To me this is one of the best ideas I have heard of for awhile. This was an excellent way to move xxx sites to their own corner of the internet and a great way for "child safe" programs to help keep kids out of areas where they should not be.

Anyone else think it is absolutely absurd for them to shoot this idea down. Or arguments the other way that I may not be seeing.

The people saying no think that it is enabling porn and saying it is ok....well legally it is in fact ok, that has been decided for years. It is not like the porn industry is going to say "oh man we cant get a .xxx domain, lets close up shop and mend our foul ways"

I'm with you on this. Cant see a downside to .xxx

I think it would have been great.

I doubt that the availability of .xxx domains is going to make the pornographers give up their spamming, spyware, and other practices worse than pornography per se. If ICANN is going to certify .xxx sites as being better behaved than other porno sites, they're probably going to find the abuses too overwhelming to correct, and they might find themselves liable for having certified this TLD as better behaved than it is.

If you look at legal prostitution in Nevada as a sort of analogy, the legally regulated brothels are all in rural counties. It's illegal in Washoe, Carson City, Douglass, and Clark Counties. Las Vegas (Clark County) seems to have wall-to-wall illegal prostitution. Would legalization impose order? I think Nevada authorities figure that it's hopeless in places like Las Vegas, Stateline, Carson City, and Reno. They can do it in Moundhouse, Winnemucca, Pahrump, Elko, and Ely only because they're small enough for the rules to be maintained.

.xxx domains would be blocked by so many, including entire ISP's. The porn people know this, and ICANN knows this. So why would they approve something they know the porn people probably wouldnt use anyway?

I do not think ISP's would be able to block an entire domain system from their network. It is denying free speech and even if they did try something like that it would be correct faster than you can say porn

Maybe the killing of the .xxx was lobbyed with certain motives. Surely it would eat into a large chunk of the .COM domain market. The porn industry already has a large market in the .COM segment so unlike other new TLDs the .xxx would directly effect the revenues from the porn related .COM domains. [new regs, renewals, transfers etc] .... and you can imagine the loss to the .COM segment if they make it mandatory to use .XXX for all porn.

Maybe its something else...I dont know...just another conspiracy theory my wicked old grey cells have imagined. :D

I think all adult content sites should be in the .xxx TDL. That way younger users can have .xxx blocked on their computer and we can browse in public places and not worry about some buzzims poppin up on the screen,.

I was expecting they would approve .xxx domains.
First of all, it would be easier for adult-site fans to find what they were looking for.
Second, if anyone does NOT wish to see adult content, they may easily block and not hurt the innocent.

I think all adult content sites should be in the .xxx TDL.

Another problem would be enforcement. They can still use all sorts of free hosts to use for their porn ads. Sure, the host will kill them off (if they care) once they know about them, but that doesnt stop them.

True......

Maybe the killing of the .xxx was lobbyed with certain motives.

I would suspect it was pressure from conservative elements as well.


.xxx domains would be blocked by so many, including entire ISP's. The porn people know this, and ICANN knows this. So why would they approve something they know the porn people probably wouldnt use anyway?

I wouldn't see it being blocked anymore than it already is. It would be easy to block .xxx domains though. ISP's wouldn't do the blocking. Software filters and IT staff supporting public terminals would be the ones blocking porn. Just like they do now. Well AOL might... lol ... but they suck anyways.

.xxx domains would be blocked by so many, including entire ISP's. The porn people know this, and ICANN knows this. So why would they approve something they know the porn people probably wouldnt use anyway?

They can be forced to by law. The US and most European countries can create laws forcing pornographic web sites to use the .xxx extension. And most of the industry does follow the law, it's only a few web sites that send out the massive amount of spam. The industry might like the idea as it might take some heat off of them from the people claiming that you would hit porns left and right on the internet. I thought it was one of the best proposal ever.

I think all adult content sites should be in the .xxx TDL.

I think it would be easier to have all NON-adult stuff move over to .other domain. With no porn Internet would die out in a few minutes.

It wouldn't work and would require a huge bureaucracy. ICANN is disfunctional & can't even act on complaints about regular domains. The .xxx domain was always voluntary and there were no plans or mechanism to force porn domains to switch. Why would a busy porn domain with great SEO rankings voluntarily give that up and start over with a new PR0 name? Might as well tell spammers that they should switch to .spam or tell WHT that they have to switch to .weeb. Who would define porn and which countries defintion would you use? Some think that showing an ankle is porn. Maybe we can tackle the porn issue after we've solved the more disruptive spam problem.

I would suspect it was pressure from conservative elements as well.In fact from all reports ICANN made the move under pressure from the Bush administration, which was spurred by opposition from conservative religious groups.

The same thing was reported the last time the measure was considered by ICANN, last year:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/16/smut_tld_delayed/

Also see this thread:.xxx registry sues US government (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=514959).

Stupid idea.

Among many funny pictures I have on my site, a few of them contain nudity, would this mean I would have to drop my .com for a .xxx?

Where do you draw the line between "porn sites" and sites like mine?

Who's job would it be to consider something is "pornographic" and "art"?

I'm glad .xxx is gone.

Besides, the best thing is for the Internet to be an adult-only zone. It would be safer for kids in all aspects.

There is a reason kids aren't allowed to gamble, smoke or drink, it should also apply to the Internet.

Having xxx suffix online will note remove porn from dot-com domains. The only thing to follow would be more adult web sites.

See I don't believe it will increase the amount of porn out there. There is already a ton of it. Having a .xxx domain just acknowledges that its an industry, which the typical response for the Bush administration is keep it hidden even though its in plain view.

I'd be interested to see why they don't want to implement it. Its even more silly thinking that "individuals expressing concern about the impact of pornography on families and children" ... that a .xxx domain would immediately cause your kids to go out and start surfing smut sites. All you need to do is type "sex" in google and you have more smut than is humanly possible to surf in a given day.

Its another case of someone's values being pushed on others.

So with this .xxx idea, would all porn companies have to switch to it, or could they still use .com? If they could still use .com, then the idea is pretty useless yeah.

Besides, the best thing is for the Internet to be an adult-only zone. It would be safer for kids in all aspects.

There is a reason kids aren't allowed to gamble, smoke or drink, it should also apply to the Internet.

I really can't agree there. All the resources on the net....I would be devastated if I couldn't access the net for research or to mindlessly browse forums like WHT. Also, how are you going to enforce this? it's impossible. Even if this became a rule, hell, my parents won't care. They know how proficient I am with computers and the net...

I still think that the Internet for 18+ is a good idea. It's difficult to enforce, but if something is made illegal parents would be more cautious.

Modern Internet is an adult environment, you have to admit.

Kids can research with Encarta and other CD-ROM based software for their homework.

They tried that in Ender's game it didn't work since the kids got their parents access codes.

Besides, the best thing is for the Internet to be an adult-only zone. It would be safer for kids in all aspects.
Really the best thing would be just to require kids to be locked in a windowless room with no TV, magazines, or newspapers -- and obviously no Internet access -- until they're 18. Not exposing them to any of the real world would be safer for them in all aspects.

yes but then when they get to be 18, they explode with 18 years of pent up untapped sexual energy

I still think that the Internet for 18+ is a good idea. It's difficult to enforce, but if something is made illegal parents would be more cautious.

Modern Internet is an adult environment, you have to admit.

Kids can research with Encarta and other CD-ROM based software for their homework.

I disagree strongly.
There are very few decent & accessible resources for under 18's (especially students) to access apart from the internet. Sure, there are books, but finding specific information can be difficult and time consuming. Encarta is rubbish and I don't know of any decent imaginative interactive resource CD-ROM.

I'm 17 1/2 and a student, if I wasn't allowed to use the Internet there is no way on earth I would be able to complete my assignments or learn what I have learnt about computing in general so far.

Jord

yeah I disagree with the under 18 internet rule, there are many valid reasons for kids to get online, but the amount of problems that have been coming up lately are getting WAY out of hand and there has to be some way to control it.

with all the predators out there anything to help separate the adult community I am all for.

maybe they should create a .perv domain extension for all the idiots to hang out

.xxx was one company's vision to grab massive $$$$$ from selling those domains to probably the highest bidder. I bet sex.xxx would have gone for millions.

There's no way the pR0n folks will stop using the .com space, and go exclusively over to .xxx - not going to happen in a million years.

I don't see any upside, or downside to the .xxx extension being denied. ICAAN knocking this back is just a kick in the guts to the company wanting to sell the .xxx domains.

Other than that, it's much ado about nothing.

I agree with Aussie Bob here. It isn't anything much. You can't really force the .com porn people out. I mean if I have been running my porn site at say naked.com for 10 years and all my followers know my URL by heart, would I move? Probably not? And what if before I can register naked.xxx someone else does it? Then where do you want me to go? Is it fair to me if ICANN force me out?

No matter how I look at it .xxx really isn't anything big. You can't really regulate pornography and like someone else pointed out, who is to say what is porn and what isn't?

.xxx just doesn't make sense, and I don't see why people get so worked up on this...

I think the big deal is that it was another step towards moving things from the .com. If they restricted adult content to the .xxx domain only from now on (anybody who is on .com is grandfathered) it would HELP get some of it to its own corner of the internet

and you are totally right about the squatters holding domains hostage. for some reason that has always bothered me to no end. If you arent going to use the domain...get rid of it

If I remember correctly (I read the news like quite a while ago), it wasn't approved because it doesn't serve it's purpose.

And like you said, you move things away from .com. But do you really? Look at .biz or .info or .tv etc. for that matter. How does that help change things besides solely creating more domain names to sell?

It doesn't serve it's purpose. If they allow it, it is just another domain name extention to grab. If they don't, so what?

Yea, it would probably be just like .biz. Now if they forced all legal businesses to use a .biz domain, then the extension itself would be useful. But right now that domain is pointless as majority of businesses use .com.

I think the big deal is that it was another step towards moving things from the .com.
Why is that a big deal, or useful at all? It used to be that when you registered a domain name you had to show that you qualified for whichever gTLD you wanted -- you had to be in business get a .com, had to Internet-related to get .net, etc. That was done away with because it was impossible to enforce, too much work to implement (it used to take days, or weeks, to get a domain name registered, and in the end really unnecessary.

If they restricted adult content to the .xxx domain only from now on (anybody who is on .com is grandfathered) it would HELP get some of it to its own corner of the internet
How is it that two different gTLDs are in different "corners of the Internet."

Really, that's meaningless.

No, im against it... they would just point the .com to the .xxx and that would only encourage more porn on the web.

it could be made a corner. instead of adult protection systems and scanners for the internet which are basically useless. Most people would have the option of simply blocking that domain extension, it could be thought of as useless now but what about 5 or 10 years down the road


and I really don't think a .xxx domain would encourage more porn. people are not going to suddenly wake up and say "wow, I want to start serving porn because of this"

I dont know why the internet gets the blame for "preverting the kids":rolleyes: I grew up with no Internet, hell no computer the internet was still under promoted and we had no service out in the boonies where I grew up, I saw my first porno movie at age 10 at a friends house, I found my dads playboys shortly there after, etc etc etc

Porn is everywhere, offline, online, on the street, Blocking it from the internet is pointless, and uneffective

you know porn is one of, if not THE largest industries????

Then we have the little issuse of PERSONAL FREEDOM's or have we all forgotten about those????

and you are totally right about the squatters holding domains hostage. for some reason that has always bothered me to no end. If you arent going to use the domain...get rid of it

Hey, you can have your domain, no problem. It'll only cost you $5,000 :)

This is actually about right. Additionally such a mandate would pose an undue finnancial burden on the holders of these .com domains. Passing this would have forced all these people to bear the expense of registering new .xxx domains for each of their .com domains. Then you have to consider the cost of prudence in keeping the registrations on the .com's active to ensure traffic intended for xyz domain does not end up at a .com with the same .xxx. Eventually this would lead to increased .xxx registration/renewal costs, similiar to what we see in adult hosting versus non adult hosting. Many hosts will not host adult sites and the majority of those that due charge more money of their adult customers.

Maybe the killing of the .xxx was lobbyed with certain motives. Surely it would eat into a large chunk of the .COM domain market. The porn industry already has a large market in the .COM segment so unlike other new TLDs the .xxx would directly effect the revenues from the porn related .COM domains. [new regs, renewals, transfers etc] .... and you can imagine the loss to the .COM segment if they make it mandatory to use .XXX for all porn.

Maybe its something else...I dont know...just another conspiracy theory my wicked old grey cells have imagined. :D

People who blame the internet for this are usually people who fail to take responsibility for the content they allow/allowed children to see. It's easier to pass the buck and blame someone else. The oldest profession in the world are sex related and you are right... before the age of superhighways perverts were accosting children on other highways and thrufares.


I dont know why the internet gets the blame for "preverting the kids":rolleyes: I grew up with no Internet, hell no computer the internet was still under promoted and we had no service out in the boonies where I grew up, I saw my first porno movie at age 10 at a friends house, I found my dads playboys shortly there after, etc etc etc

Porn is everywhere, offline, online, on the street, Blocking it from the internet is pointless, and uneffective

you know porn is one of, if not THE largest industries????

Then we have the little issuse of PERSONAL FREEDOM's or have we all forgotten about those????

T Many hosts will not host adult sites and the majority of those that due charge more money of their adult customers.
There is a VERY VERY vaild reason for that, atleast in the United States....

The legal problems that come with hosting Adult Sites drive up the cost,

Didn't sex.com sell for $12 million a couple of years ago? I presume it's a porn site. Can you imagine somebody who's paid that much for a .com porn name voluntarily giving it up and switching to a .xxx name?

Imagine the type in traffic they must get. All those teenagers who would look up sex in the dictionary and have a giggle are now typing it in to see what's there.

Porn is bad; porn is good; porn is part of the world; porn is the sick part of the world; porn is just another industry; porn is... Blah, who am I (who is anyone) to enforce and exert any of these opinions?

Parents can and should care more about the media their children encounter. This includes books, magazines, radio stations, television programmes -- and of course, the Internet. Let the respective parents figure out what's good and what's right for their children.

The way I see it: the most worrying aspect of .xxx is not porn -- but censorship. There will be people policing other TLDs for porn. And I am willing to bet they are going to police a lot more than just porn. Anyone here willing to let someone else tell you where to draw the line?

Like I said, good riddance. :angel:

The legal costs are no more than one would have to pay for any hosting business.
The main reasons for prohibiting adult content are:

- these sites are more likely than not to use allocated resources, which means a host can not oversell.

- owner/operator morals, predjudices and/or personal beliefs that one may not agree with but must respect. We have to understand that while we are all born of sex it does not mean that everyone wants to view it. As a webhost it is very possible you will have to view your clients data at some point. Thus if nudity is offensive to you and/or your employees it is reasonable to prohibit said content.

There is a VERY VERY vaild reason for that, atleast in the United States....

The legal problems that come with hosting Adult Sites drive up the cost,

I think the downfall to having a .xxx domain is a kid could type a obscene name .xxx and have a porn site come up.

I think the downfall to having a .xxx domain is a kid could type a obscene name .xxx and have a porn site come up.

Well if can't ask mom or dad he needs to learn from somewhere :rolleyes: - better get him that Playboy subscription. :stickout:

Personally I would be more concerned with sites containing drugs, violence, alcohol, tobacco...

I think the downfall to having a .xxx domain is a kid could type a obscene name .xxx and have a porn site come up.
No more of a downfall than anyone typing an obscene name .com -- nine out of ten you'd get a porn site, otherwise a placeholder waiting to be sold to the porn industry. :P

money defeats moral values.