I was wondering, should I even consider starting up another hosting company, its not on my plate at the moment but it is something I'm curious about... although if I even consider it, it would be me, myself and I owning it (my 3 personalities) :)

With all the companies out there today and the fact that I've done it for so long I'm just curious what other people think I should do.

Originally posted by DanielP
... although if I even consider it, it would be me, myself and I owning it (my 3 personalities) :)
Just make sure you sit your 3 selves down with your legal counsel and get it all set in concrete before you 3 begin. :D ;)

Yes yes, most definitely, actually if I did anything it would be under Effect, which already has the correct legal documents even between myself, just would require an amendment to the companies direction.

Originally posted by DanielP
Yes yes, most definitely, actually if I did anything it would be under Effect, which already has the correct legal documents even between myself, just would require an amendment to the companies direction.
I voted no BTW. Too many hosts around anyways. ;) :D

LOL :)

I guess I can take no two ways, they either don't like me or ph33r me :nuts: :nuts: :nuts:

Daniel, I didn't think you would go this far as to asking the community to start a hosting company. Hasn't the other thread flamed you enough? This one will also. You obviously have good marketing skills cause that's what you're doing right now, and don't start acting all innocent.

Hi Shyne :)

I'm just curious as to what they think, after all it is what I am good at, and quite frankly I'm sitting here going over various ideas and prospects. I mean, i've only been doing this for 7 years now so its somewhat in my blood.

I'm not marketing I'm asking, and what do I have to act Innocent about?

Tnx for posting :)

Your little smile in here won't help you. If this is in your blood then why are you asking us if you are so much better? Do you really want me to pull up that thread that basically told everything about you? Let's not go any further.

Shyne, who's going where, I'm just here asking the question because I honestly am in indecision and debate about it, its something I'd like to do yes, but have I fully decided no?

Please, lets keep this civil shall we, I honestly don't mind the discussion but when you start throwing threats up that's another thing. If people want to find out about me, my past, or anything else its easy enough for them to use the search button.

However, the same holds true for you, or anyone else on this board for that matter.

I see, so you are not sure if you want to start a hosting company, and for some reason WE are gonna vote on it? It's so obvious you are marketing this, 'cause most likely you WILL start another hosting company cause that's all you know how to do (somewhat).

Forget it, you got my point.

Pretty much yes, I want the opinion of the public.

You can call it marketing all you want, that's your opinion and you have a right to that. I might or I might not, if the poll goes in the favor to do so, then I will begin a more indepth research project, compare the competition and see if its truly worth it.

Daniel - Do what feels right for you :) If that's hosting again, then all the best to you.

Daniel,

I see you like to ignore comments that people make towards you. At least have the decency to act like you act in REAL life behind that monitor.

Originally posted by Shyne
Daniel,

I see you like to ignore comments . . . . . . Some comments are best left that way. If they hold nothing constructive; why would they deserve commenting on? :rolleyes:

BTW: I voted maybe.

:pimp: Do whatcha wanna do, man.

Originally posted by Shyne
I see, so you are not sure if you want to start a hosting company, and for some reason WE are gonna vote on it? It's so obvious you are marketing this, 'cause most likely you WILL start another hosting company cause that's all you know how to do (somewhat).

I believe you're talking about Jay Silver from pwebtech.com? This is just offtopic information.

Bogdan, please, lets try and keep this a civil conversation. Being "dropped" from 2 or 3 companies is quite the over statement. Since the archives of all of those are still within the forums I will not worry about responding to it other than say that people are more than welcome to search the forums.

As to you calling me a well I shouldn’t quote you.

That’s your opinion, and your more than welcome to it. If I acted wrong to you, then I apologize, the world isn't perfect after all, not everybody can like everybody, if they did then we wouldn't need weapons, war, money etc.

I'm not sure how you would know how I act in the real world unless you've met me, and if you have that'd be rare.... I keep few friends outside of whom I meet on the internet...

I'm not acting like a king and don't see how I could have come off as that... I'm just responding in a calm, hopefully constructive manner, the intent of this thread was not to create a war of the words nor a flame fest, it was to get honest opinions, so while I don't agree with your name calling I do respect your opinion in the matter. Thank you.

SoftWareRevue,

He won't comment on anything that will make him wrong or make him look bad. I don't expect him to answer anything, but I just want people to see how he promotes him self on these forums.

Daniel are you really that hungry for business?

Shyne, please, tell me what I have avoided?

I keep telling you this isn't a marketing ploy, and I am enjoying the conversation, I've not even launched most of my services @ effect so I’m not needing business there.... my life puts me in a good enough situation so I don't require much to maintain myself so no, I'm not hungry for business. If you wish to take the stance that this is an advertising ploy then that’s your opinion and your more than welcome to it, however, continuing to harp on it does tend to sound like a broken record is all.

Also, a direct reply to one of Shyne's comments.

He won't comment on anything that will make him wrong or make him look bad.

No matter who you look at, pick apart, analyze or investigate I can promise, you will always find both good and bad things in their life. So really, there's nothing I, or anyone else could say to that, as we've all had our high points and low points in our lives, as well as good and bad decisions... So does that not describe every human on this planet?

This isn't the first time you are promoting you self like this. The last thread that you opened? You though you'd come out as a king, but what REALLY happened? You just got flamed. After you couldn't defend your self you were a coward and asked to close the thread.

Yes this is a self promotion idea of yours. If it's not then close this thread and post on your OWN forum, and ask your OWN clients about this idea.

Originally posted by DanielP
Also, a direct reply to one of Shyne's comments.



No matter who you look at, pick apart, analyze or investigate I can promise, you will always find both good and bad things in their life. So really, there's nothing I, or anyone else could say to that, as we've all had our high points and low points in our lives, as well as good and bad decisions... So does that not describe every human on this planet?

I didn't need a life lesson from YOU especially. So if a person kills 100 people on the bus? I guess that can be forgiven cause like you said it was just a down day for him, no biggy.

I'm really not interested learning lessons from you. I got my own head on my shoulders and I can decide for my self unlike you.

Shyne, I seem to be repeating myself..... this is not an advertisement this is a question to other people... period. Please, quit trying to turn it into something it isn't.

You very well know why I don't post it on my own forum, because I have not actively promoted it nor even really put any effort behind the company so while it is there it is for the most part not active.

You seem to have this fantastic grudge against me to always pop up and debate with me, while I don't mind these debates you keep pointing out your same opinion over and over..... I'm just trying to figure out the motive... do you want to date me or something? :D :D


BTW, if you haven't figured it out, even if I do decide to go ahead with a hosting company this thread will be long gone and forgotten by the time its done. I wouldn't expect anything till the end of June - mid July at the absolute earliest. So even if it was an advertisement, which its not, it would be pointless.

Are you that insecure that you actually sit next to your monitor and refresh this page just to defend your self or post something?

Forget it, you got my point.

Daniel, I think you have got what it takes to run a web hosting business. However, I recomend you go with your gut feeling on this one. If you have to resort to asking for others opinions, than perhaps it just isn't for you? A lot of people can box, but they don't always make a living out of it. Know what I mean?

Shyne, no, I'm not insecure, I just can't sleep (as usual) and there's nothing good on TV and I'm enjoying or discussion... I didn't think there was anything wrong with that was there?


Bogdan, as I said earlier, your more than welcome to your opinion, you have not offended me one bit, every person is entitled to his or her opinion, it is not my place to tell you what to think. I respect people who speak their mind; I have no problem with that.

This is old news, but no one wants to date you.

I keep going in circles because you keep posting the same BS like you usually do.

And thanks for stating when you are expecting to open the company, mid-July is it?

i voted yes! i have worked with you a number of times over the past few years and you have yet to let me down! i have always found you to be honest, freindly, knowledgeable, and extremely insightful. i think you have some excellent skills and could take a new company far. just make sure you stick to being the owner! NO MORE PARTNERS :)

you know how to get a hold of me if you want to chat about this any more in the future. you got my vote.

lol, Shyne, I love your way with words.


I was simply pointing out a flaw in your logic, and using my experience with the hosting industry I posted an estimate of if I wanted to do something the right way, its not like I'm new at this you know.

Big world out there .. enough clients for everybody .. do what you feel like doing :)

Originally posted by Shyne
This isn't the first time you are promoting you self like this. The last thread that you opened? You though you'd come out as a king, but what REALLY happened? You just got flamed. After you couldn't defend your self you were a coward and asked to close the thread.

Yes this is a self promotion idea of yours. If it's not then close this thread and post on your OWN forum, and ask your OWN clients about this idea. As I remember, you were the only one really "flaming" in that thread.. or maybe you're talking about another thread I never got around to reading. It happens.. :rolleyes:

I'd say go for it.. no partners this time and see how it works out in the end. Either way, a new host is born everyday it seems... it depends on the person on how far they will take it, never hurts to at least try. Same advice I'd give to anyone... experience or non at all. You live and learn as the saying goes.

I don't understand why some of you who posted try to irritate this thread. Daniel is part of WHT as much as anyone else - would you have started questioning or trying to start an argument with others who wanted some opinions? I certainly hope not, considering that this is a public forum (upon registration).

If your post on here was just to argue with Daniel or to start another flame war in this thread, just contact Daniel through email or PM - I'm sure Daniel would love to privately debate with you if he has the time.

Some people seem so 'tart' when someone particular says anything in WHT. I don't know if its previous experience that you had with him personally, but its ugly to hold grudges against people - especially in an online environment.

Regarding the 'being dropped from 2-3 companies' is concerned - I don't know about you guys - but if I was in the situations that Daniel was in - I'd seriously would have done the same thing he has done if anything. In all cases, I believe Daniel has already stated his opinions about 'partnerships' in business - that simply is one reason why he started up his new venture - so that he can run things his way and there will be no internal conflict concerning 'power' in a business organization.

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Anyways, Daniel, I'd say go for it and start up a hosting service with EO. As you said, it's what you've been doing for the past 7 years and I doubt you will have any problems in the future since you shouldn't be 'influenced' by other's actions this time 'round.

Hmmm, in the end, I guess your only question is whether or not to actually spend the effort in starting a hosting service - because I know that once you start it, you won't back down in working your butt off for it until it becomes reputable.

g'luck!! :)

I'm actually going to post on this thread to say one thing;

What is this crap doing in the main webhosting forum? Throw it in the trash or move it to the lounge or something. This doesn't belong here, at all.

That said, I may as well comment. I don't think you should, at least not yet, Dan. Go back to Angen or buy some books and then try again in a few years.

PS: I think Shyne was talking about this attitude. Were you got "been doing this for 7 years" from, really has me wondering. Added, the comment about how you posted this, and why. Are you trying to create "hype" about yourself and your "mad s|<i11z" or something?

Oh, what's the thing that really put it over the top into ridiculousness-ness? That's right. People are afraid of more competition from you and that they might "pheer" you being the big competition with your "mad sk1LLz". If this thread starting, especially in the main forum, wasn't an attempt to try and get yourself attention to launch a web host and try and impress people, I don't know what is. I'll be blunt, because you did this; There's some people here that can pull this type of thing off, get people interested and impress people with the idea. You, Dan, are not one of them.

PSS: I really enjoyed the comment about how you "don't hack _anymore_" and how you "haven't in a couple of years" in the other forum. I guess I missed that, because that leaves about nothing between the time you hadn't and don't. Forgive me here, I'm not trying to get on your case, but when did all this stuff happen and you manage to get another few years of experience since you started? Oh well. I don't think I better post to this thread again, I saw how the other one turned out and I'm not interested. My only final comment is, I don't wonder why Shyne is questioning this or the reasons. (I'm out).

Originally posted by alpha
I don't understand why some of you who posted try to irritate this thread. Daniel is part of WHT as much as anyone else - would you have started questioning or trying to start an argument with others who wanted some opinions?

No one is debating that, at all. It was the manner in which he did it. It's like his post a couple of years ago, after his ultraspeed disaster and how he posted "So, who wants to hire me"? and then this whole attitude of him telling everyone how skilled, important and desirable he is to everyone, was too good for them and was just going to start his own business.

He did it then, like he's doing it now; Not really ever learning what he claims, acts like he's highly skilled, and tries to act arrogant enough to impress people to think he's just "that good", and then the suckers follow him to his "new company". It's sad, really.

Oh, right. I wasn't going to comment again here. I'm going to unsubscribe to this thread, I already know what direction it's headed.

I have to agree with Tim 100% in the case. Daniel, your a great friend, you have taught me alot, and you have helped me alot. But this thread is all but a marketing tactic.

When the sh*t hits the fan and your under stress, you tend to take it out on your customers.

Example: About a year-ish ago I was getting tired of all the downtime with our new server, your response was very explicit, for someone to be paying you more then $1500 a month for two servers, to get that type of response, I was so irate, both John and Paul apologized on your behalf, after that fiasco, you never once IM'ed me in about 6 months afterwards.

Sure I use to bug you almost on a daily basis, why? because you know alot about Cpanel, but you said it yourself, after I asked you if you were interested in coming to WHN, you stated that "Im just an average administrator" and lines to the effect that you knew less then what everyone thought you knew.

I think it would be in your best interest to stay out of the running your own hosting company for a long while and learn from your mistakes.

Tim, I thought this was the web hosting forum, and this is none other than a web hosting topic is it not? If you feel its "crap" then I don't even know why you replied or showed any interest in it, but since you did then I will respond.

I'm not sure why my past is such a mystery. Back in 1995 I dabbled in WebPages etc, 96-97 I got involved with the management of an online gaming community, from there it went to managing a free web host for another person, onto amhosting, then to angen, then to ultraspeed and onto ventures and here I am... fairly simple.

Also, Tim, I'm sorry if my few jokes were in bad taste or you didn't understand them, they were directed at either Aussie's comments and/or Shyne's continued restating of the same thing..... so if I need to go back and highlight whatever was suppose to be a joke within the thread then please let me know and I will do so.

Tim, as I keep saying this is not a marketing ploy, advertising tactic or anything other than a simple question, if you believe otherwise then I'm sorry, but I don't know how many times I must state it to make that clear. I value peoples opinions, even yours.

Tim, I highly doubt that you have enough direct or indirect experience with me to comment about what I do or do not know, so I won't respond to you on that level.


Granted I'll agree with you Gary that I'm not the complete best under stress, however, when I have a client acting the way you did at that time I, myself, feel what I did was warranted. I've formatted several times since then so I don't have the logs or remember our conversation very much, but yes I probably said a few things I shouldn't have, and I'm sure John and Paul apologized their rear ends off since that’s their job. But then again.... if that matter really bothered you then why did you hire me later on to move your servers off VO, I mean..... that incident obviously didn't make that much of an impression on you to doubt me. I honestly had forgotten about it, although I do remember it happening.

Again, I appreciate everyone’s opinion. That’s what I'm after in this.

Also, I'm not going to respond any more to comments or accusations that this is a marketing ploy, that was not my intent, so I'll leave that decision up to a moderator and they can handle that question as they see fit, its not my place to decide that.

The question should be can i do it? rather than should i do it?

Correct me if im wrong, but you never done any or much advertesing with VO yeah? Its getting harder and harder to get noticed as a new host, i believe its now very difficult to get customers without putting money into a lot of advertising. Unless you are giving away the world for nothing, but im sure your not going to do that. I think if i had started splash host 6 months later with the same business plan then it would of probably failed. Do you have the skills to sucesfully market a company?

Ditto what Alan said.

I used to read every new special offer in the WHT Special Offers forum, and for some I'd think that this was a good idea, others I would think that they may not work. But the sheer increase in posts there means I can't keep up with it anymore - this represents the amount of competition.

Saying that, it's far from impossible to start a new, successful host - and I'm sure you have got what it takes. I voted yes, by the way.
As a friend, I believe you may have been unlucky in the past, you may have made some mistakes - but I'm sure you have learnt from them.
Whatever you do, I wish you the best of luck :)

Matt

For those complaining that it is self-promotion, I've moved it to the ad forum, there can't be a complaint about that now at least.

From what I have seen:

Shyne (always)= ! ( DanielP)

Shyne I have read previous thread too. It seems you are ready to jump into every thread that DanielP starts.

If you do not like them just do not come in. Ok? You have always created a serious flame with this kind of behaviour.

I just do not want to see these flames here on WHT.

Mac

Originally posted by SplashHost.com
The question should be can i do it? rather than should i do it?

Correct me if im wrong, but you never done any or much advertesing with VO yeah? Its getting harder and harder to get noticed as a new host, i believe its now very difficult to get customers without putting money into a lot of advertising. Unless you are giving away the world for nothing, but im sure your not going to do that. I think if i had started splash host 6 months later with the same business plan then it would of probably failed. Do you have the skills to sucesfully market a company?
True to a degree. It is difficult to get started but once you get into the 100+ client catagory, it gets easier. I've spent about US$100.00 on overture.com advertising and that's about it. Sales come from word of mouth and Google mainly. Where did most of the SplashHost clients come from?? WHT?? :)

I'm sure that if DanielP decided to launch a hosting business, then he would have the neccessary funds to launch some kind of customer acquisition campaign. Or maybe he'll just use the WHT advertising section?? Some pretty serious business gets done there etc.

well Aussie, from what Daniel says is if VO tired to sue him, all they would get is the shirt of his back and his dirty undies

As for using your services Daniel, yes I was forced to use you because

1. My server was 3 days from being turned off at VO at my request
2. You were the only qualified person i could find

7 days after the move, my programmer/friend completed ServerMove which i finished using on 4 of my machines. If i used you that would have been $3200 i would have to had paid up for all addional 4 machines, good thing Lane finished those scripts :)

Daniel, there is no question you have considerable skills, knowledge, and talent. However, I think it also fair to say that you lack "business maturity" (notice I am not saying personal maturity)-that is, the experience to consider all aspects of developing and managing a successful business and dealing with all the business issues.

That, in and of itself, isn't bad. Most of us are stronger in some areas and weaker in others. In fact, I would imagine that is what led you to partnering. So, I offer the following advice:

Two ways to go...maybe option 1 at first, then option 2.

1) Start and stay small...just what you can personally handle, all on a cash basis...no delusions of grandeur. Simple.

2) Start a business, but find an experienced advisor to help guide you. Don't make them a partner-pay them for services rendered. If you can't afford that at this point, then build through option 1 until you can.

We all should seek assistance from those with expertise or experience to complement our own. None of us can know it all...not you, not me. The surest way to find disaster is to believe you know it all.

Also, learn from past experiences. I do not know all the details of either of your past business ventures and really don't care for all the mud slinging which has taken place. However, experience tells me that the truth is somewhere in between the contrasting versions of the story and the accusations. If you believe that the mistakes were all the other person's, that the other party was all wrong and you were all right, then you will never learn. Better to spend your energy now, not on what was done to you, but on what you could have done better and how you can do it better next time.

Originally posted by wmac
From what I have seen:

Shyne (always)= ! ( DanielP)

Shyne I have read previous thread too. It seems you are ready to jump into every thread that DanielP starts.

If you do not like them just do not come in. Ok? You have always created a serious flame with this kind of behaviour.

I just do not want to see these flames here on WHT.

Mac

<<Removed: Just rude, nothing of value>>

Neat, i've got my own fan club now.

I'm just curious what makes you Shyne such an expert on the subject? :)

This isn't exactly going anywhere, is it...