what do you guys think?

the prices and packages offerred by both seem more than adequate to fit my needs and both in my pricerange.
is there a difference as far as the multidomain hosting they both offer?
I am aware that Avail has been discussed on the board before, but I can't seem to find anything on HTTPme.com exept that aussie bob is a nice guy.

thanks

From the httpme web site: "Check out the NAC datacenter where our servers are housed."

But yet a traceroute reveals they are with BurstNET. Probably an honest mistake, but still I'd be worried about that.

Originally posted by avara
From the httpme web site: "Check out the NAC datacenter where our servers are housed."

But yet a traceroute reveals they are with BurstNET. Probably an honest mistake, but still I'd be worried about that.

They could have servers at both and haven't had time to update that page.. you never know :-)

Originally posted by kdghsu


They could have servers at both and haven't had time to update that page.. you never know :-)

As I said, it's probably an honest mistake. :)

Current supply - burstNET. New supply NAC. :)

The new server at NAC is online and we are moving existing clients to that server this week. We are also not taking new orders until that is completed as per info on the HTTPme.com page. :)

I believe their new servers are at NAC. They're a good company with good support, you can't go wrong :)

Name: www.HTTPme.com
IP Address: 66.197.129.118
Location: 45.350N, 74.840W
Network: DNSVAULT.COM

Registrant Contact:
Robert Walker
Robert Walker (rob@httpme.com)
0746395684
FAX: 0746398612
117 Neil St
Toowoomba, Qld 4350
AU


DNSVAULT.COM (NETBLK-DNSVAULT994)
PO BOX 24059, LakefrontPO
Kelowna, BC v1y9p9
CA

Netname: DNSVAULT994
Netblock: 66.197.129.2 - 66.197.129.254

Coordinator:
wyss, marc (ZZ2987-ARIN) admin@dnsvault.com
2507071350

Record last updated on 19-Feb-2002.
Database last updated on 19-May-2002 19:58:40 EDT.

The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet
Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's.
Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related

Hence Marc said he believed the servers were at NAC... :)

Gary

Originally posted by Editor
Hence Marc said he believed the servers were at NAC... :)

Gary
They are not there yet, but getting there by the end of this week. As per information on the site. But thanks anyway. :)

EDIT - Let me rephrase that paragraph. All new accounts [there were about 6 that came through in the 1 day when the new server was online, before I decativated the order links yesterday] are on the NAC server. Existing clients will be moving over this week. The HTTPme.com site will also be moving then. :)

I sensed this one veering towards MCHost=HTTPme, and know that's not the case. You're not Marc Wyss are you Robert? Tell me you're a fair dinkum Aussie! ;)

Gary

Originally posted by Editor
I sensed this one veering towards MCHost=HTTPme, and know that's not the case. You're not Marc Wyss are you Robert? Tell me you're a fair dinkum Aussie! ;)

Gary
hehe. No Marc is not me. :laugh: I'm as Australian as a meat pie and a XXXX at the gabba watching the footy. :D

EDIT - "XXXX" is an Australian brand of beer. The "gabba" is a footy/cricket ground. A "footy" is a football. This concludes today's lesson in Australian culture. :D

lol I'm glad you qualified that statement! People would be thinking we're weird otherwise... ;)

Gary

:laugh:

Yes, and speaking of meat pies........... :)

Just like to put in my 2 cents, Aussie Bob is a very nice person, and I would have gone with httpme if not that I had problems with paysystems. (god knows why, must be because that i'm asian)

They have forums there where everyone there is in love with the service, you can go take a look. =P

The total number of clients that HTTPme.com will accept into its community will be 250. Once that is reached, basically the order page will be taken off line and we will focus on delivering to our valued clients the very best hosting experience available.

From the HTTPme web site.

I really wonder if this is real? From what people say about Rob, maybe he will be an honest person and will really live by his words. I see so many liars come here, maybe I am just skeptical.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord


From the HTTPme web site.

I really wonder if this is real? From what people say about Rob, maybe he will be an honest person and will really live by his words. I see so many liars come here, maybe I am just skeptical.
Nothing is ever set in stone. I started HTTPme.com to build a smallish community based around a hosting product. So simply put - gather 250 webmasters together and let's all build a collective and help each other succeed.

I'm not trying to conquer the hosting world or anything. Just trying to carve out a little place in the sun. 250 clients is enough for me. It's enough cashflow and enough hours working. But I am in no way held to those numbers. It's what I want to do right now. That might change down the track.

When I got married, the good wife and myself said we were only having 2 to 3 children. Now we have 5 [4, but we're expecting delivery of the 5th in about 4mths. I still consider that developing human as my child]. And if my wife gets her way [they always do], then we'll have 6. That's life I guess. :)

Originally posted by UmBillyCord


From the HTTPme web site.

I really wonder if this is real? From what people say about Rob, maybe he will be an honest person and will really live by his words. I see so many liars come here, maybe I am just skeptical.

I'm with you, here. I'm not just skeptical... I don't trust anyone that uses a marketing ploy like that. He stated in this thread that "it is not set in stone." Then, if he really intends to be honest, he needs to put that phrase on his website too. Otherwise, he is being deceptive and dishonest. BTW, lots of so-called "nice" people are dishonest. Always remember the cliche, "Actions speaks louder than words."

Originally posted by chrisb
I'm with you, here. I'm not just skeptical... I don't trust anyone that uses a marketing ploy like that. He stated in this thread that "it is not set in stone."
Nothing in life is set in stone. The older I get, the more that rings true. :)
Then, if he really intends to be honest, he needs to put that phrase on his website too.
heh. :rolleyes: No problems then. It's no big deal but if you really think it's neccessary, I'll add something along those lines. :)
Otherwise, he is being deceptive and dishonest. BTW, lots of so-called "nice" people are dishonest. Always remember the cliche, "Actions speaks louder than words."
And my actions have spoken what so far? Remember you said that "actions speak louder than words". You'll also notice that we've disconnected the order form at the moment while we sort out our existing clients with the plan/server upgrades. I'd say that ACTION is speaking volumes!! ;)

The total number of clients that HTTPme.com will accept into its community will be 250.

How can you say this isn't set in stone. This is flat out false advertisig and you yourself just admitted by saying "That might change down the track."

Hey guess what? "I have FREE WEBHSOTING for life!!! Join now." I don't really mean it, cause later it will change, but once I suckered people into this, who cares what they think?

Sorry, but you are telling people to join your 250 club. Those people will be holding you too it as that is what was advertised. How would you feel if you signed up somewhere thinking that the owner will limit customers and because of that should be able to keep great service/support, even when they are offering loss-leader type pricing?

Originally posted by UmBillyCord


How can you say this isn't set in stone. This is flat out false advertisig and you yourself just admitted by saying "That might change down the track."

Hey guess what? "I have FREE WEBHSOTING for life!!! Join now." I don't really mean it, cause later it will change, but once I suckered people into this, who cares what they think?

Sorry, but you are telling people to join your 250 club. Those people will be holding you too it as that is what was advertised. How would you feel if you signed up somewhere thinking that the owner will limit customers and because of that should be able to keep great service/support, even when they are offering loss-leader type pricing?
Point taken. I will make modifications to the site and inform all clients. But what is this - "loss-leader type pricing?" ??

You have your belief on web hosting as is apparnet in this thread. (PS - seems scripted ;))http://www.httpme.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=205

I have mine regarding host that offer everything for nothing. That is just my opinion.

Good luck with your company.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
[B]I have mine regarding host that offer everything for nothing.
No, folks have to pay for it. It's not like we sell $25/yr accounts with 20GB/mth transfer. Our cheapest monthly plan comes in at $5/GB. I certianly wouldn't call that "everything for nothing" :)
That is just my opinion.
True. Glad you cleared that up. Let's not confuse facts with opinions here hey?? ;)
Good luck with your company.
Thanks. Good luck with yours too. Thanks for your suggestions and feedback. I appreciate it. :)

"The selling of Web hosting on a domain by domain basis is really a scam that lines the pockets of the hosts." Rob????

We've had this discussion elsewhere I recall...but that's taking the whole "multiple domain" thing a bit far. Considering how often we see servers crippling under the strain of it.

Cheers

Gary

Originally posted by Editor
[B]"The selling of Web hosting on a domain by domain basis is really a scam that lines the pockets of the hosts." Rob????
:o: Ok. The "scam" part was not called for. I have removed that part. I just get a bit passionate at times and go too far. :)
We've had this discussion elsewhere I recall...but that's taking the whole "multiple domain" thing a bit far. Considering how often we see servers crippling under the strain of it.
???? I see servers crippling under the strain of servers with 1 site. What's your exact point here?

That's one website comment and a forum post you've edited within an hour mate. You need to think ahead, or be commited to what you say, before saying it. :) But the point I was making was the same as what we discussed recently at a.w.w. That reseller/multiple domain name hosting does not make per domain hosting redundant. It's a completely different ballgame.

To use that same thread of yours as an example...someone with 20 odd domains at $10.00 per month per domain, is having them hosted in a completely different environment than a $20/mth 500MB "squeeze them in" reseller plan. Both models have their place, but neither negates the other.

In both scenarios a poorly managed box will topple. But in the later, it happens all the more often.

Cheers

Gary

Originally posted by Editor
That's one website comment and a forum post you've edited within an hour mate.
If you could see my fingers on my keyboard, you would see smoke!! :D
You need to think ahead, or be commited to what you say, before saying it. :)
Yes. I am committed but sometimes look back and can admit in public that at that point in time, I made a mistake. Would you rather that I held my ground just for the sake of it, even if I know I was wrong? :)
But the point I was making was the same as what we discussed recently at a.w.w. That reseller/multiple domain name hosting does not make per domain hosting redundant. It's a completely different ballgame.
I don't see it as being made "redundant". However, I do see a huge demand for multiple domain style accounts. This will eat into the 1 domain at a time style hosting market. It has to come from somewhere and the multiple domain style plans will take their market share mostly from the 1 domain at a time hosts. The multiple domain plans will also produce more sites as folks can set up as many domains as they like as long as they keep inside their disk space and data transfer pre-purchased limits.

Folks that have 5 or 6 sites kicking around that don't use a heck of a lot of bandwidth and disk space [We both know how little most sites really use as far as bandwidth and disk space], so these folks can house all their domains inside 1 interface, rather than paying for them 1 at a time. It's a better deal for the consumer. They see 1 credit card transaction and not 5 or 6 from different hosts. Change is driven by demand and people who see the demand, then supply the demand.
To use that same thread of yours as an example...someone with 20 odd domains at $10.00 per month per domain, is having them hosted in a completely different environment than a $20/mth 500MB "squeeze them in" reseller plan. Both models have their place, but neither negates the other.
lol. I love the "squeeze them in" thing. As if that doesn't happen in the world of 1 domain at a time hosting. Where is the difference other than disk space and load on the server? Totally unfair of you to say that this only happens in the bulk style plans.
Both scenarios a poorly managed box will topple. But in the later, it happens all the more often.
"more often"?? Do you have hard data for that statement? Or do you just think that this is the case from your experiences? I don't know where you would find the data to quantify your statement. :)

But let's all do well. There's plenty to go around. :)

Your whole angle on this Rob, and has been all along, is that this is all new and exciting. And I've said before, it's not. There have been reseller networks around for years. Early last year there was nothing in the US that resembled the Donhost model and I remember posting something to that effect. I could have said the Web Central Mission Control Panel as well, but not too many would have been aware of what that was.

My point is, it's not new technology. It has just gotten more popular and naturally a lot more want a piece of it.

Cheers

Gary

Email me when you are ready and i will sign up, as this fits with what i want at the moment, 2 sites both low disk space and low bandwidth, and happy to support a fellow countryman.

cynic

Originally posted by Editor
My point is, it's not new technology. It has just gotten more popular and naturally a lot more want a piece of it.
Yep. My point exactly!! :)
Originally posted by Aussie Bob
I don't see it as being made "redundant". However, I do see a huge demand for multiple domain style accounts. This will eat into the 1 domain at a time style hosting market. It has to come from somewhere and the multiple domain style plans will take their market share mostly from the 1 domain at a time hosts. The multiple domain plans will also produce more sites as folks can set up as many domains as they like as long as they keep inside their disk space and data transfer pre-purchased limits.

Folks that have 5 or 6 sites kicking around that don't use a heck of a lot of bandwidth and disk space [We both know how little most sites really use as far as bandwidth and disk space], so these folks can house all their domains inside 1 interface, rather than paying for them 1 at a time. It's a better deal for the consumer. They see 1 credit card transaction and not 5 or 6 from different hosts. Change is driven by demand and people who see the demand, then supply the demand.

Hey Rob, I know you as an honest, hard working guy. If you modify your pages to make everyone happy, you will be too busy modifying them forever.... If anyone here has used your service, let them comment, not someone looking to start a flame thread.
To call into question your honesty when there has been nothing to remotely show you as being dishonest, and no one using your service has spoken against you, is total bull$hit..... You have shown remarkable restraint in your replies to some of these comments. But this is WHT after all... Good luck in your server move and continued growth :)

Originally posted by DrChaos
Hey Rob, I know you as an honest, hard working guy.
Thanks. You know, I don't really consider the hosting business hard work. I mean, I spent 13 years in the building industry. Working on a roof at 6:30am in the morning in the middle of winter with a howling 35 knot wind blowing is what I call hard work. :bawling: :D
If you modify your pages to make everyone happy, you will be too busy modifying them forever.... If anyone here has used your service, let them comment, not someone looking to start a flame thread.
I love the negative comments. I don't take them personally and use them to better the site and my offering. If anyone's looking for negative constructive comments, then WHT is the right place!! :D
To call into question your honesty when there has been nothing to remotely show you as being dishonest, and no one using your service has spoken against you, is total bull$hit.....
I do see their points though and have made the appropriate changes etc. It's the never ending process of improvement and using variables like that to improve from etc..
You have shown remarkable restraint in your replies to some of these comments.
The master of that is kiwi. He's very professional and holds his own without offending anyone.
But this is WHT after all... Good luck in your server move and continued growth :)
Thanks DrChaos. :)

Originally posted by Aussie Bob
a howling 35 knot wind blowing

You chose to live out there...in Queensland's equivalent to Ballarat in Victoria. :-)

Gary

Originally posted by DrChaos
Hey Rob, I know you as an honest, hard working guy. If you modify your pages to make everyone happy, you will be too busy modifying them forever.... If anyone here has used your service, let them comment, not someone looking to start a flame thread.
To call into question your honesty when there has been nothing to remotely show you as being dishonest, and no one using your service has spoken against you, is total bull$hit..... You have shown remarkable restraint in your replies to some of these comments. But this is WHT after all... Good luck in your server move and continued growth :)

Huh? I do not think anyone here is trying to start a flame war. Rob made the statement that he had posted on his webhosting site that it would be "limited to only 250 customers". That gives people the false impression that the servers will never be too crowded, support will not be too busy, etc.

Then, Rob stated "it is not set in stone". Well then, why put it there in the first place? I commend Rob for changing it and doing the right thing.

Originally posted by Editor


You chose to live out there...in Queensland's equivalent to Ballarat in Victoria. :-)

Gary
Brrrrrr :( Yep. The office air conditioner has been working overtime trying to heat up the office. Maybe I'll move a wood fire in there or something in the next few days. :D

Originally posted by chrisb
I commend Rob for changing it and doing the right thing.
My philosophy is, that if you mess up, fix it, admit it and make things right rather than wallowing in self pride and arrogance. :)