I am wondering if I am the only one here that smokes a bit of marjuana every now and then. Just answer yes or no.

.

You didn't even spell it right :o ;)

CrackHost.com?

Hey, it's available! :)

-Matt

we called it.. chonkie, juts, omads
I smoked that stuff when i was 15, after that i learned how to smoke cigarette. :D

I dont think anyone will post that they "puff the magic dragon" here, it's not very good publicity. Most people aren't very open minded, and they may look at a company negatively just because of this.

Who voted Yes?

Come on. You can say.

Oh . . . Wait . . . I know.

I'll ask a mod.

I don't know if many people would admit they puff the magical dragon... :smokin: Might be bad for their company or it could be they don't want to admit they're doing something illegal. :smash:

Originally posted by fractiousws
I am wondering if I am the only one here that smokes a bit of marjuana every now and then. Just answer yes or no.

I do, and I don't mind saying I do either. In my mind there is nothing wrong with this drug whatsover. Why some on here are suggesting I should be made to feel like I cannot publically acknowledge my usage is beyond me.

To me the rediculous waste of public resources pursuing users of this drug which only has effects on the actual user themselves is the real social evil in this debate. The millions of dollars spent in the courts and prisons locking up people who use it is a crazy waste of money which could be better used in other areas which could make better use of it.

I realise some on here will have completely different views, but I had to have my say on this one, it's a real big issue to me.

Yes,

:D oops

http://www.norml.org


My father was a charter member when he was a teenager :D


Not saying that I smoke weed, its baaaaaaaaaaad......
Might end up living in a van, down by the river...

I find that most people have at some point in their life. Out of all the people I've ever known or met, I think maybe 4 of them never did. However, most the people that did/do, usually end up growing up and stop doing it.

As for there being nothing wrong with it, well, I guess that depends on your view. If you don't mind harming your body and mind, then sure it's just fine and there's nothing wrong with it.

Not saying that I smoke weed, its baaaaaaaaaaad...... Might end up living in a van, down by the river...

Wow! This would be a huge step up for me. Where can I find this stuff called ... weed? Is it free? Does it have a 30 day guarantee? Can you get it in unlimited? Can I resell it?

Do you know if RackShack offers it?

living in a van down by the river,

well, not got the van yet but,

got a great view :D

Originally posted by UmBillyCord


Wow! This would be a huge step up for me. Where can I find this stuff called ... weed? Is it free? Does it have a 30 day guarantee? Can you get it in unlimited? Can I resell it?

Do you know if RackShack offers it?

They might, but I doubt they will support you and or your habbit, and might just format you if your to much trouble :D


Can I get a managed bong? :stickout

Bong water baaaad. Don't drink the bong water.

I like Mary Jane.

I have never smoked marijuana and guarantee that I never will smoke anything in the future.

As for the one who said that they don't understand why the government spends a lot of money pursuing users of marijuana and making it illegal - I don't know if you are a medical professional, but I am sure that there are alot of medical professionals who agree that using marijuana 'just because' is comletely unncessary and harmful to human body. I guess this is the same to cigarette or cigar smoking, but then again, there are arguments that cigarettes aren't as bad as marijuana and etc.

One reason why I hate drug users is because:

1) alot of them don't know what the heck they are doing and do it because of 'someone else' does it.

2) fit in - peer pressure - I think there are alot more people who don't smoke then those who do :)

3) look cool - this is often used - kinda funny - i find those who smoke anything compulsively or try to look like those actors or actresses in movies by smoking with a pose look stupid but yet still amusing ;)

If you're already addicted to nicotine in cigarettes, or smoke other things constantly, I'm sorry - you're wasting valuable time and money.

Originally posted by alpha
I have never smoked marijuana and guarantee that I never will smoke anything in the future.

Have you ever consumed an alcoholic beverage?

Originally posted by alpha
. . . . . . ., there are arguments that cigarettes aren't as bad as marijuana . . . . . .:eek: I thought that was the other way around. :eek2:

:bawling: Now I'll have to switch. :bawling:





Well . . . if I had a reason I needed to switch, that is. The above was just another of my attempts to inject humor into this sometimes humorless forum. :D

Originally posted by ToastyX


Have you ever consumed an alcoholic beverage?

Yes
- please don't tell me I can smoke alcoholic beverages... lol

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
As for there being nothing wrong with it, well, I guess that depends on your view. If you don't mind harming your body and mind, then sure it's just fine and there's nothing wrong with it.

Care to point me in the direction of any proof you have to back this claim?

I do smoke occasionally, and I'm not ashamed to say so either. Its my own lifestyle choice, and if you can not accept that, to bad for you. And as the Rasta's clearly point out:

Psalms 104:14, "He causeth the grass for the cattle, and herb for the service of man".
". . . thou shalt eat the herb of the field " (Genesis 3:18)
". . . eat every herb of the land " (Exodus 10:12)
"Better is a dinner of herb where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith" (Proverbs 15:17)

Not that im a bible man, but really, you can't tell what I can and can't put in my body.

Originally posted by alpha


Yes
- please don't tell me I can smoke alcoholic beverages... lol

I am sure that there are a lot of medical professionals who agree that consuming alcoholic beverages "just because" is completely unnecessary and harmful to the human body. Alcohol is a drug, and if you consume alcoholic beverages, then you too are a drug user. Alcohol and nicotine in cigarettes are physiologically addictive, which means your body can become dependent on them. Marijuana is not physiologically addictive. You cannot become dependent on marijuana. Marijuana can become psychologically addictive, but so can WebHostingTalk and video games. Take a person under the influence of a large amount of alcohol and take another person under the influence of a large amount of marijuana. You will see that the person under the influence of marijuana has much more control over their mind and body than the person that's plastered. Maybe it's alcohol that should be illegal...

Originally posted by alpha
I have never smoked marijuana and guarantee that I never will smoke anything in the future.

As for the one who said that they don't understand why the government spends a lot of money pursuing users of marijuana and making it illegal - I don't know if you are a medical professional, but I am sure that there are alot of medical professionals who agree that using marijuana 'just because' is comletely unncessary and harmful to human body. I guess this is the same to cigarette or cigar smoking, but then again, there are arguments that cigarettes aren't as bad as marijuana and etc.

One reason why I hate drug users is because:

1) alot of them don't know what the heck they are doing and do it because of 'someone else' does it.

2) fit in - peer pressure - I think there are alot more people who don't smoke then those who do :)

3) look cool - this is often used - kinda funny - i find those who smoke anything compulsively or try to look like those actors or actresses in movies by smoking with a pose look stupid but yet still amusing ;)

If you're already addicted to nicotine in cigarettes, or smoke other things constantly, I'm sorry - you're wasting valuable time and money.

Everything you said is just stereotyping.

I dunno anyone who died from smoming marijuana.

From this site (http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3375)

"Enforcing marijuana prohibition costs taxpayers an estimated $10 billion annually and results in the arrest of more than 734,000 individuals per year -- far more than the total number of arrestees for all violent crimes combined, including murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault."

What a huge waste of resources.

Originally posted by Haze
Care to point me in the direction of any proof you have to back this claim?


You should take up reading. I'm not going to do research for you.


I do smoke occasionally, and I'm not ashamed to say so either.


So?


Its my own lifestyle choice,


I never said it wasn't, did I?


and if you can not accept that,


When did I say I had a problem with what you did to yourself? When did I act like or say I wasn't able to accept the fact that you did or anyone else did? Why are you side-tracking and making things up? Please show me where I said this.


to bad for you.


Yeah, and I suppose it would be -- if I *cared*.


And as the Rasta's clearly point out:


Uh uh...


Psalms 104:14, "He causeth the grass for the cattle, and herb for the service of man".


Are you trying to be funny?

FYI, that verse was taken out of context; It continues ... "...and herb for the service of man: that he may bring food out of the earth". Do you think "herb" means big fat cola buds?


". . . thou shalt eat the herb of the field " (Genesis 3:18)


Do you know what an herb is?


". . . eat every herb of the land " (Exodus 10:12)


Yeah, big fat, sticky, juicy herbs with big purple hairs going through it, right? *L*


"Better is a dinner of herb where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith" (Proverbs 15:17)


Heh heh... I don't think you're serious, or are you trying to be?


Not that im a bible man, but really, you can't tell what I can and can't put in my body.

Hey, listen, goof. When did I ever say I should or would want to tell you what to do with your body? Geez, drink rat poison for all I care. Don't try and turn what I said around, simply because *you* can't deal with *my* view on this. I think you're been smoking too much pot, pal.

Originally posted by Shyne
I dunno anyone who died from smoming marijuana.

I don't know anyone that's died from alcohol either. However, are we going to deny that people under the influence of any type of drug (including alcohol) or even over the counter medicine don't have their judgment impaired and don't get people killed in car wrecks? What people do in their own home, is fine with me. However, don't act like it has no consequences when it impairs your motor functions, reaction time and sense of reality. After all, this is what getting high or medicated does to people. If they do it at home, so what. People that think it's not going to matter at all in any situation are either lying or ignorant though.

Originally posted by davehooper.net
From this site (http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3375)

"Enforcing marijuana prohibition costs taxpayers an estimated $10 billion annually and results in the arrest of more than 734,000 individuals per year -- far more than the total number of arrestees for all violent crimes combined, including murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault."

What a huge waste of resources.

Yeah, good thing you pulled that "information" off a site that is trying to poromote and condone the usage of this drug and make it legal. Not biased or anything, is it? Perhaps $10 billion on all the drugs, mostly drugs like cocaine. Get the stats from another site and I'll consider them in this discussion.

Okay, here's a thought then:

"Parents, educators, faith and community leaders recognize that youth drug use is a serious issue in this country, and they work tirelessly to educate children about the dangers of substance abuse. Today there is a new reason to continue this important effort: the illegal drug trade is linked to the support of terror groups across the globe. Buying and using illegal drugs is not a victimless crime-it has negative consequences that can touch the lives of people around the world."

I got that off a site too. Does this mean you're supporting terrorists? Because that's what that site says.

so there's no reason why money's being spent to stop marijuana users?

hey, let me ask you this way - do you want YOUR kid to smoke marijuana? doing extasy? sniffing up another type of drug? getting doped up? seeing their parents smoking marijuana? if so, then you are currently underage / not married / don't want kids - if you want these things for your kids and have kids right now, then you should just run over your kids life right now (sorry for being so harsh - but that is an exaggeration)

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
Get the stats from another site and I'll consider them in this discussion.

http://www2.ari.net/home/poverty/mh9606.html
http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wod/costs.html
http://www.drugpolicy.org/action/fact_economic.html

Let me know if you'd like some more. I'm a little busy right now, but happy to do the searches for you if it's important to the discussion.

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
. . . . . it impairs your motor functions, reaction time and sense of reality. . . . . .:cartman: That kinda sounds a lot like web hosting.

Originally posted by alpha
so there's no reason why money's being spent to stop marijuana users?

hey, let me ask you this way - do you want YOUR kid to smoke marijuana? doing extasy? sniffing up another type of drug? getting doped up? seeing their parents smoking marijuana? if so, then you are currently underage / not married / don't want kids - if you want these things for your kids and have kids right now, then you should just run over your kids life right now (sorry for being so harsh - but that is an exaggeration)

We weren't talking about kids here. You wouldn't want YOUR kid to drink alcohol, so should alcohol be illegal too?

Well... lets see this scenario - You were peacefully smoking a joint in your room while suddenly your next door neighbor who's just a kid comes over - would you quickly put away your joint or keep smoking in front of him?

1) If you put away your joint - why? Because you don't want to let them see that you're smoking something that every kid is told not to be influenced by?

2) If you don't put away your joint and keep smoking it - WOW - nice way to be a role model.


and also, drinking is a bit different tho, isn't it? last time i checked, people can't get a pack of marijuana in the third aisle of the local grocery store - but alcohol - people can. i don't wanna even know how people get marijuana... buy from crackhead dealers?

and actually, I am currently underage and AM allowed to drink under responsible adult supervision. When I was in high school, I would tell my parents that I would be going to a party and alcoholic beverages will be available. It's about educating kids of the risk involved in drinking - teaching them to control peer pressure etc.

Originally posted by davehooper.net

http://www2.ari.net/home/poverty/mh9606.html


Where was there a mention of ~$10 billion spent on fighting this particular drug on that page?


http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wod/costs.html


A hippy site, and no mention of this cost you posted earlier.


http://www.drugpolicy.org/action/fact_economic.html



Said: "In 2000, the National Drug Control budget exceeds $18 billion".

You're telling me that $10 billion is spent on pot, while only $8 billion is spent on cocaine, crack, opium, XTC, etc.? I don't think so. Noted, that money is spent to fight drugs, but a lot of it also goes to anti-drug campaigns too. Mind you also, I don't like it, but also keep in mind, that I don't see my street taxes going to pay for street repairs either and they are still going to take that same amount of tax money from us, drug war or not. So, saying that it's costing us money, isn't accurate, since we pay this money for things that will never benefit us anyway. Can you imagine how much it would cost to deal with things on the other side of this view, if this particular drug was legalized? Think about that too, if this is the best aspect you can use in a debate about this.

Seat belts were required in a lot of states years ago, because people were not wearing them, getting in car crashes and ending up having tax money support them. This was into a lot of money too. That might be a poor example, but lot's of things cost money, and even without those things, you're still going to be paying just as much taxes. Beating your wife is illegal too, some people enjoy it and think it's only their business. A lot of scum bags that do that, go to jail and who's tax money pays for that? Should we make it legal? Oh, right, beating your wife isn't a victimless crime, but marijuana is. No one has ever beaten someone, stolen or killed or crashed a car and killed someone because of marijuana, right? Noted as well; 100% of any money made from drugs, will always and eventually make it to the hands of criminals -- and not just petty criminals. You are always, *always* supporting them when you buy drugs. That aspect goes in a lot deeper too. Pretend that's not a fact, if you want.

Tim_Greer: Sorry mate, only the first sentence was directed towards you. I should have pointed that out.

As far as reading, I have done a lot of reading on the subject. In fact im very active in the Cannabis Community some would say. I have done my research, and I'm affraid I can't actually pinpoint and direct proof of your claim that Cannabis affects the mind? Now, you could go and tell me that it makes people go insane. This is not true, it only magnifies an already existing mental illness while you are high. You could tell me that it effects your short term memory if you smoke to much, ask any regular pot smoker and they are likely to admit this, as they have been for many years.

So now people who buy weed are suppose to feel guilty because the money goes to the hands of a criminal? We do a lot of things that support the criminals. Why is weed any different?

Tim_Greer:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/drugs/Story/0,2763,667748,00.html

Edit:
"Although cannabis may worsen some existing mental health problems, the medical experts say there is no evidence that it causes brain damage but that the jury is still out on whether chronic use can lead to mental illness. It also says the evidence is unclear for the claim that chronic cannabis use reduces the male sperm count."

I got more if you want it.

Originally posted by alpha
Well... lets see this scenario - You were peacefully smoking a joint in your room while suddenly your next door neighbor who's just a kid comes over - would you quickly put away your joint or keep smoking in front of him?

1) If you put away your joint - why? Because you don't want to let them see that you're smoking something that every kid is told not to be influenced by?

2) If you don't put away your joint and keep smoking it - WOW - nice way to be a role model.


and also, drinking is a bit different tho, isn't it? last time i checked, people can't get a pack of marijuana in the third aisle of the local grocery store - but alcohol - people can. i don't wanna even know how people get marijuana... buy from crackhead dealers?

and actually, I am currently underage and AM allowed to drink under responsible adult supervision. When I was in high school, I would tell my parents that I would be going to a party and alcoholic beverages will be available. It's about educating kids of the risk involved in drinking - teaching them to control peer pressure etc.

So back to my point, why should marijuana be illegal when it's not even dangerous like alcohol is?

Originally posted by Haze
Tim_Greer: Sorry mate, only the first sentence was directed towards you. I should have pointed that out.

As far as reading, I have done a lot of reading on the subject. In fact im very active in the Cannabis Community some would say.


Okay.


I have done my research, and I'm affraid I can't actually pinpoint and direct proof of your claim that Cannabis affects the mind?


I have to question your claim that you have done research, then. No offense by that comment, I'm being genuine.


Now, you could go and tell me that it makes people go insane.


I don't claim that. It can alter people's state of mind when they do it though and it does to a lot of people, and in many ways (and different people can be affected different ways). Could it make someone insane? Yes, it *could*. I believe I've seen enough real-life evidence to support that. Does it make the majority of people insane just by using it? No, I don't think so. Does it affect your brain in negative ways? Yes. It does for everyone. More research will show you this. People have kept journals showing that they couldn't remember what they did the day before even, or even earlier that day, for years. How stoned have you ever been? How good was it? How much tetrahiydracannabinol did it have? Have you been so stoned, that you saw plaid? Did you lay there stoned out of your head and forget your name? No? Yes? If not, it must not have been very good or you didn't smoke enough. If you answer yes, then you know it does affect your mind.


This is not true, it only magnifies an already existing mental illness while you are high.


Could be, maybe. Most people seem insane anyway. Are you going to tell me though, that it didn't affect how you felt? You didn't feel high? Of course you did. What do you think it means to be high? You aren't in reality -- your mind is not functioning properly.


You could tell me that it effects your short term memory if you smoke to much, ask any regular pot smoker and they are likely to admit this, as they have been for many years.

Right, but it doesn't affect your mind, huh? Your research, if you continue it, will reveal that it has more long term effects than short-term memory loss and you will see studies of people that haven't been able to remember things from day to day for over a decade. People think once it goes out of your system that you're clean and the damage has been done. This is not logical or true. methanphetamine will be out of your system in 24 to 48 hours and you can bet that too had long term effects.

Originally posted by Shyne
So now people who buy weed are suppose to feel guilty because the money goes to the hands of a criminal? We do a lot of things that support the criminals. Why is weed any different?

Because buying drugs *always* (100%) of the time, goes to support criminals. Not many other things do in that ratio. There's a big difference.

Originally posted by Haze
Tim_Greer:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/drugs/Story/0,2763,667748,00.html

Edit:
"Although cannabis may worsen some existing mental health problems, the medical experts say there is no evidence that it causes brain damage but that the jury is still out on whether chronic use can lead to mental illness. It also says the evidence is unclear for the claim that chronic cannabis use reduces the male sperm count."

I got more if you want it.

And I can give you more to counter that. The medical community disagrees on everything from mamograms saving lives or not, to if eggs are bad for you or not, to apserine being beneficial or not and so on. And, as that quote says itself "but that the jury is still out on whether chronic use can lead to mental illness". I am not talking in terms of short term use or infrequent use, are you? If not, then you've not really shown anything that helps your side of this debate by posting that. Is it really knew that the medical community "isn't really sure" about yet another thing? I've seen this first hand, I don't have to ask or wonder about suveys, statistics, theories or studies in controlled or varied environments. I've not only seen enough of the scientific evidence, but real-life evidence. You can't say, really, until you see it happen or not. Not happening is not supporting a theory -- while something happening as a result will. I've seen it will, and unless or until you do, it's not something you can really use.

Originally posted by Shyne
So now people who buy weed are suppose to feel guilty because the money goes to the hands of a criminal? We do a lot of things that support the criminals. Why is weed any different?

I guess if people want to descend down to the criminal's level of activity and thought - then I guess that's their choice.. but frankly, I rather not...

what are some other things that support criminals? I thought our society would rather prefer to keep them in a little place called prison or jail.

in any case, i guess its people's choices - there's always going to be two sides to this argument. If you want to smoke marijuana and promote it - fine - but majority of people in our society has deemed it as a bad influence on your health (most cases). I really wonder what would happen if everyone smoked marijuana instead of cigarettes if it becomes legal... God help our future! ;)

Originally posted by Tim_Greer


Because buying drugs *always* (100%) of the time, goes to support criminals. Not many other things do in that ratio. There's a big difference.

More the reason for it to be legalized. I wouldn't say I am a pothead or anything, but I do occasionally smoke marijuana. Also, people say the most dangerous thing about weed is you don't know what the dealer could have done to it. Once again if marijuana was legalized the government would be able to control this factor as well.

The reason why buying drugs can support terrorism in any way is because it is Illegal. Terrorists proffit off of illegal activities. If we were allowed to grow our own cannabis, or purchase it off of a local grower, we wouldn't have this problem. Where do you get your seeds? Not from a terrist, how about http://www.emeryseeds.com

Want to see what your hard earned money that is being spent on the WoD is doing:
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=13189

The fact is, the US Gov. has not done any long term research to show that cannabis is harmfull. Want to read up on the past uses of cannabis and why it was criminalized in the 30's read up, ( http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html ) and Tim_Greer, why not sign up for the $100 000 challange? ( http://www.jackherer.com/ ).

Originally posted by fractiousws


More the reason for it to be legalized. I wouldn't say I am a pothead or anything, but I do occasionally smoke marijuana. Also, people say the most dangerous thing about weed is you don't know what the dealer could have done to it. Once again if marijuana was legalized the government would be able to control this factor as well.

i guess if the US government decided to become a terrorist group, other terrorist groups would support our cause and this could help prevent terrorist attacks in the future...

or

if the US government didn't care for terrorist attacks on the US, WTC terrorist attack wouldn't be such a big and tragic news...

:stickout

Originally posted by alpha


i guess if the US government decided to become a terrorist group, other terrorist groups would support our cause and this could help prevent terrorist attacks in the future...


What are you talking about? What your saying does not make any sense :rolleyes:

Ahh forget it. I don't want in the middle of this argument.

I want to know when it became OK for other people to tell ME how to run MY life!

If I want to smoke pot, who has the right to tell me not to? Who is the victim here (if anybody)?

Governments need to learn to stay out of an individuals affairs, and individulas would do well to follow the same advice.

Leave me alone. I am happy, don't tell me what to do.

let me reword it then... or just read the second one if it made more sense to ya...

if the US government want to try to prevent further terrorist attacks on the US... then they should support the terrorist's cause and fight for it and not for freedom. this way, Al Qaeda wouldn't have attacked the US.

it's similar reasoning to your 'if you make this legal, then we wouldn't have to worry about this problem'

like

if we make drinking age to 12, we won't be surprised if couple 12 year olds are killed tomorrow from alcohol poisoning...

and

if we make software piracy legal, we won't have to worry about software piracy!

i can think of million more of these

You can really go on for days about how legalizing it will solve some problems mentioned in this thread (I didn't know that was the point, I thought it was who did it and then why it might be a bad idea to once that aspect was brought up), but let's not forget the reality of what could happen if it was. Personally, I don't like going to concerts and having people smoke it around me. I would hate to imagine being exposed to it outside of every building I walked by. Imagine what society would be like if everyone that wanted to get stoned, could? Imagine how bad it would be with such easy access. Imagine how all these aspects of younger people doing it would be more and more of a reality. It would be so impossible to control it. Not that it is now, but now someone has it, it's a crime. Imagine not knowing who gets a hold of it, does it and possibly abuses it to excess?

So what if it only makes insane people insane. There's a lot of these type of people out there, why set them off? What about the fact too, that people can have it in their car, more access to it, not worries about being caught and a lot more people doing it a lot more frequently? A huge percentage more people would be abusing it and driving, much how people drink and drive now. The prohibition on alcohol didn't work, but if it was kept into effect, you can bet that the drunk driver killing people each year would be a very significant amount less people. Maybe that doesn't matter to you, but it does to people that have someone they care about killed by someone driving under the influence. This would have a significant rise in marijuana related deaths via car accidents. maybe you might be wise or caring enough to not drive under the influence (unless you're stupid enough to think it doesn't affect you to make you a be in poor driving condition), but other people would -- lots of them!

Things would get bad, quick. People would still want other drugs and what do you propose we do? Make all types of drugs legal? Then what? If solving a problem means allowing things that are illegal, to be legalized simply because people want to do it and will either commit crimes or support criminals and bitch that they'd not be doing it, if it were just legal, have a seriously flawed view point. Think about what I mean by that. I'm genuinely serious. This isn't a matter of legalizing it being a solution. There's a lot of ramifications to be taken into account. Nonetheless, it's your life. I don't allow it or welcome it in my house, but I'm not going to tell you that you can't or shouldn't in your home (legal or not)... it's really none of my business.

Anyway, I'm not going to convince any of you that it's not a good thing, because you enjoy it and you will defend it. However, do me a favor though and don't try and be ridiculous enough to misquote what the bible says, because that just completely contradicts a lot of what it teaches and it's just simply not true at all. That said, I don't really have a lot of time or interest to type anymore about this -- and since I'm not posting what I did to convince anyone to not use this particular drug, I really needn't post in regards to it any longer. I don't believe anything I say will have any impact and I've expressed my views about it.

This thread has certainly gone to pot. :(



:pimp: It was once such a happy thread too.

If marijuana will be legal, it is YOUR choice to smoke it or not. No one will force. While it's illegal some people will get it with ANY means necessary.

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
Anyway, I'm not going to convince any of you that it's not a good thing, because you enjoy it and you will defend it. However, do me a favor though and don't try and be ridiculous enough to misquote what the bible says, because that just completely contradicts a lot of what it teaches and it's just simply not true at all. That said, I don't really have a lot of time or interest to type anymore about this -- and since I'm not posting what I did to convince anyone to not use this particular drug, I really needn't post in regards to it any longer. I don't believe anything I say will have any impact and I've expressed my views about it.

amen to that Tim...

Ill let the 'potheads' (hehe, its a joke - don't get offended by it, if you get offended by that joke, you shouldn't be smoking pot, YA HEAR?! :)) go on about marijuana - this thread is way off topic anyways ;)

i guess the only real thing that bothers me is how some people try to influence others to do it for whatever reason - this just pisses me off to no extent!

Originally posted by davehooper.net
I want to know when it became OK for other people to tell ME how to run MY life!


Who told you? I mean, here, anyway? No one here ever said anything. In fact, we all stated clearly that we didn't care what you chose to do. So, I hope that's not directed at people that posted in opposition in this thread.


If I want to smoke pot, who has the right to tell me not to?


You and the law, I guess.


Who is the victim here (if anybody)?


That depends. You and maybe someone else. You anyway. As for someone else, that depends. If you buy from a drug dealer to get your pot, he might have the funds to buy crack to sell to a younger person. Or, he pays for his dope from his supplier and that supplier sells to someone that sells to a kid. How about that? How about someone is high and crashes into a playground of kids? How about he got it from the same guy you got yours from and if you hadn't bought it from him, the guy would have gotten a real job and not been there to sell to the guy that killed 12 school children. How about that? Victimless crime? I think not, these things happen.


Governments need to learn to stay out of an individuals affairs, and individulas would do well to follow the same advice.


You should tay out of the governments affairs? Heh.

You might not agree, but a lot of people don't agree with a lot of laws that *should* be there. Perhaps this one is trivial, but the country isn't ran by you and the majority (is supposed to anyway) rules. If you don't like it, perhaps you should be the one that stays out of the other people's affairs that don't want this in our society? Who's meddling here? Just because you don't agree, doesn't make you right.



Leave me alone.


Who's bothering you? You came to this thread, you read it, you posted. No one forced you. Please don't post when you're stoned. :0)


I am happy, don't tell me what to do.


Who said they have a problem with you being happy? Who here told you what to do? No one. Please consider what you're saying, and why, and to whom.

Oh right, I was done with this thread.

Originally posted by alpha
let me reword it then... or just read the second one if it made more sense to ya...

if the US government want to try to prevent further terrorist attacks on the US... then they should support the terrorist's cause and fight for it and not for freedom. this way, Al Qaeda wouldn't have attacked the US.

it's similar reasoning to your 'if you make this legal, then we wouldn't have to worry about this problem'

like

if we make drinking age to 12, we won't be surprised if couple 12 year olds are killed tomorrow from alcohol poisoning...

and

if we make software piracy legal, we won't have to worry about software piracy!

i can think of million more of these

This in no way relates to what I said. What I am saying is that alot of bad things about marijuana like lacing (people adding other stronger drugs), the strength of it ect. the government could control if they were the ones who distribute it. Please just stop trying to be a smartass and make points worth listing too. :rolleyes:

Tim,

Pull your head out of your arse.

[edit]

Tim,

I apologise if I have offended you. "Pull your head out of your arse" is an Australian term used losely generally at friends (mates), in a jocular fashion. I was merely trying (in a light hearted way) to suggest that maybe you were taking this debate a little too seriously.

If this has put you offside, I'd like to say sorry to have caused this reaction in you. :)

I don't like going to concerts and having people smoke it around me. I would hate to imagine being exposed to it outside of every building I walked by

Also this could be prevented too. Just like the law with alcohol making it illegal to drink outside.


Imagine how bad it would be with such easy access.

Belive it or not, weed is not that hard to get. When I was a teen it was easier for me to get weed than alcohol.


Imagine how all these aspects of younger people doing it would be more and more of a reality. It would be so impossible to control it.

Not really, after a while smoking a joint would be just like smoking a ciggarette. As someone stated earlier some people do it just to be cool, becuase it is illegal. Also, I think it would make it alot easier to control it. If it were sold through stores like alcohol it would be harder for younger teens to get it.


People would still want other drugs and what do you propose we do? Make all types of drugs legal? Then what?

Even you have to know that marijuana is not half as dangerous as alot of other drugs out there.

Originally posted by davehooper.net
Tim,

I apologise if I have offended you. "Pull your head out of your arse" is an Australian term used losely generally at friends (mates), in a jocular fashion. I was merely trying (in a light hearted way) to suggest that maybe you were taking this debate a little too seriously.

If this has put you offside, I'd like to say sorry to have caused this reaction in you. :)

I too, then, apologize. I did take it the wrong way. I should have consulted my wife, being an Aussie, born and raised. I really wasn't taking it too seriously. I was just merely stating some points I thought I'd express. I am truly not trying to debate about this. I'm not in the mood, nor am I prepared. I do enjoy a good discussion though. Apologies all around for any misunderstandings. Thank you.

I've heard that gov't does not want to legalize the green plant because they will not be able to tax it.

It's up to people to decide if they want to smoke it or not. Legal or illegal, it will always be around. Whoever said many people smoke because it's cool, obviously has no idea what he/she is talking about. You smoke it to be high. Just like you drink and get drunk. You can control your high, but I've been having tough times controlling myself when I'm drunk. :-)

You can flame me if you want, but this topic is played out and plain boring - same thing over and over and over...

It's 1am - Do you know where your dealer is?

Originally posted by fractiousws
Also this could be prevented too. Just like the law with alcohol making it illegal to drink outside.


That's a very difficult thing to prevent, expecially when it's airborne smoke.


Belive it or not, weed is not that hard to get. When I was a teen it was easier for me to get weed than alcohol.


I know it's not. I'm not at all saying it isn't very easy to get now. I meant something else. I suppose I didn't explain it properly.



Not really, after a while smoking a joint would be just like smoking a ciggarette. As someone stated earlier some people do it just to be cool, becuase it is illegal. Also, I think it would make it alot easier to control it. If it were sold through stores like alcohol it would be harder for younger teens to get it.


Hmm. Could be, but really, kids smoke because it also makes them feel cool for doing a more mature thing. They would still outlaw it for kids and the problem would still remain, I think, because of that.



Even you have to know that marijuana is not half as dangerous as alot of other drugs out there.

That is most certainly true and there's definitelya a lot more issues that should be dealt with and take priority over things such as the time spent with this, other those other things. I don't deny that. I just think, and perhaps we will all admit, that it's a lot more compex than just this or that and who knows what could happen. I was just giving some general overview of what I think could be some negative aspects of it if that was to happen. I won't pretend any of it's definite.

Well, I'm going back to the technical forum, where I belong. :-)

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
Well, I'm going back to the technical forum, where I belong. :-) :D And you try to say you're not funny. :D
Well, that's funny! :emlaugh:



At least it was when I first read it. No . . . really . . . . I laughed right out loud. whoops . . . .I mean LOL Sometimes I forget all that www lingo type stuff. :(


Here's an idea. . . . .

Let's just forget I ever stopped in here.



It's late

And I'm tired.

And I just want to go home. :(

Wait . . . I am home.

g'night all



:D

wow...people gettin angry and stuff...

weed is like anything else....too much of it is bad for you, moderate use is not.

ever heard that saying? everything in moderation....don't tell me it has no long term effects, smoke twice a day, every day for a month.....you WILL notice a difference in yourself....you will have less motivation and your concentration will suffer - similar to alcohol no?

anyone that uses the "its immoral" argument deserves a slap in the face and a history/sociology lesson. weed, opium, heron were all legal until early 20th century in the USA.

during the depression, politicians targetted mexicans in the states who were competing for scarce jobs....they used marijuana the most of any ethnic group, (opium was used a lot by the chinese working on the railroads) so its outlaw was a tool to attack them and get them out of the country.

i laugh at anyone that says that breaking the law = being immoral....ever broken the speeding limit folks?

then again i also laugh at the people that say "marijuana has no effects on you"....thats nice that you read that on the internet, but if you saw the change in personality of people that used the drug every day for a long period of time with your own eyes, you would see that is BS.

edit:
p.s.
people that make the legalization of marijuana their lifelong crusade also make me laugh....
criminilzation of weed is just one of the many ways the government over-steps its authority into private citizen's lives....there are far more important things to worry about you damn hippies

Originally posted by Tim_Greer

Imagine what society would be like if everyone that wanted to get stoned, could? Imagine how bad it would be with such easy access. Imagine how all these aspects of younger people doing it would be more and more of a reality. It would be so impossible to control it.


I imagine it would be something like Amsterdam :D.

Tim, as usual I am in complete agreement with you, I really could care less what people do in the privacy of their own home, but those who insist that their are no negative affects from long term marijuana usage are just deluding themselves -- just like there are negative consequences from long term alcohol and cigarette usage.

Originally posted by uuallan
...but those who insist that their are no negative affects from long term marijuana usage are just deluding themselves -- just like there are negative consequences from long term alcohol and cigarette usage.
I'd venture to guess that there are long term effects if you ate too much bacon, however I'm not for making bacon illegal (personally don't like the taste of it, but to each...)

There's a fine line between protecting people from themselves and just quietly taking away your rights to do things. I think people should decide if they want to smoke, have a beer, eat a piece of bacon, etc.

Alcohol is, IMHO, at least as 'bad' if not worse than smoking pot. Yet, one can buy bottles of every alcholholic mixture at the local store, legally. You can buy cigarettes, legally. TO me, it doesn't make much sense that you can't buy herb in the same fashion.

My personal opinion is that way cannabis (or whatever you want to call it) may not damage you (I'm not saying it's good - and I don't smoke it), it opens the door to harder drugs for a lot of people, which cannot be a good thing.

Just my humble opinion.

We should all drink :beer: instead!

Matt

Off topic, is there still a law in the states that doesnt allow you to drink alcohol till you are errrrmm 21 or so? ( im 23 )

Call me selfish, but when I take my children to a baseball game I don't want to have to worry about the guy sitting next to me lighting a blunt and causing my families cloths to reak of the smoke.

Or, taking my family to Wal-Mart and some guy is sitting on the bench beside the door smoking a blunt and we have to walk through his nasty smelling smoke to get through the door and spend the rest of the day smelling like pot.

Cigarette smoke is bad enough but pot smoke is thicker, sticks to clothing faster, and has generally a stronger smell. If you want to smoke pot and fry your brian, specifically your memory cells, at home that is fine.

My problem is that if it is legalized I then have to worry about those situations mentioned above.

Regards

Here in canada it is 19

Originally posted by michaeln
Call me selfish, but when I take my children to a baseball game I don't want to have to worry about the guy sitting next to me lighting a blunt and causing my families cloths to reak of the smoke.

Or, taking my family to Wal-Mart and some guy is sitting on the bench beside the door smoking a blunt and we have to walk through his nasty smelling smoke to get through the door and spend the rest of the day smelling like pot.
Well, I woldn't expect the guy sitting next to me on the bench at Walmart to be doing shots of JackD or slugging down beers. I'd think a similar type of law to alcohol laws would be passed. Just because alcohol is legal doesn't mean everyone walks around drinking everywhere ('cept in N'Orleans during certain periods, heh) Also, as it is smoking, similar smoking laws on top of that.

While I don't smoke pot and never will I will say this.

If the government ever legalized it, they would also put restrictions on it. Which means while you do get to walk into the 7-11 and buy a box of Camel Marijuana, you also get to pay an ungodly amount for it, just as with cigarette’s now. I seriously doubt the govt would legalize it without strict rules and regulations behind it, meaning only X people could manufacture and sell it because they must meet federal regulations.

So your joe blow on the street corner who sells it would still be violating the law any way you look at it. Sure you could most likely grow your own for your own use but then again they might make that illegal to.

So while I neither agree nor disagree with people smoking pot, I do think your very dumb for even wanting the govt to legalize it, because once made legal it will have so many regulation and taxes placed upon it that it would be 2 expensive for the average person to buy.


But then again, the govt gets more money that way :)

Call me selfish, but when I take my children to a baseball game I don't want to have to worry about the guy sitting next to me lighting a blunt and causing my families cloths to reak of the smoke.

Nobody wants this. It could be kept to be used inside your home. Not outside where there are kids and other people who don't want to inhale the smoke.


Or, taking my family to Wal-Mart and some guy is sitting on the bench beside the door smoking a blunt and we have to walk through his nasty smelling smoke to get through the door and spend the rest of the day smelling like pot.

Same thing as above.

similar smoking laws on top of that

Yeah, around here you can't smoke inside most public buildings anymore.

Smoked it when I was a teenager all it made me do was laught for about 15 mins and after that I was looking for a place to crash.

It just put me to sleep.

I prefer a cold frosty Molson Canadian thank you:D

Yeah right. Restrictions or not, it's ridiculous to think they could control it and where people did it. That wouldn't be possible. They couldn't possibly control or stop people from lighting up where-ever and when-ever they wanted to. You can bet not only would they not be able to enforce any restrictions, but that 99% of the people that did it, wouldn't care enough to respect other people that don't want it around.

It's difficult to go to any public event, even a baseball game, where someone's not going to try and sneak it now. If you think they would control who did it and where if it were legalized, you need to be realistic. This isn't something that would really stick out being that there are cigarettes. They'd give up on really trying to enforce any laws about it very quickly. On a side note, I heard about 15 years ago (I could be wrong) that Phillip Morris had already bought the rights to sell and market it, if it ever became legal.

They couldn't possibly control or stop people from lighting up where-ever and when-ever they wanted to

Why not. The manage to do a pretty good job with alcohol.


but that 99% of the people that did it, wouldn't care enough to respect other people that don't want it around

So what are you saying, just because someone smokes marijuana they have no respect for other people?


If you think they would control who did it and where if it were legalized, you need to be realistic

Have you ever been to a baseball game? There are guards everywhere.


This isn't something that would really stick out being that there are cigarettes

The smell of marijuana can not be mistaken for anything else. Also most people don't smoke a joint the same way people smoke a cigarette.

Originally posted by fractiousws
Why not. The manage to do a pretty good job with alcohol.


Different thing and they hardly manage to do a good job. Also, if's a little more obvious seeing someone with a can or bottle and knowing if it's a cigarette or something else, from a distance.



So what are you saying, just because someone smokes marijuana they have no respect for other people?


Most people that do, don't. Not all, most.



Have you ever been to a baseball game? There are guards everywhere.


Heh. Are you trying to be serious? Yeah, and there's a lot of security people at concerts too, and there's hardly ever pot smoked there either. I was talking about general sports, not stadiums, to be clear. Just a local game.



The smell of marijuana can not be mistaken for anything else.


Right, but are the police supposed to or expected to go near enough to every person to know the difference and be able to smell it?


Also most people don't smoke a joint the same way people smoke a cigarette.

No they sure don't -- because it's illegal. If that changed, so would how people do it.

I have on thing to say. Currently it is not legal as we are all obviously aware. My point is simply that with it not being legal they already have a hard time controling it. Geez all to often I walk somewhere, into a store, into the mall, gas station, whatever and have to walk through a cloud of pot smoke where someone had been smoking it a short time before I arrived.

People that smoke it are already doing it in public so now you legalize it and you think that is going to get better. NOT. It will get worse.

Even if they did legalize it and make it illegal to smoke it in public you still have a major problem. If someone where to get caught with it in public what would they get? Nothing more than a slap on the wrist. Of coarse they don't get much worse now. Basically cop would walk up to them and say, "Excuse me, I will have to ask you to put that out you can't smoke that in public."

Be thankful you don't live in Tiawan, or maybe it was singapor. Anyway I am fairly sure there you get shot if you are just caught with it on your person.

Regards

If you want to smoke pot - thats your choice - its your life...

But saying it has no negative affects is total BS.
I was watching one of these wildest police videos shows last night (I was bored!) and this guy gets pulled over for a traffic volation, takes of and crashes nearly killing innocent people. Why? because he was high... from weed.

No negative affects? Does manslaughter count as a negative affect?

I'm a Libertarian (http://www.lp.org/issues/relegalize.html) ..... Nuff said

and this guy gets pulled over for a traffic volation, takes of and crashes nearly killing innocent people. Why? because he was high... from weed.

was it from weed only? i find this very hard to believe...you would have to smoke an *unbelievable* amount to make you a) run from the cops b)drive so badly that you would crash and kill someone

weed doesn't affect your judgement....

Originally posted by voxtreme-matt
My personal opinion is that way cannabis (or whatever you want to call it) may not damage you (I'm not saying it's good - and I don't smoke it), it opens the door to harder drugs for a lot of people, which cannot be a good thing.

Just my humble opinion.

We should all drink :beer: instead!

Matt

FYI, what is stated above is a myth. It has been proven that approx. 1 % of Cannabis users go on to harder drugs.

Originally posted by DanielP
While I don't smoke pot and never will I will say this.

If the government ever legalized it, they would also put restrictions on it. Which means while you do get to walk into the 7-11 and buy a box of Camel Marijuana, you also get to pay an ungodly amount for it, just as with cigarette’s now. I seriously doubt the govt would legalize it without strict rules and regulations behind it, meaning only X people could manufacture and sell it because they must meet federal regulations.

So your joe blow on the street corner who sells it would still be violating the law any way you look at it. Sure you could most likely grow your own for your own use but then again they might make that illegal to.

So while I neither agree nor disagree with people smoking pot, I do think your very dumb for even wanting the govt to legalize it, because once made legal it will have so many regulation and taxes placed upon it that it would be 2 expensive for the average person to buy.


But then again, the govt gets more money that way :)

Well, I may be dumb for wanting it re-legalized but think about it this way:

- Approximately 236800 people are expected to be incarcerated for drug law violations in 2002. About 648 are locked up every day.

Most of the above, are your average Joe Blow ( no pun intended ) getting high in there own space & medical users.

I see a lot of you mentioning that Cannabis is harmfull because you smoke it, yada yada. Well what you neglect to mention ( or perhaps understand ) is that the most efficient way to "use" cannabis is to consume it. Thats right, cook it up with some butter, throw it in a brownie.

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
Different thing and they hardly manage to do a good job. Also, if's a little more obvious seeing someone with a can or bottle and knowing if it's a cigarette or something else, from a distance.

Right, but are the police supposed to or expected to go near enough to every person to know the difference and be able to smell it?
You must think that police can tell if that can or cup of soda that guy is drinking is actually soda. It is as if you think the majority of people go to events to sneak getting drunk or stoned. Simply rubbish and very shallow thinking from someone who usually thinks quite a bit.

There are laws regarding the use of alcohol in public places, and similar laws would most likely be passed regarding smoking. DO people get around these laws? yep. Do they drive while drinking beer? Yep. Do they sneak it on the beach and pour it into another cup? Yep. I've seen it, however I wouldn't say it is the norm, nor would I say taht it would be if smoking were legalized. Legalized doesn't mean do whatever the hell you want, where ever and whenever.

About the, "Most people that smoke marijuana have no respect for other people." That's just plain and simple unsubstantiated streotyping and I'm rather surprised to read such dribble here. There are many people who smoke and to say that 'most' of them have no respect for others is just ignorant. Sorry, but it is.

Originally posted by michaeln
Even if they did legalize it and make it illegal to smoke it in public you still have a major problem. If someone where to get caught with it in public what would they get? Nothing more than a slap on the wrist. Of coarse they don't get much worse now. Basically cop would walk up to them and say, "Excuse me, I will have to ask you to put that out you can't smoke that in public."
I'd guess ti would be similar to drinking in pubic.

Originally posted by acidHL
But saying it has no negative affects is total BS.
I was watching one of these wildest police videos shows last night (I was bored!) and this guy gets pulled over for a traffic volation, takes of and crashes nearly killing innocent people. Why? because he was high... from weed.

No negative affects? Does manslaughter count as a negative affect?
No one said to smoke and then jump into a car. Same applies with alcohol.


Now, I'm not saying people should do it or not, but please tell me why alcohol should be legal and why smoking shouldn't.

Nicely put chicken. Glad to see your feeling better :)

Most people that do, don't. Not all, most.

Tim, where is that information coming from?

Originally posted by Shyne

Tim, where is that information coming from?

I'll second that. What are you saying that you know 99% of all pot smokers? I for one take offense on this comment. What if I said that most people who drink have no respect for others?(i don't acually think this, just an example) If what your saying was true there would be alot of disrespectfull people in the world.

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by pip235


was it from weed only? i find this very hard to believe...you would have to smoke an *unbelievable* amount to make you a) run from the cops b)drive so badly that you would crash and kill someone

weed doesn't affect your judgement....

That was a completely inaccurate and ridiculous post. Being "high" means your judgement is affected. If you didn't feel any different, you'd not be high. If you are high, you're feeling different and your reaction time and mind are affected.

Originally posted by Chicken
You must think that police can tell if that can or cup of soda that guy is drinking is actually soda.


You often can by the color of the can.


It is as if you think the majority of people go to events to sneak getting drunk or stoned.


No, but a lot do.


Simply rubbish and very shallow thinking from someone who usually thinks quite a bit.


Says you. You obviously have a different opinion. I speak from my experience. I live in an area where a lot of people grow pot, as well as manufacture meth. It would be shallow to assume I'm wrong based on my opinion or experiences, simply because they aren't the same opinion or experience you had. I think there's clearly and easily a defined line of who thinks what in this discussion, and why -- I get this strong feeling anyway.


There are laws regarding the use of alcohol in public places, and similar laws would most likely be passed regarding smoking.


So? It's a lot easier to put away a joint if a cop is coming near, then it would be to worry if you were going to go to jail. You don't think any of this would change anything? Where do you live anyway???


DO people get around these laws? yep.


Yes. Irrelevant though.


Do they drive while drinking beer? Yep.


Yes, and this too is irrelevant.


Do they sneak it on the beach and pour it into another cup? Yep.


and so on...


I've seen it, however I wouldn't say it is the norm, nor would I say that it would be if smoking were legalized.


Where do you live?


Legalized doesn't mean do whatever the hell you want, where ever and whenever.


It doesn't mean they won't.


About the, "Most people that smoke marijuana have no respect for other people." That's just plain and simple unsubstantiated streotyping and I'm rather surprised to read such dribble here.


Well, really, too bad. After all, this has been my experience. People that are willing to break the law, support criminals, and the like, yes, believe it, they often don't really have much respect for people. This is surprising and difficult to believe, is it? You know a lot of respectful, level headed drug users? Where do you live?


There are many people who smoke and to say that 'most' of them have no respect for others is just ignorant. Sorry, but it is.


No, it's ignorant to claim that my statement is ignorant. I base my statement on experience and logic, you base yours on how difficult it is for you to accept that drug dealers just actually might be less respectful people. Is this a joke, or are you that confused? Seriously. Do you have some proof showing that drug user's aren't mostly criminals or disrespectful? All the laws are made because they are just that way. Everything indicates and supports this. Simply because you have trouble accepting this, doesn't dismiss it, nor does it make an educated statement or opinion to be ignorant. That's a lame way to respond to that post.


I'd guess ti would be similar to drinking in pubic.


Well, not really. We're talking apples and motorcycles.


No one said to smoke and then jump into a car. Same applies with alcohol.


No kidding, what's your point? My point was, that if it's easier to get, and it's legal, people will get it more and use it more -- this equates to more people doing things they'd not usually do, more freely --- such as... *drum roll* more people stoned, driving cars. What don't you get?


Now, I'm not saying people should do it or not, but please tell me why alcohol should be legal and why smoking shouldn't.

I said neither. I never defended alcohol anyway. I don't think poisoning your body in any fashion is wise. I do however, have a problem with people driving under the influence, supporting criminals and making things more accessible for kids. This is what buying and using drugs does. I don't like it when some moron can abuse any drug (including alcohol) and have it affect other people (such as crashing a car into some innocent person). Now, just to save you confusion; My point, without access or as easy access to these things, fewer people will be in a position to be able to end up doing the above and killing someone. It's more than statistics and you can't defend that or deny it happens. Perhaps my view on a more respectful, law-abiding and safer society seems shallow to you, simply because that means disagreeing with certain things being acceptable or not, or not agreeing they are harmless. Whatever that means to you, I really have no care.

You can think what you like, but my experience and knowledge dictates me to urge you to educate yourself a little more on the topic before you form some empty opinion and post nonsense about how I'm being ignorant. It's easy to argue with someone when you haven't the experience or knowledge of a subject that they do. Perhaps that sounds arrogant to you, but this is all I'm seeing thus far and what can I possibly say, which is generally fairly obvious, if you don't have this knowledge or experience? In the meantime, feel free to continue to try and insult my intelligence or motive for posting what I have. I hope one day you'll get what I'm saying, for your sake.

Originally posted by Shyne
Most people that do, don't. Not all, most.

Tim, where is that information coming from?

Came from me. I said that. You can scroll back and look if you need to verify it. :-)

I get my stats from statistics and experience. What more can I offer?

What world have I been living in, to have the opinion that most drug user's are criminals or at the very least don't have much respect for other people? Heh.

Originally posted by fractiousws


I'll second that. What are you saying that you know 99% of all pot smokers? I for one take offense on this comment. What if I said that most people who drink have no respect for others?(i don't acually think this, just an example) If what your saying was true there would be alot of disrespectfull people in the world.

:rolleyes:

I would say, that if most people that were drunks, I'd say yes they don't have respect for other people in general. If you're talking about a person that drinks to relax, for social drinks or whatever, that's different. People smoke pot to get high. They get *high*. People that drink just to get drunk, are just as bad. You can't exactly (well, not really) smoke pot and just relax and not be stoned -- you will get stoned. People that drink can drink small amounts and not get drunk. People that get plastered, likely are not people that have much respect for other's, in general. I speak out of experience and logic. Your experience might be different, and I really have to wonder where you people live, to think that drug users, in gernal or the higher percentage, are normal, professional and respectful people. If you do, you have to ask yourself if this is possible that they can be, given some of the issues brought up about who they support and the ramifications that can arise due to associated and supporting them that will end up harming other's down the line. This isn't disrespect, huh? Hmmm...

Originally posted by Tim_Greer


I would say, that if most people that were drunks, I'd say yes they don't have respect for other people in general. If you're talking about a person that drinks to relax, for social drinks or whatever, that's different. People smoke pot to get high. They get *high*. People that drink just to get drunk, are just as bad. You can't exactly (well, not really) smoke pot and just relax and not be stoned -- you will get stoned. People that drink can drink small amounts and not get drunk. People that get plastered, likely are not people that have much respect for other's, in general. I speak out of experience and logic. Your experience might be different, and I really have to wonder where you people live, to think that drug users, in gernal or the higher percentage, are normal, professional and respectful people. If you do, you have to ask yourself if this is possible that they can be, given some of the issues brought up about who they support and the ramifications that can arise due to associated and supporting them that will end up harming other's down the line. This isn't disrespect, huh? Hmmm...

Alot of people smoke pot to relax. That is what it does, it relaxes you. When you are stressed out, you smoke a joint or what have you and it will releive every bit of stress in your body.

Just about the rest of this post I can't argue against, because it is true.

Well, that is all I have to say in this thread. Don't want to make any enemies :D

Yeah, I suppose I don't either, do I should once again go back to the Technical forum and shut my mouth about other things.

I spoke in general terms, and I don't hide how I feel or what I think or know (from my experience), and it tends to get on people's nerves, but I just wonder why people that are bothered would post here or get involved. Most people have been level headed and it's been interesting.

Also, I don't think that all people here will be the type to get high and end up crashing their car, but some people did state that they don't think it would affect their driving. I guess they don't know where to get the good stuff. Me, I'm near Humbolt County, I know better.

THis has been the best debate I have seen in read in a while.

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
People that are willing to break the law, support criminals, and the like, yes, believe it, they often don't really have much respect for people. This is surprising and difficult to believe, is it? You know a lot of respectful, level headed drug users? Where do you live?
Break the law, wait a second... if this stuff were legalized, how would it be breaking the law??? How would this be supporting criminals? I'll get to the, "they often don't really have much respect for people" next time. Los Angeles.


I base my statement on experience and logic, you base yours on how difficult it is for you to accept that drug dealers just actually might be less respectful people. Is this a joke, or are you that confused? Seriously. Do you have some proof showing that drug user's aren't mostly criminals or disrespectful? All the laws are made because they are just that way. Everything indicates and supports this. Simply because you have trouble accepting this, doesn't dismiss it, nor does it make an educated statement or opinion to be ignorant. That's a lame way to respond to that post.
I'll assume you meant drug users nto dealers (as we weren't talking about that). Based on your statements:

"...they often don't really have much respect for people."
"I base my statement on experience and logic..."
"Do you have some proof showing that drug user's aren't mostly criminals or disrespectful?"

It leads me to believe, and I am 100% certain about this, that you have absolutely no clue as to who smokes and who doesn't. You have no idea how many people you meet on a daily basis that smoke. No idea how many people you commonly talk to that smoke. No idea. As I said, I can tell this based on your statements.

You seem to have a very sterotypical image of a smoker. The bad boys at school, they're disrespectful criminals. If somehow people who smoked lit up green, your mouth would literally drop. As I said, I can say this with 100% certainty.

And finally...


Legalized doesn't mean do whatever the hell you want, where ever and whenever.
It doesn't mean they won't.

Heh, yes I suppose you're right. What is most likely to happen, should pot be legalized, is that people will be smoking out everywhere (making sure to blow their devil smoke in the faces of non-smokers). Cops will be overwhelmed, yet powerless as people take to the streets and cleverly hide it whenever the cops look. O'Clancy almost caught 'em -next time boys...

Walmart's benches will become smoking hippie seats (as the smokers will call them). Citizens will be forced to stay at home or breathe the devil smoke. We urge you to stay indoors!

Even though it is legal, somehow, the people who do it will still be criminals with less respect for others. The same thing happened with beer. They made it legal and the masses turned ugly. Stop this while we still can. The time to act is now!

And finally finally...


Now, just to save you confusion; My point, without access or as easy access to these things, fewer people will be in a position to be able to end up doing the above and killing someone.

Ahhhh, now we're talking. Save them from themselves! Let's start with alcohol and tobacco, ban them. And of course guns! Don't forget guns! What else? Certain power tools are dangerous, and come to think of it, if people couldn't go so dang fast, they'd be a whole heap less accidents. Limit cars to 35 MPH.

None of this post is in jest. No farm animals were harmed and nothing was smoked.

Ohhh and in case you are wondering, I couldn't give a rat's donkey if pot was legalized or not. I just can't see why alcohol is legal while pot isn't. There's absolutely no reason I can come up with as to why.

To many drunks voted it back in... LOL ;)

No offense anyone I am just kidding. I am not really sure what the answer to chickens question is. I think it had something to do with the fact that it couldn't be controlled while it was illegal due to the bootleggers so the legalized it and threw a ton of regulations on it.

Originally posted by Chicken
Break the law, wait a second... if this stuff were legalized, how would it be breaking the law???


Currenty, most people that are, break the law. Not just in regards to this. Even if so, it's against the law, they are breaking it just for this reason. You have to wonder.


How would this be supporting criminals?


Criminals grow and sell it, and most of them aren't just making money to grow and sell more -- they are often using this money to support other things that are harmful to society. Gun running, harder drugs, drugs that get to scholl kids. How are you not aware of this?


I'll get to the, "they often don't really have much respect for people" next time. Los Angeles.


So, you just wanted to argue then.



I'll assume you meant drug users nto dealers (as we weren't talking about that). Based on your statements:

"...they often don't really have much respect for people."


Nope, I meant both. Unless you think it's having respect for other people to support drug dealers and what other things they can afford to do with said profits.


"I base my statement on experience and logic..."


And, your point? Are you saying I don't?


"Do you have some proof showing that drug user's aren't mostly criminals or disrespectful?"


Do you?


It leads me to believe, and I am 100% certain about this, that you have absolutely no clue as to who smokes and who doesn't.


Are you retarded?


You have no idea how many people you meet on a daily basis that smoke.


About 100 out of every 101.


No idea how many people you commonly talk to that smoke. No idea. As I said, I can tell this based on your statements.


And you have no idea about my experience or what I know, but you are content to claim that I'm clueless about who smokes pot and who doesn't? Wake up.


You seem to have a very sterotypical image of a smoker.


Based on all the people I've ever met that do it, I base my opinion. Obviously your experience is different.


The bad boys at school, they're disrespectful criminals.


Most drug users are.


If somehow people who smoked lit up green, your mouth would literally drop.


When did I say this?


As I said, I can say this with 100% certainty.


You would.


And finally...

Heh, yes I suppose you're right. What is most likely to happen, should pot be legalized, is that people will be smoking out everywhere (making sure to blow their devil smoke in the faces of non-smokers).


Yeah, that's what I said "devil smoke". Apparently you prefer to claim people are phoebic and unreasonable to not share your view on this. I expected nothing less. Yes, people will be smoking it everywhere. They already do at this point, but it'll be a lot more frequent. Should I draw up a map for you?


Cops will be overwhelmed,


Yeah, that's what I said. Or, what I really said, is it'll be impossible for them to control. Feel free to pull the paranoid card though.


yet powerless as people take to the streets and cleverly hide it whenever the cops look.


I don't think most people would be concerned about hiding it, since it'd be legal.


O'Clancy almost caught 'em -next time boys...


...


Walmart's benches will become smoking hippie seats (as the smokers will call them).


You aren't very good at this.


Citizens will be forced to stay at home or breathe the devil smoke. We urge you to stay indoors!


See above. If you really get this impression, you are more lost than I thought.


Even though it is legal, somehow, the people who do it will still be criminals with less respect for others.


The type that would, are, in general. Why you can't grasp this, is interesting. Of course, out of all these posts, yours was posted more to argue than anyone else's, for you to try and pull this crap.


The same thing happened with beer. They made it legal and the masses turned ugly. Stop this while we still can. The time to act is now!


...


And finally finally...



Ahhhh, now we're talking. Save them from themselves! Let's start with alcohol and tobacco, ban them. And of course guns! Don't forget guns!


Yadda, yadda, yadda...


What else?


Clueless poultry on web forums?


Certain power tools are dangerous, and come to think of it, if people couldn't go so dang fast, they'd be a whole heap less accidents. Limit cars to 35 MPH.


You're so right there. After all, thinking that a lot more people having access to and doing pot and a lot more freely, surely won't cause more car accidents. I must just be a compeltely paranoid spaz to think that pot uses by a lot more people a lot more frequently would actually maybe cause some problems. You're so wise.......


None of this post is in jest. No farm animals were harmed and nothing was smoked.

What a waste of time...

Originally posted by Chicken
Ohhh and in case you are wondering, I couldn't give a rat's donkey if pot was legalized or not. I just can't see why alcohol is legal while pot isn't. There's absolutely no reason I can come up with as to why.

I'd have bet you wouldn't see why. This doesn't justify those snide remarks about nonsense trying to make people's relevant points appear to be paranoid and outlandish. We're talking about a big difference in the type of people.

So much for the technical forums, lol.

Originally posted by fractiousws
So much for the technical forums, lol.

You, I know. I've been suckered. I promise I'm done with this thread now. I had email notification enabled, which makes it hard to ignore. :-/

lol :D

And you have no idea about my experience or what I know, but you are content to claim that I'm clueless about who smokes pot and who doesn't? Wake up.
Dude, your posts are written so- "I growned up on a farm in Iowa and people who smoke are bad cause that's what the Troy McGlure tapes the teacher showed us in school said." I'm sorry, but I thought you were a bit more worldly than you are (I suppose it is my fault for assuming that). It's ok that you don't really have an understanding about this, doesn't sound like you've ever smoked (maybe tried it once?). I have (college was a interesting experience) and know plenty of people who smoked and who smoke now. No one would descibe them as you have described them (except maybe your average religious type freak). You must have just run into the bad criminal pot smokers over the course of your life (amazing really, or maybe you don't have a clue as to who smokes and who doesn't... who knows).

Are you overly religious? By 'overly', I mean do you talk about to people who don't want to hear it, whether they like it or not, knock on people's doors spreading the good word, go to bible meetings once a week or more, etc.? Just wondering, not accusing, if you aren't like this, well then I was barking up the wrong tree.

I said:
Chicken said
If somehow people who smoked lit up green, your mouth would literally drop.
You said:
Tim said
When did I say this?

Ummm, you didn't. I did. You're confused...


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"I base my statement on experience and logic..."
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And, your point? Are you saying I don't?


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"Do you have some proof showing that drug user's aren't mostly criminals or disrespectful?"
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Do you?
Ummm, the quoted sentences above were said by you. You are responding to things you said. Maybe you do smoke, hmmmmm... Pass the chips duuuuude ;)

Yes, people will be smoking it everywhere.
Just as they drink everywhere. You see, apparently once pot is legalized, people will ignore all common sense and openly smoke out anywhere and everywhere, just as they drink anywhere and everywhere now. Why is it that people think the common person likes to go out in public and get flucked up? Apparently it will be Mardi Gras everywhere? The idea is ridiculous and simply wouldn't happen.

Ohhh and I love the deep response to my response about your whole 'point':
Tim said
Now, just to save you confusion; My point, without access or as easy access to these things, fewer people will be in a position to be able to end up doing the above and killing someone.

Chicken said
Ahhhh, now we're talking. Save them from themselves! Let's start with alcohol and tobacco, ban them. And of course guns! Don't forget guns! What else? Certain power tools are dangerous, and come to think of it, if people couldn't go so dang fast, they'd be a whole heap less accidents. Limit cars to 35 MPH.

Tim said
Yadda, yadda, yadda...
I love when I'm right :D but...

Tim said
You're so right there. After all, thinking that a lot more people having access to and doing pot and a lot more freely, surely won't cause more car accidents. I must just be a compeltely paranoid spaz to think that pot uses by a lot more people a lot more frequently would actually maybe cause some problems. You're so wise.......
You failed to address why guns shouldn't be outlawed, as people having access to those surely causes problems and accidents. Also, you seemed to skip right over (rather yadda yadda yadda right over) my idea to lower accidents by limiting car speeds to 35 MPH, and banning alcohol. See when the government and people like you get going, there's really no stopping 'em is there? Next Wednesday we're having a good ol' fashioned book burning, hope to see you there, as there are some classics that are poisonin' the minds of the local Humbolt youth!

And yes, I am good at this...

Interesting, the poll results roughly mirror national polls on regular potsmoking (at least once/month). Of course, such polls likely under-report real usage levels since people are paranoid about admitting illegal activity.

It's true that marijuana usage is dangerous, but not because of the plant itself -- it's because of the damaging effects of arrest and incarceration.

Originally posted by magnafix
. . . . . . . . . such polls likely under-report real usage levels since people are paranoid about admiting illegal activity. . . . . . . . . . . .I would imagine (maybe I've missed it if it happened) no person in a position of wishing to maintain a professional image would admit to consuming marijuana; no matter how passionate they were about issue.

True enough.

Here's the best response for such questions:

"Smoke marijuana? Can't say that I do."

The double meaning will be lost to most people, but it's a truthful statement.

With all the yes, no and maybe opinions in medical science, I'll just stick with the universal truth of South Park

DRUGS ARE BAD, MKAY...

Heh, with all due respect to South Park :cartman: , every independent review of the 'dangers of marijuana' has concluded that it is far less harmful (toxicity and/or addiction potential) than alchohol, tobacco, and thousands of legal prescription and over-the-counter drugs.

In fact, the (government-funded) study by the NIH in 1999 concluded (after recognizing that marijuana's toxicity was far below that of most prescription drugs) that if there is a real 'gateway drug' danger in marijuana, it is rooted in the plant's illegality. In other words, marijuana's illegality means that users must participate in an unregulated black market in which often exposes them to more dangerous drugs.

Originally posted by Shyne
I dunno anyone who died from smoming marijuana.
I know people who have died from smoking marijuana and other stuff. Seems when you smoke the sh*t, it tends to turn you into a dumb a$$ and then you tend to get in a car and then you tend to drive like a dumb a$$...... Then if your lucky, you will hit a pole and hurt yourself, but unfortunately, most of the time you end up killing some other poor sole who was just minding their own business. :angry:

ALthough I don't care if people drink or smoke or smoke crack or shoot dope, just try not to affect the people who choose not to.

:stickout Stepping off soap box now...

I voted NO.... Just For Today....

SESRAN

I voted no in the poll :)

although i dont advocate the use of smoking weed, and i def. dont think you should ever operate any type of machines under any influence. It is a fact that marijuana has not killed anyone directly, because someone was ignorant and got into a car and decided to drive does not mean marijuana killed the person. Drive through dallas, tx sometime and youd think everyones under the influence of marijuana. That being said marijuana is still illigal, and its use while i could care less if people use it, is still worng according to the legal system, and thats simply a fact, whether we agree or disagree with the fact of it being legal is really a non issue, there are a ton of things i disagree with, but it doesnt change them from being considered wrong in the eyes of the law, society, or religion.

Im sure this will be ignored because of the length but I want my 2 cents. First off, why was it made illegal in the first place(im sure there are about 20 different versions of this). Secondly, lets assume marijana was legalized today. I know this may sound stupid, but if you think about it, it makes some sence at least to me. What is going to happen to all those people making money selling this stuff. There is a guy in canada making 3mil a year selling seeds. Will people still buy his seeds at his prices? His 3mill could turn into 3,000. Now you have a bunch of people making decent money now making nothing. Do you all honestly think that those people will just packup? I personally belive that they will start selling worse drugs like coke(which I personally hate, my ex-uncle was addicted and just about put any aunt on the street because he took cash advances on their credit cards to buy more crap. She couldnt afford food for the kids. But my relatives bailed her out). As for the money stoping this drug into to the country is meaningless. All it will do is rollover. Now this may seem extreme, but some people, what does it matter what you do if you do it in the privacy of your own home? Does that extend to if you start screwing your daughter?

Btw, I decided not to respond to anything I write, mainly because I could never find this again, so comment but no questions. :)

Marijuana was made illegal in America in order to arrest more blacks and mexicans. Sad but true, and the American Medical Association would have blocked it but they didn't realize that marijuana (crazy violent rapist drug) was the same plant as cannabis (which their doctors and other healers had been reccommending for thousands of years).

Rearding 'who will sell marijuana?'... Several choices:

a) blackmarket drug dealers (this is what we have now)
b) private companies like Marlboro and Seagrams
c) federal and state governments

Which encourages a healthier society?


Here's a gem - did you know that the federal government has a marijuana farm and currently grows pot and rolls it into joints for 8 or so medical marijuana patients? TODAY!


For the "still wrong according to the legal system" claim, I submit that 'wrong' should not be equated with 'illegal', and vice versa. In a perfect world, they'd coincide perfectly. It wasn't so long ago that it was illegal for black people to own homes, for women to vote, etc.


Finally, regarding your the icky 'screwing your daughter' scenario - nobody could support that. What could be supported pretty quickly (especially by Libertarians) is that government should not go after anyone who pursues their own happiness and does not interfere with anyone elses'.

Here in Los Angeles, people driving while talking on a cel phone seem to be far more dangerous than those who have puffed the magic dragon...

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
I would imagine (maybe I've missed it if it happened) no person in a position of wishing to maintain a professional image would admit to consuming marijuana; no matter how passionate they were about issue.

The former Mayor of my fine city did while he was in office....hmmm, now I am wondering if that's why he is the FORMER Mayor:)

But to the "drug user's are mostly criminals or disrespectful" post made by Tim Greer....I would like to invite you to my city to meet some movers and shakers..... the "potheads" I know are far from criminals and are some of the most respected people in the town. We were even voted Best City to live in.........

Originally posted by Sesran

I know people who have died from smoking marijuana and other stuff. Seems when you smoke the sh*t, it tends to turn you into a dumb a$$ and then you tend to get in a car and then you tend to drive like a dumb a$$...... Then if your lucky, you will hit a pole and hurt yourself, but unfortunately, most of the time you end up killing some other poor sole who was just minding their own business.

It's the *other* stuff that killed them..it wasn't the marijuana....it was the impact of their head smashing thru the windshield.... the toxicity of MJ is so low, you couldn't smoke enough to die from it before dying of asphyxiation first.....unlike alcohol poisoning.....

Originally posted by Sesran

I know people who have died from smoking marijuana and other stuff.
Im sorry, but its a fact that nobody has ever died from smoking or overdosing on Cannabis. Even if you tried to kill yourself by smoking joint after joint after joint ( 40,000 cigaratte sized joints all in one go ) you would die of carbon dioxide poisoning.

Originally posted by davidb
There is a guy in canada making 3mil a year selling seeds. Will people still buy his seeds at his prices? His 3mill could turn into 3,000. Now you have a bunch of people making decent money now making nothing. Do you all honestly think that those people will just packup?
I believe you are talking about Mark Emery [ www.emeryseeds.com ] ( I could be wrong ), in which case, he is also member of the Canadian Marijuana Party. Not only does he fund that ( and many other things ) but he does own "Cannabis Culture" ( www.cannabisculture.com ) magazine which gets published around the world. He also operates Pot-TV.net and donates a large part of his proffits to the "Cannabis Cause".

Thank you all for participating in this FBI-DEA joint sting operation. Black sedans are pulling up outside your homes as we speak.

Originally posted by Devorius
Thank you all for participating in this FBI-DEA joint sting operation. Black sedans are pulling up outside your homes as we speak.

lol :D

Originally posted by Haze
Im sorry, but its a fact that nobody has ever died from smoking or overdosing on Cannabis. Even if you tried to kill yourself by smoking joint after joint after joint ( 40,000 cigaratte sized joints all in one go ) you would die of carbon dioxide poisoning.

Your right, it is 'IMPOSSIBLE' to overdose on pot. Once you have smoked however much your system can handle you will just passout.

Nicotine has never passed through my lungs and never will
Same with weed.

although I do like a good drink every now and again ;)

Originally posted by Nicholas Brown


although I do like a good drink every now and again ;)

Nick, get a life bro;)

some how I feeling all relaxed and nice typing this out:cool: :smokin: :pimp:

I'm staying out of this because there are better threads to read here, but I have to say that i agree with everything Chicken has been saying.

Have a good day!

:smokin: :beer: :smokin:

I'm staying out of this because there are better threads to read here

Staying out of it? You just brought this thread back from the dead. I shouldn't have linked to it in my post, the BBC article caused me to remember this debate ... my mistake.

It was worth it to read Chicken's posts again. :) Funny stuff.

damn, i am an idiot :dunce:
it's too late now, sorry.

I have never smoked anything!

never tried alcohol either :)

Originally posted by clocker1996

never tried alcohol either :)

Your missing out :D

Don't really knopw what this is about but if you really want to know the effects of smoking and smoking hash go to a youth clinic, it's the only way you will get an honest answer..
Smoking hash causes memory loss and many other things.

If you drink and then talk about how bad people who smoke pot are.

That would make you a hypocrite...

In terms of which would be the deadliest: Tobacco takes about 40 years to kill you, I suppost weed would be the same except for the side-effects of stupidity. Alcohol kills more people every year than every other drug together yet is considered the most 'acceptable'.

I've never used any of them. I always thought they were a crutch for the weak-willed. But then, that's just my opinion.

woooo hoooooo they are legalising it in the UK, never smoked it tho

Originally posted by clocker1996
never tried alcohol either :)

:eek: :eek2: Your kidding right?

Originally posted by ned patter
Smoking hash causes memory loss and many other things.

Yeah, it leads to junk food, the purchasing of shiny objects and hard drugs like sugar.

This is also quite an interesting article:
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/166/7/887?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=cannabis&searchid=1025853946146_44&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&journalcode=cmaj

ocassionally, been about 2 months since i've done it though. Last time I did it was the first time I actually got high, and drunk in one night. I remember my jacked smelling like weed for like, 3 weeks after that until I washed it (mom was catchign on) .

Seems to be a new trend of old threads being rehashed.