I was looking around yesterday and I saw a host offering THIS:
1 GHz AMD Processor
400 GB bandwidth
60 GB space
512 MB memory
Plesk PSA 2.5 300 Domains License
RedHat 7.2
1 IP Address

$119/month with NO SETUP.


I didn't believe this was possible. Plesk licenses cost a huge setup fee, right? And then to offer the 400GB of bandwidth and space. Is this profitable? Are there other hosts out there offering deals like this?

can you post the site URL ???

i am also looking for a cheap PLESK linux server

Sorry:)

www.serverbeach.com

Nice prices.... cheap Raq they have too.

But $15 reboot charge. That would cost a small fortune for a lot of people :)

Guess it would. But still, unbeatable prices.

Originally posted by mas3000
Guess it would. But still, unbeatable prices. Dunno. I'm currently debating over Nocster and FDCServers. Good prices and good reputations.

Serverbeach has some interesting prices, like for *each* additional IP: $25 setup, $2.5 monthly...

I don't know, something doesn't feel right about all this... 500 servers available under each plan? And no company info? Yeah... ;)

Originally posted by Ales
I don't know, something doesn't feel right about all this... 500 servers available under each plan? And no company info? Yeah... ;) Yeah, I agree. Sounds a bit fishy to me, too.

So essentially they hand you the box in working condition, and if you need any kind of support or upgrade, they charge you dearly for it.

Exactly... sounds a lot like RackShack to me ;)

It appears they just registered the domain in March of this year.
Not that that's a bad thing. Just something else you should consider.

well, they're not rackshack but are in texas.

but, i'm going through southwestern bell to get to them. is that a telco in that area?

Last time I checked, Texas was in the Southwestern part of the US. ;)

From their FAQ:


What is your policy on bandwidth?

Bandwidth is a shared resource. Our network is burstable, however, excessive use or abuse of these shared network resources by one customer may have a negative impact on other customers. Misuse of network resources in a manner which impairs network performance is prohibited by this policy and may result in termination of your account.


Does that mean that they can shut your server down if you use near your 400gb of bandwidth ?

Originally posted by illogix
From their FAQ:


What is your policy on bandwidth?

Bandwidth is a shared resource. Our network is burstable, however, excessive use or abuse of these shared network resources by one customer may have a negative impact on other customers. Misuse of network resources in a manner which impairs network performance is prohibited by this policy and may result in termination of your account.


Does that mean that they can shut your server down if you use near your 400gb of bandwidth ?

I believe what they're talking about is that if you use too much over your allotted bandwidth amount they could shut down your server. I would assume you'd be able to use the 400GB that they give you.:confused:

I've been looking at Serverbeach, along with a few other companies. To be honest, I'm no closer to deciding, but their offer was tempting. What I was told in an e-mail from the company was...

Support is via e-mail and not 24/7 at the moment. One of the reasons we can price so low is low overhead on the support side. We plan on providing support packages but its not in place at the moment.

I would assume that is one reason they can offer such low prices. However, the fact that they are not an established company (as well as the fact that they charge $15 per reboot) is putting me off somewhat... any more thoughts?

Originally posted by Ales
I don't know, something doesn't feel right about all this... 500 servers available under each plan? And no company info?

Some company info is available if you click on "About Us" on their site. Also, from what I've heard, the 500 servers was just a testing number they put in during the beta testing period, not sure on that one though.

Despite that, I would still like to hear from someone who has used them before, or if someone finds some definite information on them! :)

heh, well yeah, i KNEW that. i was just wondering if southwest bell was a telco in the area. although, i guess, it is a bell, so i guess i should have known better than ask. :)


they're running a t1, t3, ds, or ds3 i guess.



Originally posted by cperciva
Last time I checked, Texas was in the Southwestern part of the US. ;)

Their shopping cart fashion turns me off.

Originally posted by mas3000
I was looking around yesterday and I saw a host offering THIS:
1 GHz AMD Processor
400 GB bandwidth
60 GB space
512 MB memory
Plesk PSA 2.5 300 Domains License
RedHat 7.2
1 IP Address

$119/month with NO SETUP.


I didn't believe this was possible. Plesk licenses cost a huge setup fee, right? And then to offer the 400GB of bandwidth and space. Is this profitable? Are there other hosts out there offering deals like this?

It all comes into relavence, a lot of people oversell resources knowing you wont use them. Do you really need 400gb of bandwidth? Do you really need a 300 domain license of plesk (would 30 or 100 be better)? If you answered no to either or both of those, then you're obviously not getting the most out of this deal, and it could be beat.

I've got to agree with what other people are saying, this sounds very close to rackshack. And yes, plesk prices are fairly expensive, unless you get a whole load, which is why rackshack offers plesk, i'd imagine since they're probably around 3000 licenses if not more, that they get them dirt cheap, probably well under $99/ea. for 300 domains (but thats just a guess)

No, most people probably wouldn't use that. But still, having the flexibility to go up to 400GB of bandwidth and 60GB of space is great. In addition to that, it's only $119/month:D.

Unless their support is terrible, looks good so far.

I would appreciate comments from customers of theirs, but since they are fairly new, I don't think I'll get any.

Their site is interesting, to say the least. What is most interesting to me is who is the coordinator on their IP addresses. Make one start thinging about WHO might really be behind them.

Food for thought.

Did anyone else notice that?

There’s no SSL when you’re signing up and when you enter your credit card information:mad:, (I entered false information and proceeded to the payment section;)). That’s so unprofessional and unsafe!

Originally posted by headsurfer
Their site is interesting, to say the least. What is most interesting to me is who is the coordinator on their IP addresses. Make one start thinging about WHO might really be behind them.

Food for thought.

Did anyone else notice that?

The ServerBeach network is multi-homed with DS3 and OC3 connections (which typically run at less than 40% capacity, even at peak times) through SBC and Allegiance, providing fast, reliable connectivity.

Rackspace.com e-mail address on IPs

but Allegiance don't provider rackspace.com will bandwidth .. or do they :confused:

i've never heard of "Allegiance" :confused:

More food for thought......

Server Beach is not listed with the Texas Secretary of State as a corporation. Directory assistance in San Antonio and Plano have no listing either.

The 5150 Broadway address, according to the Bexar county property records web site, is a Mail Boxes Etc. location.

I'm all for more competition. It makes for a healthier marketplace.

I've been an advocate of open forums, open chat, public bandwidth graphs, and lots of data center pics. Why not show everyone what you have??????

Just my thoughts .... oh, forgot ... best of luck to Mr. Oneacre and Mr. Spurgeon and congrats on your opening.

And who are Mr. Oneacre and Mr. Spurgeon?:confused:

Spurgeon is listed as the domain owner and Oneacre is listed as the IP coordinator.

ServerBeach.com (NETBLK-SBCIS-043002133006)
2701 W 15th St PMB 236
Plano, TX 75075
US

Netname: SBCIS-043002133006
Netblock: 66.139.72.0 - 66.139.79.255

Coordinator:
Oneacre, John (JO565-ARIN) joneacre@rackspace.com
210-892-4000

Record last updated on 05-May-2002.

Hi all,

We're just getting started (as many of you have figured out!). There's been a lot of speculation regarding a Rackspace connection - understandable since we're taking over a small rackspace DC... one that was never put online and we're in the process of transitioning things - thus the San Antonio location, IP coordinator showing up as Rackshack and the P.O. box address. There will be some bumps as we get up and running - but we'll have DC pictures soon and will continue to refine the offering.

Anyhow, our SSL cert is being held up by paperwork (any day now), Allegiance is the old Digex/Intermedia network, here's the press release:

http://www.algx.com/about_allegiance/in_the_news/intermedia_acquisition.jsp

The connections are DS3 and up... there are four OC-48's coming in from various carriers.

Appreciate the questions - we're listening.

good luck

Originally posted by sandguy


Anyhow, our SSL cert is being held up by paperwork (any day now), Allegiance is the old Digex/Intermedia network, here's the press release:



Held up by paperwork? What paperwork? You can get an instant SSL cert at many places... including Rackshack for only $49!!!

Originally posted by rastoma



Held up by paperwork? What paperwork? You can get an instant SSL cert at many places... including Rackshack for only $49!!!

Oh relax... SSL appears to be working now anyways.

It looks like they have thier own IP's, or lease them from Southwestern Bell.



06/04/02 06:37:59 IP block serverbeach.com@whois.nic.am
Trying 66.139.72.8 at ARIN
Trying 66.139.72 at ARIN
Southwestern BellInternet Services (NETBLK-SBIS-SBIS-5BLK) SBIS-SBIS-5BLK
66.136.0.0 - 66.141.255.255
ServerBeach.com (NETBLK-SBCIS-043002133006) SBCIS-043002133006
66.139.72.0 - 66.139.79.255

The links are dead on the Products Page (http://www.serverbeach.com/products.php) Did they work before?

Good Luck ServerBeach!
--------------------------------
ServerBeach, I wish best of luck to you in business endeavors. All successful businesses had to start some place. You took quiet a bit of beating and criticism on this forum, but thanks for responding with the answers.

Mr. Marsh who is the HeadSurfer of Rackshack.net which owns this Forum and web site (webhostingtalk) should not go to the point of background checking and bashing his competition here.

Originally posted by sitekeeper
The links are dead on the Products Page (http://www.serverbeach.com/products.php) Did they work before?
Interesting... on the products page if you click "Buy Now" the link is broken.:eek3:

Originally posted by calvint
Good Luck ServerBeach!
--------------------------------
You took quiet a bit of beating and criticism on this forum, but thanks for responding with the answers.



what beating and criticism?
You might like to just browse these forums and see what a REAL beating and critism some hosts come in for on here.

Originally posted by rally


what beating and criticism?
You might like to just browse these forums and see what a REAL beating and critism some hosts come in for on here.
:laugh:

Originally posted by rally


what beating and criticism?
You might like to just browse these forums and see what a REAL beating and critism some hosts come in for on here.

Gah! dont point him to all of my posts :laugh: wheres that "onthecatwalks" one? that one was a classic :D

Nice blank post there get-hosted, is that a new form of ad or what?

Good luck with serverbeach, hope they are more reliable than the hosts I have had experience with that did not give much info.

Originally posted by Ales

I don't know, something doesn't feel right about all this... 500 servers available under each plan? And no company info? Yeah... ;)
They took off that 500 server thing. They must of realized it.:D

I will be purchasing a server through them this weekend. I don't mind working with little tech support, seeing as how I've done it before with my old hosts...

I wish the best of luck to ServerBeach, and to the folks here at WHT, I'll be posting comments and reviews on what I think of ServerBeach once I get going. :)

Originally posted by Radon3k
I will be purchasing a server through them this weekend. I don't mind working with little tech support, seeing as how I've done it before with my old hosts...

I wish the best of luck to ServerBeach, and to the folks here at WHT, I'll be posting comments and reviews on what I think of ServerBeach once I get going. :)
Good.:) Post them here. I'd like to see how they are.

Yep, will do sir. I'm interested myself to see how they pan out. :)

Someone in this thread posted something about $15 for a reboot. Can't you just do a manual reboot via command line?

Originally posted by smidwap
Someone in this thread posted something about $15 for a reboot. Can't you just do a manual reboot via command line?

Assuming you can get to the command line :)

Lol, that's what I was thinking.:D

Originally posted by smidwap
Someone in this thread posted something about $15 for a reboot. Can't you just do a manual reboot via command line?

You can't get to a command line if the server is locked up.... which would be the reason you'd have to call in for a reboot.

What would make a reboot so expensive? They could probably save some criticism by allowing reboots through the command line.:D

they probobly have to go get someone to go push the button ;)

i might sign up since rackshack's setups are a bit outside my (impatient) butt.

What would make a reboot so expensive? They could probably save some criticism by allowing reboots through the command line.

they are a business trying to make money. you buy the server at a low price (they probably won't make too much on the box itself)and then once you have an established client base, you make money on little upgrades and reboots. just a different way of business, good luck serverbeach

I believe the "per reboot" issue will be a thing of the past at Serverbeach soon enough, due to popular opinion.

We presented them with some questions, and they seemed very prompt and up front. Definitely one to watch in the near future.

Cheers

Gary

Hi all -

Apologies - we used the wrong terminology on the site - the charge is for power cycling the box. You guys can reboot all you want -

We'll clarify it on the site as well -

Thanks for the feedback!

sandguy, there are a couple of posts here who seem to come from inexperienced users... you shouldn't think that the vast majority of forum members doesn't know the difference between reboot from shell, soft reboot and a hard reboot.

Trust me, 99% of us still think that a $15 charge for any kind of reboot is nuts, no matter how you word your sentences ;)

Don't get me wrong, I sincerely wish you a good luck with your business venture. More providers bring more choices for all the users... that's great.

But IMHO - some of your prices are crazy in the positive sense, some are crazy in the negative sense. The bad thing is that the mix of these two leaves a bad feeling for any experienced admin...

IP charges, reboot charges, Plesk upgrade charges... whre does it end...? :)

Originally posted by Ales
Trust me, 99% of us still think that a $15 charge for any kind of reboot is nuts, no matter how you word your sentences ;)


I don't like the $15 either... but if I don't have to wait for it for hours on end then I think its worth it... I have had some experience where reboots took DAYS due to holidays and stuff... ACK!

But really, As long as I administer the box correctly there should be no need to power cycle it... my boxes have uptimes of 400+ days... I think the last time I needed a hard reboot was when I experimented with some hdparm tweeks - never again... 600+ day uptime went POOF! <grumble>

And what's with this Get-hosted crap?

Can Serverbeach really make money in the short-term?

First, they have to pay off the server. Then, pay off the Plesk license. THEN, pay for the bandwidth you use. I would think this would take months. And is this a smart idea? As if they are bombarded with this plan they could go under.:eek2:

I say you can question it, but don't dwell on it. Just give them a chance and we'll see. If they go under, it is hopefully only a small loss to us. They would probably only go under if they had few customers, so not too many people would be affected (I won't even start with the web hosting hierarchy tree:) ).

So, has anyone tried ServerBeach yet? I am interested but want to see what someone(if anyone) has to say.

Originally posted by Zero
So, has anyone tried ServerBeach yet? I am interested but want to see what someone(if anyone) has to say.

There's a post here from a guy named PoleCat2 who claims they've had 100% uptime... he seems pretty happy:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52162

I suppose only time will tell for sure tho'...

only thing i didnt like was no IRC :)

Well, I have put an order in with them. I hope this isnt a big mistake. But if it is, I will let you all know.

Server Beach is not listed with the Texas Secretary of State as a corporation. Directory assistance in San Antonio and Plano have no listing either.

That could be their division or website or business name and may not be the name of the compay. Company may be registered under some other name with the office of the scretaray. Same goes for directory assistance.

Yeah I plan on putting an order in with them sometime this weekend, so we'll see how it turns out. Who knows, they could turn out to be the best thing since sliced bread, or the worst....One never knows, but we shall see :)

Originally posted by Radon3k
Yeah I plan on putting an order in with them sometime this weekend, so we'll see how it turns out. Who knows, they could turn out to be the best thing since sliced bread, or the worst....One never knows, but we shall see :)
Hopefully they're good.:)

Well I bought the server earlier this morning so now I'm just waiting for them to set it up for me :)

Let us know if you need to add any IP's and see how much your monthly total is after that and see if they are still the cheapest around :)

Well I do need to add 2 IP's for the DNS as well as the ptr.

Yeah, ip prices are killers, I ordered a server with them yesterday, and it was set up today. So if all goes will I will reply here saying only good things about them on monday.

me and a buddy just got ours, so far nothing wrong, we still playing with it.

will post to see if we run into any bumps in the road.

Originally posted by Radon3k
Well I bought the server earlier this morning so now I'm just waiting for them to set it up for me :)
How long did it take to set up the servers?

Well I got an email back from the guy and he said it should be ready to go by early tomorrow after noon. Now I'm not expert at how long things should take to set up, but these guys seem pretty new, and it seems like they are doing the best they can, so, so far I'm happy with them. I'll be keeping you guys informed as time progresses and the server is up and what not. :)

Originally posted by Radon3k
Well I got an email back from the guy and he said it should be ready to go by early tomorrow after noon. Now I'm not expert at how long things should take to set up, but these guys seem pretty new, and it seems like they are doing the best they can, so, so far I'm happy with them. I'll be keeping you guys informed as time progresses and the server is up and what not. :)
Up yet?

Not yet...I just emailed them, so I guess for right now it's a sit and wait game. They could be setting up a lot of servers, or they could just not be there for the weekend. We'll see I suppose...

Server Beach is not listed with the Texas Secretary of State as a corporation. Directory assistance in San Antonio and Plano have no listing either.

My only point with the comment is why not tell us who you are. If you have nothing to hide, come on out and tell folks who they are contracting with. If you read the TOS, it refers to Serverbeach.com..... which does not appear to be a corporation in Texas.

If they have nothing to hide...... ???????

I just got the server, about the time they said I would :)

Just be sure and let us know how it goes....:D

Hey, I have had my server for around 2 days. I put in an order yesterday for the ip's and they got back to me today saying they would have them by sunday/monday. So I think all is going to be good with them.

Same here. :)

How is the server speed? And what about the support?

Good server speed, and they dont seem to be in the office for too many hours during the day.

Hello, I've read through this thred and I'm very interested in Serverbeach.com. I really like to know how fast they can respond to customers reboot requests.
If they can act really quick, I think it worth $15.

Originally posted by SFX
Hello, I've read through this thred and I'm very interested in Serverbeach.com. I really like to know how fast they can respond to customers reboot requests.
If they can act really quick, I think it worth $15.

Why?? If you can get it for free elsewhere? Are the IP's worth $2.50 each too if they can get them to you quickly?

Originally posted by Drewcifer


Why?? If you can get it for free elsewhere? Are the IP's worth $2.50 each too if they can get them to you quickly?
I agree their add-ons are quite pricey.

Because I though I don't need to ask for the hard reboot so often.
May be once in 2 months.
I read someone posted in this thread that he waited days for just a reboot, and I also have that experience.

But I don't feel the same for IPs.
I wish if they included at least two IPs in the basic package.

Don't you mean 3? 1 for your domain 2 for the nameservers?

Oh yes. It'll be great if they included 3 !

I hope they start including 3 IP's with the packages, it would be nice :)

Did anyone order from this company Click Here (http://www.serverbeach.com)

coz it looking for good .

and what about complate planes ( mysql database , php ...etc )

thx

Originally posted by Zero
Don't you mean 3? 1 for your domain 2 for the nameservers?

All you need are two... the base IP which can be for the domain, servername and ns1 and a second IP for ns2.

3 IP's are a waste of resources.

Originally posted by rastoma


All you need are two... the base IP which can be for the domain, servername and ns1 and a second IP for ns2.

3 IP's are a waste of resources.

A lot of mailservers wont take email from other mailservers unless they have reverse dns nowdays =\ that makes a legitimate use for a third, unfortunatly :(

Well I got 3, one for domain, one for ns1, and one for ns2. :)

Originally posted by headsurfer


My only point with the comment is why not tell us who you are. If you have nothing to hide, come on out and tell folks who they are contracting with. If you read the TOS, it refers to Serverbeach.com..... which does not appear to be a corporation in Texas.

If they have nothing to hide...... ???????

Dude, relax... let them get started... you sound like a lawyer...

are you so threatened by every new company that gets launched?

Originally posted by hangten


Dude, relax... let them get started... you sound like a lawyer...

are you so threatened by every new company that gets launched?

i hope hes not.. :-p

sean

Originally posted by Zero
Don't you mean 3? 1 for your domain 2 for the nameservers?

Hey, guys... why is there a trend of people wanting to run all their DNS on one box? Back in the day when I was trained to do sysadmin I was told to put my name servers on separate boxen and separate networks for redundancy...

Section 2.8 of RFC1912 says:
http://www.armware.dk/RFC/rfc/rfc1912.html
You are required to have at least two nameservers for every domain, though more is preferred. Have secondaries outside your network.

Has something changed since my training?

Explain what you mean by having another box. Do you mean another dedicated server to host the other DNS's?

Originally posted by hangten


Hey, guys... why is there a trend of people wanting to run all their DNS on one box? Back in the day when I was trained to do sysadmin I was told to put my name servers on separate boxen and separate networks for redundancy...

Section 2.8 of RFC1912 says:
http://www.armware.dk/RFC/rfc/rfc1912.html
You are required to have at least two nameservers for every domain, though more is preferred. Have secondaries outside your network.

Has something changed since my training?

Its probably because most people fall into 2 categories.

1. One server,
2. One network

theres really no point in putting your dns external to your network if all your content is on one network, if it goes down, people being able to resolve your host is rather insignifigant in most cases. Also, most of the control panel software doesen't react too well with multiple seperate nameservers, and/or is a pain to setup.

Originally posted by porcupine


Its probably because most people fall into 2 categories.

1. One server,
2. One network

theres really no point in putting your dns external to your network if all your content is on one network, if it goes down, people being able to resolve your host is rather insignifigant in most cases. Also, most of the control panel software doesen't react too well with multiple seperate nameservers, and/or is a pain to setup.

Ok, one box... gotcha... but at some of the low prices I'm seeing it would make sense to have 2 boxes (from different companies)... I guess I just don't get it. :(

As far the network going down, I agree.. but there are lots of services (particularly SMTP) that will abort if DNS resolutions aren't made... so if the dns still resolves, mail is queue as opposed to returned for bad hostname.

As far the control panel stuff is concerned, I can see it... I'm a CLI guy myself and I have to do some crafty scripting and rsyncing to get things to dovetail just-so...

anyhow - thanks dude, that explains a lot...

Hello
Most of our servers only have one IP.
The name servers are on seperate boxes
- one in the US, one in the UK
I would recommend this as a way forward for anyone planning to have lots of servers.

You only ever have to give one set of name server names
to customers and this makes management a lot easier.

Gordon

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I'm very satisfied with them, they waived my IP setup fees for me.

They are good and are working VERY hard to make sure the customer's needs are met.

Originally posted by Radon3k
I'm very satisfied with them, they waived my IP setup fees for me.

Good to here that, but it's still $2.50/month, right?

That could cost a fortune to a hosting company.

I'm not sweating an extra $5/month....:)

One particular thing I would like to see ServerBeach do is give a PSA unlimited domain licence flat fee. I've seen that most dedicated solution companies don't do this, but it may attract many more Plesk customers.

Originally posted by smidwap
One particular thing I would like to see ServerBeach do is give a PSA unlimited domain licence flat fee. I've seen that most dedicated solution companies don't do this, but it may attract many more Plesk customers.
They do offer Plesk unlimited license.

...but *not* for a flat fee, which is the point smidwap was trying to make, IMHO... ;)

Lol, that's right. They currently only offer unlimited licences for a setup fee and monthly fee.

Originally posted by smidwap
Lol, that's right. They currently only offer unlimited licences for a setup fee and monthly fee.
LOL. Well ask them. I don't think they'll say no for you to pay it all upfront.:D

Yeah but how much would it be upfront?;)

Headsurfer,

You are right, the more disclosure the better, but in defense, they could have the business registered in another state (delware comes to mind).

As for those who complain about the reboots fee's, they have to make money somewhere, most companies would charge excess of 2-500 dollars a month for that configuration and they are only charging at most 119 i think, so i think you are not getting a raw deal, you have to make a sacrafice for cheap prices somewhere...all this stuff isnt free

good day

Originally posted by smidwap
Yeah but how much would it be upfront?;)
Email them.:D

Have you emailed them? What did they say?

Sorry,

I'll email them right now and give you a responce probably tomorrow.:o

Here's my email (I wasn't quite sure who to send it to, so I sent it to hostmaster):

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Many people have had a thread going on about Server Beach @ webhostingtalk.com. One of the issues that have aroused, and I have been asked to investigate, include the issue of paying a flat fee for unlimited Plesk license. We\'ve seen the setup and monthly prices for the unlimited Plesk license, and we understand that because your servers are very low in cost, that some services for the server most cost some extra.

The question is: Is there a chance that you might provide flat fees for unlimited Plesk licenses??? If so, around how much would this license cost?

but they dont have name servers ready....

I am a newbie and I dont' know how to configure my servers as dns servers.

Configuring your own server to serve as its own DNS is not hard at all. However, if your server is located with Server Beach, you will need to purchase two other IP addresses. Once you have done that you will need to go to where you registered your domain and setup name servers with it, which is usually under their control panel or something. Create to DNS servers, usually ns1.yourdomain.com (points to one IP address) and ns2.yourdomain.com (points to the other IP address). It is actually pretty simple. If you have any questions feel free to PM me or email me.

webmaster@smidwap.com

Ok, but when you do buy a server from them and they offer you 400 gigs a month just keep in mind that is incoming and outgoing traffic combined. If you have a pretty popular site and get a lot of http requests this will only factor out to be 200 gigs a month outgoing.

Using the built in bandwidth logs or stats program doesnt give you true bandwidth. You should test your bandwidth my using MRTG graphs for true bandwidth. If you have a server that doesnt have much downloads but all html pages and average images. I highly doubt your going to do 400 gigs a month on those cheap servers. I would be very unstable with the amount of request its getting plus the hard drive being IDE is going to suck up all the cpu power also. You might find rebooting a machine like this is going to happen most often.

This seems true with most dedicated server solutions, including Rackshack. I'm not sure if you're trying to point us away from Server Beach or just giving us a heads up in general.

Originally posted by hostrack
Ok, but when you do buy a server from them and they offer you 400 gigs a month just keep in mind that is incoming and outgoing traffic combined. If you have a pretty popular site and get a lot of http requests this will only factor out to be 200 gigs a month outgoing.

Using the built in bandwidth logs or stats program doesnt give you true bandwidth. You should test your bandwidth my using MRTG graphs for true bandwidth. If you have a server that doesnt have much downloads but all html pages and average images. I highly doubt your going to do 400 gigs a month on those cheap servers. I would be very unstable with the amount of request its getting plus the hard drive being IDE is going to suck up all the cpu power also. You might find rebooting a machine like this is going to happen most often.

I guess you've probably had a dedicated server for about a week to draw that conclusion. MOST dedicated servers out there run IDE drives and most newer are using 7200 rpm drives. And it's very easy for even a 1 gig DURON machine with 256-512 megs of ram to pull 400 gigs a month... even much more without even pushing it. I have one 1 gig Duron now with 512 meg of ram that is pulling over 3mbps... that's close to a 1000 gigs a month. And I have a customer that is pulling 5mbps constant on the same type of server. Just like anything else it depends on what you're doing on the server.... a lot of sql would bring a machine like that down... but i've seen PIII 1 gig machines with a gig of ram get slow with a heavy vbulleting board on it.

What I was talking about small pages with lots of requests. We run a rather large colocation area, and have servers that do that no problem. But when you combine a server with 300 websites, and lets say 20 of them have a very popular web forum that uses mysql and php. And for every request made it emails everyone on the thread.

You will run into problems. I know, I had to upgrade servers for these people all the time. If you have a client that is doing 5 megs of traffic per second then its most likely not web pages that are going out, its mostly images and downloads.

Originally posted by hostrack

You will run into problems. I know, I had to upgrade servers for these people all the time. If you have a client that is doing 5 megs of traffic per second then its most likely not web pages that are going out, its mostly images and downloads.

I would like to first mention that I have never known a transfer ever going at 5 megs (I assume you mean megabytes)/second. The most I've heard a server go at is 1 MB/sec.

Originally posted by smidwap


I would like to first mention that I have never known a transfer ever going at 5 megs (I assume you mean megabytes)/second. The most I've heard a server go at is 1 MB/sec.

I couldnt agree with you more, that was what I was trying to make a point about.

Originally posted by smidwap


I would like to first mention that I have never known a transfer ever going at 5 megs (I assume you mean megabytes)/second. The most I've heard a server go at is 1 MB/sec.

If the most a server could go at is 1mbps then that server couldn't pull over 320 gigs a month. How else do servers pull 400, 500 and 600 gigs a month? It's because they pull 2mbps and higher.

Originally posted by rastoma


If the most a server could go at is 1mbps then that server couldn't pull over 320 gigs a month. How else do servers pull 400, 500 and 600 gigs a month? It's because they pull 2mbps and higher.
Yeah, 1mbps is about 320GB a month and many servers pull off more than that.

I wouldnt want my website on your server if you are doing more then 2 megs per seconds. Performance during any backups or running webstats would be awful.

Servers can do easy 5 megs per second, on file transfers and downloads. But I really dont think apache is going keep up with all the http requests you are suggesting your server running Amd 1ghz and 512 megs ram.

Originally posted by hostrack
I wouldnt want my website on your server if you are doing more then 2 megs per seconds. Performance during any backups or running webstats would be awful.

Servers can do easy 5 megs per second, on file transfers and downloads. But I really dont think apache is going keep up with all the http requests you are suggesting your server running Amd 1ghz and 512 megs ram.
I would think an AMD Duron 1Ghz with 512MB ram would be able to pull off more than 5mbps, right?? Backups wouldn't be too awefully slow.

Just to clear some things up, 1mbps = ONE MEGABIT PER SECOND.
Bits are how data transfer is measured, not bytes.

Yes, and 1mbps is about 300GB/month.:)

I was replying to this, and others.

I would like to first mention that I have never known a transfer ever going at 5 megs (I assume you mean megabytes)/second. The most I've heard a server go at is 1 MB/sec.

they seem a bit confused.

Originally posted by amd_duron
I was replying to this, and others.



they seem a bit confused.
Ah, I see.:D

Serverbeach always has they're live chat thing but it always says "Send Request". Has anyone been able to talk to live sales? What time?

They probably don't have a very large staff at the moment, so I'm assuming it would only be available once in a while.

ServerBeach hasn't replied to me for now 4 days I believe about the plesk unlimited license flat fee thing. Wondering if they just decided to not reply or what.

Is www.serverbeach.com down? Been trying to just load the site for about 20 minutes now, if this is what they do, maybe its a sign not to join up.



ChrisPimp
Videopimp.com (http://www.videopimp.com)

Is it still down for you?? It's working for me.

Originally posted by smidwap
They probably don't have a very large staff at the moment, so I'm assuming it would only be available once in a while.

ServerBeach hasn't replied to me for now 4 days I believe about the plesk unlimited license flat fee thing. Wondering if they just decided to not reply or what.
Interesting... you should try to send them another one, and if they don't reply - I wouldn't join them.

I agree they probably don't have a large staff, hopefully their live chat is open more.

Yah its working now, sent them an email about a server, although I think I am just going to pay the $99 & get one from rackshack...the setup fee vs. the ip fee....the setup fee will prolly win....$2.50 x 12 months...x 3 extra ips...yah...definately the setup fee...

ChrisPimp

Originally posted by ChrisPimp
Yah its working now, sent them an email about a server, although I think I am just going to pay the $99 & get one from rackshack...the setup fee vs. the ip fee....the setup fee will prolly win....$2.50 x 12 months...x 3 extra ips...yah...definately the setup fee...

ChrisPimp

Theres other places aside from serverbeach and rackshack you do realise :). With rackshack's setup fee, i cant imagine why anyone would be buying from them, i'd be waiting for their next sale :D

Originally posted by ChrisPimp
Yah its working now, sent them an email about a server, although I think I am just going to pay the $99 & get one from rackshack...the setup fee vs. the ip fee....the setup fee will prolly win....$2.50 x 12 months...x 3 extra ips...yah...definately the setup fee...

ChrisPimp

Uhhh...that equals $90:) . You must be thinking in the long term.


Originally posted by porcupine


Theres other places aside from serverbeach and rackshack you do realise :). With rackshack's setup fee, i cant imagine why anyone would be buying from them, i'd be waiting for their next sale :D

Would you like to name them (the competetive ones)?

Originally posted by mas3000
Serverbeach always has they're live chat thing but it always says "Send Request". Has anyone been able to talk to live sales? What time?
They must of heard me, because the live chat is gone.:D

They must have heard me too, because I just got a reply from them about unlimited plesk licenses (flat fees):
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We have been unable to secure unlimited Plesk licenses.

However, if we do in the future, we'll explore different pricing
options.

Thanks for the feedback.
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Anyone understand just what the heck this means? Unable to secure unlimited Plesk licenses??

Originally posted by mas3000

They must of heard me, because the live chat is gone.:D

Unfortunately, we've been having tons of problems with the live chat... the most annoying of which is where we can see everything thats going on in our windows, but the customer on the other side can't... we're working with the programming boys to fix it but its taking a lot longer than we thought - so we took it off the site for now.

It means they don't have any unlimited domain Plesk licenses to sell.

Originally posted by smidwap
Anyone understand just what the heck this means? Unable to secure unlimited Plesk licenses??

:stickout ok, ok...

What it means is that we have been unable to GET any... we thought we could but we were mistaken.

Sorry about the confusion - I'll tell the beach boys to communicate better... :)

Forget it

I think when they are mentioning bandwidth, they are talking about extensive usage, such as heavy Xtensive streaming, because chances are, they have you on the same relay as about 40 other customers, if you are useing 4 lanes out of 5 on the road, that can cause quite a back-up (x slow lagging speed x) the 400GB is you transfer "space", thats the size of total traffic you can upload through the month, which is not much for multimedia streaming. and i believe this includes e-mails as well.

there are several others outhere with a lot better flexability in their contracts, these guyes are charging a setup/transaction fee for everything, sounds more like "Bank Of America"

Originally posted by mas3000

Interesting... on the products page if you click "Buy Now" the link is broken.:eek3:

Reminds me of serverrack.net... Everything broken linked...

What I have noticed is... new companies that are coming out tend to give more to attract clients. They go out of their ways and such and at the same time they tend to overlook their company TOS, AU, Terms and other small things.

Originally posted by EnigmaBiz


Reminds me of serverrack.net... Everything broken linked...

What I have noticed is... new companies that are coming out tend to give more to attract clients. They go out of their ways and such and at the same time they tend to overlook their company TOS, AU, Terms and other small things.
I believe that was earlier quoted in this thread.

Originally posted by mas3000

I believe that was earlier quoted in this thread.

I believe so... sometimes when you are up till 3am you don't make much sense...

I sometimes go back and edit stuff. Although I noticed that Moderators go in and edit things now.

LOL Here we go again..
More Edits...

So is there any updates with ServerBeach?? Any customer complaints/compliments?

They never reply to sales tickets :(

They replied to mine, make sure you put that you are insterested ASAP on it though...I got an answer at like midnite after asking the question @ 5.30 pm....

Would you like to name them (the competetive ones)? [/B]

here's a handy list i browse over ALWAYS before considering a new server(raq, wb, whatever). there are of course many many more:


www.webreseller.net
www.nocster.com
www.starhost.hm
www.eservers.biz
www.serveroutsource.net
www.prioritycolocation.com
www.traxactglobal.com
www.serverrack.net
www.staminus.net
www.4webspace.com
www.saburovo.com
www.transoptics.com


remember. most of the times, these companies are run by really outgoing and sincere people. i know for a fact a few of these companies are completely responsive to you writing them and telling them exactly what you need and how much you can pay. if the company finds it reasonable, more than likely they'll work with you on it.

From that list right there, www.saburovo.com I think looks that best in terms of prices. Anyone have a server with them or know anything about their services???

search the boards for them. they're mentioned often, mostly positive experiences. they resell MOST of their servers from rackshack but offer much more support. they also have a very good relationship with rackshack (and headsurfer), so, alot of your support requests will get priority.

but search around the boards for more information on saburovo

What do you think of *******.com? They seem fairly reasonable?

URL please?

Originally posted by hosticle
They never reply to sales tickets :(
I sent them a sales ticket and got a reply back in about 6 hours.

Originally posted by Radon3k
I'm very satisfied with them, they waived my IP setup fees for me.

They are good and are working VERY hard to make sure the customer's needs are met.
I emailed them about waiving the setup fees and they said they could not, did they make an exception? Here is the email:
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Greetings Mike!

We do not waive the IP setup fee, as it is a labor intensive activity.

We'd be happy to match any price you find that beats ours (supply
documentation)!

Otherwise, we'll be happy to get your new server online with NO SETUP
FEES and within 1-2 business days.

Keep me posted...

Regards,
Katie Hayes
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How did you get them to waive the setup fees? I just can't pay $50 setup to setup nameservers.:D

Thanks,
Mike

Originally posted by mas3000

I emailed them about waiving the setup fees and they said they could not, did they make an exception? How did you get them to waive the setup fees? I just can't pay $50 setup to setup nameservers.:D



As we were starting out we made a few exceptions - as we did for beta pricing which is also now discontinued.

As for paying $50 - it should be only $25 - its $25 processing fee per allocation. Regardless of the block size.

Also, it seems that with other companies you'd be paying well over $50 on the just the SERVER SETUP so we found people to find the pricing fair since we our setup setup fee is zero.

Kind of like robbing Suzie to pay Marie.

NO SETUP FEE's!!!

(But you have to pay a setup fee to make the server equivalent to competitors..)

So it is all the same in the end.

I've seen some businesses that don't charge setup fees for ANYTHING... but then they charge you $20 per phone call, or $50 per reboot, or whatever...

It's all the same.

Originally posted by sandguy



As we were starting out we made a few exceptions - as we did for beta pricing which is also now discontinued.

As for paying $50 - it should be only $25 - its $25 processing fee per allocation. Regardless of the block size.

Also, it seems that with other companies you'd be paying well over $50 on the just the SERVER SETUP so we found people to find the pricing fair since we our setup setup fee is zero.
So just because there is no setup you should make up with the fees elsewhere? Then why don't I go with the server that has a $99 setup? But I guess it wouldn't be too bad if I bought 25 IPs at once, but I wouldn't.:D

That is what I will prolly do, by the time I buy all the other stuff, I might as well just pay the setup fee elsewhere...

Originally posted by ChrisPimp
That is what I will prolly do, by the time I buy all the other stuff, I might as well just pay the setup fee elsewhere...

Sure, but if you're smart you won't need any of the other stuff... like IP's or reboots... I'd rather keep the couple of hundred bux in my pocket for other stuff.

Personally, I think its great that they're changing the model... I'm getting tired of paying for other people's tech support...

Besides... Why don't you guys just ask the serverbeach guys if they'll waive all other fees if you pay them a $300 setup or something? (I still have no idea why set up fees make sense, but theres no harm in asking them)

In my opinion, the biggest (and most important) reason for setup fees is this:

1. To prove that the purchases is serious.
2. To offset the actual "real" setup costs of installing a new server. (Installing the OS, etc..)

For #1.. this is very important, because a company has to actually go out and either buy or lease the hardware. If there is no setup fee than any dingdong can go to a company like server beach and say they want 10 servers.

Server beach then goes out and leases or buys the 10 servers for you.. with the expectation that your order is for real and you plan to stick around long enough for them to AT LEAST make the money back for the cost of the server, etc..

But after they set up the servers, you simply decide that you'd rather not have them.. and you stop paying.

So now the company has a whack of servers sitting there and I bet they are PRAYING someone else will want them, because they still have to pay THEIR supplier.

I will never go with a company that does not have a realistic busines model. Yes, serverbeach may try and recoup their money through high IP setup fees, etc.. but they are making a fundamental mistake.

In this industry, when THEY are on the hook with the supplier of THEIR hardware.. they better be darn sure that whoever requests a server from them really wants it.

I dont get the

"2. To offset the actual "real" setup costs of installing a new server. (Installing the OS, etc..) "

Installing OS's....doesnt any ever image their machines anymore? If you have multiple machines all the same config, why bother to set them up each invidually, just do one, imagine it, either burn it to cdr or powerquest it, and boom, multiple machines setup at once...

Originally posted by ChrisPimp
I dont get the

"2. To offset the actual "real" setup costs of installing a new server. (Installing the OS, etc..) "

Installing OS's....doesnt any ever image their machines anymore? If you have multiple machines all the same config, why bother to set them up each invidually, just do one, imagine it, either burn it to cdr or powerquest it, and boom, multiple machines setup at once...

I didn't say the install had to be done manually, did I? But even doing an image takes time. As does everything else. The minutes add up. Unless you can set up a new server in 3 seconds, it costing SOMEONE money. (Either in time or cash or both.)

Originally posted by xpp1223

Server beach then goes out and leases or buys the 10 servers for you.. with the expectation that your order is for real and you plan to stick around long enough for them to AT LEAST make the money back for the cost of the server, etc..

But after they set up the servers, you simply decide that you'd rather not have them.. and you stop paying.

So now the company has a whack of servers sitting there and I bet they are PRAYING someone else will want them, because they still have to pay THEIR supplier.


From my understanding, Server Beach already has a DC with plenty of servers setup and ready to be put on the net.

First of all the situation you describe is pretty rare. How often will a situating like that arise? Not very often.

Plus when you buy the server your credit card it is charged instantly. 10 servers times 100 dollars each is 1000 bucks. I don’t think many people can just throw away that investment.

Serverbeach most likely has a line of credit with a major bank or credit card company. They are not “on the hook with the supplier of THEIR hardware”, but they do have to make that minimum payment.

They are a small company, which has a few advantages like low overhead. They have few employees (2 or 3 methinks =) and they don’t have a storefront. The people that work for the company are most likely partners. They know that it’s going to be a while before they see any real money. So at the moment, they may have virtually free labor.

Originally posted by xpp1223


I didn't say the install had to be done manually, did I? But even doing an image takes time. As does everything else. The minutes add up. Unless you can set up a new server in 3 seconds, it costing SOMEONE money. (Either in time or cash or both.)

I hate to tell you this but people can multiple things at the same time. They can setup multiple machines, answer support e-mail and assign IPs all at the same time. He can pop in a floppy on one machine, reboot it and have it image the computer. I do it all the time (the floppy format thingy).

But when it comes down to it, I don't really know. I just got my first dedicated server 2 weeks ago from Serverbeach and so far it has been just dandy. They have been a good company and the email responses have been both friendly and professional.

Just my 2 pesos

Originally posted by DiBZ
The people that work for the company are most likely partners ... So at the moment, they may have virtually free labor.


Economics 101...opportunity cost. Their labor is not free. For them to perform those tasks, they are forgoing oppertunities to make money elsewhere.

I apologize if this has already been mentioned, but I think it's important to note that price is not everything. What you want from a dedicated service provider is a good combination of service, affordability and quality.

For what good is a $50 server if something goes wrong and there is nobody to contact, or it takes over a day to replace a piece of hardware? I guess what I'm saying is it's worth paying a little bit extra to receive the kind of customer service you deserve, instead of simply going with the cheapest provider you can find.

Originally posted by toro


Economics 101...opportunity cost. Their labor is not free. For them to perform those tasks, they are forgoing oppertunities to make money elsewhere.

It’s more like an investment. They are putting a lot of effort into their company by working hard to make a quality product. Eventually they will build a large customer base and begin to make their money back. All startups loose money in the beginning, that’s just the nature of the beast.

Personally, I am glad they are a small company because they want my business. I am sure they will go the extra mile to make me happy if I have a problem. So far they have.

This is my first server (just to remind you =) but I can imagine the problems one might encounter with a large host, such as poor service because they think of you as a number and not as a customer. Serverbeach could disappear tomorrow and that is a risk I am willing to take.

I know time is money but serverbeach is a small business.

Serverbeach is to rackshack as a Mom and Pop store is to Wallmart.
(I hope that makes sence im really tired.. sorry)

~DiBZ

Originally posted by DiBZ

Serverbeach is to rackshack as a Mom and Pop store is to Wallmart.
(I hope that makes sence im really tired.. sorry)
~DiBZ

Except for that most Mom and Pop stores don't imagine becoming the next Super K :) .

hehe

Well, does serverbeach.com want to become the next Rackshack??

If they want to make some serious cash, yes. They are competing aren't they? Why else do they have rock-bottom prices?

Originally posted by smidwap
If they want to make some serious cash, yes. They are competing aren't they? Why else do they have rock-bottom prices?

What makes you think they have to have as many servers as RS to make some serious cash?

I personally know some webhosts that have 10 times the # of virtual hosting accounts that I do but make 1/3 of the amount of profit that I do. Some of these hosts that think it's cool to make a few hundred dollars a month selling $3-$5/month hosting accounts have many, many more accounts than I. I know one guy that has over 1000 accounts and 3 servers and he thinks he's about to take over the hosting industry. He makes less than $4000/month GROSS. I can randomly pick any two of my servers with less than 300 accounts combined on them and bring in a little more than $7000 gross and have a LOT less tech support to do. I've done my share of $5 hosting accounts only when I get bored :). There's plenty of people that WANT to pay $25-$35/month for quality hosting and support.

So it's not quanity that always matters.

Lets keep in mind that were talking about dedicated servers here, not web hosting plans.;) There's a little but of a difference there.

I was simply refering to any earlier remark. I never said they had as many server as RS. I agree that quantity does not always mean the most gross, however ServerBeach sure isn't making any deals that are overly expensive.

It depends on who you're marketing to. You can sell the same dedicated exact dedicated server configuration for $99 to the lowballers and $499 for the serious business clients.

Any car will get you from home to work. But there are lots of customers keeping both Kia and Lexus in business.

Originally posted by hostrack
Ok, but when you do buy a server from them and they offer you 400 gigs a month just keep in mind that is incoming and outgoing traffic combined. If you have a pretty popular site and get a lot of http requests this will only factor out to be 200 gigs a month outgoing.

Using the built in bandwidth logs or stats program doesnt give you true bandwidth. You should test your bandwidth my using MRTG graphs for true bandwidth. If you have a server that doesnt have much downloads but all html pages and average images. I highly doubt your going to do 400 gigs a month on those cheap servers. I would be very unstable with the amount of request its getting plus the hard drive being IDE is going to suck up all the cpu power also. You might find rebooting a machine like this is going to happen most often.

I'm going to have to disagree. The company I work for has over 150,000 shared hosting customers. At no time does our inbound bandwidth account for more than, say, 10% of our total bandwidth capacity. So, even with thousands and thousands of small sites, you'll never eat up half of your bandwidth on inbound. Simply put, HTTP requests are much smaller than HTTP responses.

I do agree about the difference between log analyzers and MRTG measurement. Check out mod_watch... it's free, it integrates with MRTG, and gives a true account of per-site and per-server traffic usage, even counting inbound and outbound hits and data transfer, including headers.

:D raise the dead boys.. raise the dead :)

But a valid point :D

This thread is alive again.:eek: