Good Morning All,
I know this isn't feasable, but I think it would be cool if I started my own domain extension. Short of going to ICANN or using a plugin like the new.net and .web domains, is there a way on to the system? This is one aspect of the science of domaining that I am not clear on.

PS: starting my own country is not an option at the moment.

If you could do this, anyone could do this, and anarchy would result.

Sorry.

-t

Okay,
So what do I need to start my own country and apply to ianna?

Originally posted by namelessguy
Okay,
So what do I need to start my own country and apply to ianna?

you are joking, right?:D :D

Yeah,
Thought it would be fun to run a root server, but I'm not counting on it though.

I have done this; sort of.

Method 1: If you have a group of friends that you want to form an access club with and you have the ability to make name server entries and you all don't use DHCP, etc. Everyone that uses the special name servers on their local machine can reach the site by the bogus domain name.

Method 2: The easy method: Each member of your group places an IP/fakedomain or IP/HiJackeddomain entry in their hosts file.

I just retried method 2 for fun. This is especially good if you want to surprise your kids when they try to go to a forbidden site. You can redirect them to a page that says "Your father requested that you be locked out of this site", etc.

So, I created a site on my server for "yahoo.com". I added myIP/yahoo.com to my windows hosts file. Now when I type yahoo.com I get my ripoff site (you must close and reopen browser to force reading of the new hosts file).

I could just as well have used a bogus domain such as rim.shot.

I don't show this to my students. They would play with the hosts files on the lab computers.

Hastily written.

Originally posted by namelessguy
PS: starting my own country is not an option at the moment. That's probably why East Timor started their own country. They wanted their own TLD.

.ET would be a cool one.
Do you think there is a way to become a country on paper for the purposes of obtainining a TLD?

Steps to start your own country and get your own TLD:

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Buy a small island somewhere in the south pacific.
Fight an independence war with France, Australia or whoever owns the island.
Declare your independency.
(Pick a flag)
(Choose an official language)
Request your own TLD at icann.org (i think there is a 5 or 6-figure non-refundable fee).
[/list=1]

:D

Better way
1-)Earn billons of dollar
2-)Form your Military
3-)Conquer a country in africa
4-)Change the name of country whatever name you want but be sure it will have relation with the tdl you want.
5-)Apply to Icann

Originally posted by namelessguy
.ET would be a cool one.


www.phonehome.et :D

call your country sexolon or something, get the .sex extension, sell .sex domains and in time you could go shopping for a few more islands. :D

What if I wake up one morning, and declare my apartment sovereign territory, and proudly run a flag (black checkered with an evil smiley face) out my window?

Or what about saying I have an island. Do they really verify every time someone comes to them saying they have an island? Do you have any idea how many islands that is? How would you verify such a thing? Well I'de imagine they could verify it on a map, or go to the island. But who has time to go to every island that people apply for. Theoretically, I'de imagine that all I'de have to do is verify that the island exists.

But seriously,
What about countries that are willing to sell their country codes. Take the .TV, the .FM, the .MD, the .TO

I hear the .SB (serbia) has seen better days.

Originally posted by namelessguy
What if I wake up one morning, and declare my apartment sovereign territory, and proudly run a flag (black checkered with an evil smiley face) out my window?



Yes but first you will need visa just to go to the local store, and your neighbours may occupie your independent apartment while you are at work :)

Originally posted by Angel78


Yes but first you will need visa just to go to the local store, and your neighbours may occupie your independent apartment while you are at work :)

Well, there's always dual citizenship. But what about previous tennants? Do you give them a spot in the living room, and declare it a reservation?

Originally posted by namelessguy
What if I wake up one morning, and declare my apartment sovereign territory, and proudly run a flag (black checkered with an evil smiley face) out my window. Well, as a landlord, I can tell you that you if you did this to me you might have to fight your own little war of independence with me...

And I assure you that I'm probably more heavily armed than most island dictators ;)

Well WHT has about 14,000 members....
I'm willing to put some money into the new country :)
sexolon sounds nice..
Who's with me? I nominate chicken as pres

Check out the history of this "country"
http://www.sealandgov.com/history.html

the main page is
http://www.sealandgov.com/

I don't think they ever applied to ICANN for a TLD but it would be interesting if they did because they already have their own "offshore" ISP http://www.havenco.com/

It's a pretty interesting story.

Mac

Originally posted by Rewdog
Well WHT has about 14,000 members....
I'm willing to put some money into the new country :)
sexolon sounds nice..
Who's with me? I nominate chicken as pres

Hey there's an interesting thought.
Could you consider WHT a Nation, and if so get Country status even though no one physically lives here? There have been nations smaller than 14000 people. Why not create a virtaul one?

You are all Chicken's minions :D

All hail Roy!!!!!!!!!!!:D

But would the Head of Inland Revenue (aka... Headsurfer) impose a WHT income tax on all humble servants of Presidente Chicken?

Huh,
But can you enforce an income tax to people who don't live in your country. And just for argument sake, if you have no taxes (or any other taxes for that matter) coming in, how do you keep you country afloat? Also, can you have sovereign servers with a physical presence in a country that doesn't belong to you? ie: Chicago or somewhere like it.

But can you enforce an income tax to people who don't live in your country. YES :)

A woman from France rents apartment in Austria and lives in England. She has to pay taxes in Austira and England, but if a "no duble taxation contract" between those two countries was signed she will pay taxes in just one countrie.

Originally posted by Angel78
But can you enforce an income tax to people who don't live in your country. YES :)

A woman from France rents apartment in Austria and lives in England. She has to pay taxes in Austira and England, but if a "no duble taxation contract" between those two countries was signed she will pay taxes in just one countrie.
Hah...you naive pawn ;)
This is how it works *in theory*.
Actually, it is far more complex.
Let's say that this french woman lives in the US. Her world wide income IS subject to US taxation. However, if she already paid taxes in a foreign country, such as France or Austria, she can claim a foregin tax credit against her US taxes levied on the same income. But the rule is that the tax on rental income in the US is lower than the one, say, in France, so the french tax applies and that's it.
Now, if the US tax on rental income was bigger, she would pay taxes in France, then the US tax would apply, and the difference between the calculated owed tax amount and the credit on foreign country teaxes would had to be paid too (!)

-Chris.

Spoken like a true accountant.

Speaking of countries and domains though. This Sealand thing is fascinating. Anyone know why they haven't applied for a TLD?

Originally posted by freestuffplaces
Check out the history of this "country"
http://www.sealandgov.com/history.html

the main page is
http://www.sealandgov.com/

I don't think they ever applied to ICANN for a TLD but it would be interesting if they did because they already have their own "offshore" ISP http://www.havenco.com/

It's a pretty interesting story.

Mac

That was the most awesome thing I've have read in a long time. How did you find it? :cool: :thumbsup:

LOL i couldnt stop laughing

Pictures of Sealand:
http://www.fruitsofthesea.demon.co.uk/sealand/gallery.html

IMPORTANT:
DONT LOOK AT THE PICTURES BEFORE YOU READ THIS PAGE:
http://www.sealandgov.com/history.html


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

This is fun.
Anyone know of any other football field sized countries out there? Or is Sealand the only one?

Starting a service like new.net is possible it costs about 100 times more then being a icaan registrar as you have to partnership with ISP's worldwide and pay large fee's to have a contract with Icaan i belive icann does have a article on their site about this same question i surely couldnt afford it and its not the best route as only ppl with new net plugins could goto your domain perhaps if u had a contract with Netscape and IE and they built the plugin into there browser it might be worth it

So on the advice of Sam and others,
I wrote an e-mail to the principality of Sealand asking why they haven't applied for a TLD.

Got an interesting reply that yall might find interesting.




The Principality thanks you for your interest.

Although such an issue may be seen by some as an important step forward, it
is in fact for us much lower on our National priority list than many other
tasks.

The pragmatic situation internationally is simply that following a rash of
applications to ICANN late in the last decade and early in this, that body
deferred to the ISO committee on State registration who in turn found
themselves unable properly to consider applications that were made; many
were from not States as such but rather 'nations'; that is, groups of
persons interested in using this mechanism to acquire intellectual property
for gain but without the requisite geographical and political independence
credibly to support a formal internationally-recognised and unique
designation.

The ISO committee therefore some 18 months ago closed its lists to all such
applications and is now referring all requests for international country
designation [and hence TLD assignments] in the first instance as requests to
the UN.

Before such requests are honoured by that body there must be demonstrated by
the applicant a bona fide case for international recognition; that is,
absolute sovereignty in Law, a completely separate geographical area not
part of or subject to the jurisdiction of any other State, and absolute
independence economically.

The Principality has been in discussion with the various international
bodies concerned with this matter for nearly a year; but the international
diplomatic and administrative machinery moves slowly. It does, however,
move unstoppably.

We hope this helps with your query and again thank you for your interest.


Chief of Bureau