BurstNET™ DEDICATED SERVER
SPECIAL $99.95* OFFER!
400Mhz Intel Processor
6.4GB IDE Hard Drive
64MB PC-100 SDRAM
10GB Bandwidth / 5 IP Addresses
Red Hat Linux 6.2 / Apache 1.3.12
Web Browser Control Panel
Web Host Manager Admin Interface

$99.95 Setup
$99.95 Monthly*

* $149.95 per month after 3 months.
* Minimum 6 month contract length.
* Available to new signups only.
* $4/GB for extra bandwidth.
* Limited time offer.

For more info: http://www.burst.net/servers/


[Edited by BurstNET on 01-31-2001 at 08:50 PM]

Do yourself a favor, BurstNET, that deal is garabge you dont understand what happens after 3 months, the prices go up. Your nuts, pal

Get a grip will you?

If I was a dedicated server shopping, I wouldnt choose yours, 3 months then I'm being increased, thats crazy!

burstnet makes that perfectly clear in their ad:
" $149.95 per month after 3 months. "

$149.95 is about the cheapest i have ever seen a server running cpanel3. adding to that that the first three months are only $99.95, only makes it an even better deal.

to me this is a perfect way for someone to get started in the hosting business, without having to resell, and being able to afford a server from the start. when they sell a few accounts they can afford to pay more for their server.
if i was just starting off i would probably order this.

I have to agree .. the price is not bad

Perfectly clear is stating the stiplulation in the same sentance, not put a * there hoping that people wont see it.

That is called legal misinformation.

Companies do it because they can. However, they are obviously dishonest and it is up to the person to decide if they deserve your buisness or not. I for one stear clear from dishonest buisnesses.

I don't see how you couldn't notice it.. its 2 lines down from it :-)

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$99.95 Monthly*

* Minimum 6 month contract length.
* $149.95 per month after 3 months.
-------------------------------------------------------------

mysitehost: Please look up the term "loss leader" in any business/advertising book. You'll find that it is one of the most widely used advertising gimmicks around.

If we wanted to be dishonest, we would have just left the asterisk (*) on the ad, and posted the info somewhere on our policy page. We specifially put the info in the same font size, right on the page with the ad, amongst other relevant data, so that the reader could not miss it.
We felt that if we used the line:
"$99.95 Monthly, for the first three months, $149.95 monthly for months four and ahead"
...would be too long, and not have the same advertising affect.
So we did it the way we did, in plain english, and with honorable intentions.

NOTE: If someone wishes to pay $149.95 monthly starting with the first month, so that the price does not go up after three months, you are more than welcome to :-)

Sean R.
BurstNET™

Why have it two lines down and not be up front about it? Because you want to hide it from people without it being illegal.

I mean come on, it takes less to write the extra litle bit to say how long the $99 deal will go for in one line, then seperate it with a *

then type

------------------------
disclaimer crap here
-----------------------------------

gimme a break.



[Edited by mysitehost on 01-31-2001 at 07:31 PM]

If you are not 100% up front with people, no matter what, then you cannot be a trusted source. If you have to split up a sales pitch in such a way, then deep down it is in the hopes that people wont see it until they are either billed $149 without them knowing, or they find out about it when they go to sign up to this exciting offer, but do it anyways because they don'tw ant to look any more.

I am just using you as more of an example than anything else. It is not to say specifically that you are 100% dishonest about your thinking, and intentions. But what you are do is a failing and obsoleted buisness practice that, even now, is killing a lot of companies on the internet.

That practice is corporate thinking and dogma. Buisness formats in the like do not work on the internet. There will be a lot of new shat coming around int he next 6 months. Maybe it's just some sort of life boat I am trying to throw your way in the back of my mind. I dunno.

All I know, is that 100% full disclosure and honesty without any rule bending will be the wave of the future.

It is a strong feeling I have on this.

Would you prefer that lines;
* Minimum 6 month contract length.
* $149.95 per month after 3 months.
were reversed...
So that the $149.95 line was the line directly below the $99.95 per month line?

Sean R.
BurstNET™

That way there is next to no chance of them missing it.
And it would be obvious you are making a point of making sure they see what you have to say.

Updated.
(switched the two lines around)
OK, now back to business...
:-)

Sean R.
BurstNET™

In case anyone was wondering:

All parts on these $99.95 Server Deals are name brand, quality parts; Intel Motherboard w/Onboard LAN & Video, Enlight 1U Rackmount Server Case, Intel Celeron Processor, Kingston or Crucial PC100/133 SDRAM, Maxtor/Western Digital UDMA 66/100 EIDE Hard Drive.

Sean R.
BurstNET™

How much would it be with 128mb ram, and an 18gig HD?
Where are you finding 6.4 gig drives too for that matter?

please contact our Sales Dept directly for custom configurations.
Better off not cluttering the forums with sales quotes ;-)

As far as the drives go, we deal with a dozen major US distributors for our parts, and some overstock warehouses that still have carton loads of them.

Sean R.
BurstNET™

Humm

I have to say, I'm another host, and I too sell dedicated, the damm 149.00 price is quite good, if you think about it, the rackspace on VDI is 150.00 alone, afcorse once you have your own rack, that price is dropped, but neither the less, it's sill an impressive price

why you guys are bittering about the * I don't know

I looked at it, saw the terms 2 lines down, ok .. good price .. done :D

I don't know either. It seems the comments have been helpful (though some are worded harshly). Ease up a bit though, whooo. We want poeple to post offers and special without coming down too hard on them.

The $99* sucks you in but they do plainly state it. Maybe it is clearer now than it was before I read it?

-anyway, carry on... :)

Don't worry Chicken, mysitehost and I had a 60 minute chat earlier this evening. We got along great, and he very much likes our advertising methods :-)

Sean R.
BurstNET™

Sean !!!

You no good host .. how dare you charge 99.00 ..

Come back when it's FREE .. hehe :D

j/k

I don't see what the problem is either, it's a common marketing idea, when someone sees an asterisk they automatically look for the one that explains what it means - It's a standard. Like Sean said at least they put the explanation of the * on the same page - I have seen quite a few that don't.

That certainly is a good deal.

Hey BurstNET. I just have one comment on your site. When I visited, your site, I got jumped by suppoty guy.(Like human click.) without any warning. I felt I was offended somewhat.
He didn't even answer questions(actually complains about the no-warning-chat-window.) Maybe, you can make a wanring and an option(Accept chat or not) before chat window pops?

Thanks.

We do attempt to chat with most visitors to our website.
This is only good business. You wouldn't think twice about it if you went into a clothing store and someone asked if they could help you. We answer all general sales and support questions thru the chat interface on our website. We cannot answer extremely technical questions or sysadmin questions thru this method though, because it is not our tech support staff the utilizes this sales tool. We find chatting with potential clients lets them know that we are easy to get along with, and they are dealing with real people, not a static website.
So far the system has been very effective. There have been some people that did not want to be bothered, but if they ignore us, we do not attempt to chat them a second time.

Regards
Sean R.
BurstNET™

There have been some people that did not want to be bothered, but if they ignore us, we do not attempt to chat them a second time.


I was one of them who did not want to be bothered.

Sean,

Hate to take this even farther off topic -- but it keeps your post at the top so I am sure you don't mind :)

How do the Enlight 1U Rackmount Server that you use hold-up in the racks? Have you noticed any heat problems, HD failues, CPU failues due to the heat? Also, what case do you use? The 2100SX1R?

Scott

> How do the Enlight 1U Rackmount Server that you use > hold-up in the racks?
> Have you noticed any heat problems, HD failues, CPU > failures due to the heat?
> Also, what case do you use? The 2100SX1R?

ENLIGHT EN-2100SX1R
Major problems with heat.
But we have found it all dependant on the motherboard used.
Some just seem to run cool with that case, and others not.
DO NOT use the Asus CUSI boards in these cases, they seem to overheat after only a few minutes. It may be the boards overheat in any case, we have not gotten to testing them with other cases either way. The most stable boards we have found in our testing is the Intel CA810EAL and D815EEAAL models. haven't had a single problem with either yet.

Sean R.
BurstNET™

Originally posted by BurstNET
Don't worry Chicken, mysitehost and I had a 60 minute chat earlier this evening. We got along great, and he very much likes our advertising methods :-)

Good to hear. I figured all was somewhat well since I didn't get anything in my inbox. Yet... :)

Nice price on the server by the way. I have a thing for 1U's...

(tangent... what tangent?)

Hello
I just posted this in a similar thread on another board before I saw this one.

I am sure Burst.net will be happy to keep it at the top of the board....


I had a look at it.
Its quite a good deal.
The only problem is they give you 10GB bandwidth and then charge $4 overage.
100GB = $400

I pay $450 / month per server at UltraspeedUSA and thats with 100GB , plus its a PIII 700 with 256 MB RAM.

To get that spec of package at Burst.net would cost double that(?).

I also think they are being very cheeky charging $2 per month per additional IP.
I pay 50c and think thats a bit steep!

Gordon

scottlaw:

Also, be prepared to search high and low for CPU fans that will fit in those cases, and allow enogh air flow between th case lid and the fan top. You may find ones that ft, but most don't seem to cool enough. You'll find good combinations after much testing.

Sean R.
BurstNET™

IP address costs have been redunced today!
$5/setup & $5/monthly per block of 10 IPs.

Sean R.
BurstNET™

About the CPU Fans

http://rackmountpro.com/productpage.cfm?prodid=401

These have never let us down, really nice, and I agree with Sean .. the Intel D815EEAAL has been a favorite of mine too :)

It's taken me long enough, but I should point out that the price hike after 3 months is not an uncommon marketing ploy and it is legal, as long as it is clearly stated within the text of the ad and not hidden inside a TOC or the small print. Thus I think Burst's offer is quite fair.

I have a general question about this deal and other deals made by hosts in general. Please note I am not picking on Burst.net, but since I am actually considering this offer I thought I would ask it here. Why is there an additional monthly charge for additional ram? This package comes with 64k and I am thinking I need 512k. I have no beef with paying additional set-up fees upfront but why an extra $10 per month for each 64k? Is there an ongoing expense with the Ram? Is there some maintenance that goes along with the ram that I am not aware of?

Originally posted by JSMITH
Is there an ongoing expense with the Ram? Is there some maintenance that goes along with the ram that I am not aware of?

Simple explanation.... some people like to make money in whatever way they can :) I always wonder the same....

cheers,
:beers:

That is the way we structure our pricing.
If you order a 800mhz system, you are going to pay more than a 400mhz system...same situation with ram/memory.
We can afford to offer that $99.95 deal, in the hopes that clients will sell alot of websites, require more bandwidth, IP addresses, hard drives, and memory. We are basically gambling that with this offer, the client will grow. When the client grows, BurstNET™ has the right to make a profit as well. Sure, $65 setup may be a little pricy, and we may be lowering that a little...that price has been posted since the RAM inflation of early 2000. This is not a co-location offer, where we do not care what specs your machine is, this is a managed dedicated server.

Sean R.
BurstNET™

Wow $455 in additional set-up fees for going to 512K if I understand you correctly, and then an additional monthly cost of $70 per-month. The problem from my prospective is that I would not be reselling the space on the machine. I would be using it just for one big site and a couple of my smaller sites so I would not be making any additional money to cover the increased costs. Since I want to move away from a shared account, to a dedicated account the price difference between the two seems astronomical from my prospective. Specifically I am running a forum just like this one and that is what I need the ram for. If I went with the stock 64k I would not even be able have the 30 users on my BBS at one time that I have now. I guess I will have to keep looking.

We are willing to look at things on a case by case basis.
If you are using it for one site, and not reselling services, we may be able to work out a custom deal with you.
Please contact our sales dept directly to negotiate such.
We are just used to clients wanting to use the machines for shared hosting, and wanting us to pay them to use our servers. :-(

Sean R.
BurstNET™