Hello,

I am compiling a list of the cheapest H-Sphere hosts that offer reseller accounts. I understand the concept "you get what you pay for" but I am compiling the list to review regardless.

I will start...

www.jodohost.com
www.vortechhosting.com
www.ourinternet.us

Anything cheaper out there??

Thanks,

Neofree

Cheap and h-sphere don't tend to go together. Jodo has a fairly good rep out of those 3.

I have to say... It doesnt make sense. Both cPanel and Plesk carry a per server cost. H-Sphere has to be cheaper then either one. I've done a price comparison and at the 1-2 server level it is definately way cheaper. So if H-Sphere is cheaper, why aren't H-Sphere hosts competing with the cPanel/Plesk prices? My only explanation is that anyone who has millions to start a web host ends up choosing Plesk or cPanel, and not H-Sphere, and is able to offer low prices because of the large investment in volume.

Thanks,

Neofree

I have to say... It doesnt make sense. Both cPanel and Plesk carry a per server cost. H-Sphere has to be cheaper then either one. I've done a price comparison and at the 1-2 server level it is definately way cheaper. So if H-Sphere is cheaper, why aren't H-Sphere hosts competing with the cPanel/Plesk prices? My only explanation is that anyone who has millions to start a web host ends up choosing Plesk or cPanel, and not H-Sphere, and is able to offer low prices because of the large investment in volume.

Thanks,

Neofree
Well, you have a few things to consider:

1) The clustered environment of H-Sphere is such that to offer it in its fullest and intended form, you are looking at a seven or eight server cluster just to start. Control Panel, email, DNS1 and DNS2, Windows, Linux, MySQL and MSSQL. Some hosts combine dns1 or dns2 with another service but you get the gist of it.

2) The end product comparison is just not a fair one on any party. On the one hand you have H-Sphere, the all-in-one solution that allows resellers to sell multiple platforms from one account with inbuilt billing, support and general customer management. On the other hand you have cpanel and/or plesk that are single-OS environments that don't offer clustering to the same extent as H-Sphere and require third party modules for resellers to get going.

Regarding the cost of running the different panels: This has been discussed at great length on these forums. The costs are relative and change from provider to provider.

One final thing to keep in mind is that H-Sphere is a very specialised market. This extends to the support team. H-Sphere, when installed, almost morphs in to an Operating System of it's own. The technical know-how requirement is quite a bit higher with a H-Sphere environment (compared to a cpanel/plesk environment) and that can lead to higher wages and larger staff rosters.


Simon

You are right about H-Sphere being a specialized market and that has to be it's biggest fault. You are talking about 8 servers. I'm talking about the guys who make their own DC or have 100-1000 servers. Who spend many more thousands on Virtuozzo and Plesk, or cPanel.

If it was just www.ipower.com, www.godaddy.com starting a new price trend that'd be one thing, but there are so many of these hosts offering 5-10GB for under $10/month now.

Thanks,

Neofree

One thing to consider when pricing hsphere is that there is a per user license fee, that is why most have limits on users but not domains, or high a high amount of domains allowed with a smaller amount of users.

If it was just www.ipower.com, www.godaddy.com starting a new price trend that'd be one thing, but there are so many of these hosts offering 5-10GB for under $10/month now.

H-Sphere is a business-enabling platform. It makes no sense at all to offer H-Sphere at dirt-cheap prices. Not really because of the licensing costs (which can be as low as $1-2 per year per user, with psoft support), but because it would be foolish for a provider to offer so much and take such a narrow profit.


H-Sphere is not devoid of cheap providers but, as with every control panel, those providers often come with a caveat emptor label.

You are talking about 8 servers. I'm talking about the guys who make their own DC or have 100-1000 servers. Who spend many more thousands on Virtuozzo and Plesk, or cPanel.
I think you misunderstood my post. I am talking about a minimum of eight servers, to start, as opposed to the two/three servers Plesk or cPanel environment. From there a company can build as they see fit. They can centralise their DNS servers and have hundreds of cPanel/Plesk servers communicate with the central 3-6 dns servers or they can take a H-Sphere cluster up in to the hundreds, server wise. Also keep in mind that when you're buying in bulk from SWSoft and/or cPanel, those licensing prices come plummeting down (as they do with H-Sphere).


Simon

neofree, I'd find it hard to believe that our packages are priced expensive. We do push out alot of resources (matched with premium features). But no we do not engage in ridiculous overselling or space/bandwidth wars. We do not compromise on our profit margins because we as a company do not want to compromise on the people we hire, and on the hardware we buy.

there is a huge market out there with people who are looking for quality hosting with reasonable amount of resources but good features and good service. You can either be the many ordinary fish in the sea offering tons of resources, competing for the same client base.. or you can be a smarter fish that brands itself differently and hunts for a smarter clientbase

H-Sphere has to be cheaper then either one. I've done a price comparison and at the 1-2 server level it is definately way cheaper.

H-Sphere is a per license fee and is actually much more expensive to start up then a cpanel environment on startup. You do not actually begin to see a cost savings on hsphere unless you study TCO over 6,12,24+ months (which sadly, not every hosting company thinks that far ahead)

My only explanation is that anyone who has millions to start a web host ends up choosing Plesk or cPanel, and not H-Sphere, and is able to offer low prices because of the large investment in volume.

This is absolutely absurd. You can start a cpanel hosting service with a $100 or less server and a $25 cpanel rental (or whatever it goes for).

I would say that companies building their business on an hsphere platform, tend to target different audiences then the bargain hosting market. Certainly you will find hsphere hosts playing in this market - as really, it is actually wiser to build such a business in a clustered, multi-platform, automated environment -

My $0.02 CAD

A 50 client license can be leased from www.ourinternet.us for $25/month. The price 0.50/account per month is actually available from a few different H-Sphere resellers. I've done *exactly* what you just said with H-Sphere in the past. $100 server. $25 for H-Sphere licenses. So that doesn't really say anything.

If you go *direct*, you are looking about $2000 for cPanel, about $1500 for Plesk (if you add Application Vault, Antivirus and a couple other things I think you really should have), and $450 for H-Sphere. H-Sphere wins the price battle.

Also, I recently worked with another company who we did a cost comparison on a two server setup of Plesk and H-Sphere, and we use a standard 3 year cost comparison. H-Sphere won by a landslide.

Thanks,

Neofree

If you go *direct*, you are looking about $2000 for cPanel, about $1500 for Plesk (if you add Application Vault, Antivirus and a couple other things I think you really should have), and $450 for H-Sphere. H-Sphere wins the price battle.


Neofree, very few people pay $2000 for cPanel, I hope you realise. You can license for under $50/month. I remember a while back we became a cPanel reseller and you could get licenses even cheaper than that directly from cPanel.

Plesk too, you can do a monthly lease for around $50/month for everything you need on a single server. Both Plesk and cPanel have reseller programs that allow the resell of their licenses at low cost.

HSphere has NO such program. Any company that is leasing out 100 licenses for $50/month is paying for those 100 licenses from their own pocket. PSOFT has no official licensing scheme.

Also, most Hsphere hosts are going to install more than 100 licenses per web server. We typically use much more.. and on average are paying out around $1500 to $2000 per web server we install, plus 25% annually on that fee. we end up spending quite a bit of money each month on HSphere licensing

The competition between the control panels is rarely about price as the absolute bottom line is that they are not that far removed from one another.

Each panel development company can justify their own price tags at both provider and development level. If they couldn't do that then they wouldn't be able to continue bringing out great products that help the juggernaut that is the hosting industry continue to grow.

Neither cPanel or H-Sphere deserve to be saddled with the unfair and unjustified tag of being more expensive than the other.

The comparisons belong on the feature level, where the differences in offering are easy to compare, uncontestable and not subject to buffering by any party.

Simon

We asked PSOFT (H-SPHERE) some specific questions, but til now without getting any response from then, proberly they are not interested into new clients?

Or they are very slow in answering questions........

Greetings:

1. Please consider posting your questions in the appropriate area on http://forum.psoft.net/

2. I believe Igor and Carlos, the two head people, are at a convention this week.

3. If you generically emailed sales, consider resending copying Carlos Rego <carlos@psoft.net>

Thank you.

Greetings:

1. Please consider posting your questions in the appropriate area on http://forum.psoft.net/

2. I believe Igor and Carlos, the two head people, are at a convention this week.

3. If you generically emailed sales, consider resending copying Carlos Rego <carlos@psoft.net>

Thank you.

Thanks Peter I wil do.
Regards,
John

Hello,

I am compiling a list of the cheapest H-Sphere hosts that offer reseller accounts. I understand the concept "you get what you pay for" but I am compiling the list to review regardless.

I will start...

www.jodohost.com
www.vortechhosting.com
www.ourinternet.us

Anything cheaper out there??

Thanks,

Neofree

www.successfulhosting.com
www.steadfastnetworks.com

Well successfulhosting.com seems priced competitively.. Are they any good? We just moved to Plesk!! GRR :)

just FYI

http://hspherehosts.com

:)

Well successfulhosting.com seems priced competitively.. Are they any good? We just moved to Plesk!! GRR :)

They seem pretty good so far :)

just FYI

http://hspherehosts.com

:)

Just out of curiosity why do you not think it wrong to be competing against your own clients?

Just out of curiosity why do you not think it wrong to be competing against your own clients?

did you click the link ?

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Originally Posted by RossH
Just out of curiosity why do you not think it wrong to be competing against your own clients?


did you click the link ?
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Carlos Rego :eek:
Managing Director, PSoft Dept.
Comodo Group (* H-Sphere *)

It is only a overview from h-sphere companies, nothing wrong with......

did you click the link ?
Carlos, don't take this as jumping down your back, but I imagine he's talking about your hosting company (or former?) that is listed in the database.

Well considering that this link shows Successful Hosting as having the highest rating, I do not think it puts Carlos's site in the spotlight. Thanks for the link. :)

Carlos, don't take this as jumping down your back, but I imagine he's talking about your hosting company (or former?) that is listed in the database.

Bingo.......

It's not an attack or anything like that. I just don't see how it is right to compete with your own clients in the same business and I was wondering Carlos's thoughts on it.

Carlos, don't take this as jumping down your back, but I imagine he's talking about your hosting company (or former?) that is listed in the database.

If I had posted that direct link here, yes .. I could see the argument ..

This has been discussed before 4 years ago.

http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=83654