD alone costs $5-8k, not counting any development (static or dynamic) whatsoever. The quality of the design work alone is high enough to warrant the price, and the impact of his work translates into better business for the customer.

You could turn around and spend $500 total on a full site, only to find out you wasted every penny because your business needs weren't met. So, it's quite possible the same thing you're receiving is well worth the $10k it would have cost if you guys weren't friends. Even for independent contractors, after taxes, individual health care costs, marketing-related expenses and business-related overhead, $3k doesn't end up being nearly as much as one would hope it would be.

:clap: Standing ovation for that one. I understand people like to start threads about this stuff for reassurance, but in the end, anything any of us have to say doesn't amount to a thing.

I have a friend who does layout work. A PSD alone costs $5-8k, not counting any development (static or dynamic) whatsoever. The quality of the design work alone is high enough to warrant the price, and the impact of his work translates into better business for the customer.

You could turn around and spend $500 total on a full site, only to find out you wasted every penny because your business needs weren't met. So, it's quite possible the same thing you're receiving is well worth the $10k it would have cost if you guys weren't friends. Even for independent contractors, after taxes, individual health care costs, marketing-related expenses and business-related overhead, $3k doesn't end up being nearly as much as one would hope it would be.

^^ i cant agree more..

What i will do is post when the development is ready. I think thats the only way we can really see if its worth the money. But what i see so far is looking good. I have had 2 people ask me for the guys contact infomation. I will provide it over PM.

Just had the 2nd update. Scrap this. the design to totaly amazing! watch this space :P

Do you mind if we get a sneak peek? I'd be interested in what they're giving you for $3k. Also, what other types of services are they performing? Is this for a mockup, or is it a complete solution?

you teasing little ****

just post the site :D

I have a screenshot i can send around :) im not going to post it but il be happy to send it on request. Just drop me a PM.

They are offering a complete solution.

I cant help it! :) SUPER SITE!

3k is a great deal from a professional designer. Even if it was a coded layout for only 3 pages. I see so-so designers charge 3k for a 1 page template.

3k is a great deal from a professional designer. Even if it was a coded layout for only 3 pages. I see so-so designers charge 3k for a 1 page template.

We usually charge around $1k-1.5k for a one page re-design, so yeah, I can see where you're going with that. Most "designers" don't often offer comprehensive solutions for businesses: branding, Q&A, marketing, SEO, design, development, copywriting, usability.. etc!

That's where the real price goes into play ;)

Another big question.. flash or no flash.

Another big question.. flash or no flash.
Depends on where the flash is used. If it's not overused, and just in one spot to add something dynamic to the page, that's no problem :)

The Flash market share has grown exponentially since 2004, and I wouldn't be surprised if most computers have it now. It used to be that developers didn't want to use Flash for the fear of leaving people out (which is still a concern accessibility-wise!) So, that really isn't a problem any longer.

Accessibility and use is probably the biggest concern. I would probably recommend against Flash today unless you're using it for the reason it was created — animated vector graphics. Many companies like Flash because it's "flashy" or creates "swoosh" on your pages. I personally think this is a horrible reason to use it on a website, especially with cleaner alternatives such as AJAX and Javascript animation effects (see script.acul.ous (http://script.acul.ous))

Flash is also more expensive in most cases! ;)

hi
i m sorry to say but if i m getting a web site made i will not look for no one india or anywhere else in the world to do it for cheap coz people put time and hours and alot of work to design a website and they need to get paid for it

Another big question.. flash or no flash.

Most peolpe I know removed flash... I do not have it loaded either... I use FF when I need to look at flash. Far as on a website, it depends on what kind of website. If you want someone to read something, you don't want some man running across the screen or a bunch of action in a banner.

In case they do not have flash, you may not want to put anything important in the flash.

On one of my sites, I have testing vids. There are a number of vids, one for win media, and one in flash. They are side-by-side, but everyone pics the win media vids. I've tested the flash in many different computers, had other people test, it works fine and actually looks very good. You can start/stop, etc... (just like win media).

Flash has a purpose, but I think some people abuse it...

My 2cents...

I know web designers that charge $5k just for a landing page.. and i mean ugly landing pages, but people who know nothing about the internet and want a site from a local designer, thats what theyll pay!