I don't have any experience with HSpere, only CPanel... so I wanna ask you is there any big different between two of them?

I'm going to move the server, not to sign up new account. So is there any big change that make me have to change my scripts?

Plus, the server spec are the same, the network connection are the same too.

I really like HSphere. It's "pretty", fast and flexible. HSphere is relatively new to me too while Cpanel is used by all other accounts I've had for years (so maybe I just got bored of CPanel?!). I haven't noticed the needs to change any scripts yet.

While we're at it: Can someone please list some hosts that provide HSphere? I only know of one, and I'd like to have a backup plan just in case. I've been looking around but have only seen hosts using CPanel, Plesk, and Enzim.

I know that webauthorities and multipleimage offer h-sphere.

Go on to psoft.net and look at their partner's page.

Peter

www.Zeonhost.com and their great.

But I goin' to move server... not to sign up new account... I don't know if it will affect my current site...

I used to swear by CPanel, but I have got used to H-Sphere now and really like it, I think it is a quality Control Panel, I'm hosted with ecommercediscovery, and really am glad I chose them.

Im hosted with ECD too... but I can't get used of it's subdomains managerment...

It seem to point some of my subdomain to my main-domain... by random...

I personally like cpanel and thats why we use it on our servers. Its a thing that has grown while our company has grown. We have been tempted to change to H-sphere but only due to you being able to delegate services to other servers. Such as have a server for mail, one for ftp.. you get the picture.

If cpanel was able to do this... thats all im asking :)

Craig

Originally posted by Craig
We have been tempted to change to H-sphere but only due to you being able to delegate services to other servers. Such as have a server for mail, one for ftp.. you get the picture.


You are no tempted with:
- FreeBSD/Linux/Windows2k support?
- a true multiple domains solution?
- a built in trouble ticket?
- a built in Billing management (end user/administrator)?
- a detailed traffic stats for FTP/Web/Email?
- and some others that I am sure CPanel won't have?

Come on ... you have to try HSphere :) we just upgraded to HSphere 2.1 and the look is really good. I will take a snap shot one day.

regards,
-dave

CPanel for us, simply because even if we are bored with it - clients like it, it's easy to administer and it has plenty added extras, shopping carts etc....

It's a good sales tool....

Originally posted by Dotcomsnz
CPanel for us, simply because even if we are bored with it - clients like it, it's easy to administer and it has plenty added extras, shopping carts etc....


How do you know if your clients won't like HSphere? :) We move some clients from Cpanel to HSphere and they like it :)

regards,
-dave

hehe,

I guess it's stick with what works and what you know for us......
I like the one off licensing of HSphere but just aren't convinced that it will sell as well as CPanel.

My 2 cents :-)

Originally posted by Dotcomsnz
hehe,

I guess it's stick with what works and what you know for us......
I like the one off licensing of HSphere but just aren't convinced that it will sell as well as CPanel.

My 2 cents :-)

It sells better :) From our experience anyway, all the people who we have moved from CPanel to HSphere prefer it much much more. Also you have much better control over what is offered to your clients, if you don't want to offer some lame ass feature that has been added then you don't have to edit your theme just to remove it. Try HSphere and you'll wonder why you ever used CPanel.

OK,

I'm gonna take another look at H-Sphere (in fear of Karl beating me up :-)

If anything has changed since the last time, I'll evaluate it!! OK?

Whimpers away after a hard sell from bully boy tactics ... lol

OK worth another look if you insist.. lol

Stay cool..

Damn, I should be on a comission :D

I think i would rather pay a fixed monthly fee rather than on a per-client basis..

Would be nice to see that as an option too :)

Of course the FreeBSD and windows compatability is an excellent selling point. We get an awful lot of requests for this.. it could be worth another look.

Would be nice though if cpanel could introduce this though :)

Craig.

Originally posted by Craig
I think i would rather pay a fixed monthly fee rather than on a per-client basis..


Your decision to go with a fixed monthly fee vs. a per-client basis should be based on what solution provides you with the most effective long term solution. Lets say you sell large cPanel web accounts for people and you only get 20 accounts on a server. (and you have the lowest rate cPanel of $20/month). Your cost per client is $1/month. Over a year, you've paid three times as much as a H-Sphere license would have cost you. So that would not be a cost effective solution for you. It would be cheaper to have them with H-Sphere.

However, if your business model was to pack 200 users on a cPanel server, your cost per client is $.10/month. It would then take 45 months to match the cost of the H-Sphere license. In this case, it would be more cost effective to use cPanel.

However, if you were paying $90/month for the cPanel server, 200 clients would then cost you .45/month. Or $5.40/year. You then would be paying more after 10 months to use cPanel than you would pay going with a per-client fee of $4.50.

(Note, this doesn't account for features each panel offer that you may need for your business. Those features can force you to use a particular panel).

Hopefully this helps you think more about the true costs of what each panel charges the operator in the long run...

Hal

Ok.. so if its worked out on per account basis, i have a question.
What happens if you get a new client and they leave after 2 months or so. If you get another client once they have left do you have to buy another hsphere liecnece?

Do you understand what i mean?

Basically, is it PER domain or can you use it for another domain if a client leaves.

Craig

If they leave then the license is returned back to YOUR pool of free licenses to be used.

hmmm interesting :)

No setup fee's or anything?

Craig

Once you've bought a license (from PSoft, or your chosen reseller) it is yours forever more.

Originally posted by Craig
Basically, is it PER domain or can you use it for another domain if a client leaves.


HSPhere license is not per domain, but rather per account. A client can create an account with you and then create 10 domains within it and you still pay for one license for that client. When the client leaves, as somebody has already told you, you license goes back to your pool and ready to be used by new clients.

The cost of HSPhere license is $4.5/license (if you buy direct from them), or can be lower if you buy from HSphere resellers, as low as $2/license (internal license, for example if you colo you box in this hsphere reseller's data center).

Anybody else interested in HSphere? :D

cheers,
:beer:

I did look into H-Sphere before I bought an Ensim licence. The thing that turned me off was people saying it was a resource hog if you ran it on just the one server. Also the fact licences had to be bought in packs of 50 turned me off. I could probably manage with 20 or 25 licences. No good paying for 25 licences I'm never going to use...

HSphere runs fine on any decent spec server, we've been running it on one server for a while till we got the rest of our kit sorted.

you mean you are not ? LOL

Just my 2 cents as a customer/end user:

I like H-Sphere much better because it allows me to do so much more than what I can on CPanel+WHM and is so much more straightforward and slightly faster. It's perfect for customers like me who run many domains under one master account : Each domain and subdomain has its own full set of features like a stand-alone account, however I can still manage them easily all in one centralized control panel/ftp account with one user name.

With CPanel/WHM I "must" set up each domain with a different real path, user name, control panel, ftp etc (if I don't want to just point it to a subfolder of the main domain). H-Sphere does have this option to set up separate user names/ftp accounts/control panels for each domain, which is necessary if you're reselling, but it's nice that I don't "have to" use it.

And in H-Sphere I'm able to configure the DNS records, httpd, etc, of each domain/subdomain, which is not possible in CPanel+ WHM (unless your WHM is for server owner, not just reseller). It has worked out really well. I have to admit it came as a pleasant surprise because H-Sphere was new to me while I had been using CPanel for years.

For someone like me who own all the domains in the account (not reselling), prefer centralized administration for all domains, and need the advanced features and flexibility, H-Sphere is such a lifesaver, seriously.

I've seen the demo of Plesk and Ensim and it seems they work more or less like H-Sphere (but not as pretty yet). It's great news for us customers that more control panels are going this direction. I still have accounts with hosts that use CPanel+WHM so I'd really love to see CPanel/WHM come up with similar integration and features.

Now, it's really great to hear the end-user evaluates HSphere especially since you have much longer experience with CPanel. I guess we made a right decision to switch fo HSphere :)

regards,
Dave@FluidHosting.com

And my suggestions to hosts offering H-Sphere (and Plesk probably):

I haven't seen any H-Sphere hosts use the flexibility, ease of use, and advanced features of H-Sphere as a selling point yet. I stumbled upon a H-Sphere host and discovered its advantages "by accident". Before that I hadn't realized there was a difference. It would be great for business if the hosts mention it. I know that as a customer I love it.

The same probably goes for Plesk - I've seen in several forums where some customers said they loved how Plesk integrated CPanel+WHM into one control panel but offered even more (just like H-Sphere I assume). It's clear that there is a demand for such integration.

Besides, control panels like H-Sphere and Plesk can be a great tool to retain customers. I know H-Sphere and Plesk probably gear toward multiple-domain hosting and many hosts probably don't want to offer multiple-domain hosting. But the way I see it (as a customer): It's very easy to switch hosts when you have only one domain with a host that offers CPanel and there's tons of other hosts out there that offer the same CPanel, but when you have consolidated several domains in one account and have got used to the convenience and advanced features of H-Sphere or Plesk, you're highly unlikely to move (unless something goes terribly wrong). I know that's the case for me now. I'm happy with my current hosts - some offer H-Sphere and most offer CPanel/WHM, but I know when I look for a new host I'll prefer the ones that offer multiple-domain hosting AND H-SPhere (or Plesk - I haven't had the opportunity to use it yet so I can't really scomment.), regardless of the price tag.

Hosts probably have other concerns when deciding which control panel to offer, but this is my 2 cents as a customer.