What is your say about the situation? (And the poll)

Well, IMHO, I feel they should be allowed to fight terrorism and defend themselves, no limits. ;) To be "Politically Correct" I won't say the rest of my feelings about it here :stickout

Terrorism begets War
War begets Terrorism


It's a hellish cycle and it's going to keep on cycling through as long as the occupation and suicide bombings continue. I am sick of people blaming Israel or blaming Palestine. They are wrong. You cannot blame one side when both are at fault.

They all need to learn how to exist with each other, because they are going to have to. A giant wall (which has been proposed), an expulsion, a retreat from the occupation, they are not going to help a thing.

Israel, as the US, needs to understand what the world things about them. We both need to adjust our foreign policies so we do not piss people off: the fewer pissed off people, the fewer conflicts and terrorist events.

I'm not saying that Israel is wrong with it's military attacks, it's justified. What’s wrong is Sharon and Arafat seemingly don’t want peace. They say they do, but they always set conditions that they know will be broken (i.e. Israel said they would only meet if X days passed without a suicide attack). They give too much power to the terrorists. They need to take and use their power and figure out a way to live together.

Palestine needs to be a state; Israel needs to be a state.

A local student came up with a radical proposal that I can't locate right now. Essentially, he proposed that Israel and Palestine be combined into one state. They would then have regions with control based on the population. I don’t know if it will work, but it's a hell of a lot better than "bomb the **** out of them" and "lets blow ourselves up in a store."

Peace is the only way, that's why pacifism rocks.

A very accurate description of this whole mess can be read in The Onion: « http://www.theonion.com/onion3820/sexual_tension.html »

Seems like some people only want to see one side of the coin :rolleyes:
What a shame.

It is very interesting.

Occupy a country, then evacuate its people and rename it to whatever you want.

It seems that world will become a jungle that just Force will rule.

Yes it's a shame :confused:

Originally posted by Dogma
Terrorism begets War
War begets Terrorism


It's a hellish cycle and it's going to keep on cycling through as long as the occupation and suicide bombings continue. I am sick of people blaming Israel or blaming Palestine. They are wrong. You cannot blame one side when both are at fault.

They all need to learn how to exist with each other, because they are going to have to. A giant wall (which has been proposed), an expulsion, a retreat from the occupation, they are not going to help a thing.

Israel, as the US, needs to understand what the world things about them. We both need to adjust our foreign policies so we do not piss people off: the fewer pissed off people, the fewer conflicts and terrorist events.

I'm not saying that Israel is wrong with it's military attacks, it's justified. What’s wrong is Sharon and Arafat seemingly don’t want peace. They say they do, but they always set conditions that they know will be broken (i.e. Israel said they would only meet if X days passed without a suicide attack). They give too much power to the terrorists. They need to take and use their power and figure out a way to live together.

Palestine needs to be a state; Israel needs to be a state.

A local student came up with a radical proposal that I can't locate right now. Essentially, he proposed that Israel and Palestine be combined into one state. They would then have regions with control based on the population. I don’t know if it will work, but it's a hell of a lot better than "bomb the **** out of them" and "lets blow ourselves up in a store."

Peace is the only way, that's why pacifism rocks.

A very accurate description of this whole mess can be read in The Onion: « http://www.theonion.com/onion3820/sexual_tension.html »

The Israelies didn't choose sharon because they wanted Peace, they chose Sharon because they wanted security (not that he brought it...).

I'm sure that when the Palestinian side will show ANY will to follow agreements he broke (I.E Oslo) or crack down on militants (I.E Arafats own organizations) the Israelies will again choose a peaceful leader.

Barak had a tempting offer which could have been discussed about but arafat abandoned the negotiations and waited for the moment he could declare the conflict as armed and blame someone else for it (I.E the temple mount visit). As he did the same when he abandoned the Taba negotiations.
Arafat was and always will be a terrorist, but unlike in Israel where the leader is chosen democratically and according to Hope, that god damn violent Arafat will always stay in power untill he cripples and dies.

Originally posted by wmac
It is very interesting.

Occupy a country, then evacuate its people and rename it to whatever you want.

It seems that world will become a jungle that just Force will rule.

Yes it's a shame :confused:

The Palestinian Territories are not a country.
When they attacked Israel in 1948, and then Cooperatd with the Arab Forces in 1967, and then Declared the Al Akza intifada in the Verge of negotiations, they brought their own fate on themselves.

Originally posted by IceBlaZe


The Palestinian Territories are not a country.
When they attacked Israel in 1948, and then Cooperatd with the Arab Forces in 1967, and then Declared the Al Akza intifada in the Verge of negotiations, they brought their own fate on themselves.

What before it?

Wasn't there a country palestine that they occupied and put the name Israel on it? It seems you prefer to forget it?

The most interesting point is that those people do not have the right to live in their own country anymore :confused:

Originally posted by wmac


What before it?

Wasn't there a country palestine that they occupied and put the name Israel on it? It seems you prefer to forget it?

The most interesting point is that those people do not have the right to live in their own country anymore :confused:

Seems like your historical knowledge of the middle east is very lacking to say the least.

There was never a palestinian country in the history of the middle east.

The Palestinians never had their own country - They were offered so in 1947 but they declined the offer and opened war against the jews. Most of them ran away during the war because of the Israeli victory, some of them got expelled, and the rest stayed. The ones who stayed currently hold 19% of Israel's population and they have the same rights as all of the Jews that live in Israel.
Also the Zionists never "occupied" the Land of Palestine - they legally purchased land from Arabs who lived in that area and in the sorrounding regions (such as Syria). Most of the land was bought by the Jewish National Fund in a later stage.

Do you only read some piece of the History books?
Palestina was a country under the administration of Great Britain.
In 1947 the UN decided to create the State of Israel in the palestine territory.
in 1967 Israeli attempts to divert the waters of the Jordan (River) for irrigation projects, and Syriam attempts to stop the diversion by force. Of course, with the support of the Otan Israel won.


Also the Zionists never "occupied" the Land of Palestine

That's BS, what are doing the colons now in palestine territory?
Why Isreal promote the settlements in Palestine territory?
Do you know what's the "occupated territories" ?
What do you think that this mean?

Originally posted by Jedito
Do you only read some piece of the History books?
Palestina was a country under the administration of Great Britain.

>>> It was never a country and no independence was ever declared, you better get your factoids right. There was a British Mandate of Palestine, which was later divided because the British formed the state of Jordan inside it. There was never a palestinian country. Please show me what History books you read - Even the most revisionist and fabricative of historians don't say a palestinian country existed :)

In 1947 the UN decided to create the State of Israel in the palestine territory.

>>> The British got tired of the Jewish terror and of the internal fights between jews and arabs inside the mandate of palestine, so they handed the Mandate of Palestine to the UN. The UN then decided to split the mandate of Palestine into 2 countries - An arab country and a Jewish country - Israel and Palestine. Israel accepted the offer, the Palestinians did not.

in 1967 Israeli attempts to divert the waters of the Jordan (River) for irrigation projects, and Syriam attempts to stop the diversion by force. Of course, with the support of the Otan Israel won.

>>> You are wayyyy diverted from from facts here Jedito. The Israeli build of the National Leader (Hamovil Haarzi), which was supposed to irrigate as far as the negev desert, only played a small part in the causes of the Six-Day war. If you want, look for further trivia such as:

Egyptian bockade of the Tiran.
Egyptians and Syrians massing forces in the border.
Frequent Arab rhetoric talking about the coming war to the destruction of the Jewish country.


Both had crucial effects, for those reasons:
The Tiran was the only logical route Israel could use to Transfer oil from Iran and the Eilat bay was also a prospering port that time, blockade of the Tiran (In contrast to the UN decision that says they must be kept free for all by Egypt) was the trigger that started the war.
The massing of troops by Egyptians and Syrians was a major thread to Israel incase of attack, so Israel recruited ALL of it's soldiers and reserve units, such a move paralyzed It's economy. A country can't wait long with a paralyzed economy, so at the point of the Blockade Israel chose a pre-emptive strike.


That's BS, what are doing the colons now in palestine territory?

>>> I reffered to the early Zionists wmac talked about.
But if you still want to know more about the legality of the settlements just say so...

Why Isreal promote the settlements in Palestine territory?

>>> Internal politics, and also security reasons in part.

Do you know what's the "occupated territories" ?

>>> A term given to the Jordanian and Egpytian territories captured in the Six-Day war and given to Israel to discuss about with the Palestinians according to the Peace agreements between Israel-Egypt (1979) and Israel-Jordan (1994, shortly after the beginning of the Oslo discussions).

What do you think that this mean?

>>> Territories occupied as result of war but not as an Imperialist policy.

I always think what they might do if they had decided to take Argentina as their Israel.

You know that once they wanted to choose either Argentina or Palestine.

By the way what was the name Palestine? If it was not a land called palestine ? and what about its people ?

Well, more or less, they did it :)
Buenos Aires is the second city of the world with more Jews, First is NY.

Originally posted by wmac
I always think what they might do if they had decided to take Argentina as their Israel.

You know that once they wanted to choose either Argentina or Palestine.

By the way what was the name Palestine? If it was not a land called palestine ? and what about its people ?

The Zionists unanimously decided Palestine in the Zionist convention, no point in "What if"s here. History wouldn't be the same if history books were full with What Ifs. :rolleyes:

And yes I know that they considered Argentina as an option, I learned that in a few courses.

And the name "Palestine" is the name of a region. Is that so difficult to comprehend? :rolleyes:

Show me where in History the Palestinian country was founded. Other than that stop making baseless and factless points.

And the People of Palestine are Arabs from countries in the Region, named after the biblical Philistians. (In the Hebrew bible they are called "Plishtim").

I don't think it matters if Palestine was a country or not. The fact is a group of people were living in that area and they were expelled for Israel.

Both sides have f---ed up. Neither leader is going to achieve piece. Suicide bombings and the military occupation need to end. Suicide bombings happen because people are pissed at Israel, pissed at the way they're treated, the way they're humiliated, the way they're repressed, etc.

Stop giving them reasons to be pissed and they'll lose support and praise for blowing themselves up.

Debates on non-important facts is pointless, focus on the ideas.

This thread is so full of nonsense, inaccuracies, and wrong information, it isn't funny. I would hate to see your history and geography grades.

- Argentina was NOT the alternative site. Uganda was proposed by Herzl as a homeland for the Jews. This idea was quickly discarded.

- Check your history, Palestine was NOT a state - never was. It was the British Mandate of Palestine, after they conquered it from Turkey.

- The British Mandate of Palestine was barely populated. The few Palestinians who resided here were both Jews and Arabs.

- The Arabs living in Palestine refused to call themselves Palestinians. They considered themselves part of the "Arab Nation" and did not want the label Palestinian.

- The British carved out three-fourths of the territory of the Mandate to create an Arab emirate called Transjordan.

- No one was expelled during the Israeli war of Independence. The Arab countries in the region convinced the Arabs living in Palestine to vacate their homes to make way for the invading Arab armies to clear the Jews out of the land. The Arabs lost the war, those who fled were invited back, but most who fled refused to return.

- The so-called "West Bank" was illegally occcupied by Jordan until 1967, when Israel conqued this area. What was Jordan doing with this land from 1949 - 1967? Why is it that the Arabs did not insist that Jordan create a "Palestinian" state there?

- The PLO was founded in 1964, 3 years before Israel won the "West Bank" in a defensive war. The stated goals of the PLO, which have yet to be rescinded (in spite of the fact that this was a condition of Oslo), call for the destruction of the Jewish State to be replaced by a Palestinian State. No connection whatsoever to the "West Bank". The Arabs wanted to establish a 23rd Arab state to take the place of Israel, all of Israel - even before Israel won the "West Bank".

- The majority of the population in Jordan is Palestinian. More than twice the number of "Arab Palestinians" live on the "East Bank" of the Jordan River in Jordanian territory, than live on the "West Bank"

- Palestinians are by law guaranteed the RIGHT OF RETURN to Jordan, where they are entitled to citizenship, "unless they are Jews."

Speaking of Argentina and occupation...

It's the British who are currently occupying Argentina's Malvinas Islands where they established their colony/settlement of the Falklands. They even went to war against Argentina a few years back to fight back an attempt by the Argentinians to retake their land. Didn't hear anyone complaining about that.

Originally posted by Abu Mami
Speaking of Argentina and occupation...

It's the British who are currently occupying Argentina's Malvinas Islands where they established their colony/settlement of the Falklands. They even went to war against Argentina a few years back to fight back an attempt by the Argentinians to retake their land. Didn't hear anyone complaining about that.

I did, but not in this thread.

I got to laugh,

in 2005 Sadam will have his nukes, and the arguement will be settled in the old fasion way.

but here is the best part, there is yet a clear winner to that problem.


whoms going to roll the dice first.

mike

Originally posted by Abu Mami
This thread is so full of nonsense, inaccuracies, and wrong information, it isn't funny. I would hate to see your history and geography grades.


Argentina's case is obvious and there are tons of text on the internet about it.

Just curious, isn't AbuMami an Arab name? (I'm not sure, just asking because the domain name abumami.com belongs to a "Hersch, Yisrael" which is not an Arab name apparently) .

By the way my MS is in Electronics engineering not in histrory :)

Mac

Originally posted by wmac Argentina's case is obvious and there are tons of text on the internet about it. Well, actually several locations were mentioned. The British Mandate of Palestine, Uganda, Argentina, Cyprus, and the Congo. I think there were actually more, but these were at the top of the list. None of these were actually pursued except for Uganda, and of course, Palestine. The choice of Palestine was bound to prevail since it was the historical land of the Jewish people.

Just curious, isn't AbuMami an Arab name? (I'm not sure, just asking because the domain name abumami.com belongs to a "Hersch, Yisrael" which is not an Arab name apparently) .Yes, Abu Mami is an Arabic name, and I'm Jewish. Abu Mami is my nickname derived from my childrens' names. Abu means "father of", or "his father". It's common amongst Arabs for a father to take the name of his first born. So that a man who's first born's name is Ibrahim might call himself Abu Rami (Rami is short for Ibrahim). My name uses the initials of my first 3 children. The fourth was born after I got the name. I sort of like this custom - sort of the reverse of using Jr./Sr. or I, II, III, etc.

Also, many Jews have Arabic names since a good number came from Arab lands. (It should be noted that Israel provided a home to all Jewish refugees whether from Arab lands, the ruins of WW II Europe, or elsewhere).

When did the Intefadha begin?
How many years did the Palestine's wait for PEACE?
Well, peace didn't come!
Hezbollah in Lebanon have set a good example on how to end and Israeli invasion!

OK, there hasn't been a country called Palestine, so what? They didn't want to call it Palestine, so what? That doesn't matter.
I'm talking about people here. Real people, real children that are being slaughtered, for no reason whatsoever other than being Arab's reachable by the Israeli forces!

You think that Palestine's and Israelis are in equal situations? So you call Israel to stop their invasion and Palestine's to stop the terrorism?

There is no Israeli invasion. They enter a city, destroy houses, kill people, young and old, then they leave the city. Three days later, they enter it again!
I don't know what do you call it, but I'm sure this isn't how an invasion occurs!

Israelis want security so they kill Palestine's.
Palestine's want security, so they kill themselves. :rolleyes:

Do you know about Eman Hejo?
She didn't live enough to know if she had a country or not.

http://www.emanhejo.net/eindex.php3

Originally posted by IceBlaZe


[snip ..]

Also the Zionists never "occupied" the Land of Palestine - they legally purchased land from Arabs who lived in that area and in the sorrounding regions (such as Syria). Most of the land was bought by the Jewish National Fund in a later stage.

I guess that tells you something about sellind lands to Zionists :)

http://www.walk4israel.com/

Originally posted by Ahmad
When did the Intefadha begin?
How many years did the Palestine's wait for PEACE?
Well, peace didn't come!
Hezbollah in Lebanon have set a good example on how to end and Israeli invasion!

OK, there hasn't been a country called Palestine, so what? They didn't want to call it Palestine, so what? That doesn't matter.
I'm talking about people here. Real people, real children that are being slaughtered, for no reason whatsoever other than being Arab's reachable by the Israeli forces!

You think that Palestine's and Israelis are in equal situations? So you call Israel to stop their invasion and Palestine's to stop the terrorism?

There is no Israeli invasion. They enter a city, destroy houses, kill people, young and old, then they leave the city. Three days later, they enter it again!
I don't know what do you call it, but I'm sure this isn't how an invasion occurs!

Israelis want security so they kill Palestine's.
Palestine's want security, so they kill themselves. :rolleyes:

Don't even dare to compare israels self defence to suicide bombers

Israel invades for its protection, it demolishes BOMB FACTORIES and homes of terrorists. They go and kill leaders of Hamas and Jihad. Israeli army does not target women and children.

Most of us have seen the recent tape on CNN of a terrorist teaching how to make a bomb and set it off. THEN it has a diagram of a bus and teaches you were to stand to have the most effect. it teaches you to put rocks and nails to damage civilians for the REST of their lives - to live without an arm or a leg.
They recommend putting dirt so that wounds will get infected! Is that humane?

The army has the documents, the TAPES of the bomb tutorial, there are photos of over 70 suicide bombings. Children ripped into peices.

Show me hard evidence of an israeli slaughter or intentional targeting of civilians / children - every war has mishaps - mabey once in a while a child or civilian or bistander will get killed but we see that in the war in afgan - we all know the us isnt targeting women and children - accidents happen.

I can point to over 70 suicide bombings with pictures of civilians, children targeted to have a painful death and a life without an arm or a leg if they survive.

Unfortunately, as a Convert to Islam, i was never into this stuff until I read up on it and saw it from a non muslim perspective

But sadly to say, I have seen video tapes of some of these "Self Defense Invasions" and I can distinguish between accidental death of civilians and str8 up attacks on women and children.

Quite Honestly, Before judging Israel or Palestine, maybe you should see the "videos" of these so called Self Defense Invasions.

Some of the stuff is just sick sick sh*t.

buhhhh...ppl this is boring, isnt there enough other politictalk.com forums? it has nothing to do with hosting or internet so...calm down

Lets take a walk into reality now shall we.

(for the sake of argument) me and a couple of friends, decide to goto so called "Israel" (occupied land), we kill sum Israeli ***m, take over there so called "land" and houses, cars, shops everything they own, and name the land, "cookoo land" now wouldnt the jews be happy about this, I dont think so.

The only reason there is still Jews in so called "Israel" is because of the % of the jewish vote that gets casted in the USA for elections, without the jewish vote Bush would have never won the elections. (catch the drift).

Who's funding the so called "Israeli Army" the USA provide them with all the technology, all the funding, weapons, planes, tanks, and then you get the multi-national companies like Marks and Spencers, McDonalds, that provide funding to the jews, in so called "Israel" (occupied land)

The easy solution to this is for all the Arab States, to get together and provide Palestine, weapons, planes, technology, money, then i'd like the see the faces of the USA and Israeli ***m.

A lot of people need to see things in the real picture, rather than the picture that is shown to you by the USA media.

so called "Israel", even owned up to knowing that there were going to be attacks on the USA on Sep 11, but didnt bother notifying the USA, what they did do was call out all the jewsih people from the trade center, its funny how 100s of jews took holiday on Sep 11, from the trade center (catch the drift)

Bringing you people back to reality.

First off, israel is the US's only friend in that region. Israel did NOT know about the 9/11 before hand and stay quiet. Israel did NOT warn the jews to get out of the world trade center! THAT IS A LIE! 4 Jews from my neighborhood were in those buildings! And alot more died on that day too. Do not disgrace their deaths with that lie!

You talk about the American jewish vote... that would be less than 1% of the worlds population. What is the muslim vote? To tell you the truth, any powerful jew (with some exceptions) are the biggest antisemites!

And, in 1948 palestine was a marshland, nothing. We were given that land as a country. (I dont think the americans went it and asked the indians for land?) - We stayed in our area, then all the arab nations decide to declare war on this new tiny state. And israel wins and takes over more land - did we steal it? No, we won it in a war declared by the arabs. Before 1967, the palestinians did not want a state. The other arab countries did not want them.

Hm.. Americans goto america and slaughter the indians, israel is given palestine and turns it from a marshland into a modern democratic country. The palestinians would be part of society there, but unfortunately - lets say today the us moved al-quida (however you spell it) to your state - how would you feel walking the streets?

Don't tell me about any videos of the israeli army, you see incursions and blowing up of emtpy buildings or homes of suicide bombers - do you see them going into towns and detonating bombs that kill 30 people and maim people ON PURPOSE to cut off hands and legs, and put dirt in so wounds get infected? I can show you 70 in the last 21 months.

Originally posted by MaB
First off, israel is the US's only friend in that region. Israel did NOT know about the 9/11 before hand and stay quiet. Israel did NOT warn the jews to get out of the world trade center! THAT IS A LIE! 4 Jews from my neighborhood were in those buildings! And alot more died on that day too. Do not disgrace their deaths with that lie!

You talk about the American jewish vote... that would be less than 1% of the worlds population. What is the muslim vote? To tell you the truth, any powerful jew (with some exceptions) are the biggest antisemites!

And, in 1948 palestine was a marshland, nothing. We were given that land as a country. (I dont think the americans went it and asked the indians for land?) - We stayed in our area, then all the arab nations decide to declare war on this new tiny state. And israel wins and takes over more land - did we steal it? No, we won it in a war declared by the arabs. Before 1967, the palestinians did not want a state. The other arab countries did not want them.

Don't tell me about any videos of the israeli army, you see incursions and blowing up of emtpy buildings or homes of suicide bombers - do you see them going into towns and detonating bombs that kill 30 people and maim people ON PURPOSE to cut off hands and legs, and put dirt in so wounds get infected? I can show you 70 in the last 21 months.

I've seen a lot worse atrocities on Palestinians than on any jew in any country, even Hitler was a lot more humane than the jews are today.

Stealing land and winning it via war is a thing of the past, if that was the case, then why was Saddam Hussain stopped from taking over his own land Kuwait, its called singling out, USA and the jews are trying to remove the only powers that can stand upto them.

The reason they didnt let Kuwait get re-occupied was because USA wanted the OIL in that region, and that what its doing now to Afganistan. With no OIL the WEST is useless.

Dont talk about we dont know this, we are innocent jews are just as bad as any so called terrorist state, if not worse.

ISRAEL knew everything its been in the darn papers you fool, i'll dig out the article and paste the link here for you.

<<I've seen a lot worse atrocities on Palestinians than on any jew in any country, even Hitler was a lot more humane than the
jews are today.>>
Care to explain? I can show you 70 suicide bombings. show me something?

<<Stealing land and winning it via war is a thing of the past, if that was the case, then why was Saddam Hussain stopped from taking over his own land Kuwait, its called singling out, USA and the jews are trying to remove the only powers that can stand upto them.>>
Stop saying USA and the jews. This is not a scifi movies. There is no conspiracy. Jews = < .1% of the world.

<<Dont talk about we dont know this, we are innocent jews are just as bad as any so called terrorist state, if not worse.>>
How, you keep saying things but not backing it....

<<ISRAEL knew everything its been in the darn papers you fool, i'll dig out the article and paste the link here for you. >>
Fool, the US knew too. And Israel is constantly telling the us about threats but the us doesnt listen - the us knew about the threats itself... find the link.

Originally posted by MaB
Hm.. Americans goto america and slaughter the indians, israel is given palestine and turns it from a marshland into a modern democratic country. The palestinians would be part of society there, but unfortunately - lets say today the us moved al-quida (however you spell it) to your state - how would you feel walking the streets?

Whats wrong with the al-qaeida?
The USA pronounced them as terrorists and you take there word for it, go get a life mate.
Everything was going fine in Afganistan before the USA/Jews smelt the OIL in that country.

Shut up with the USA/Jews you ignorant fool - Bin laden flying 2 planes into the towers and hijacking 2 others is enough of a reason to invade.

USA was attacked by al-quida - usa invades their backing country and overthrows the terrorist government to create a democracy
Israel is attacked by 70+ suicide bombers in the last 21 months - israel should demolish the plo and make a democratic system.

Originally posted by MaB
Shut up with the USA/Jews you ignorant fool - Bin laden flying 2 planes into the towers and hijacking 2 others is enough of a reason to invade.

USA was attacked by al-quida - usa invades their backing country and overthrows the terrorist government to create a democracy
Israel is attacked by 70+ suicide bombers in the last 21 months - israel should demolish the plo and make a democratic system.

Looks like the pimp is getting mad :bawling:

The truth always hurts, and you could never face upto it anyhow.

BinLaden eh? where the proof there is NO proof.

USA was attacked by jews, i'm telling ya I can SMELL it, my nose is very sensitive you know.

Originally posted by cabalstudios


Looks like the pimp is getting mad :bawling:
...
USA was attacked by jews, i'm telling ya I can SMELL it.

Im mad at your ignorance.
You sound like a supermarket tabloid - the jews attacked usa on 9/11. Anyone with 1/2 a brain would know how dumb that sounds.

Whats wrong with the al-qaeida?

man you have seriuos problems....someone should lock this topic

Enough - Im not changing your views, you are not changing mine. I've seen this many times on tv before :) - its useless. Everyone believes what he/she wants to and accepts as truth what he/she wants to. This is a hosting forum, im sorry i even got into this whole thing

Originally posted by MaB
Enough - Im not changing your views, you are not changing mine. I've seen this many times on tv before :) - its useless. Everyone believes what he/she wants to and accepts as truth what he/she wants to. This is a hosting forum, im sorry i even got into this whole thing

AGREED, we cant win either way.

Cabal, just leave these Americans alone, some are really good, but some are the ones who think they can nuke anyone and invade anywhere they want. They think they are god on earth..

Yes, why couldn't Saddam keep Kuwait? Kuwait always belonged to Iraq (look up history)..

I agree with Cabal & Jedito on this topic.

Originally posted by cabalstudios

Stealing land and winning it via war is a thing of the past

Yes, and the arab nations were going to just hand back israel after and say "we were just kidding, heres your land back"

Israel's land always belonged to the arabs, personally i can't wait till America butts out of everyones affair especially in the middle east, go away your not needed..

Just trying to secure your oil in the middle east, if only us stupid arabs would unite and toss you guys out..

Whos land was it before the arabs? the jews

no you are wrong, read the bible, god took the land from the philistines (palestinians) and gave it to the jews, he made the palestinians slaves..

now if iraq was to do that to kuwait, i don't think the U.S would just sit there and watch, now would they ? :rolleyes:

I'm going to ignore this thread from now on like my friend cobol - this is a hosting forum :) im sorry for bringing it up again

oh ok - your ignoring a very interesting thread..

I know its tempting for you to reply, same with cabal, so just reply..

Btw its the lounge, posts don't have to be webhosting related :stickout

I know - we both want to reply :)

Listen, the truth is im not going to change your mind you will not change mine. I beleive what i think is correct and you beleive what you think is correct - thats why the world is interesting - everyone is unique :) -To quote someone famous - why cant we all just get along :) (PS im sorry if i offended anyone in this thread (ie cabal by name calling) it's obviously a heated/personal topic for us)

So... hows the hosting biz :)

lol, i just post here for fun lol - i'm interested in knowing everyones opinion aswell as posting mine..

Well, i stole a bit of land off another host (maybe customers), and now they are going to suicide bomb me :bawling:

J/K

By the way, nice job with hostingchat.net :)
Your the same edude on hostingchat right?

Yep i am, i don't own hostingchat.net, another forum member does..

Joe (jbiz718).

Oh, cause you have that url in your sig..:) oops
You're nearing 2000 posts! Mabey we should just argue to get oyu to 2k? j/k

lol MaB, in all truth, that was really the plan - the only reason i entered this conversation.. LOL :D

You ever use a tyan motherboard for a server? Just got a dual one with raid, thing crapped out on me - sooo many issues. Just sent it back. Got a supermicro with the same chipset and everything but no raid - and the thing is too big to fit in a normal tower case? I had to take the backplate off a 1u to make it fit... then it wouldn't run at 133 bus speed, i had to lower it to 100 and so it doesnt see the 933mhz cpu it sees 700MHz and the customer is telling me i ripped him off and gave him 700. I put it in a whole new case and mb.... what a day...