Hello everyone,

What the heck is going on with hostgui? Has anyone seen this?

http://www.hostgui.com/support/forum/showthread.php?threadid=594

What's your thoughts on Tim Greer (the administrator) fleeing to a competitor's panel. is it true??

Latest: That link at hostgui is now utterly worthless. All the important bits have been ripped up.

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mistral winds

Hello,

LOL. Where did you here that HostGUI is dying? Tim went to Site5 for his own reasons. You think he's the only one that can develop a control panel? HostGUI is doing it's own thing and CPanel is doing it's own, so move on. This sh*t is gonna start into a flame war.

Originally posted by mistral1
Hello everyone,

What the heck is going on with hostgui? Has anyone seen this?

http://www.hostgui.com/support/forum/showthread.php?threadid=594

What's your thoughts on Tim Greer (the administrator) fleeing to a competitor's panel. is it true??

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mistral winds

Squash this before it gets crazy, your misinformed. Tim had to quit for personal reasons. He later got an admin job at Site5, its been this way for over a month now. Site5 doesnt have a control panel that Tim is working on. He is an admin for them and still a friend of mine.

Originally posted by Shyne
Where did you here that HostGUI is dying? Tim went to Site5 for his own reasons.
Shyne, you must know things that we don't know. :)

Originally posted by mistral1

Shyne, you must know things that we don't know. :) mistral1, you must be pretty bored to need to troll here.

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
mistral1, you must be pretty bored to need to troll here.
Yeah I suppose you could say so. ;)

But no seriously, I wanted to know if there was a chance in hell for hostgui to launch pretty soon after a couple of deadlines that were not kept.

the hostgui and jaguarpc site are offline so i cant check the updates...hmmm

maybe its just my connection.

Originally posted by goodness0001
the hostgui and jaguarpc site are offline so i cant check the updates...hmmm, maybe its just my connection.
It's not your connection. Both sites are down. Maybe Jag will tell us why? (although he doesn't have to) ;)

Im sorry but Im sick of hearing about hostgui being delayed. My question is whats really keeping this thing from coming out and being delayed so many times. Also will their be a live demo atleast any time soon. Im interested in its reseller functionability and if it could be multiplatform like hsphere

CPanel 4.8.xx rules. We will not use any other.

I'll post the sorted history of hostgui in the hostgui forums. Im not afraid of its history at all, its on solid ground now and its been 1 1/2 yrs since I came up with the idea.

Originally posted by TYS
CPanel 4.8.xx rules. We will not use any other.
Yeah when I was younger this sort of crap was already around. Only it sounded more like "Amiga rules, Atari sucks" and vice-versa.
Seriously, how unprofessionnal is a post like this one...

Hey, my Atari 520 ST was good good stuffs!

Amiga shmiga! :D :D

Is HostGUI going to be $500/month like I've seen on TimPD's posts?

Yes, more like $500 one time set-up fee

posts even..

: )

Originally posted by 311
Yes, more like $500 one time set-up fee Shouldn't that be "No, more like $500 one time set-up fee" ??

It was edited now anyways, so it doesn't even matter..

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Shouldn't that be "No, more like $500 one time set-up fee" ??

Forgive me, almighty SoftWareRevue...:D

You seem to be living in the never never dream land. There is no hostgui. It's already dead and buried. There never was one. As Jag said it, it was just an idea.

Originally posted by mistral1
You seem to be living in the never never dream land. There is no hostgui. It's already dead and buried. There never was one. As Jag said it, it was just an idea.

Dont put words in my mouth and you should get your story straight before posting such ridiculous things. Hostgui is not just an "idea" nor is it anywhere close to "dead and buried". I came up with hostgui concept in nov 2000 and its been in development since 2001 . Again to reiterate it IS in development, if it was just an idea I would love to know where all this money went that Ive been paying to have it built.

Originally posted by mistral1
You seem to be living in the never never dream land. There is no hostgui. It's already dead and buried. There never was one. As Jag said it, it was just an idea.

When did Jag say this was "just an idea", as you put it? HostGUi is still alive and being worked on and will be finished at some point. It's true that the project hasn't been released by past projected release dates, but when the project has gone through a number of lead developers, it's bound to get delayed in order to bring other developers on the project up to date. The bottom line is that HostGUi is not dead and this thread should be closed as any further discussion is off topic.

This thread should have been closed long ago.
It's only purpose is to fan some fire. :rolleyes:

I think that HostGUI is still out there and it will be great when it is released. I just think that everyone is waiting to long for it and it is HostGUI's fault for marketing 2-3 months before a release.

Anyway, I am sure it will be great on release. Everyone just needs to wait a bit longer. Developing a control panel isn't very easy and it takes time to develop it.

How long is a project alive though, if you cant meet deadlines over and over again, what would cause someone to have faith in the project once it is released.

Dont get me wrong, i hope its released, would love to see another cp in the market, but I would be very leary of a product that has been promissed over and over again, and continues to be put off. Its one thing for a couple of delays. And since their top developer left, id be leary of future product support.

Jags a good guy, i hope it all works out in the end, but I dont think anyone should hold off on anything in anticipation of this control panel.

Originally posted by cbaker17
How long is a project alive though, if you cant meet deadlines over and over again, what would cause someone to have faith in the project once it is released.

Development of a project and its estimated release date(however grossly miscalculated) , does not at all change what the product is. If anything it should tell you we won't do it at all if it wasn't done right. If you want to give it a try once its released and then drop faith or gain faith in it thats great, if you want to cast judgement either way before hand then thats foolish. Yes, this would apply to saying its a great product too, since you should remain impartial to what it is until you really get to see it. As for the company backing it, well, we've been here a while so you can make educated decisions on where you stand with that part.


Dont get me wrong, i hope its released, would love to see another cp in the market, but I would be very leary of a product that has been promissed over and over again, and continues to be put off. Its one thing for a couple of delays. And since their top developer left, id be leary of future product support.

This statement is not accurate , I assume you are referring to Tim Greer. Im sure if you want to refer Tim to this thread he will verify that his contribution to the hostgui code is so minor compared to the HostGUI teams current code base that its practically non-existant. Yes, I would have liked to see Tim stay with us and contribute when he could but he did more JaguarPc admin work than he did hostgui work. Ask Tim if you'd like any verification on this.



Jags a good guy, i hope it all works out in the end, but I dont think anyone should hold off on anything in anticipation of this control panel.

Thanks, I agree and I have said since January, dont put your plans or business on hold for anything. Im very happy about the anticipation and eager clients that want to be HostGUI powered. I hope that people will remain interested and continue to support it in any way they can. Contact me if you think you can contribute to the project.

Cheers,
Greg

I suppose this thread probably is the second most popular thread as far as how many times my name has been posted, so I figure I better make a comment (this thread was just brought to my attention by someone).

Firstly, I didn't flee anywhere, nor for any reason. I was not with JaguarPC for near a month before I ended up with someone else. And, to be perfectly clear, I didn't leave JaguarPC for any 'bad' reasons. Greg is a good friend and will remain a good friend. JaguarPC is a good company to be with, work for and be hosted on. I simply wanted to be clear.

The company I'm with now, has no intentions on developing a control panel. One of them does contribute to bug fixes and has modified their own version of the WHM/Cpanel to work best for their company. They are quite happy with this and have no intention or reason to try and have myself or any of them really do anything significant, especially a full control panel when they have one they are happy with. I was not hired on, nor was it agreed to, that I would be asked to develop a control panel. In fact, I never asked or assumed they did and they even made it clear that they have no intentions to do any such thing, just in case I was thinking I would end up doing a lot of complex programming. Nay, I am an administrator and support staff member, I might do some programming and scripting, but not in that regard and not a control panel. So, reasons and circumstances are not indicative of me having fled to another "competing" company or product. Now that that's clear...

As for delays making people wonder. This is understandable. However, that is not really a reflection on the final product. Specifically, it is an entirely other issue at hand. Allow me to cover as much as I can without going into too much detail or breaching any nondisclosure agreements;

Originally, this control panel idea was not only conceived to be done, but started before I was ever employed with JaguarPC. A 'team' of developers were hired on to do this project and I wasn't involved. After many months, I was asked to contribute to the project. I said sure. I didn't know the progress, circumstances or the like in regards to the structure, code, implementation or talent of said company. I was told they had a lot done and would have it done by (what they promised, mind you) around mid-May of 2001. It was then delayed to June, and then July and "it'll be done within 30 more days". Some of this was acceptable, being that originally, and not until recently (at that time, to be clear) was HostGUI even ever considered to be a product that would be licensed out of the JaguarPC network.

So, things had to be changed, and the original design didn't plan for these changes. Still, it ended up taking too long. Seeing the latest demo and demand to see the newest code resulted in seeing that it was not far enough along and the code was poor quality. Attempts by this team to make good on their promises and provide quality, stable and secure code, simply became a huge hassle and very time consuming -- and far too many delays. I suggested that we should surely have to drop this company, as it was now into late September or so. I honestly don't recall. After trying very hard to work with this company and get the product done, and in a quality state, proved impossible. Simply, they didn't have the skills they claimed they did and they couldn't pull it off. Finally, after trying to meet the promised deadlines by the promises of this company, they had to be dropped.

A team of people was put together. The first month included a lot of searching for qualified people, so we didn't have to screw around or hope that people could live up to their promises. Well, after a lot of discussion, we pretty much said we'll try and use any existing parts and just add or modify the good code that was there and try and get it done sooner. We ended up just saying that we have to start over from nothing. After a total of 10 months of Greg waiting on these people to finish, live up to promises, meet the new deadlines and then trying to work with them in any last ditch effort to get this thing out, having to drop them and start over with new developers proved to be a great disappointment. We, at first, thought we could use more of the existing code, and we thought it was going to be done sooner. Well, the more we looked at the code, the less encouraged we were.

So, we started a-new with new developers. Two of them ended up wasting our time and flaking. It ended up with the other developers staying on and doing very good work. This all started to finally come together in about January and the final team was on in February and then things started to pick up and look very nice. These team members are very talented and do good work. I have no doubt that they will finish sometime soon and it will be a quality product. I left before a lot of work was done and as Greg said, the code that exists at this point, probably doesn't have much (or any) of the code I was finding myself working on before. Mainly, because we had to change it, we couldn't use any of the old code and the current team members were working on the meat of the project (the custom underlying libraries and whatnot).

So, this project might have been completed faster if I stayed on, but for personal reasons, it probably wouldn't have helped. The current team has been coding at a break neck pace and not having their code suffer. They are very talented and being that the main parts of this are in C++ and that these people are far more talented than I at C++ (I'm a Perl and C guy myself, mainly Perl), I don't really see my departure as making the project suffer or be delayed by any noticeable (or any) amount. It's unfortunate that things were not done sooner, as they were supposed to be, but if things didn't go the route they did, the quality would have suffered and although delays are not very encouraging, the best team of people (not a company, but a team that was put together) are on this project. I really can't think of any better people for it (their code is quite impressive).

It's going along very, very well, by some very talented people (I can't stress this enough), and the only problem that was an issue, was the delays due to the other team of developers by the other company -- i.e., if only this team was there a year ago, then 10 months ago or so, you'd have probably already seen this thing complete. I'm not trying to blame the delay on another company and I'm not making excuses, but there's simply no way that they would have worked out, they caused myself personally a lot of stress, delays and frustration and I found it impossible to imagine they could have produced anything of any quality. So, a lot delayed, this project is, but this is the best place it can be. I'm not sure what else to say, but you can see how it's 'different' from the other postponements and issues, since those don't exist anymore and haven't for a while now. I hope that clears everything up in regards to the project and how my involvement doesn't have any great impact -- it's in good hands.

they say theres a book in all of us :eek:

award for longest post awaits

Originally posted by bbi-linux
they say theres a book in all of us :eek:

award for longest post awaits

In Tim's case it's an encyclopedia

Tim Greer, thanks for the bleak account of why hostgui is unlikely to see the light of day. That really sounded like an obituary for an unborn product. :rolleyes:

Again; I would suggest closing the thread.
It is obvious why it was started.

Originally posted by Eric_Echter
When did Jag say this was "just an idea", as you put it?
That's what he said:

> ... its been 1 1/2 yrs since I came up with the idea.

The dictionary definition of idea:

Your intention; what you intend to do

Maybe you could tell us why so many "lead developers" had left the project.

Originally posted by mistral1

That's what he said:

> ... its been 1 1/2 yrs since I came up with the idea.

The dictionary definition of idea:

Your intention; what you intend to do

Maybe you could tell us why so many "lead developers" had left the project.

I'm not at all questioning the definition of "idea". I specifically asked you when Jag said that? As a matter of fact, he never did so there's no need to reply to my post. There's a big difference in what he actually said and what you think he said.

I think Tim covered the reasons why there have been changes in lead developers and other issues that have lead to the delays. Quite frankly, I'm rather curious as to why you even care since you seem anti-HostGUi. Good day!

Softwarerevue, why are you against open debate and freedem of expression? Are you getting hurt by it?

There are a lot of people who've been fooled into thinking that they would get that utopia control panel and have been dismayed and disappointed when it didn't show up on a couple of deadlines. Is this not a sufficient cause of concern to you?

Originally posted by mistral1
Tim Greer, thanks for the bleak account of why hostgui is unlikely to see the light of day. That really sounded like an obituary for an unborn product. :rolleyes:

mistral1 , whats your problem?

You have nothing better to do than start crap? This is not the first time in this thread you posted trying to create a flame war or surround our product with some type of horrific rumor. If you want to contact me I would love to talk with you one on one . Tims post contains nothing bleak at all and Im getting tired of your uncalled for remarks. Stop trolling already !

mods , please close this thread. As others have already mentioned its obvious what certain people intended on doing and are still trying to do.

All I can say is I hope mods will not bow to your threats as other decent people have voiced their concerns in this thread about hostgui's marketing tactics.

Originally posted by mistral1
All I can say is I hope mods will not bow to your threats as other decent people have voiced their concerns in this thread about hostgui's marketing tactics.

There we go again! Marketing tactics? Whatever.
Threats ? Where ?

Other people post real concerns, and they are welcome to contact me personally if they like. But your useless posts serve no other reason but to flame and add to your trolling efforts.

OK, here are five questions for you to answer as honestly as you can:

1. Why did you remove the hostgui link completely from your jaguarpc website?

2. Why are you extolling the virtues of a competitor's product on that same page that until recently was occupied by info on hostgui?

3. Why have so many "lead developers" kept leaving the project in the past 18 months?

4. Why have you started to take pre-orders for a ghost product that you knew was in trouble?

5. Why have you bowed to pressure from a competitor control panel (site5.com - co-developers of cpanel) and ripped up the important bits in the hostgui forum last week?

mods , please close this thread. As others have already mentioned its obvious what certain people intended on doing and are still trying to do.

Just because you don't like the outcome, doesn't mean the mods should close the thread.

You shouldn't have stuck with the release dates if you knew it was doomed. Nor should you have accepted pre-orders if you basically new it wasn't ready and not near.

You created hype about it, which is a marketing scheme all in itself.

You wonder why people are pissed off. You accepted pre-orders and that gives people some sense of the product coming out soon. Then it's not ready -- keeps getting delayed..

It just doesn't look good.

Originally posted by mistral1
Tim Greer, thanks for the bleak account of why hostgui is unlikely to see the light of day. That really sounded like an obituary for an unborn product. :rolleyes:


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Next time, why don't you try reading it for what it was, skippy?

Originally posted by mistral1
OK, here are five questions for you to answer as honestly as you can:

1. Why did you remove the hostgui link completely from your jaguarpc website?

What link, what are you talking about?


2. Why are you extolling the virtues of a competitor's product on that same page that until recently was occupied by info on hostgui?

Again, what are you talking about?


3. Why have so many "lead developers" kept leaving the project in the past 18 months?

First the original contracted "team" was released from the project, nobody left. Second Tim quit JaguarPC for personal reason... he happened to work on hostgui near the end of his time with us.


4. Why have you started to take pre-orders for a ghost product that you knew was in trouble?

There was no way to look into the future and know that we were about to hit a snag. Populartiy was growing , we wanted to establish an order to things. Nobody was in the least bit required to prepay to be on the list. Thise that did only paid a fraction of the total cost, we're given matched funds due to the set back and are free to withdraw at any time. The setbacks didn't keep us down and as many others have already told you, including myself, Tim Greer, and a few in this thread .... We're over that and HostGUI is marching on and should not be remotely considered dead or dying.


5. Why have you bowed to pressure from a competitor control panel (site5.com - co-developers of cpanel) and ripped up the important bits in the hostgui forum last week?

Again, what are you talking about?


If you dont have something to go by on your remarks then why do you continue this attempted bashing? If you have something to post that you would like me to answer regarding HostGUI that I can answer , then post it. In 3 of your 5 questions you make statements and remarks that just absurd and have no backing .

Point: The other team was terminated from working on the project, as they couldn't do it/get it done.

Point: Two of the new team's member's flaked. They didn't leave, they just weren't very talented or good workers and therefore they were terminated.

Point: No team members left. I left as I wouldn't be able contribute much anyway.

I fail to see the problem or the lack of understanding. Oh well.

Jag:

1. Are you denying that you had a page with an intro and a link to hostgui until recently on your website? And that now it's no longer there?

2. http://jaguarpc.com/demo.php

3. Tim talked about more than one team starting and leaving the project. Which one of you is telling the truth?

4. How could you ask for money up-front for a product that you couldn't show anything more than a front-page design and an idea? A product which wasn't even in a beta development version? What if your company had gone bust after you collected all that money? Where would the guys who had believed you stand today?

5. You know exactly what I'm talking about. So why not admit it?

Originally posted by mistral1
Jag:

1. Are you denying that you had a page with an intro and a link to hostgui until recently on your website? And that now it's no longer there?

2. http://jaguarpc.com/demo.php

3. Tim talked about more than one team starting and leaving the project. Which one of you is telling the truth?

4. How could you ask for money up-front for a product that you couldn't show anything more than a front-page design and an idea? A product which wasn't even in a beta development version? What if your company had gone bust after you collected all that money? Where would the guys who had believed you stand today?

5. You know exactly what I'm talking about. So why not admit it?

1. ) No there has not been any link to hostgui on our site other than our forums, why would there be? Whats the point?

2.) That page has not change , never had a hostgui link either. Your really lost.

3.) Your lost and very confused again. As I have said and as Tim has now pointed out to you twice, read the posts. Nobody left the project, they were terminated, released from their contract. Open your eyes and read, stop this dumb flaming attempt.

4.) Again, another flame attempt that Ive already answered in my last post in regards to this very question.

5.) Again, admit what? Whats the big secret Im supposed to admit? Where are those links, and proof about some mysterious urls or whatever it is you said I changed? And whats more important on this not, whats the point? Lets all jump in your whacked out state of mind for second, suppose I had a link to hostgui from jaguarpc , your point is what exactly ? Would I be bound by some law you know about that says Im not allowed to edit our sites content at any point?

This is all moot anyway, you're not posting anything of importance, covering any points that make any sense, and Im tired of your idiotic remarks. Don't expect to see any more replies from me on this thread which clearly has no constructive point.

*To all of those clients or passing wht surfers that have any concerns or comments that actually make sense please feel free to contact me or post in the hostgui forums at any time. I apologize to any clients or regular WHT members that know me and have had to read these useless posts from the "newbie" mistral1 .

Regards,
Greg

Jag:

1. You know that is a lie.

2. You know that is a lie.

3. So basically you are saying there've been more one team whose jobs were terminated or had left? How serious could you be with this project from the beginning if you couldn't even recruit the right people more than once?

4. You have not answered the specific concerns put forward in there.

5. You know that what I said is true! And this time I've got the proof! :rolleyes:

> Your lost and very confused again

I am neither lost nor confused. I'm just trying to dig out the facts about the hype you created.

> your point is what exactly ?

You have simply not acted honorably or truthfully in this whole episode.

Hello,
I want to say as a non HostGUi staff member that HostGUi is in the development. I myself have talked to Jag several times on the phone and on AIM about HostGUi as well as other matters which isn't a concern right now. You need to check the facts before you come bashing a project.. Some people are just jealous because they're working on one that they think is better then they really know that it isn't. Don't accuse Greg or any of the JPC staff as liars. That will cause trouble. Greg, isn't going to sit here and lie to you when this project is big and is well known. Keep the facts straight. It is in development.

Originally posted by mistral1
Jag:

1. Are you denying that you had a page with an intro and a link to hostgui until recently on your website? And that now it's no longer there?


So, you're upset that he's not tyring to hype of the product before it's done, even though you claim that's what one of your big issues is? Jaguar never hyped it, people did. It was never even meant to be released to the public originally, so there was only posts that were made about it to get ideas of what people wanted, suggestions and feedback. It doesn't seem to matter what is done, you have an ulterior motive here. It's obvious. I would like the mods to see what other user posts under your IP.


2. http://jaguarpc.com/demo.php


#2 is not applicable, doesn't make sense.


3. Tim talked about more than one team starting and leaving the project. Which one of you is telling the truth?


"Tim" spoke words, it's your job to "read" those words. I stated that we had let go a team, the original one. The second team, I clearly said was put together. Two of the members of that second team were let go. There were more than two people on the second team -- and the remaning team members have been working on this project every since they started. Why can't you tell the truth, rather than contorting what people (clearly) say? Do you think this will work in your favor? All this is logged and archived in these forum boards. Anyone that wants to, can see the facts and what you're doing. I just have to wonder why.


4. How could you ask for money up-front for a product that you couldn't show anything more than a front-page design and an idea? A product which wasn't even in a beta development version? What if your company had gone bust after you collected all that money? Where would the guys who had believed you stand today?


Simply, as I said, there was an initial good indication that we could have used the good parts of the other code, but there was little and people wanted to pre-order. If anyone wanted a refund, because it took us *all* longer than we thought it would (i.e., no one knew or intended it to still not be released), they can get a refund. What's the problem?


5. You know exactly what I'm talking about. So why not admit it?

Criminal! Thief! Liar! Troll! Psychopath! Freak! Hippy! You know you are, why don't you just admit it? I said so, so now you can post in your defense, but I won't listen, I'll just keep saying it's true until you give up or admit it. That's logical.

Originally posted by mistral1
Jag:

1. You know that is a lie.


Sticks and stones...


2. You know that is a lie.


Sticks and stones...


3. So basically you are saying there've been more one team whose jobs were terminated or had left? How serious could you be with this project from the beginning if you couldn't even recruit the right people more than once?


No, *read* what was said. There you go. Shall I say it anyway? Okay, sure; The first team didn't cut it, they were dropped. A team of the most promising developers was put together. The one's that couldn't cut it were weeded out. You have a problem with weeding out poor developers after the first development team bombed so badly? Now, you'll complain about it? Why? Should we have kept them on in a good will guesture, to make you happy? Should Greg apologize for not allowing them to remain on the team after they failed to prove they are worthy and just let the products' quality suffer? Do you realize how foolish ALL of your posts have been thus far? Stop lying and making things up and then having the gall to acuse other people of what you're doing. How stupid do you think people are here?


4. You have not answered the specific concerns put forward in there.


He has, I have. Yet, you with absolutely no knowledge and with a spiteful and lying attitude, dare to come in here and post this nonsense like you know better.


5. You know that what I said is true! And this time I've got the proof! :rolleyes:


What kind of a fool thinks that an avatar of a face rolling it's eyes is somehow some type of way to end a fraudlent, mean spirited post? Do you think this makes it look like *you* are making valid points or something? Rolling your eyes about what, exactly? How stupid you're acting? What are you on? This is friggin' ridiculous! What does on you your little pea brain to come into a post and act so mindlessly mean and clueless and attack people like this? You must sit at your computer all day and feel safe doing this kind of crap, because you'd not last long doing that face to face to someone. You have no proof, other than lying and being stubborn about the lies in question. For WHAT reason would you want to try and do any of this nonsense? What a creep!


> Your lost and very confused again

I am neither lost nor confused.


You might not be, you'd have to be in reality for those laws to apply.


I'm just trying to dig out the facts about the hype you created.


People like *you* created this hype.


> your point is what exactly ?

You have simply not acted honorably or truthfully in this whole episode.

Pot->Kettle->Black. What more can I say? Get a life, creep. I'm not going to make any effort to be diplomatic to some wacko that gets off on making a big deal online by trying to create a hype about a company lying, when it never happened. You're doing this for a reason, I just don't yet know who you are, so I don't yet know why.

I'd like to thank SoftWareRevue publicly for his supportive private message. He asked twice that this thread should be closed, initially thinking that I was merely wanting to start a flame war. Having seen the facts he has now changed his opinion. :cool: Dear Friend - I look forward to reading your next message on here, whenever you can. Thanks.

Tim Greer, I could list at least 50 slang terms describing your behaviour and dubious character but I can't see any need for it. You are not the target here. So keep on entertaining yourself uttering cheap words. If you think that will make you respectable, well that's your problem!

I have no motive or motives other than digging out the facts as much as possible for the common good. If that is a crime in your eyes, so be it!

Originally posted by mistral1
I have no motive or motives other than digging out the facts as much as possible for the common good. If that is a crime in your eyes, so be it!

Yea but what is your motive for 'digging out the facts as much as possible' ? Do you have some kind of investment with JaguarPC that demands you get all the facts? Why dig into something that you are in no way internally-related to in any way yet (as far as I know here). If JaguarPC wants to announce something about HostGUI, they will do it - if its something thats not necessary for announcement, they just won't.

Originally posted by mistral1
I'd like to thank SoftWareRevue publicly for his supportive private message. He asked twice that this thread should be closed, initially thinking that I was merely wanting to start a flame war. Having seen the facts he has now changed his opinion. :cool: Dear Friend - I look forward to reading your next message on here, whenever you can. Thanks.


Dying for support, huh? I guess trolling a forum and causing trouble, that would give you some type of statisfaction.


Tim Greer, I could list at least 50 slang terms describing your behaviour and dubious character


Prove this. Seriously. You are here lying, causing trouble and making things up, but if I post to answer the questions, make it clear, or state the facts in any manner, you will say that I'm acting atroiciously? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? My character, of not putting up with your lies and crap? Well, deal with it. I'm a very upfront person and I don't have any need to lie or twist things people say. I know that is difficult for someone like you to deal with, and you're resort to more or your relentless nonsense and lies, but who would believe you, other than a mindless crone? You can have all the support from people you want, that would believe you. It honestly saves me time from wondering who the nut cases are out there -- the people like you that think they should come into a forum and start lying about people they don't know or know anything about and demand people admit to things you make up, or you'll continue. How new do you think I am to the Internet, to actually believe that sort of lame ploy would work on me?


but I can't see any need for it.


But you claim it anyway. In fact, before I ever even replied.


You are not the target here.


Yes, I believe I am, when you tell a lie and put my name in it.


So keep on entertaining yourself uttering cheap words.


Do you enjoy being guilty of what you accuse the other of?


If you think that will make you respectable, well that's your problem!


Anyone that would disrespect me for not putting up with someone trying to lie and use my name, is a completely worthless person in my book and I have no concerns. I think however, that given what's been said here and the facts, that you are the individual that should worry about how you look.


I have no motive or motives other than digging out the facts as much as possible for the common good.


Blatant lies and mindless attacks are not going to result in anything good. You have other motives or you're just even more messed up than I think you are -- and that's saying something!


If that is a crime in your eyes, so be it!

Well, libel is a crime, so, so be it, indeed. If you question why I have a problem with you lying, then I have to question who you are trying to play up to here, and how new to the Internet you must be to think that simply posting unfactual, unsupported claims will leave you in good standing and expect people won't see it for the plain, minless, mean spirited attacks they are. Why do you assume I should worry about that? You're not the first, nor the last troll online.

Originally posted by alpha


Yea but what is your motive for 'digging out the facts as much as possible' ? Do you have some kind of investment with JaguarPC that demands you get all the facts? Why dig into something that you are in no way internally-related to in any way yet (as far as I know here). If JaguarPC wants to announce something about HostGUI, they will do it - if its something thats not necessary for announcement, they just won't.

I think it's obvious that whatever this individual is up to, is very wrong. However, there's also something very (obviously) fishy about all of this too. It's simply not logical or sane, or good. This person has ill intentions and I would like toi know why. If they don't have a reason, they are simply mad.

Alpha,

> Yea but what is your motive for 'digging out the facts as much as possible' ?

The answer is staring at you in the phrase you quoted and inside this whole thread. Just try to read it carefully if you've got the time.

its staring at me in the phrase I quoted?

I have no motive or motives other than digging out the facts as much as possible for the common good. If that is a crime in your eyes, so be it!

thats the exact thing I quoted... and its not (idiomatically) staring me in the face...

in this whole thread all i see is...

1) you stating something that you believe is a fact
2) tim/jag telling you that did not get the facts straight
3) you believe that they are lying
4) repeating your argument even tho it has been clarified and corrected accordingly

all I read was your/Tim's/Jag's posts... all the other posts seemed unnecessary in this whole thread... let me know which specific posts you want me to read again for me to understand why you're digging into all this...

Tim Greer, it's now time for you to list my so-called lies. You've used that word dozens of times, obviously trying to detract the members of this forum from the facts.

So please list exacly what points that I've made in this thread that you and Jag think are lies. Try to make it as a list so everyone can easily refer to it when I reply back. But don't expect a quick reply as tomorrow is my rest day! Remember that those points that won't make to your list will become facts that you accept. But don't worry about listing the facts as I'll recap them for you when I give my reply. And one more thing: try to be honest, would you?

Originally posted by mistral1
Tim Greer, it's now time for you to list my so-called lies.


All your posts this far have been flat out lies. What would you like me to do? Pick them apart again showing everyone, yet again? You know where you lied, don't you?



You've used that word dozens of times, obviously trying to detract people from the facts.


As alpha, I'm still waiting for you to post any facts yourself. Saying something over and over, is not a fact. Greg and I stated facts, as we are the people that were (or are still in Greg's case) involved. What makes you think you know the facts more than we would? We stated clearly to you about what you asked or claimed, to show you the facts. You dismiss them saying we're lying. This is not a debate, or any exposing of anything anyone was trying to hide. This is us defending ourselves against vicious and ungrounded claims (lies) that are mean and unprovocked.


So please list exacly what points that I've made in this thread that you and Jag think are lies.


The claims that we are lying, since we know we aren't, you are therefore lying. You don't have any reason or proof otherwise (and it's impossible for you to be able to, of course). You continue to make libelous claims about things and call them fact. That is a lie, unless you say you aren't sure and state to everyone reading that it's your opinion or theory or paranoid fantasy. It goes on and on.


Try to make it as a list so everyone can easily refer to it when I reply back.


I think they can all read the thread for themselves.



But don't expect a quick reply as tomorrow is my rest day.

Yeah, whatever. Speaking of rest, you'll never give "it". So, I don't see any reason to continue to respond to you, when we're getting nowhere. People like you get off on this type of thing, drag people into having to defend themselves or allow your lies to stand unanswered and make people wonder. It's difficult to avoid responding to such posts, but I have things I have to do, so you have your little rest, get your energy up for another session of big lies and claims about whatever you'll come up with and you post away (it's not like you won't anyway). However, I really don't have time for all of this and it's just going to continue. I just think you're acting like a nut case.

Let me remind everyone that mistral1 is only 13 years old.

mistral1 you are the the most dumb ass person I EVER saw post on the forum. If you don't wana use HostGUI it's your problem.

Tim,

> You know where you lied, don't you?

No I don't. That's why I wanted you to list them. Read my edited post above. Whatever you don't specifically list will become facts accepted by you and Jag.

> You don't have any reason or proof otherwise (and it's impossible for you to be able to, of course).

You are wrong! I already said earlier in this thread that I've got proof on a point which was denied by Jag. I will happily produce that proof to the mods if I am asked to do so.

Do YOU have any proof about your claims?

Good night!

Originally posted by Shyne:
> Let me remind everyone that mistral1 is only 13 years old.

Wow, how did you guess my age? Well, you are wrong!

> mistral1 you are the the most dumb ass person I EVER saw post on the forum.

I'm not sure if I should take this as a compliment or not. I wish you could also tell why I am "that person"?

> If you don't wana use HostGUI it's your problem.

Use what? But that product doesn't exist! You are dreaming on again, wake up!

Originally posted by mistral1
Tim,

> You know where you lied, don't you?

No I don't. That's why I wanted you to list them. Read my edited post above. Whatever you don't specifically list will become facts accepted by you and Jag.


*this is where I insert a sarcastic "*yawn*" Are you that tired already? You come in fighting, at least come up with with good moves and fight it out. I said I was done. I'm not going to let you drag me into anything anymore, simply because you did exactly what I said and just said that if we don't respond, we are guilty of what you claimed (even though you have no proof). So, basically, if we don't waste time and continue defending ourselves and responding to lies and accusations, we are admitting guilt? Give me a break, skippy. Go run my code I posted earlier, if you haven't alreasdy, I think it sums it up very well.


> You don't have any reason or proof otherwise (and it's impossible for you to be able to, of course).

You are wrong!


Yeah, says you. Blah, blah, blah.


I already said earlier in this thread that I've got proof on a point which was denied by Jag.


Yeah, you said you have proof. I know. If only you'd provide it. Oh well.


I will happily produce that proof to the mods if I am asked to do so.


Right, you hgave proof, but "you just don't want to say". You're not old enough to be up this late and you're going to get in trouble. I think you better go "rest".


Do YOU have any proof about your claims?


Yes, as is in every response to your claims and posts that I responded to. Are you supposed to admit that you have done this? What do you take people for?


Good night!

Uh huh.

After this thread is closed, what do you expect to accomplish? You think they'll lose business? LOL.

And yes you are13 so drop the act.

Originally posted by mistral1
Originally posted by Shyne:
> Let me remind everyone that mistral1 is only 13 years old.

Wow, how did you guess my age? Well, you are wrong!

> mistral1 you are the the most dumb ass person I EVER saw post on the forum.

I'm not sure if I should take this as a compliment or not. I wish you could also tell why I am "that person"?

> If you don't wana use HostGUI it's your problem.

Use what? But that product doesn't exist! You are dreaming on again, wake up!

Mistral your comments are not being backed up and based on specifically what you are stating here your information is incorrect.

If you wish to talk about this off board by all means contact me but the attacks on Jag and his business are totally unprofessional in the context here.

You would do yourself a great deal of good by apologizing and retracting your statements as I can specifically refute what you have posted with information that is current as of yesterday, so please state what "You know" not what you think you know.

Jag I wouldnt even answer to this type of attack, not even worth your time, the people who care, or care to know will contact you directly as the project moves to completion.

This thread should be moved to the trash bin by the moderators !!!!

Enough Said.....

Although the thread started off ok (there's certainly nothing wrong with the first post), the thread has obviously traveled off into just being a waste of time to read. Issue is closed.